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Kallen Kozukie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:41:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sar Carstic wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip. I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better. I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE! Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one. Good. The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range.
To play YOUR game you mean, to play THE game is something totally different. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8523
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:41:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:
that's assuming direct profit is the motive rather than for the lolz or running a highsec extortion racket/cult.
but like i said, nerf its tank and it's just a very expensive retriever. no point to it at all.
It just needs its base tank reduced to the same as the hulk. |
Sar Carstic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:41:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote: Selling someone a permit would give you a chance to gank someone who has bought one, because the person you sold the permit too would have just bought one, and you would have a chance to gank them.
Therefore, your rationale for not selling licenses is in fact a rationale TO sell licenses.
"I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, ....gank fit cats should pop like grapes."
If they should pop like grapes, then why would doing that relieve your boredom? Do you like popping grapes? why not do something difficult and target something that isn't defenseless like a gank-fit cat is, according to you; pop something with strong, recently buffed defenses, like a mining barge.
No, if I sold someone a permit I would actually honour it. But I think the whole concept is ridiculous so was actually making fun of it.
Yes, I quite enjoy biting down on grapes and LOVE the feel and sound of them popping. Hunting the hunter and popping some nice little cat that is about to gank a miner will be tremendous fun - I appreciate your concern there, but I will be enjoying myself plenty, thanks.
And who knows, if I see a nice juicy miner sitting there I might just take your suggestion too - maybe there is something I am missing with all this miner ganking, might be worth a try as well. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8523
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:47:00 -
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Kallen Kozukie wrote:No matter how you justify it, it's way too easy to make throwaway gank alts that do it till sec status bottoms out, then rinse and repeat. CONCORD was meant to curb that kind of activity, and making cheap lil destoyers in a month or so is just simply too much.
Something does need to be done about it.
That's a bannable offence. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1432
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:48:00 -
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Kallen Kozukie wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sar Carstic wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip. I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better. I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE! Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one. Good. The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range. To play YOUR game you mean, to play THE game is something totally different.
No, not really. Unless you count afk/ tabbed out with a retriever ice mining while you watch Family Guy on Netflix as "playing the game". |
Sar Carstic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:50:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Good.
The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.
When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range.
So no one played EVE before the "CODE"?
That is good though, and I actually suspect there will only be a minority of coders that would be upset to get ganked. Bear in mind here, I was only having a poke at the code, I don't actively dislike it in any way, I think it is funny and no doubt does generate some game content for some people - just nowhere near as much as those who follow it seem to think sometimes.
I am also sure there are a lot who gank miners who don't give two sh*ts about the code, I'll be equally happy hunting them if they are in a cat.
I appreciate the advice, thanks. To make it fun, and to answer the previous poster about challenge, I am thinking to see if I can do it in a rookie ship perhaps, or something else a little more challenging. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1432
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:58:00 -
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Sar Carstic wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Good.
The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.
When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range.
So no one played EVE before the "CODE"? That is good though, and I actually suspect there will only be a minority of coders that would be upset to get ganked. Bear in mind here, I was only having a poke at the code, I don't actively dislike it in any way, I think it is funny and no doubt does generate some game content for some people - just nowhere near as much as those who follow it seem to think sometimes. I am also sure there are a lot who gank miners who don't give two sh*ts about the code, I'll be equally happy hunting them if they are in a cat. I appreciate the advice, thanks. To make it fun, and to answer the previous poster about challenge, I am thinking to see if I can do it in a rookie ship perhaps, or something else a little more challenging.
Not that no one played EVE before The Code, but rather that more genuiely play it now, thanks to The Code.
Even you yourself have been motivated to action in response to those who follow The Code. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2627
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:37:00 -
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The genius of the code is that...
If you rage in local If you post tear threads on the forums If you try and form a resistance (how many have there been now lol) If you change how you fit your ships If you change how you mine/mission
then you are helping us achieve our goal. No longer are you a mindless afk slave, you are now more actively engaged with the game.
And that's what we want.
The only way to resist us is to do absolutely nothing differently, and if you do nothing different Mr Antimatter says hello and your ship goes byebye |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:10:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.
Not really increased. Organized. And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can. if you say so. it's just getting a bit stale to be called 'emergent' content at this point. and i might do a bit of white knighting myself. have an alt cooking at the moment. i'm just afraid it's not going to be very fun. Depends on your expectations. You are going to do a lot of waiting for anything to happen, you might think differently about how often ganks happen when you spend hours waiting for them to happen.
