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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
670
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:24:00 -
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Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2074
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:29:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
Buy a Mining Permit. You can find out how on www.minerbumping.com |
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:29:00 -
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High sec being safe is an urban legend. |
Anomaly One
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:29:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
HOW DARE YOU!!
CS 1.6 !!!!!! |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
667
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:31:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
Your first wrong impression is to think Hi-Sec is supposedly safe. Your second is your assumption that this isn't the game CCP designed. It's exactly what they designed, and people are using as it is designed. Your final wrong assumption is you think the game is broke in this aspect of the game. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
670
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:34:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. Buy a Mining Permit. You can find out how on www.minerbumping.com Lmao, I haven't mined since I mined for my first Tempest in 2003... one week of non-stop mining was enough to cure me for life.
Nah its freaking rediculous. WTF should I sit at my PC in high sec making 24 jumps from Jita to Rens just in case some douche alt wants to blow up my shuttle and pod me for lolz. Feck that. But I have to.
I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2077
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:36:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. Buy a Mining Permit. You can find out how on www.minerbumping.com Lmao, I haven't mined since I mined for my first Tempest in 2003... one week of non-stop mining was enough to cure me for life. Nah its freaking rediculous. WTF should I sit at my PC in high sec making 24 jumps from Jita to Rens just in case some douche alt wants to blow up my shuttle and pod me for lolz. Feck that. But I have to. I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.
No bot aspirant is safe, not even you. Honor the Code, or agents will find you. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
670
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:37:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. Your first wrong impression is to think Hi-Sec is supposedly safe. Your second is your assumption that this isn't the game CCP designed. It's exactly what they designed, and people are using as it is designed. Your final wrong assumption is you think the game is broke in this aspect of the game. Your wrong impression is you think you know what you're talking about. Like I said I've been here since 2003. I have seen the buffs and nerfs that CCP used to make to adjust for dps creep and other factors when ganking got too much.
I also was around at the time of the Zombie incident in Yulai and read the post made by the lead dev at the time, the original lead dev, who stated "high sec is supposed to be relatively safe"...
Not "high sec is counterstrike in space".
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2077
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:39:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. Your first wrong impression is to think Hi-Sec is supposedly safe. Your second is your assumption that this isn't the game CCP designed. It's exactly what they designed, and people are using as it is designed. Your final wrong assumption is you think the game is broke in this aspect of the game. Your wrong impression is you think you know what you're talking about. Like I said I've been here since 2003. I have seen the buffs and nerfs that CCP used to make to adjust for dps creep and other factors when ganking got too much. I also was around at the time of the Zombie incident in Yulai and read the post made by the lead dev at the time, the original lead dev, who stated "high sec is supposed to be relatively safe"... Not "high sec is counterstrike in space".
Read the words above again. You violated the Code, and you were punished. You can find the Code here:
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
670
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:45:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. Your first wrong impression is to think Hi-Sec is supposedly safe. Your second is your assumption that this isn't the game CCP designed. It's exactly what they designed, and people are using as it is designed. Your final wrong assumption is you think the game is broke in this aspect of the game. Your wrong impression is you think you know what you're talking about. Like I said I've been here since 2003. I have seen the buffs and nerfs that CCP used to make to adjust for dps creep and other factors when ganking got too much. I also was around at the time of the Zombie incident in Yulai and read the post made by the lead dev at the time, the original lead dev, who stated "high sec is supposed to be relatively safe"... Not "high sec is counterstrike in space". Read the words above again. You violated the Code, and you were punished. You can find the Code here: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already. |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2079
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:46:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. Your first wrong impression is to think Hi-Sec is supposedly safe. Your second is your assumption that this isn't the game CCP designed. It's exactly what they designed, and people are using as it is designed. Your final wrong assumption is you think the game is broke in this aspect of the game. Your wrong impression is you think you know what you're talking about. Like I said I've been here since 2003. I have seen the buffs and nerfs that CCP used to make to adjust for dps creep and other factors when ganking got too much. I also was around at the time of the Zombie incident in Yulai and read the post made by the lead dev at the time, the original lead dev, who stated "high sec is supposed to be relatively safe"... Not "high sec is counterstrike in space". Read the words above again. You violated the Code, and you were punished. You can find the Code here: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
Sounds like someone is mad.
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Anomaly One
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:48:00 -
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hmm nvm, I get what you mean, or not. |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
129
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:57:00 -
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There is only one thing better than butthurt on EvE-O and that is Infinity Ziona butthurt.
In that respect this thread delivers in vast, vast quantities. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
671
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:05:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote:There is only one thing better than butthurt on EvE-O and that is Infinity Ziona butthurt.
