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SmarncaV2 Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 36	Posted - 2013.10.15 16:57:00 - [91] - Quote What's up with split weapons on Eris? Rockets + Hybrids Dude WTF
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 96	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:07:00 - [92] - Quote I propose replacing the "10% bonus to Interdiction Sphere Launcher rate of fire per level" on each interdictor with "10% reduction in microwarpdrive signature radius penalty per level" and then reducing the base rate of fire of the Interdiction Sphere Launcher by 50%. Using the proposed signature radiuses this would give interdictors bloomed signatures of between 210 (Saber) and 255 (Eris) at max skills before shield extenders/rigs and implants/boosters are taken into account. This is about the size of a BC and would allow anti support ships to target and track an interdictor reasonably well while making it hard for a battleship to do so before the interdictor burned away. This would also leave Interceptors the kings of MWD speed tanking due to their larger bonus and greater speed while not rendering the Talwar redundant as an MWD fit frig killer due its smaller base signature and also having a larger bonus in that specific role. It would also give people a reason to train interdictors V as at the moment the 10% bonus to Interdiction Sphere Launcher rate of fire per level and a small weapon buff just doesn't seem worth the training time on a ship that often carries two bubble launchers and no weapons. It might be necessary to bring the base signature radiuses of the interdictors a bit closer together so that the ships can be more clearly differentiated on their weapon systems and tank types than their raw abiliy to evade fire in a large fight. I will leave the debate regarding the split weapon system on the Eris to other posters as in practice very few interdictors use weapons in a fleet fight.
Totured Veracity Russian Thunder Squad Darkness of Despair 1	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:08:00 - [93] - Quote Jesus, why make it so unneccessary complicated? Make flycatcher and heretic more fleet/big gang oriented (resist bonuses + missiles). Giving heretic resist bonus and not giving it to flycatcher makes little sense as for me. Make sabre and eris more solo/small gang oriented (more damage dealing and more maneuverability compared to heretic and fc). Make each dictor 8 high slots and 7 gun slots. In terms of basic agility/mwd speed: sabre > eris > heretic > flycatcher (in the end fc might appear to be more agile because of shield tank). In terms of damage dealing: eris > sabre > fc/heretic. And that terrible split weapon system on eris needs to be removed and changed to full hybrid bonus.
Iris Bravemount Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 254	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:12:00 - [94] - Quote Why this massive range of base signatures? Wouldn't it make more sense to have them all at 75-80, so that the fittings do the rest to balance the speed/sig ratio? "I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - Paladin's Creed
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2489	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:15:00 - [95] - Quote I see Roden Shipyards' design team are still inhaling paint fumes. Seriously, scrap the split damage nonsense and give Roden ships a theme other than 'kinda crappy and unfocused' CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2261	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:25:00 - [96] - Quote Not pleased with the changes. Sig radius issue needs to be fixed badly. HP buff is not nearly useful enough - still flying coffins. Dictors could use bubble immunity same as interceptors, they more than any ship in the game should be built for operating inside bubbles with full functionality. Split weapon bonus is horrible, making the Eris even worse than it already is. I'm not a fan of missile dessies, so I'll have to say I'm not entirely impressed here that Heretic is remaninng missile too. I was hoping for a Carthum lazor dictor. Or a Creodron drone Eris. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations
Totured Veracity Russian Thunder Squad Darkness of Despair 1	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:27:00 - [97] - Quote No need to make dictors bubble immune. That would create a huge imba issue.
Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 228	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:29:00 - [98] - Quote SWEET, get rid of hybrid tracking bonus on a gall dessy for a MISSILE EXPLOSION RADIUS BONUS! Now, I don't have to use all my ship bonuses at once, I can just use one and suck a giant c-ock even more!! Quote from you fozzie (more or less) "we want to move away from split weapons" Can I get a hybrid bonus on the abaddon while we're at it please, seems just as god damn likely as missile bonuses on hybrid ships. Vote Item Heck One for CSM8
Doed Tyrfing Industries Viro Mors Non Est 50	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:30:00 - [99] - Quote Planet sig radius. t1 resists/EHP ERIS???? REALLY???? 6 launcher Flycatcher having effectively 0.25 more launchers when using kin missiles over Heretic(has an exp velocity or radius bonus thingy but.. .yeah.. no.) 1 lowslot.. 0/10, would not fly.

