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Maximus Andendare Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 717	Posted - 2013.10.28 15:57:00 - [421] - Quote It doesn't particularly make a lot of sense that you've moved these ships away from speed and toward survivability. Their purpose is to interdict and obstruct fleet movements with bubbles. Having a faster warp speed (even at the cost of ehp) was more in line with this philosophy. Increasing ehp? I mean, come on, let's think about this: these things are destroyers. They're not going to survive. If you want something tanky to hold a bubble, use a HIC. These differentiated themselves as quick bubble platforms (capable of overtaking even a small, fast frigate fleet), and they excelled at this much more. Now, they're "tanky" (what?) destroyers that are as slow as T2 frigates. edit: Additionally, it feels like this latest round of changes moves the ship away from "specialization." If the community really wants a tanky T2 destroyer, then make another line of real tanky destroyers from the newest ones that is just that: an actual tanky T2 destroyer made to destroy things. Don't shoehorn these specialized fleet interdicting ships into that role as well. Step onto the battlefield, and you're already dead, born again at the end of the battle to live on and fight another day. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4391	Posted - 2013.10.28 15:57:00 - [422] - Quote No shout out?... .
Dunk Dinkle Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 7	Posted - 2013.10.28 15:57:00 - [423] - Quote Interesting! Good: Won't get asked to fit double bubbles anymore! Might be able to squeeze in a scan probe launcher! One low on Flycatcher continues to make Caldari pilots cry! Confusing: People try to shoot things with dictors? People think dictors survive a big fight? No matter what changes, I'll still get told to fly a Sabre.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 103	Posted - 2013.10.28 15:59:00 - [424] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Magazine terminology corrected. :) You've missed a great opportunity here -- namely, to call it "clipazine" and make the spergs on both side of the aisle angry. In all seriousness, though, this is a very good change, especially to the interdiction sphere launcher. Too many times I've been sitting on a gatecamp, twiddling my thumbs, waiting for the sphere launcher to come off cooldown so I can ensure that a pod does not escape. The ASB-style reload mechanic means I don't have to wait any more. One question -- can the new interdiction sphere launcher reload while cloaked? Having to hang out uncloaked on grid for a full minute, especially in a large fleet fight, would be darn near suicidal for the dictor, and just plain inconvenient otherwise. It's not a huge thing, but if it's possible, it'd be much appreciated. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Flying Apocalypse 9	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:00:00 - [425] - Quote Question about their description: Can fit Interdiction Sphere Launchers Shouldn't the be Launcher? Seeing how they can only fit 1 not multiple?(Same with marauders and bastion) For some reason I can't delete my signature o.o

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 7938	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:02:00 - [426] - Quote Querns wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Magazine terminology corrected. :) You've missed a great opportunity here -- namely, to call it "clipazine" and make the spergs on both side of the aisle angry. In all seriousness, though, this is a very good change, especially to the interdiction sphere launcher. Too many times I've been sitting on a gatecamp, twiddling my thumbs, waiting for the sphere launcher to come off cooldown so I can ensure that a pod does not escape. The ASB-style reload mechanic means I don't have to wait any more. One question -- can the new interdiction sphere launcher reload while cloaked? Having to hang out uncloaked on grid for a full minute, especially in a large fleet fight, would be darn near suicidal for the dictor, and just plain inconvenient otherwise. It's not a huge thing, but if it's possible, it'd be much appreciated. It can't reload while cloaked. This is probably the part of the change that will have the most disruptive effect on current dictor tactics. However with the new resists and bonus pilots may choose to keep shooting while reloading and warping away and back is also always an option. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4391	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:02:00 - [427] - Quote Querns wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Magazine terminology corrected. :) You've missed a great opportunity here -- namely, to call it "clipazine" and make the spergs on both side of the aisle angry. In all seriousness, though, this is a very good change, especially to the interdiction sphere launcher. Too many times I've been sitting on a gatecamp, twiddling my thumbs, waiting for the sphere launcher to come off cooldown so I can ensure that a pod does not escape. The ASB-style reload mechanic means I don't have to wait any more. One question -- can the new interdiction sphere launcher reload while cloaked? Having to hang out uncloaked on grid for a full minute, especially in a large fleet fight, would be darn near suicidal for the dictor, and just plain inconvenient otherwise. It's not a huge thing, but if it's possible, it'd be much appreciated. While reloading, take the opportunity to blow up some enemy frigates and support like a boss. .
Warn1nG Soul Rionnag Alba Triumvirate. 3	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:06:00 - [428] - Quote Just Awesome, thanks for the SigRadius bonus CCP, finally, I wait for 6 years to fly Dictors, now I start training for them ;) "Vince Draken > gonna carry neuts just incase i come accross you" <------ Now you gonna need carry a Micro Jump Drive !!