In that respect this thread delivers in vast, vast quantities. I'm not butthurt. I'm annoyed that my favorite game's gameplay is turning into rubbish. |
Levome Thorphan
Evil Genius Organisation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:06:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
There is no "safe space" in EVE... if you want to AFK safely, go sit in a station. And you haven't even been ganked (so you never even lost anything?) so what are you complaining about lol...
On the other hand I do agree that a bigger risk for the aggressor would be nice. |
Levome Thorphan
Evil Genius Organisation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:09:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Mythrandier wrote:There is only one thing better than butthurt on EvE-O and that is Infinity Ziona butthurt.
In that respect this thread delivers in vast, vast quantities. I'm not butthurt. I'm annoyed that my favorite game's gameplay is turning into rubbish.
Turning into? These are not new mechanics you are mentioning... |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
671
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:12:00 -
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Levome Thorphan wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. There is no "safe space" in EVE... if you want to AFK safely, go sit in a station. And you haven't even been ganked (so you never even lost anything?) so what are you complaining about lol... On the other hand I do agree that a bigger risk for the aggressor would be nice. As I mentioned already, I'm not asking for safe space, but as I also mentioned, as per the original intention of highsec, its was supposed to be relatively safe.
I'm not against suicide ganking, I was one of the first people to gank barges when they first came out, and I suicided someone the other day in Jita, however the ease of suiciding along with the no consequences of the mechanic are not what EvE is supposed to be about.
EvE is supposed to be HARSH, not just harsh on carebears, but harsh on everyone. We have a subset of players, who are by and large obvious carebears, hiding behind alts with no risk to themselves and killing people without any risk, any effort or any skill.
That's not EVE imo. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
431
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:14:00 -
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Well before there was can flipping, which people mostly did in the hope they would dock up and come back out in a combat ship or their defender from their corp would come out and have a nice bit of pvp. Miners complained to get bigger ore holds and safer mechanics. Now instead of flipping there is nothing to do except straight up gank, which probably ends up in more dead barges than before. |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
230
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:17:00 -
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Sensors report vast densities of rear pain in this sector!
Also hisec is not supposed to be safe. Safety has a price: be at the keyboard or fly a brick and make it look unappealing. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
493
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:17:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
Actually Ziona, let me lay some logic on you...
This is a sandbox game that is usually regarded as being "cold and harsh."
Now...
Which is more harsh?
A low skill, easy kill...
Or a fight fought heroically...
Hmmmm?
Or let me put it in plainly...
There is no bushido in space. |
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
772
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:20:00 -
[21] - Quote
This is strange, I have never been ganked in highsec and my cargohold is most of the time worth it.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
309
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:23:00 -
[22] - Quote
I don't think this one will run out anywhere near as much line as the economics thread did.
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To Be Me
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:26:00 -
[23] - Quote
Yes you said it right, this is eve online.. Now dont expect it to be rainbow pokemon 2.
And its in the deep roots of eve to fear when you click "connect". You arent supposed to think this is a normal fair game, it is not.
You see ccp permabanned 4 of my accounts for some stupid thing and i didnt cry.
Now go shed your tears away on your moms shoulders
ps: you should also need skills and brains to fit a proper tank in your badger. Same rules applied. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
671
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:26:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
Actually Ziona, let me lay some logic on you... This is a sandbox game that is usually regarded as being "cold and harsh." Now... Which is more harsh? A low skill, easy kill... Or a fight fought heroically... Hmmmm? Or let me put it in plainly... There is no bushido in space. The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems.
However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like.
The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2080
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:32:00 -
[25] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
Actually Ziona, let me lay some logic on you... This is a sandbox game that is usually regarded as being "cold and harsh." Now... Which is more harsh? A low skill, easy kill... Or a fight fought heroically... Hmmmm? Or let me put it in plainly... There is no bushido in space. The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems. However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5 Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like. The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
So you are crying because some people used teamwork in a multiplayer game to outwit your soloing?
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KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
494
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:32:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems.
However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like.
The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
So what that there is no risk?
You are getting caught up on the killboard, and isk lost.
You are getting caught up on space pixels.
I fly around in my training pod, every day, down the highway. Who cares? Isk can be remade.
"Isk" is not "EvE." It is the lubricant that "EvE" uses to run smoothly.
Now I feel like you are a bot-aspirant, Ziona.
Are you Code-compliant?