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 7828	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:31:00 - [100] - Quote Bubble immune dictors would be wtfbbqop. Just saying. Rest of your feedback I'm looking into and taking note of, keep it coming. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/


Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2261	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:36:00 - [101] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Bubble immune dictors would be wtfbbqop. Just saying. Rest of your feedback I'm looking into and taking note of, keep it coming. Fair enough. Here's a simplified list of things I personally want to see - Roll the bubble launcher bonus into the module itself, and give interdictors a better bonus there. - Eris should not be FORCED to split weapons. A choice between the two is good. 4/4 does not offer a choice. - Bigger EHP buff to be higher than T1 destroyers for greater survivability inside the bubble. - Less highslots and more med/lowslots IF you don't buff EHP. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations
Urkhan Law Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 23	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:39:00 - [102] - Quote Hannott Thanos wrote: Well DUH right back at you, the Gallente and Amarr are both armor tank, so no way you fit nano on them, the Caldari has ONE lowslot, and you fit either DC or BCU. Minmatar is shield tanked with 2 lows for gyro and nano. I really hate this agility / mass trend. Base speed of MInmatar ships is really not worth much now (Stabber lineup not included). All this ships need a propulsion mod right? Mwd? ONLY with the mwd what are the speeds of this ships? Why is the ship forced to use an extra module to regain their racial speed advantage? And despite not flying this ships, why the hell is split weapon systems returning? Wasn't that over?
Oi U The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels In Tea We Trust 0	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:41:00 - [103] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Bubble immune dictors No-one would survive. Who would clean up all the mess?
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2261	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:43:00 - [104] - Quote Does anyone else think 6/6 for Eris would work best? Full rack of hybrids? Gank Eris, anyone? Or is that too stronk? Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 416	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:47:00 - [105] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: Does anyone else think 6/6 for Eris would work best? Full rack of hybrids? Gank Eris, anyone? Or is that too stronk? It's not about what ratio of hardpoints. 4/4 would be fine if it just had bigger bonuses - currently it's down a bonus compared to other dictors. It needs full tracking, range and damage bonuses to all its weapons if it wants to be competitive. Good damage potential, bad at fitting damage mods. If it doesn't work, just keep adding drones until it does. The scythe/typhoon fleet issue thing isn't actually split weapons, you're never using both unless you're terrible.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2490	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:48:00 - [106] - Quote If you're insisting on the silly split weapon bonuses on the Eris at least bump the hardpoints up to 5 launchers/ 5turrets so we can choose to lean meaningfully towards one or the other. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 1693	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:48:00 - [107] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: I see Roden Shipyards' design team are still inhaling paint fumes. Seriously, scrap the split damage nonsense and give Roden ships a theme other than 'kinda crappy and unfocused' This is what happens when you mix nuclear warheads and antimatter. Roden Shipyards needs to reevaluate there concepts regarding weapons and either become a full missile production line or become the opposite of Duvolle Labs and focus on long range hybrids. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 96	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:50:00 - [108] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Bubble immune dictors would be wtfbbqop. Just saying. Rest of your feedback I'm looking into and taking note of, keep it coming. I agree. That role should be reserved for the much more fragile interceptors. I hope you consider doing something about the survivability of interdictors in their main role of dropping bubbles in the middle of hostile fleets. I am all for ships going all explody in a fight but when an entire class is universally referred to as "flying coffins" something is wrong. Besides more bubbles means more explody and that's good right?