You won't get any good kills either most of the time unless you get a BC. But BC ganks are even rarer as they cost too much (both in isk and skill training/effort). Your best kills in general will be t2 fitted trashers and cata's. Expect a lot of cheap t1/meta fitted.
As for pods: most of them will be cheap or empty. "Getting pod kills in empire you say?!?! You must be joking!!", nope, there is always some lag when your boat splodes, more if many gankers partake in a single gank and sometimes they just aren't fast enough to respond. Often they don't make insta-dock bookmarks either so sometimes you can just wait on station dock for them to warp right into you.
Watch out with all gank/instalock-no tank white knighting btw. You won't be the first White knight that get's ganked instead of the miners he's trying to protect.
I did it several times, only during mass ganking events like hulkageddon, burn Jita's and interdictions. Even then you won't get much action cept during prime time.
Most of the 'fun' comes from mocking in local if you managed to fumble a gank and/or catch a pod. There's always one that's butthurt. But if that's your aim you're way better off ganking miners, plenty of targets and action pretty much when you want it.
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
498
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:31:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.
lol, That's freakin' hilarious. AUT5M - Active HiSec/WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Inquire within. 5mSP minimum, full API required. |
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Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:55:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.
Let us take out some of the distracting words.
Infinity Ziona wrote:I autopiloted it to Jita ... (I) was podded.
Now, I do go to Harvard, but you don't need to be a Harvard student to figure out the solution here... |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:59:00 -
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Why is it not a surprise that in a game where the devs feel GREED IS GOOD that the players have adopted a GANKING IS GOOD policy.
Oh and autopiloting around in EVE will get you ganked m'k? |
Cage Man
289
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:30:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
OMG.. almost choked on my coffee when I read this... you and your crew are proud null AFK cloakers who bug the hell out of null bears and you come complaining about HS not being safe.. wow.. just wow..
The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:48:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:OMG.. almost choked on my coffee when I read this... you and your crew are proud null AFK cloakers who bug the hell out of null bears and you come complaining about HS not being safe.. wow.. just wow.. Cause, you know, bothering null sec miners/ratters/explorers/missioners and cloacking up when 2 other enter local is hardcore, while shooting at miners in high sec is plain griefing!
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Anarkia Evangel
Glass Archor
1
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:12:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Anarkia Evangel wrote:my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec If you cloak before warping they can't lock you. Just saying. And if you are on about when you undock, then use an instawarp.
Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway?
And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it?
You are being unrealistic. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:08:00 -
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Anarkia Evangel wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Anarkia Evangel wrote:my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec If you cloak before warping they can't lock you. Just saying. And if you are on about when you undock, then use an instawarp. Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway? And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it? You are being unrealistic.
AFK-auto-piloting will realisticly get you locked (and (fail) ganked) in EVE yeah. The sollution would be not afk-auto-piloting. |
Nivo Green
Stac Enterprises
26
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:31:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
What do you consider skill and earning kills to be exactly. A hunter must only be better than its prey, nothing more, and I believe I am not alone when I say most highsec players do not set the bar very high for the hunters.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17368
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:34:00 -
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Anarkia Evangel wrote:Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway? Anyone who wants to travel in safety. Also, since you noticed it being locked a lot while travelling, you're obviously sitting in front of the computer already, so cloaking to avoid those locks isn't asking much.
Quote:And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it? Yes. Chances are that they aren't all that many to begin with. Any station you visit with any regularity is worth the (minute) effort it takes to set up an insta GÇö doubly so if it's in a recently well-populated system. Sure, if it's a particularly empty system, you probably won't since no-one is around to go after you, but even then, if you come there often enoughGǪ
Quote:You are being unrealistic. He's being solution-oriented and pragmatic. None of what he said is particularly unrealistic GÇö it just require the tiniest amount of planning and effort. So maybe that's your complaint? He's not actually lazy? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1486
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:43:00 -
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Nivo Green wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
What do you consider skill and earning kills to be exactly. A hunter must only be better than its prey, nothing more, and I believe I am not alone when I say most highsec players do not set the bar very high for the hunters.
This.
Folks, if our job is easy, it's only because our prey is so, so dumb. Low-hanging fruit? Yeah, probably. But somebody has got to eat it. And I have found that no matter how low, podfruit is just so yummy. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1204
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:18:00 -
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Anarkia Evangel wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Anarkia Evangel wrote:my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec If you cloak before warping they can't lock you. Just saying. And if you are on about when you undock, then use an instawarp. Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway? And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it? You are being unrealistic.