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 103	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:10:00 - [429] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: It can't reload while cloaked. This is probably the part of the change that will have the most disruptive effect on current dictor tactics. However with the new resists and bonus pilots may choose to keep shooting while reloading and warping away and back is also always an option. Hrm, that is gonna make things different then, yeah. The numbers are fairly well tuned, though. I guess it's easier just to adapt. Thanks for the information :) This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 130	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:14:00 - [430] - Quote RIP flying coffins. You will not be missed. I, for one, welcome our new combat interdictor overlords.

MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1437	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:19:00 - [431] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: No shout out?... technically i was first https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3740749#post3740749 There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Forlorn Wongraven Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 94	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:27:00 - [432] - Quote My neutral prober will have Heretic 4 when Rubicon hits TQ. RIP any fleet. Shadoo > whoever was the first nyx on grid Shadoo > THANK GOD YOU ARE A SMART MAN and fitted the best tank in PL Shadoo > (ie. cyno)
Johan March GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 65	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:27:00 - [433] - Quote The version 2 pass is much better; especially the changes to the bubble launcher mechanics and survivability. Good job CCP.
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2058	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:34:00 - [434] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: No shout out?... Your head is inflated enough from this as it is. If he gave you a shoutout, it'd probably explode and there'd be bits of bone and brain all over the place. Oops wait, no, only bone. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 103	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:38:00 - [435] - Quote Oh -- one other thing -- could I request that, in some future release, that the UI be tweaked to show a reload timer on guns and other reloadables like the ASB and the new interdiction sphere launcher? One of the things I hate about the current interdiction sphere launcher is there was no way to tell when it was ready to launch a new bubble. The new one won't really have this problem, but the reload timer is long enough that some sort of visual indicator of its reload progress would be appreciated. You could display it like the gun cycle timer -- a circle that slowly gets drawn around the outside of the module's icon to indicate reloading progress. Maybe make it a different color than the gun cycle timer, and have it draw counterclockwise (compared to the clockwise action of the gun cycle timer.) This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Ben Kerensky GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:40:00 - [436] - Quote I'm loving these changes; I do have a consideration for you! As the Flycatcher's weapons specialty is missile/rocket bonuses, have you considered changing the model for the Flycatcher from the Cormorant's to the Corax's to suit? You'd have to divert a little development pizza, cookies, and soda to the Art team to get the model re-painted in blue and grimdark, but I think a lot of people would fly a Bubble Submarine on aesthetic principle alone, pending rebalance aside... Quote: No matter what changes, I'll still get told to fly a Sabre. ^ Ahaha
Marian Devers Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities 28	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:50:00 - [437] - Quote Wow. So the moment someone noticed that the Heretic is actually, you know, better than the Sabre in certain scenarios, you nerf it and buff the Sabre. Also, congrats on listening to the most idiotic suggestions. Launch 3 probes in rapid succession? Why would you ever need to do that - launching two is already suicide. One interdiction sphere per ship - do you really think that all of a sudden fleet interdictors will fit guns/scram? They won't - because at the end of the day all of it remains useless. The only thing you can bet on is that now fleets will have to have double the amount of interdictors... Slow warp speed? I don't think you understand that an Interdictor needs that warp speed advantage to do its job. MWD bonus? Yay - CCP has no idea what to do, and is handing out overpowered bonus' left and right. Good luck killing a Sabre with a well-timed bomb. It shall now join the ranks of AF immunity wise. Roll back the changes. V1 was okay - the only thing that needed to be fixed was the Eris, by giving it more CPU. Everything else was reasonably buffed. And please stop listening to people that have never flown the ship.
Utremi Fasolasi The Scope Gallente Federation 292	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:51:00 - [438] - Quote I don't get this trend with Roden ships away from missiles. There's reasons for them having missiles implied in PF and COSMOS, ie clandestine links to Caldari corps, and we have Duvolle for hybrid weapons. Creodron covers drone ships of course. The Roden ships should have bonuses for Thermal missiles which is a niche no other ships have in the game other than the Nemesis. Please don't gut the backstory to make Roden ships into something Duvolle Labs could have done..