xttz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 162	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:53:00 - [109] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Bubble immune dictors would be wtfbbqop. Just saying. Rest of your feedback I'm looking into and taking note of, keep it coming. What about a halfway measure... create the Small Micro Jump Drive? Dictors would have a limited ability to jump out of bubbles to reposition, but can't use it alongside every interdiction probe cycle.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 1815	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:53:00 - [110] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: Katrina Oniseki wrote: Does anyone else think 6/6 for Eris would work best? Full rack of hybrids? Gank Eris, anyone? Or is that too stronk? It's not about what ratio of hardpoints. In this case it kind of is, because you're left in the rare case of too many highs to fill. It should probably be 5/5 turrets/launchers and swap a high for a mid/low. Edit: Horrible weird split weapon bonuses aside. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter.

Markku Laaksonen EVE University Ivy League 190	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:56:00 - [111] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: I see Roden Shipyards' design team are still inhaling paint fumes. Seriously, scrap the split damage nonsense and give Roden ships a theme other than 'kinda crappy and unfocused' For only 40 USD (did that price go down recently?) you can be the proud owner of a paint sniffer- I mean, Roden Shipyard t-shirt!! (Really, did that price go down? I thought all the 0.0 Eve was like 90 bucks and up and left you with 0.0 in your wallet, hence the name of the collection.)
Dazz Riiiiiiight Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 188	Posted - 2013.10.15 18:02:00 - [112] - Quote Capt ** wrote: And yet another ... Buff everything, nerf Minmatar. Holy crap - its like the end of days for minmatar. Missile boats ahoy - with no range. Autocannon nerformama - TEs down the pan. Worst Caps by a staggering margin. Command ship loveliness perforated with shotgun. Lowest DPS marauder FTL (for the loss). Dump on minmatars speed and agility advantages - they cant compensate with worst weapon systems. The is no 'flavour' in the racial minmatar its porridge (with lots of salt). juicy juicy tears
Captn Hammer Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans 1	Posted - 2013.10.15 18:02:00 - [113] - Quote Despite training all Destroyer Vs before Odyssey, the split weapons on the Gallente Dictor was what kept me away from committing to the Eris. Please don't propetuate that, using some thin continuity with Roden Shipyards as justification. Give us a few more drones instead of the missle/launchers, or, like a true successor to the Catalyst, more turrets.
Harvey James Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 554	Posted - 2013.10.15 18:04:00 - [114] - Quote I do think Roden Shipyards should be missile only you already have duvolle labs for blasters Roden - missiles only Duvolle Labs - blasters Creo Dron - drones makes more sense to me i think you should look at minnie fleet and maybe make one of their T2 manufacturers do the missile/projectile split Thukker - ASB falloff Boundless Creation - missile or projectiles options like the fleet versions Core Complexion - e-war ships missiles mix well with TP and web bonuses Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please.