This is why you all need to be exploded. This right here. Anyone who flies a blockade runner in null has literally hundreds of bookmarks, or will after a few losses. You are soft and squishy, you are fat on CONCORD's protection.
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:25:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.
this is a stealth "buff autopilot" thread isn't it..
I really think the OP is trolling, he can't be that dumb to see whats wrong here. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1487
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:29:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs. this is a stealth "buff autopilot" thread isn't it.. I really think the OP is trolling, he can't be that dumb to see whats wrong here.
Unfamiliar with Infinity Ziona, I see.
Yeah, he can be that dumb. We get a new one of these threads every time something comes along and upsets his applecart. Last time it was reinforcement timers, before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Cage Man
289
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs. this is a stealth "buff autopilot" thread isn't it.. I really think the OP is trolling, he can't be that dumb to see whats wrong here. Unfamiliar with Infinity Ziona, I see. Yeah, he can be that dumb. We get a new one of these threads every time something comes along and upsets his applecart. Last time it was reinforcement timers, before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov. AFK cloaking is a complex task and requires you full attention.. you can't be an expert in the art of AFK and be expected to know about the other game mechanics at the same time.. The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:36:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov.
that's ******* hilarious!
"WHY CAN'T I DOCK IN MY ENEMIES CONTROLLED SPACE?"" hmm not sure.. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1487
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:41:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov. that's ******* hilarious! "WHY CAN'T I DOCK IN MY ENEMIES CONTROLLED SPACE?"" hmm not sure..
Oh, I am not kidding either. Not only does IZ feel totally entitled to do this, but it's what started his crusade to change as many aspects of the game as possible to directly benefit himself.
If you wanted to dig through his posting record, you can find the saga of the shield tanked Proteus, too. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
710
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
*snip*
If you wanted to dig through his posting record, you can find the saga of the shield tanked Proteus, too.
That is even more hilarious.
After all, Gallente ships are traditionally shield based....
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Binchiette Ambrye
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:18:00 -
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You totally forgot about all the posts of Ziona about 0.0 being safer than high sec and the risk running missions in high sec is much higher than the risk of ratting in 0.0.
The argument there was that in high sec you have suicide gankers who could come after you anytime while people in 0.0 are not silly enough to stay on field in PvE fitted ships when neutrals enter local and thus high sec being way more dangerous than 0.0. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
782
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:45:00 -
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Lol this is still going.
Kallrus is a bit of an exaggerator, to clear up some of his obvious trolling:
0.0 is a lot safer than high sec. Its vastly less populated, its very easy to spot an enemy (in my case everyone) entering system and you can kill a ganker (in my case everyone) before they attack you.
Kallrus is also obfuscating the not able to dock issue. I said hunting in deep null is very difficult because you cannot dock and refit, not that I should be able to dock and refit in everyone's stations. I solo warred a null sec alliance demanding they allow me to dock at one station, which they eventually did. I call that emergent gameplay and gameplay that is in line with EvE's intended playstyle (let me dock or I'll kill you) rather than whining about it and doing nothing.
As for the shield Proteus. I used that Proteus to attack and kill the above alliance who wouldn't let me dock. For a so called fail fit boat I managed a kill death ratio of 22/1 mostly BC and even a Nightmare, in it so I think it was proven to work, especially considering I was hunting in their hub system and there were up to 20 enemy in system while I was attacking people. Each booster charge provides 1800 pure shields, with an average of 80% resists and 10 charges you can do the math and see its an extremely functional boat.
Additionally it uses no cap for shields, its align time is 6 seconds vs 11 in an armor tank, it's a lot faster than an armor tanked boat and no ability to refit and repair made it a much more useful boat in null than an armor tanked buffer for obvious reasons.
Unfortunately Kallrus is one of those people who believe doctrine is more important than functionality and results and despite the 22/1 k/d he still refuses to believe its viable. Which is sheer stupidity but hey this is EvE forums. |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
169
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:09:00 -
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I blame people being so bad at PVP they have to shoot people with no guns. I for one am happy for people to make the ships and let me get them blown up in glorious combat, forever searching for the GF!
Peace X |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
783
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:17:00 -
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Black Panpher wrote:I blame people being so bad at PVP they have to shoot people with no guns. I for one am happy for people to make the ships and let me get them blown up in glorious combat, forever searching for the GF!
Peace X Glorious combat scares your average ganker |
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