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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1620
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:24:00 -
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I have only turret skills trained, so I only have one reasonable choice of dictor? It'd be nice to have two choices. |
David Kir
Statement of Intent
281
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:25:00 -
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And there we go, the Minmatar ships has the worst agility of the lot. Yup, makes sense.
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Sparkus Volundar
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
72
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:29:00 -
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nm . |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
545
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:32:00 -
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again with the token drone on ships .... point being what exactly? Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
412
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:32:00 -
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Why are gallente all of a sudden getting really terrible sig radius on everything? And why are caldari ships not slow anymore?
Quote:Big bonuses to both missiles and hybrid turrets allow the highest damage of all the dictors if one chooses.
Oh god not again, make it stop. I like split weapons, but they need to be done right.
Quote:The 10mn AB plated fleet fits will be much improved after Rubicon.
Can I take this as a sign that you guys are never going to fix oversized prop mods, and that it's all working as intended? This is really the most disappointing thing here. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1620
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:37:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Can I take this as a sign that you guys are never going to fix oversized prop mods, and that it's all working as intended? This is really the most disappointing thing here.
Do we start talking about oversized tank mods at the same time 'cos the whole 'fit 1600mm/LSE on cruisers' thing doesn't make any sense |
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
68
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:38:00 -
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I was really looking forward to the changes from a non 0.0 dessy pilot.
Quite disappointed.
From the stats I can not see a reason why i'd pick these over standard dessies or AF's (non 0.0 perspective remember).
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Rynnik
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
117
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:39:00 -
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Looks good to me. I am looking forward to messing around with these on release. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
413
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:41:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Can I take this as a sign that you guys are never going to fix oversized prop mods, and that it's all working as intended? This is really the most disappointing thing here. Do we start talking about oversized tank mods at the same time 'cos the whole 'fit 1600mm/LSE on cruisers' thing doesn't make any sense
LSE is just an 800 plate, but yeah it could use more fitting and an actual penalty. We can talk about oversized active shield tanking mods if you like, those are certainly broken. |
BORG HELLinHEAVEN
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
8
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:47:00 -
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Make interdictors imune to their own bubles :), not imune to others bubles |
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Johan March
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:51:00 -
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While it's a good first try, I guess, I am not happy. The good is the attempt to make the other dictors come in line with the Sabre and there's some good first steps. However, there are a couple of things that are disappointing:
A completely untanked Sabre has 15% less EHP than a completely untanked Thrasher with, even with the Rubicon changes, 25% higher signature radius. The EHP and sig radius shouldn't be worse than the T1 counterpart.
Also, fitting a double bubble dictor, which is very common usually gimps the rest of the ship because of CPU constraints. I can't EFT the new fittings, but can lasers, hybrids, etc., even the smallest variety be fit to a double bubble Eris or Heretic?
In my opinion, Dictors should have a little bit more survivability whether through a further reduction in sig radius or a buff to raw hit points. |
Nartel Vortok
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
9
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:52:00 -
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Anna Djan wrote:I was really looking forward to the changes from a non 0.0 dessy pilot.
Quite disappointed.
From the stats I can not see a reason why i'd pick these over standard dessies or AF's (non 0.0 perspective remember).
Why would you use a dictor out of nullsec? The entire point of it is to bubble, not to be some bad gimmick lowsec pvp ship. |
Puikko
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:53:00 -
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Anna Djan wrote:I was really looking forward to the changes from a non 0.0 dessy pilot.
Quite disappointed.
From the stats I can not see a reason why i'd pick these over standard dessies or AF's (non 0.0 perspective remember).
u wot
dictors are exclusively 0.0 boats. you don't fly them in empire, simple as that. |
Longdrinks
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
17
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:53:00 -
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everything looks cool! great job ccp |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
679
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:53:00 -
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David Kir wrote:And there we go, the Minmatar ships has the worst agility of the lot. Yup, makes sense.
Well, it has the best speed and with a nano it's the most agile and speediest dictor. Standard lowslot is nano and gyro, and it will still perform amazingly. The Sabre is not magically **** just because the other dictors are not. |
advii
Kossu and Keppana Inc.
29
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:53:00 -
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I think you should remove fitting requirements from the bubble machine and give all dictors a role bonus that allows them to fit a maximum of 2 launchers. That way you don't have to gimp the fit to be able to do the intended job. Double co-processor and no guns fleet dictor fit anyone? |
Johan March
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:56:00 -
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Nartel Vortok wrote:Anna Djan wrote:I was really looking forward to the changes from a non 0.0 dessy pilot.
Quite disappointed.
