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LakeEnd
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
52
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:38:00 -
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Thats looking alot better than v1, need some time to digest these major changes though.
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xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:38:00 -
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That's much better
Any chance of a T2 probe launcher, with faster reload? |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2760
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:39:00 -
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That... might be ok. Hmmm...
Edit: wait wtf still one low on the flycatcher? What is wrong with you people??
Edit2: OK I'm done thinking about it. I'm going to stick to interceptors in Rubicon and just not worry about the dictors. Maybe expansion after next, a?
o7 fly coffins.
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BadAssMcKill
Love Squad
418
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:40:00 -
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You've somehow messed them up worse http://i.imgur.com/6j6cIZE.gif-á |
Doed
Tyrfing Industries Viro Mors Non Est
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:41:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:OP now updated with version 2. We've incorporated the one launcher per ship idea, added a new MWD sig penalty reduction and increased the resists (now EAF level T2 resists) and HP of all the dictors. We've also updated the Eris to the latest version of the Roden philosophy, giving it pure hybrid bonuses to Optimal, Tracking and Damage.
To compensate for the survivability changes we're dropping the warp speed a touch to 6.75au/s. We've also moderated the changes to the agility of the Heretic and Sabre.
As for the bubble launcher, we have it set with a 3 round clip, 5 second duration, and 60 second reload. One per ship.
Thank you so much! Flycatcher is so much better now with these changes!
Wait, it's still a complete ******* garbage dictor. only 1 launcher per ship and Flycatcher is left with 6 launchers?
YEAH I WANNA NOS MAH FLYCASHUR XOXOXO
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Tuxedo Catfish
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:42:00 -
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Please swap a lowslot for a mid on the Eris. Two mid-slot frigates and destroyers are a joke unless they're kiting ships, which dictors emphatically are not. I don't understand why something so counterproductive has to be a "design philosophy" for the Roden line. Not to mention even the armor-bonused Amarr one gets more tha two!
Other than that, changes sound great. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
7921
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:42:00 -
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xttz wrote:That's much better Any chance of a T2 probe launcher, with faster reload?
It's something that very well may happen at some point. My first inclination with higher meta versions would be to give them larger clips rather than faster reload, but both are possible. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Montami
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:45:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:xttz wrote:That's much better Any chance of a T2 probe launcher, with faster reload? It's something that very well may happen at some point. My first inclination with higher meta versions would be to give them larger clips rather than faster reload, but both are possible.
RIP bubbling + cloaking + bubbling + cloaking + bubbling + cloaking.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2058
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:49:00 -
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Montami wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:xttz wrote:That's much better Any chance of a T2 probe launcher, with faster reload? It's something that very well may happen at some point. My first inclination with higher meta versions would be to give them larger clips rather than faster reload, but both are possible. RIP bubbling + cloaking + bubbling + cloaking + bubbling + cloaking.
Oh no, tactics will have to adapt themselves to these new changes! :qq: Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Chirality Tisteloin
Zervas Aeronautics The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:49:00 -
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Looks interesting. Bubble launcher changes are good.
In terms of survivability I would go for minimum sig radius. Large ships should have real problems hitting them. MWD sig radius goes in the right direction but maybe you want to drive this even further. Assault frigates should be the counter to dictors.
I think cloaky dictors is still an interesting option: Maybe a slight increase in speed/agility while cloaked? See you at my blog: http://spindensity.wordpress.com/ |
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xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:53:00 -
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On further inspection, my only question is why the Heretic gets a resists bonus (plus two weapons bonuses), while all the others get three weapon bonuses.
When survivability is such an issue, how about:
Heretic: +4% armour resists per level Flycatcher: +4% shield resists per level Eris: +4% armour HP per level Sabre: +4% shield HP per level |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
580
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:54:00 -
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some progress here nice to see.... but some things needs addressed
- higher sig radius than T1 dessies... makes no sense especially combined with the 50% mwd sig red ..Talwar has better sig still - slot layouts need fixing 1 low isn't much use and is limiting.. -reduce highs by 2 add them to the gaping holes on ships low/mid slots .. compensate dps with double/ partial damage increases
flycatcher .. 6-5-3 heretic ... 6-3-5 eris ... 6-4-4 sabre ... 6-5-3 Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
7930
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:57:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:some progress here nice to see.... but some things needs addressed
- higher sig radius than T1 dessies... makes no sense especially combined with the 50% mwd sig red ..Talwar has better sig still - slot layouts need fixing 1 low isn't much use and is limiting.. -reduce highs by 2 add them to the gaping holes on ships low/mid slots .. compensate dps with double/ partial damage increases
flycatcher .. 6-5-3 heretic ... 6-3-5 eris ... 6-4-4 sabre ... 6-5-3
You are asking for quite gigantic increases in power for all the ships. I don't doubt that all those changes would make the Dictors better, but that doesn't mean that they would make the game better. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Diivil
Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation
227
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:58:00 -
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Why does an armor dictor get a resist bonus and a shield one doesn't? |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1346
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:59:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:xttz wrote:That's much better Any chance of a T2 probe launcher, with faster reload? It's something that very well may happen at some point. My first inclination with higher meta versions would be to give them larger clips rather than faster reload, but both are possible.