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
230
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:32:00 -
[27] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
Actually Ziona, let me lay some logic on you... This is a sandbox game that is usually regarded as being "cold and harsh." Now... Which is more harsh? A low skill, easy kill... Or a fight fought heroically... Hmmmm? Or let me put it in plainly... There is no bushido in space. The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems. However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5 Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like. The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
They need to identify you, find you, catch you and kill you. It takes more skill than you think, it's actually easier to bubble a gate and sit on it.
If you're that scared, adapt and fly cloaked. If you don't and get ganked, well, you're the prey and they'll profit. It's very EVE like that even a low-skilled character can hurt a veteran if the latter is careless. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
671
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:35:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:This is strange, I have never been ganked in highsec and my cargohold is most of the time worth it.
I haven't been ganked either. That's not the point. The point is its too easy, theres no risk and it costs nothing. If you gank there should be a cost, there is not. 2 million is not a cost, its pocket change.
Like I said in another thread on a similiar topic, before destroyers and easy ganking were introduced, it would cost you a battleship to gank, now it costs you a catalyst. That's a 98% reduction in cost. That's too cheap. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
494
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:39:00 -
[29] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:This is strange, I have never been ganked in highsec and my cargohold is most of the time worth it.
I haven't been ganked either. That's not the point. The point is its too easy, theres no risk and it costs nothing. If you gank there should be a cost, there is not. 2 million is not a cost, its pocket change. Like I said in another thread on a similiar topic, before destroyers and easy ganking were introduced, it would cost you a battleship to gank, now it costs you a catalyst. That's a 98% reduction in cost. That's too cheap.
Destroyers and Easy Ganking are merely the next evolutionary step after the Large Weapon BC's came out. Because some EFT warrior figured out you could apply the same dps with few handful's of destroyers, as you could with the evolutionary step above it.
It is people developing the sandbox, Ziona. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
431
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:39:00 -
[30] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
Actually Ziona, let me lay some logic on you... This is a sandbox game that is usually regarded as being "cold and harsh." Now... Which is more harsh? A low skill, easy kill... Or a fight fought heroically... Hmmmm? Or let me put it in plainly... There is no bushido in space. The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems. However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5 Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like. The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
MWD cloak through the gates. Fit stabs + inertias. Contract the loot to a courier. Contract the whole ship and travel in a covops.
-_- |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
671
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:41:00 -
[31] - Quote
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems.
However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like.
The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
So what that there is no risk? You are getting caught up on the killboard, and isk lost. You are getting caught up on space pixels. I fly around in my training pod, every day, down the highway. Who cares? Isk can be remade. "Isk" is not "EvE." It is the lubricant that "EvE" uses to run smoothly. Now I feel like you are a bot-aspirant, Ziona. Are you Code-compliant? No I'm not, I'm training up 8 alts to multi-box with. You know where you can stick your code right? Have a problem come find me and we'll talk about it. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
772
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:41:00 -
[32] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:This is strange, I have never been ganked in highsec and my cargohold is most of the time worth it.
I haven't been ganked either. That's not the point. The point is its too easy, theres no risk and it costs nothing. If you gank there should be a cost, there is not. 2 million is not a cost, its pocket change. Like I said in another thread on a similiar topic, before destroyers and easy ganking were introduced, it would cost you a battleship to gank, now it costs you a catalyst. That's a 98% reduction in cost. That's too cheap. Maybe we should make it cost ISK to disable the weapon safety for 5 minutes on a ship, say 100m? |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
309
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:42:00 -
[33] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems.
However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like.
The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
You own a proteus alt - and the ziona character herself must also be trivially close to flying one, which is largely invulnerable to a small battleship smartbomb trap through ehp, and can covops nullifier itself (ie move to highsec without requiring a wormhole), and it has a covops cloak for transiting highsec, and due to its potential ehp is highly likely to survive an undock gank attempt or even a horribly unlucky highsec decloaking.
IMO this is the very last thing a gallente pilot ought to be moaning about, for Tokyo express missions we have the -best- ship.
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KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
494
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:46:00 -
[34] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:
No I'm not, I'm training up 8 alts to multi-box with. You know where you can stick your code right? Have a problem come find me and we'll talk about it.
Oh no!!!
8 alts you say?!?!?!?!
That is just...wow.
Damn, I better just biomass myself, because I just don't know what I could possibly do.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3165
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:48:00 -
[35] - Quote
Every game has it's whiny, entitled, risk averse group that expect to be catered to. At this point in EVE history it's the suicide gankers doing the crying and getting all the perks.
I suspect that like most unbalanced mechanics over the years it will be fixed soon enough.
Mr Epeen |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
673
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:51:00 -
[36] - Quote
Tauranon wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems.
