ok, engage them.... easy to say but, why will any of those gangs fight if they don't want to? except bringing your own inty gang, you won't be really able to force them to fight you; they will pick their fights, and if not they will just buzz around/leave, you won't be really able to stop them;

I can tell you don't get it. t2 large bubbles have a 40km radius. From end to end, they're 40km wide.

Carpet bombing a border zone because illegal immigrants are trying to cross .. wonder how that would play out in reality
Hint: It is not a counter but rather an indiscriminate area denial that affects everyone and not just the interceptors.

You are right however that they can be killed once they engage, but think about it .. actually don't bother, just read up on the Dramiel discussions as the similarities are too many to count. Biggest difference between the two is that the Dramiel was broken everywhere whereas the Interceptors will be so primarily in null.
Between basic agility/speed, new warp speeds, more tank/dps and nullification the Interceptors are looking like they will be even worse for the calm in the null sheep herds than the much pricier Dramiel ever was and we all know where that went (hint: Dodo's).

Here's another brainfart:
Anchorable eWar relay.
- Similar to anchorable bubbles but with next to no EHP. Any secondary eWar type (TP, Damp, TD, Neut) that is projected onto the unit is translated throughout the sphere of influence. First come first serve, only one effect at a time and no overlapping fields possible.
For example: An Inty gang is reported and a Large (26km) eWar relay is deployed in their path. One of the new 30km Sentinels can now neut the relay and thus apply neutralization to the entire sphere, preventing Inty gang from warping if timed right while staying clear of effect itself ...

Cat has plenty of skin left, lets experiment with how best to get its stuffz!

Dramiel was OP because of the tank close to AF and the speed and agility of an interceptor, on top of dual prop (and good dps with projection to top it off). These interceptors are not even close to what the dramiel was.

I can tell you don't get it. t2 large bubbles have a 40km radius. From end to end, they're 40km wide. When you anchor a mobile bubble, it'll do a check from the center of the bubble to the gate, not the furthest edge. This leaves 20km around the gate in all directions that are not overlapped by a bubble. T2 large bubbles don't have an 80km radius, which is what you seem to think with your little "something something" garbage.

I really shouldn't have to explain this, it's not that hard of a concept.



Happens all the time. You drop bubbles behind you, create separation from the main part of the gang, gank any of their light tackle who have gotten too far ahead of their gang. Once ganked a 'dictor and two inties that had gotten five jumps ahead of their gang. At that point, you have enough time to drop aggression and continue running before the main thrust of the gang catches up to you.

Nullified interceptors, for the 1000th time, break this. They go through your 'dictor bubbles while you run to make sure you don't get more than a jump of separation from the main blob. Means that any small gang FC is a dope if he doesn't simply run combat interceptor only gangs. Terrible breaking of the small gang meta for people who like to FC balanced small gangs into null. Pointless too, as nullification is a terrible mechanic compared to simply dealing with bubble bunkers directly.

This is true, but that does not make nullification a good game mechanic.

For once, large T2 bubbles got 40km radius and 80km diameter. Finally got where your issues are.

Please, how bad are you to die to a small group of interceptors with a 5-10man gang (dying as in you cannot make use of the now even longer gap between light tackle landing and fleet landing to dispose of those ceptors)

If there is anything ruining your apparently daily hercules attempts of taking on 30man gangs with 5man fleet, then it is the general warpspeed dynamics that are changing, but not wether or not ceptors got to burn for 4 seconds.

The problem is keeping interceptors from jumping straight into you during your run which is where the 5-10 seconds you get from 'dictor bubbles saves your ass.

I'm still not getting it. Aren't the interceptors just overtaking your gang in warp and then just sitting at your outgate as you land?

Dramiel was OP because of the tank close to AF and the speed and agility of an interceptor, on top of dual prop (and good dps with projection to top it off). These interceptors are not even close to what the dramiel was.

Bubble immunity is drastic change. Fun, but drastic. It was real challenge to kill interceptor crashing back to gate. Now they are cut loose.

Imagine 20-50-150 intie roaming gangs will be a norm. Anyone who think inties dont have DPS take a look at crusader or claw. Hint: They designed not to tackle, but to kill, outside of smartbomb range (only taranis need to go in close).

Only few in fleet will need MWD - to establish initial tackle, rest can go with AB+max damage, no need to move really fast when you immune to bubbles and can bounce off planet/back to fleet in 20 seconds.

With mix on EWAR fitted on some of those ceptors, they can easily jam/damp/TD/kill even carriers. They can easily cut their losses and escape back to where they came from, at any time. Hard to probe down, fast as lightning, and has built-in Tech3 subsystem. Has both DPS and tackling variations. Easy to find/pick your ganks (no fights, they will easily escape from those, so no losses, or just few ones).
No other ship class provides that functionality (and at what price!), so inties will be OP for nullsec roaming, no questions here.

If you decide to wreck stuff up a bit more, bring boosting loki (warps kinda slower, but still immune to bubbles (same Tech3 as inties lol)). Now those EWAR inties can mow down even hurricanes and cynabals (hint: they have trouble tracking stuff once scrammed, even without EWAR applied).

The only thing i waiting from this thread is a counter for that madness.
This is sandbox, right?
There supposed to be a counter, right? RIGHT?

Other than my pathetic mixing up of radius and diameter, no, t2 large bubbles do not have a 80km warp scramble range. They have a 40km warp scramble range. Not from the center, but across. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mobile_Large_Warp_Disruptor_II

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So what's he saying here, that a T2 large bubble of 80km diameter has 20 km radius from the centre that actually works surrounded by a 20 km radius that doesn't work ?

I wish he'd actually explain to me why his gang won't just get overtaken in warp by these interceptors.

Because you're not in the same system when your scout sees the giant gang blocking your path. Scout = at least one jump ahead.

Sure, if you're not using a scout or a giant blob comes through a JB into the system you're in, then it makes no difference. But anyone with a brain uses a scout and typically you have forewarning of a spike into your transit system.

Dropping bubbles behind you, even with the warp speed changes, gives you at least double the time to create separation from a giant blobs pack of interceptors.

I wish one of the "OMG INTERCEPTORS GETTING NULLIFICATION! GREAT!" people would answer why it's better to have nullification on interceptors rather than dealing with the bubble bunker problem directly. Restricting the size of anchored bubbles and removing the ability to anchor them within 50km of a gate would do far more to open up null-sec than creating one ungankable class of ship. No more passive camps on regional gates, no more giant bubble spam.

If t2 large mobile bubbles have an 80km scramble range, then that's ******* stupid. I don't use anchored bubbles outside of small drags. The Wiki says that t2 large mobiles have a 40km range, figured that meant a 40km diameter with a 20km radius.

Travelling null in an interceptor was never that risky to begin with... I don't actually think the warp bubble immunity will change much. The real game changer will be the warp acceleration changes. Otherwise this interceptor rebalance is rather bad and there are clear winners (i.e. malediction, crow, stiletto) that will leave the rest relatively unused by comparison other than for some novelty factor. I had hoped one of the goals of the rebalancing was to make all the interceptors viable again.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, no interceptor should have 2 mids. It's stupid. Especially considering the inties with more than two mids are the ones with decent kiting capacity and the ones with 2 mids have virtually no kiting capacity. I also don't understand why they have shorter lock ranges than a lot of the t1 frigs. Most t1 frigs if fitted right and flown right will roflpwn even these "buffed" interceptors, so I would expect if they aren't specialising in combat, they should at least be specialising in tackling right? So what's up with the lock ranges?