this doesn't work anymore for the reason he explained: the server tick.

i do have, among other ships, a stiletto with 3k+ scan res, and back to a year and half ago, i was able to catch intys and pods on gates(low and high) around 50% of the time.

then an update hit, and this doesn't work anymore, a slight delay have been introduced somewhere, with the result being i'm able to lock but the point never apply.

and NO, this is nothing to do with wcs:

1- happen on pods / shuttles
2- happen with hictor + infini point

there is, 100% of the time, a 1 sec delay between the end of the lock and the module activation, so if the tgt warp during this time, you succesfully lock but that's all, even if you preactivated the point.
sometime, it even more weird, point is activated on your screen but not on server or tgt, so he warp, but event is registered and you still take the various consequences of the point, like gate guns / timers etc...

all this just because of the 1Hz server tick, wich is clearly not fast enought when it comes to interceptions of fast ships

it's being reported but as usual, ccp ignore this broken mechanic, now we will have fun, because with the reduced landing time on fast ships like inty, you will see inty / hictors just pop out of nowhere on grid with you, being already bubbled / pointed, du to the very same problem with server tick.

i tested it, was on grid with point on a BS while on the BS screen, i was not even on grid yet and just magically appeared a split second later, with point already established.

another fun behaviour due to this is that if you try decloacking someone, with a ship doing 4k+ m/s or more (like a dram or inty), you will sometime pass throught it without decloacking, because at "t" you are at 2k+ from him, and at "t+1" you are at 2k+ on the opposite side (t being server tick), so server side, you never entered the 2k radius required to decloack him, even if technically, you went throught (same goes for bumping indeed).

test yourself, take a fast ship (4k+ m/s), and just repeatedly go right in a station (full speed indeed).

sometimes, you will be able to enter very deep before being bumped back: that is because the server tick were too slow to register the "impact" of you vs station, and did it next tick, allowing you to go farther inside the collision model

another test can be done too:

take 2 ships and repetedly lock it (be sure nothing change on him like sig radius, and on you like scan res)

now lock / unlock 20-50 times and record the time required for each attempt:

there will be +-2 sec variations, because of the server ticks sometimes being right on time, sometimes not.

needless to say the impact is huge when it comes to catch things that can warp in 1.5-2 sec....

these are just a few, there is probably a lot of other cases where it can be noticed, these are just the one i've found myself and being able to reproduce easily, and have reproduced by others.

also i do have a very good connection, with 16-20 ms ping, so not my connection to blame

If t2 large mobile bubbles have an 80km scramble range, then that's ******* stupid. I don't use anchored bubbles outside of small drags. The Wiki says that t2 large mobiles have a 40km range, figured that meant a 40km diameter with a 20km radius.



Because you're not in the same system when your scout sees the giant gang blocking your path. Scout = at least one jump ahead.

Sure, if you're not using a scout or a giant blob comes through a JB into the system you're in, then it makes no difference. But anyone with a brain uses a scout and typically you have forewarning of a spike into your transit system. Dropping bubbles behind you, even with the warp speed changes, gives you at least double the time to create separation from a giant blobs pack of interceptors.

I wish one of the "OMG INTERCEPTORS GETTING NULLIFICATION! GREAT!" people would answer why it's better to have nullification on interceptors rather than dealing with the bubble bunker problem directly. Restricting the size of anchored bubbles and removing the ability to anchor them within 50km of a gate would do far more to open up null-sec than creating one ungankable class of ship. No more passive camps on regional gates, no more giant bubble spam.

Instead, we get a half-assed solution that creates far more issues than it solves.

Are people really that excited about creating another form of risk free travel in Eve? Is that what this game needs?

EVE would really benefit from a 2hz tick rate....so many areas of the game would feel much smoother...

You would also effectively cut the pop cap in every system in two as you double the strain on the server.

doubleing the Hz doesn't double the strain on the servers, it is proportional to the activity in the system if anything

Every race now gets a missile interceptor, except Minmatar. And it's one of our primary weapon systems.

Come on, Missile or Rocket Claw. 2 Mids wouldn't be so bad then. You could still stick a 400mm plate on there if you wished, just blap with rockets, rather than guns.

Rocket claw would definitely need three mids. Not going to happen apparently. If you need a scram/ web inty or a low sig punk frig you'll still be better off flying a slasher or stilletto.

doubleing the Hz doesn't double the strain on the servers, it is proportional to the activity in the system if anything

Every race now gets a missile interceptor, except Minmatar. And it's one of our primary weapon systems.

Come on, Missile or Rocket Claw. 2 Mids wouldn't be so bad then. You could still stick a 400mm plate on there if you wished, just blap with rockets, rather than guns.

Other than my pathetic mixing up of radius and diameter, no, t2 large bubbles do not have a 80km warp scramble range. They have a 40km warp scramble range. Not from the center, but across. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mobile_Large_Warp_Disruptor_II



Reading is fundamental. Nobody said anything about losing a gang to a gang of interceptors. The problem is when you're roaming, killing ratters, and the usual home defense blob of 30+ pops up on your radar. It's run time. You run. You drop bubbles behind you to create separation. You gank any of their light tackle that gets too far ahead when you've cleared 3-4 jumps, you drop aggression, you keep running.

Nullification breaks this because now dropping 'DIC bubbles means nothing in terms of creating 3-4 jumps of separation before you can aggress, wait out aggression, and then continue to run. Instead of creating separation, you get no separation and you're stuck in a system with aggression as the 30+ duders behind the interceptor cover your in and out gates. Then it's bouncing safe times and loggoffski.