However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like.
The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
You own a proteus alt - and the ziona character herself must also be trivially close to flying one, which is largely invulnerable to a small battleship smartbomb trap through ehp, and can covops nullifier itself (ie move to highsec without requiring a wormhole), and it has a covops cloak for transiting highsec, and due to its potential ehp is highly likely to survive an undock gank attempt or even a horribly unlucky highsec decloaking. (since nobody would have a chance to scan you to figure what you are carrying its extremely unlikely you'd ever cop an organised ganking even if you did get uncloaked by accident). IMO this is the very last thing a gallente pilot ought to be moaning about, for Tokyo express missions we have the -best- ship. Holy crap. I'm not in the least worried about myself The likelihood of me getting ganked is about 0. If a CFC kills me I'll congratulate them, get another ship and go back out there. They are at least attack-able and kill-able. They are taking risks. They deserve the kill. The point that you all seem to be missing with your "eve is not supposed to be safe" crap is that that is exactly what it is for the gankers. 100% SAFE, no risk, no effort, nothing. Quick biomass and you're all fresh to start over.
That's what I'm saying. It should not be zero risk to gank but it currently is. That's whats wrong. Everyone else is risking except the gankers. |
Athena Maldoran
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2454
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:52:00 -
[37] - Quote
with the amount of tears this person provides on the forum, even I want to gank him :D |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
130
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:52:00 -
[38] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
See this is the problem. You went into this assuming you were the GÇ£strongGÇ¥ element of this argument. A gang (I.E multiple people working together, it IS an MMO after all) are always going to win. No matter how much ISK you are flying, you will get out played if they bring friends and you donGÇÖt. |
CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:54:00 -
[39] - Quote
"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold" "The strong should profit and the weak should not"
Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ... |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
431
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:56:00 -
[40] - Quote
CMD Ishikawa wrote:"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold" "The strong should profit and the weak should not"
Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ...
Isn't it just? It's like a snob parking their Ferrari on a council estate then complaining that how dare the weak untermensch steal it. |
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Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
163
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:58:00 -
[41] - Quote
i can fix this easy. get rid of auto pilot. then you cant complain about being blown up while afk. as you will have to be thre at all times while ur ship is moving to activate the gates. love it ccp make it happen remove auto pilot! |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
494
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:00:00 -
[42] - Quote
CMD Ishikawa wrote:"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold" "The strong should profit and the weak should not"
Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ...
I will be sure to inform Erotica 1 and the others...see if she and her corp are compliant or have red-pen violations. Maybe we can make a nice BYOD live event for the community out of it. |
Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
467
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:01:00 -
[43] - Quote
It's not the gankers that bother me, it's their Halitosis fits. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
673
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:06:00 -
[44] - Quote
CMD Ishikawa wrote:"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold" "The strong should profit and the weak should not"
Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ... I was flying around in null with it all day, that's what makes me strong, I'm not a risk averse girlfriend like you that flinches at the thought of loss.
And maybe instead of asking someone to gank me, you grow some and get in a ship yourself? |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22209
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:17:00 -
[45] - Quote
Fix? How? I mean... without pi**sing off one of the major whine.... I mean factions of players? |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
495
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:21:00 -
[46] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:CMD Ishikawa wrote:"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold" "The strong should profit and the weak should not"
Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ... I was flying around in null with it all day, that's what makes me strong, I'm not a risk averse girlfriend like you that flinches at the thought of loss. And maybe instead of asking someone to gank me, you grow some and get in a ship yourself?
I find the anger inside you, disturbing, to say the least.
Have you any thought that this poster may be woman?
Are you sexist? How can a woman grow a pair?
Or perhaps...if he is a he...perhaps he lost his "items" in a horrible accident in RL...
Or perhaps he feels that his time is better spent doing whatever makes him happy in EvE....not what you expect him to do...as you are not his overlord.
You shouldn't tell people things like that. They are hurtful.
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Taal Khurin
Happy Asteroid Ltd
59
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:24:00 -
[47] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5 .
Catalysts ganking on a gate? Unlikely, gate guns make short work of zero tanked dessies.
Also how long does it take your HAC to align so that they can scan you and try and gank?
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baltec1
Bat Country
8422
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:25:00 -
[48] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Fix? How? I mean... without pi**sing off one of the major whine.... I mean factions of players?
We could return it to the days of M0o. |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:30:00 -
[49] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Fix? How? I mean... without pi**sing off one of the major whine.... I mean factions of players?
CD on clone replacement? Dunno.. But I think what the OP is trying to say here is that even in game wise it makes no sense.. they are literally immortal suicide bombers... so why doesn't concord do anything about them?