From the stats I can not see a reason why i'd pick these over standard dessies or AF's (non 0.0 perspective remember).
Why would you use a dictor out of nullsec? The entire point of it is to bubble, not to be some bad gimmick lowsec pvp ship.
Training for the Alliance Tournament. |
Beffah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:00:00 -
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The slot layout for the flycatcher is awful and is really out of line with the rest of the class. |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
546
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:01:00 -
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advii wrote:I think you should remove fitting requirements from the bubble machine and give all dictors a role bonus that allows them to fit a maximum of 2 launchers. That way you don't have to gimp the fit to be able to do the intended job. Double co-processor and no guns fleet dictor fit anyone?
perhaps add a new bonus to interdictor bonuses that reduce CPU need for Interdiction Sphere Launchers Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
170
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:01:00 -
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I'm somewhat split on the split weapon system of the Eris also. It would make more sense to make it a droneboat.
Then again just hybrid guns would itself probably cause issues...
Dunno. Eris still doesn't impress Stabbers are totally broken
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15116553
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scimichar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:02:00 -
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The others look closer to the standard, the sabre. They are still only suicide bubble ships though. |
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
68
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:03:00 -
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Puikko wrote:Anna Djan wrote:I was really looking forward to the changes from a non 0.0 dessy pilot.
Quite disappointed.
From the stats I can not see a reason why i'd pick these over standard dessies or AF's (non 0.0 perspective remember).
u wot dictors are exclusively 0.0 boats. you don't fly them in empire, simple as that.
As i said, with the re-balance I was hoping that they are NOT exclusive to null sec, as they are the only tech 2 destroyer.... |
Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
170
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:03:00 -
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advii wrote:I think you should remove fitting requirements from the bubble machine and give all dictors a role bonus that allows them to fit a maximum of 2 launchers. That way you don't have to gimp the fit to be able to do the intended job. Double co-processor and no guns fleet dictor fit anyone?
Makes sense, but then again they may become solo pwnmobiles and take over the job of a interceptor (I'd become. Interceptor merged with an assault frigate merged with a gank Brutix).
Then again it is a destroyer... Stabbers are totally broken
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15116553
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Jayce Shadowleaf
Hoover Inc. Black Legion.
0
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:06:00 -
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I'd fix double bubble fitting by either make it easier to fit weapons + double bubble + tank + mwd or limiting dictors to one bubble, and then take a long look at the Flycatcher's slot layout before fiddling with weapon bonuses on the hull. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1815
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:07:00 -
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Harvey James wrote: perhaps add a new bonus to interdictors skills bonuses that reduce CPU need for Interdiction Sphere Launchers
A per-level bonus might be nice. Or they could just reduce the fittings on the launcher, since this is the only ship that fits it. I realize all ships are supposed to have fittings tradeoffs, but some of the ones that come with these ships border on silly. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
641
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:12:00 -
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With amarr, minmatar, and now gallente ship getting bonuses to omnidamage for missiles, it's getting quite frustrating to see Caldaris still being stuck into the kinetic range... at least if hybrids weren't making kinetic damage it would be somewhat balanced, but face a caldari with kinetic-specific resists and you can easily double your tank. G££ <= Me |
Alexander the Great
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
145
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:13:00 -
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Flying dictor in a big fleet is still suicide. And now it's even more pointless because of MJD.
Did you think about giving skilled dictor pilots a way to survive? |
Johnson Oramara
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
114
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:15:00 -
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David Kir wrote:And there we go, the Minmatar ships has the worst agility of the lot. Yup, makes sense.
In the name of the balance anything else is secondary, no matter how similar the boats end up or what the lore says. |
gascanu
Bearing Srl.
14
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:21:00 -
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what a disappointment...
ccp are you guys aware that atm dictors are the ships that die first in every fleet fight; the best tank you can fit on a dictor is cloaking device... are you guys at CCP aware that most ppl don't even fit guns on theyr dictors? hint: is not cose they lack dps
more dps is nice and cool, but what dictors really need is to survive more than 10" after you warp in or decloack. dictor rolle is to bubble fleets, f**k dps, why do you think most ppl are not even fitting guns to they'r dictors? cose they die so fast you won't even have time to lock something....
make them imune to bubles, they will fit this rolle much better than ceptors, give them more mobility /speed, reduce sig radius more, not with lol 5m, all in all give them better chances to do thy're job ...
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
982
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:26:00 -
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Quote:As i said, with the re-balance I was hoping that they are NOT exclusive to null sec, as they are the only tech 2 destroyer....
then complain that there aren't any other t2 dessie hulls, not that the ship class that exists purely to drop bubbles on things isn't useful in sec levels which don't have bubbles. |
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