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
580
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:59:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Harvey James wrote:some progress here nice to see.... but some things needs addressed
- higher sig radius than T1 dessies... makes no sense especially combined with the 50% mwd sig red ..Talwar has better sig still - slot layouts need fixing 1 low isn't much use and is limiting.. -reduce highs by 2 add them to the gaping holes on ships low/mid slots .. compensate dps with double/ partial damage increases
flycatcher .. 6-5-3 heretic ... 6-3-5 eris ... 6-4-4 sabre ... 6-5-3 You are asking for quite gigantic increases in power for all the ships. I don't doubt that all those changes would make the Dictors better, but that doesn't mean that they would make the game better.
fair enough but even some movement on these are needed.. Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
425
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:06:00 -
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Pretty bland. Why even have 3 manufacturers if you only want 2 flavours of T2 gallente? |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
425
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:08:00 -
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Diivil wrote:Why does an armor dictor get a resist bonus and a shield one doesn't?
Probably because shield buffer tanking is ridiculously better than armour on frigs/destroyers. |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:13:00 -
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Should be magazine not CLIP
Clip is something used to store or speedload ammo, not something used to fire the ammunition
http://xtremerecoil.net/clip-vs-magazine/ |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
7930
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:16:00 -
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Magazine terminology corrected. :) Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Longdrinks
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
17
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:19:00 -
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Cool changes |
Angelus Ryan
One Ronin
41
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:20:00 -
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Flycatcher needs a 7th launcher. |
Darth Felin
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:21:00 -
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Flycatcher is still bad, why is it left alone as the only dictor that can not use all its high slots for the weapon/bubble launchers?
Sabre 7+1 Eris 7+1 Heretic 7+1 and only flycatcher is 6+1 for launcher + 1???? for what??
Give it additional low slot please or at least give it additional launcher. |
Angelus Ryan
One Ronin
41
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:24:00 -
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Darth Felin wrote:Flycatcher is still bad, why is it left alone as the only dictor that can not use all its high slots for the weapon/bubble launchers?
Sabre 7+1 Eris 7+1 Heretic 7+1 and only flycatcher is 6+1 for launcher + 1???? for what??
Give it additional low slot please or at least give it additional launcher.
Hmm, yeah: 7/5/2 with 6 launchers is also an option, but that would probably be OP. |
Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
74
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:29:00 -
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Fly could do with another launcher or the utility high swapped for a low.
Fly 7 high / 6 launcher / 2 lows
or
Fly 7 high / 7 launcher / 1 low
Current setup of 6.75 effective launcher/turrets looks bad next to the 8.75 effective launcher/turrets of other hulls.
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Doed
Tyrfing Industries Viro Mors Non Est
52
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:30:00 -
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Darth Felin wrote:Flycatcher is still bad, why is it left alone as the only dictor that can not use all its high slots for the weapon/bubble launchers?
Sabre 7+1 Eris 7+1 Heretic 7+1 and only flycatcher is 6+1 for launcher + 1???? for what??
Give it additional low slot please or at least give it additional launcher.
It's for the 2nd probe launcher.... waaaaaait.........
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Nerriana
Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One
5
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:40:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:OP now updated with version 2.
Much better. Thank you, Fozzie, for listening to the players.
Eris' 2 midslots and Flycatcher's 1 lowslot are still kinda LOL, though. Gonna still fly Heretic or Sabre, looks like...
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Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
717
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:44:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:As for the bubble launcher, we have it set with a 3 round magazine, 5 second duration, and 60 second reload. One per ship. Why are you guys moving toward adding increased restrictions in the game? You have to realize that "X per ship" or similar restrictions is utterly and completely contrary to a "sandbox" idea where fittings are limited only by PG and CPU and the pilot's imagination? In this case, if a pilot wants to gimp his fitting to have two launchers, he should be able to do so. The trade off there is that his ship is gimped and will be easily destroyable. It feels like "traditional" balancing philosophies are being replaced by "easier" restriction-style ones. Overall, it really dampens a lot of the fun of trying out various fits, removes elements of surprise (will this dic have 2 launchers, cloak, good tank, etc.?), and cheapens the experience.
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Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
702
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:46:00 -
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Nerriana wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:OP now updated with version 2. Much better. Thank you, Fozzie, for listening to the players. Eris' 2 midslots and Flycatcher's 1 lowslot are still kinda LOL, though. Gonna still fly Heretic or Sabre, looks like... Fit MWD and web.
Target outside bubble? You have 2 more! |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
702
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:48:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:Why are you guys moving toward adding increased restrictions in the game? You have to realize that "X per ship" or similar restrictions is utterly and completely contrary to a "sandbox" idea where fittings are limited only by PG and CPU and the pilot's imagination? Some restrictions are good. We don't want 3 MWD's fit to a ship now do we? Or several MJD's. It breaks balance. |
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