XvXTeacherVxV S.E.N.T.I.N.E.L. 43	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:58:00 - [439] - Quote Updated changes are great. These are actually ships now instead of "coffins" as Fozzie put it. EVE Forums need a button right next to "like" that says "you need to calm your silly self down."Can you see the rapier??-áhttp://imgur.com/aFelCpv,GH6lqDE
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 105	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:58:00 - [440] - Quote Marian Devers wrote: Wow. So the moment someone noticed that the Heretic is actually, you know, better than the Sabre in certain scenarios, you nerf it and buff the Sabre. Also, congrats on listening to the most idiotic suggestions. Launch 3 probes in rapid succession? Why would you ever need to do that - launching two is already suicide. One interdiction sphere per ship - do you really think that all of a sudden fleet interdictors will fit guns/scram? They won't - because at the end of the day all of it remains useless. The only thing you can bet on is that now fleets will have to have double the amount of interdictors... Slow warp speed? I don't think you understand that an Interdictor needs that warp speed advantage to do its job. MWD bonus? Yay - CCP has no idea what to do, and is handing out overpowered bonus' left and right. Good luck killing a Sabre with a well-timed bomb. It shall now join the ranks of AF immunity wise. Roll back the changes. V1 was okay - the only thing that needed to be fixed was the Eris, by giving it more CPU. Everything else was reasonably buffed. And please stop listening to people that have never flown the ship. Wow. Just, wow. So, rather than being able to launch 2-3 bubbles in quick succession, you'd prefer to horribly gimp your fit to logjam two bubble launchers onto a dictor? 100 extra CPU makes fitting a tank a whole lot easier! The new interdiction sphere launcher proposed is qualitatively better than the current model in nearly every single way. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

gascanu Bearing Srl. 47	Posted - 2013.10.28 16:59:00 - [441] - Quote why do they have a bigger sig radius than t1 destroiers? in fact, why do they have a bigger sig radius than some CRUISERS? really, do you think thise ships will have any chance to survive a fleet battle? was looking forward to fly them again, looks that won't happen....
Marian Devers Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities 29	Posted - 2013.10.28 17:02:00 - [442] - Quote Querns wrote: Wow. Just, wow. So, rather than being able to launch 2-3 bubbles in quick succession, you'd prefer to horribly gimp your fit to logjam two bubble launchers onto a dictor? 100 extra CPU makes fitting a tank a whole lot easier! The new interdiction sphere launcher proposed is qualitatively better than the current model in nearly every single way. Go back to ratting you clueless noob, there's a reason every single dictor fits 2x interdiction sphere launchers. If you haven't figured out why that means you've never flown an Interdictor. In which case, why are you posting?
Drew Li Space Exploitation Inc Get Off My Lawn 48	Posted - 2013.10.28 17:06:00 - [443] - Quote Can there be a new T2 launcher that fires all 3 at once 10k forward at 45 degree angles?
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 106	Posted - 2013.10.28 17:09:00 - [444] - Quote Marian Devers wrote: Querns wrote: Wow. Just, wow. So, rather than being able to launch 2-3 bubbles in quick succession, you'd prefer to horribly gimp your fit to logjam two bubble launchers onto a dictor? 100 extra CPU makes fitting a tank a whole lot easier! The new interdiction sphere launcher proposed is qualitatively better than the current model in nearly every single way. Go back to ratting you clueless noob, there's a reason every single dictor fits 2x interdiction sphere launchers. If you haven't figured out why that means you've never flown an Interdictor. In which case, why are you posting? Well, O Master of PvP, please explain to me how two single bubble launchers on a ship is better than one that can fire not twice, but three times under the same reload period. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Aegis Stormborn Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion 88	Posted - 2013.10.28 17:21:00 - [445] - Quote As much as I like most of these changes, that 60 second reload is going to cause a lot of missed kills in small gangs.
kogelbiefstuk Contraband Inc 0	Posted - 2013.10.28 17:41:00 - [446] - Quote Why is it that the sabre gets rockin resist increases on its tank over the rest ? its usually fit shield. but the flycatcher is a t2 ship with 0 resists to em on its shields? when are you gonna quit being so hatfull on the t2/t3 caldari em hole? come on! they are t2 they should have some resists on the tank they fit for.
Kane Fenris NWP 105	Posted - 2013.10.28 17:41:00 - [447] - Quote Aegis Stormborn wrote: As much as I like most of these changes, that 60 second reload is going to cause a lot of missed kills in small gangs. the question is weather this is a bad thing or not i think it will separate good pilots from bad pilots and thats a good thing
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4392	Posted - 2013.10.28 17:41:00 - [448] - Quote Aegis Stormborn wrote: As much as I like most of these changes, that 60 second reload is going to cause a lot of missed kills in small gangs. Please expand a bit on what you mean. .
kogelbiefstuk Contraband Inc 0	Posted - 2013.10.28 17:46:00 - [449] - Quote Kane Fenris wrote: Aegis Stormborn wrote: As much as I like most of these changes, that 60 second reload is going to cause a lot of missed kills in small gangs. the question is weather this is a bad thing or not i think it will separate good pilots from bad pilots and thats a good thing get use two then
Sigras Conglomo 534	Posted - 2013.10.28 17:46:00 - [450] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Magazine terminology corrected. :) Actually in that context either clip or magazine could be correct depending on how the sphere launcher is loaded. Some weapons have a fixed magazine that you feed a clip into in order to reload (M1 Garand) Other weapons have detachable magazines (AK-47) So i guess my question is, which do interdiction sphere launchers use?



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