Reading, again, fundamental. The argument isn't that nullified interceptors break your ability to "take on 30 man gangs with 5 man fleet", but that it breaks your only tool to create separation from those gangs, the 'dictor bubble. The warp speed changes don't really hurt you that badly, since it means that the interceptors will simply get way ahead of their gang. The problem is keeping interceptors from jumping straight into you during your run which is where the 5-10 seconds you get from 'dictor bubbles saves your ass.

Losing the one avenue we had to create separation from home defense blobs means the small gang meta in null-sec is dead. All hail easymode 5-10 combat interceptor gangs ganking ratters and being able to safely run from any gang composition that is thrown against them.

Wait... Are you telling me that interceptors will "Intercept" - You don't say....

Now the following will probably sound slightly hostile at times. Sorry about that, at least i liked the warp changes?

I hate just about everything here.. I don't even know where to begin.

Crusader has 2 midlots ergo it is **** no matter what else it does. Its like a ****** slicer with no range (And i'm pretty sure that even with the tracking bonus it still doesn't track as well as blasters.. and does less damage.. Why is scorch still the only thing lasers are good for?)

Maledictionnot absolutely awful but fittings are still a lot too tight if you want to actually fit a tank on it. There is a difference between meaningful fitting choices and needing to gimp the damn thing.

Raptor, 3 mids and shield tanking.. So either i don't fit a web.. Or i don't fit a tank? Great, that basically means that this will be a kiter 100% of the time. Well that is if you ignore the fact that ALL lml ships are better at kiting than this.

Crow Well i'm glad to see you're finally accepting that utility high slots are the worst slots.

Taranis fittings are still pretty awful.. I don't really see a point in the slight HP nerf seeing how its hardly overpowered as it is.

AresWhat the flying ****? like, i don't even know what to say... Why? like.. i don't even know... lml Ares... i hate this idea ALMOST as much as i hated t2 res marauders... Just.. Don't do this, its awful.. Also 30 powergrid.. I have a saved fit that has 0.5pg left over without any guns and a ******* festival launcher.. Just.. What the ****?

Claw Ok are you just ******* with me now? The claw.. a ship that gets bonuses to AC's.. has 45 PWG? So.. The Ares.. that uses blasters... where the smallest ones use 4 pg.. has 30.. But this.. that can use AC's that require 1 god damn powergrid has 45? No, this is not ok. You can't just give AC fitted minmatar INFINTE fittings so that they can use artillery.. Decrease the ******* stupid fitting gap between Arties and AC's so that a ship can fit Arties without having ALL the fittings with AC's

A Claw with a full rack of 200's will have 40 pg left over... meaning that with minor fitting implants you could fit a full rack of AC's.. and a 400mm plate.. Yes having only 2 midslots is terrible but unlike the Crusader this will actually have GOOD tracking.

(for those who are interested a Taranis with a full rack of neutrons has around 19.5 pg left over.. less than 50% of what the Claw will have.. And the Ares has even LESS.. I have no words.. really..)

Stiletto4 mids, still probably the best of the bunch when it comes to the general role of being an interceptor and it even has sensible fittings. I have no real problems with this one.

GREAT CHANGES!

I absolutely love how you guys are giving Roden ships selectable missile or turret damage, and these will perform in much the same way a few Minmatar fleet ships will.

+1

Except 2 gun slots and 1 missile slot is not "selectable missile or turret damage". It is the same split system as before with a lost bonus.

hmm, ppl are still thinking about intys like solo ships;
maybe i'm wrong, but i think that after this rebalance intys will become one of the most used ships in roamig gangs: so if you have a pack of this things in a gang there is no need for all of them to have both scram and web fitted

Fozzie needs to move a high to a mid on all ships considering they are tackle ships shouldn't the emphasis be on tackle not dps you could always give them double damage bonuses to compensate the dps loss...

Not Intie pilot yet, but here are my comments -how I see the ballanced solution.

Fleet interceptors - should be able to fit for speed and scan res with long points and kite till fleet arrives (which means puny dps, mid and low slots and higher scan res).

Combat inties - should be able to fit either brawl or kite setups with better tank then their t1 cousins and higher base speed + high agility. Solution can be either in HP buff or t2 res.

Sig radius is stupidly high now (AFs are better with lvl 4 skills).

I am just comparing them to AFs and t1 frigs and they really should be able to get on their t1 counterparts (at least in their combat variants).

Nullification and warp speed changes are nice, but I would keep them just for the fleet ceptors (to keep the ballance).

no slots are fine as they are

Update for you all:

We're doing a pivot on the plan for Roden shipyards, gonna go a little less ambitious with the design. This means changes to the Ares, although the core role isn't any different. I think the more traditional split weapons systems can still work as a niche playstyle, but it appears putting it on commonly used ships (even ships that don't use their weapons for their core role) was causing a bit too much discomfort. We'll be keeping an eye out for a more appropriate place to reintroduce them later.

The new Roden philosophy is pure hybrid turret, no more mixed weapons and less reliance on drones than Duvolle and (obviously) CreoDron.
The bonuses will skew towards railguns (but work fine with blasters as well), and will tend to be Optimal, Tracking, and Damage. Roden will keep its pattern of fewer mids and more lows than the Gallente average, and above average armor HP. We'll also be giving them a bit more than the average lockrange for Gallente ships, to go along with the optimal bonuses.

Gallente Frigate Bonuses:
10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range per level
7.5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret tracking per level

Interceptors Bonuses:
15% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty per level
5% bonus to Warp Scrambler and Warp Disruptor range per level

Turrets: 3 (+1)
Launchers: 1 (-1)
Powergrid: 33 (+3)
CPU: 145 (-5)

OP has been updated.

We'll also be giving them a bit more than the average lockrange for Gallente ships, to go along with the optimal bonuses.