I would just like to say again that this is the best change ever, please keep it as is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdQRyRZur8U

I might need a new pair of pants after watching this..

The way I read it, warps will be a bit slower on short hops,

but noticeably faster on those (currently really annoying) 100-200AU warps.

Those will continue to work in the same way as before, but will now be useful since the attribute they affect will also affect acceleration.

This kind of thing is very possible, we're playing around with a bunch of options now.

IRL battleships move at pitifully slow speeds compared to their smaller, lighter armored/armored counterparts. I don't see what people are complaining about.

Seriously, this will entirely change the way pvp works, best change ever.

It is definitely an increase in their average warp times, which is intentional. But it's not back breaking and I believe that it's quite well balanced in relation to their massive cargoholds. For trips where faster warp speeds are needed, people always have the choice of taking smaller volumes in something like an industrial or DST.

So no, this is not backbreaking, but it's also not necessary, and a quality of life nerf that appears to have no good reason to do other then "hey we have this nifty formula we wanna use"

does that chart say it will take 69seconds to warp a non plated BS 50au?

And no you can't just fly an indy.
It's kinda a big jump between 45km3 and 950k

It is definitely an increase in their average warp times, which is intentional. But it's not back breaking and I believe that it's quite well balanced in relation to their massive cargoholds.

Here is the thing. You are correct, it is not backbreaking, but it is another kick in the gut to a profession that has been repeatedly discounted for years.

Most freighter pilots have given up on any improvements since you introduced t3 battlecruisers, and made ganking of them so cheap, that you have to fly tiny repetitive loads to move any amount of product, even thru hi-sec. No their really is not a viable way to defend them that is FUN. So to hell with it, we all fly thru space with less then 100k m3 of stuff staying under 1.5b value, afk from our keyboards. All this is doing is further reinforcing us to do all our freighter runs afk.


You don't give freighter pilots the option of fitting their ships in any way. Eve is a game of choices, of give and take, unless you fly a freighter. (or a shuttle). They are the only ship in the game where you take all the choice out of the players hand and FORCE them to either bore 10 of their friends escorting, bore 1 of their friends webbing, or fly afk.

So no, this is not backbreaking, but it's also not necessary, and a quality of life nerf that appears to have no good reason to do other then "hey we have this nifty formula we wanna use"

And no you can't just fly an indy.
It's kinda a big jump between 45km3 and 950k

Complaining about the fact that the ship designed to carry the most cargo in the game is painfully slow is kind of silly in my opinion.

I am not crying they are painfully slow. I am crying that they are being made SLOWER for no valid reason.

Was SOMEONE complaining that they were too fast?
Was someone organizing freighter races and I missed it?


I don't know anyone advocating they be given frigate level agility, but their is no reason to nerf them at this point. If they are adding slots and rigs to them, then certainly I'd understand nerfing their base level stats down, but this is not the case.

The miners isn't as much of an issue as the hauler, any mid sized to large scale mining operation use freighters and rorq/orcas for hauling ore. Which incidently became alot more dangerous in the patch when grav sites can be scanned down with the normal system scanner.

Now you get a ceptor that can blitz through systems in seconds, open up system scanner and warp to the grave site, and ontop of that, the freighters and rorqs/orcas are even slower. It already takes a freighter some where between 2-3 mins from it enters warp from the station / Pos until it lands on the grav site and have aligned out. Even if you have a scout next door you have no chance of saving the freighter when a ceptor can fly trough how many systems in 3 mins? And you can't even bubble the gates to slow it down..

I am not saying the warp speed changes are a bad idea, but if this is to be implemented without completely rendering null sec mining useless you have to do some adjustments to mining.

I would suggest making it so you have to scan down grav sites again and possibly increasing the ore bay on the orca / rorqual to lessen their exposure and maybe giving them a sensor strenght bonus so they can't be scanned down that easily when they are in the grav.

Some of you folks seem to think that large gangs of interceptors are going to be running amok, completely unhindered, ganking every miner and ratter, lighting off cynos everywhere, and generally ruining the game.

Don't be so silly.

The obvious counter to a gang of 5 or 20 or 50 interceptors is.... wait for it... another gang of interceptors.

The second gang doesn't even need to be fit to kill the first gang by themselves. They just need to pursue the first gang. If they catch the first gang, they only need to tackle them long enough for a backup gang of dessies to arrive and pop 'em. And, even if they don't catch them, the first gang is going to be spending most of their time running, and not doing much of anything else.