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 1788	Posted - 2013.10.15 18:06:00 - [115] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Bubble immune dictors would be wtfbbqop. Just saying. Rest of your feedback I'm looking into and taking note of, keep it coming. Replace Bubble bonus with MWD sig reduction bonus (very few people train dictor to 5, this would give that incentive) Change Eris to 6/6 turrent/ launcher Everything else looks good and its largely a collection of what overpowered thing they wanted on their particularly favorite ship
gascanu Bearing Srl. 18	Posted - 2013.10.15 18:11:00 - [116] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Bubble immune dictors would be wtfbbqop. Just saying. Rest of your feedback I'm looking into and taking note of, keep it coming. why do you think this? atm they pretty much insta die on the field the moment you uncloak/warp in; giving them bubble imunity will give them a chance to gtfo before they die in a fire, and even so they will die allot; all the dps buff is nice, but if you browse the killboards a bit you will find that most of the ppl don't even bother to fit guns on their dictors: 2x launchers, cloak, 1 ***** gun, that's it; like i have said before, dictor biggest problem atm is dieing too fast: the moment you arrive on field you are primary; your on bubble will scramble you, and hostiles will use that to kill you, they don't even need to have you tackled, you are tackling yourself... also bubble immunity make much more sense on dictors than inties: they will be able at least to do some drive-bys, and they will still die allot: to bubble they need to be like <10-15 km from hostile fleet, they can get pointed easy by support ships and after you get pointed is game over. atm flying your dictor in, to bubble a hostile fleet is a suicide mission; bubble immunity at least will give them a small chance to gtfo
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 2694	Posted - 2013.10.15 18:15:00 - [117] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Bubble immune dictors would be wtfbbqop. Just saying. Rest of your feedback I'm looking into and taking note of, keep it coming. ...* Goon parlance. Nice. So you tell me what a dictor is for. I honestly don't know. I fit all salvagers high and all stabs low when ninja looting in tama b/c it has more CPU than a destroyer... but other than that, they fundamentally kill themselves. An Onyx or Broadsword gets a movement penalty when it's bubble gen is active, but they are built like brick s* houses. They tank up like few other cruisers so they are survivable while in that bubble. If things go south, you (usually) have time to disengage your bubble gen because you can tank while the cycle finishes. Dictors? Dictors have to commit 100%. So when I'm in one of the most poorly tanked T2 ships in game, camping a gate in nullsec through which a nullified T3 or any other number of other deadly ships can pop through, my first reaction is: "hmmm... I think I'll offline my MWD and immobilize myself myself as much as possible. That will totally work." wtfbbqop my a. Flying. Coffin. Don't drink and fly expensive spaceships. Also: don't drink, fly expensive spaceships, and just start shooting random people at Jita 4-4. That's all I know about EvE.
Harvey James Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 554	Posted - 2013.10.15 18:15:00 - [118] - Quote what's the point of an explosion radius bonus on frigate sized weapons anyway?? rockets already have lower explosion radius than guns sig res T1/ Faction rockets - 20m T2 Rage - 34m T2 Rage with GMP lv5 - 25.5m guns - 40m T1/ Faction Light missiles - 40m T2 Fury - 69m T2 Fury with GMP lv5 - 51.75m Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2490	Posted - 2013.10.15 18:16:00 - [119] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: Scatim Helicon wrote: I see Roden Shipyards' design team are still inhaling paint fumes. Seriously, scrap the split damage nonsense and give Roden ships a theme other than 'kinda crappy and unfocused' This is what happens when you mix nuclear warheads and antimatter. Roden Shipyards needs to reevaluate there concepts regarding weapons and either become a full missile production line or become the opposite of Duvolle Labs and focus on long range hybrids. I'm down with Roden becoming a Railgun specialist manufacturer, though how well that would fit the Eris I'm not sure. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game.
Randolph Sykes Iris Covenant The Gorgon Empire 0	Posted - 2013.10.15 18:17:00 - [120] - Quote Totured Veracity wrote: Make flycatcher and heretic more fleet/big gang oriented (resist bonuses + missiles). Giving heretic resist bonus and not giving it to flycatcher makes little sense as for me. Make sabre and eris more solo/small gang oriented (more damage dealing and more maneuverability compared to heretic and fc). Make each dictor 8 high slots and 7 gun slots. In terms of basic agility/mwd speed: sabre > eris > heretic > flycatcher (in the end fc might appear to be more agile because of shield tank). In terms of damage dealing: eris > sabre > fc/heretic. And that terrible split weapon system on eris needs to be removed and changed to full hybrid bonus. A thousand times this! T2 are meant to fill a niche, to have a specific role, to perform a specific task and be good at it. The proposed changes show a bunch of ships that perform a specific task and are BAD at it. We need a pair of combat dictors that aren't too mobile but pack a punch. And a pair of fleet dictors that aren't supposed to fit guns at all - just two bubble launchers, and be tanky and mobile enough to drop a bubble and have a chance to retreat.



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