Because they bend the rules , they lure concord and faction police away, stay docked with their low security status alt till they need to strike so they dont get sent back to wherever they come from.. its all very neat and organized but honestly ive wondered for a while does it count as an exploit.
"Concord Manipulation Concord can be moved away from the miners they guard (within a 150km range), enabling further ganks. The nearest Concord squad in the system responds. Multiple Concord can be moved by simultaneous crimes. Undocking with aggression in a rookie ship or shuttle is a quick way to move Concord or even spawn Concord in a neighboring system."
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baltec1
Bat Country
8423
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:39:00 -
[50] - Quote
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:" Concord ManipulationConcord can be moved away from the miners they guard (within a 150km range), enabling further ganks. The nearest Concord squad in the system responds. Multiple Concord can be moved by simultaneous crimes. Undocking with aggression in a rookie ship or shuttle is a quick way to move Concord or even spawn Concord in a neighboring system."
No it is not an exploit. Moving concord around is perfectly fine so long as you do not somehow avoid being killed by them or recycle the character. |
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oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:43:00 -
[51] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:" Concord ManipulationConcord can be moved away from the miners they guard (within a 150km range), enabling further ganks. The nearest Concord squad in the system responds. Multiple Concord can be moved by simultaneous crimes. Undocking with aggression in a rookie ship or shuttle is a quick way to move Concord or even spawn Concord in a neighboring system." No it is not an exploit. Moving concord around is perfectly fine so long as you do not somehow avoid being killed by them or recycle the character.
\o/ oh well
If its not an exploit your best bet is to become a Sarah Flynt |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
292
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:43:00 -
[52] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:... The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems.
However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like.
The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
Wait, so who's strong and who's the weak scared loser?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5086
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:47:00 -
[53] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:" Concord ManipulationConcord can be moved away from the miners they guard (within a 150km range), enabling further ganks. The nearest Concord squad in the system responds. Multiple Concord can be moved by simultaneous crimes. Undocking with aggression in a rookie ship or shuttle is a quick way to move Concord or even spawn Concord in a neighboring system." No it is not an exploit. Moving concord around is perfectly fine so long as you do not somehow avoid being killed by them or recycle the character. If I recall correctly, spawning concord on top of yourself to use them as protection is not allowed. Which is hilarious. |
Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:51:00 -
[54] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec. .
What about the 100+ man fleets following FC's orders to press F1 on command? Does that require skill and brains? Perhaps teamwork should be nerfed too? Where does it end OP? |
baltec1
Bat Country
8423
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:52:00 -
[55] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:baltec1 wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:" Concord ManipulationConcord can be moved away from the miners they guard (within a 150km range), enabling further ganks. The nearest Concord squad in the system responds. Multiple Concord can be moved by simultaneous crimes. Undocking with aggression in a rookie ship or shuttle is a quick way to move Concord or even spawn Concord in a neighboring system." No it is not an exploit. Moving concord around is perfectly fine so long as you do not somehow avoid being killed by them or recycle the character. If I recall correctly, spawning concord on top of yourself to use them as protection is not allowed. Which is hilarious.
Correct.
We in Bats had this confirmed by the GMs in our second ice interdiction. The spawning of concord for protection is an exploit as CCP want people to protect themselves, not have the game do it for them. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8423
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:55:00 -
[56] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec. . What about the 100+ man fleets following FC's orders to press F1 on command? Does that require skill and brains? Perhaps teamwork should be nerfed too? Where does it end OP?
We don't even press F1 these days. |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:56:00 -
[57] - Quote
Quote:
Correct.
We in Bats had this confirmed by the GMs in our second ice interdiction. The spawning of concord for protection is an exploit as CCP want people to protect themselves, not have the game do it for them.
oh CCP ... cant exploit concord for defense, but can exploit concord for attack, you silly silly munchkins u |
Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:59:00 -
[58] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:We don't even press F1 these days.
Okay clearly we must nerf drones too!
Perhaps all future pvp fights can be decided in an Arena that will only allow equally matched players to fight each other so we can ensure that skill will prevail! |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
379
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:00:00 -
[59] - Quote
Mythrandier wrote:A gang (I.E multiple people working together, it IS an MMO after all) are always going to win. Off-topic, about a decade ago, I remember reading a story how six gang bangers thought that lone man minding his own business was an easy mark.
Afterwards, there were three dead, two hospitalized, and one traumatized.
Turned out the lone man was a Marine drill sergeant. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
524
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:07:00 -
[60] - Quote
Where on earth is the OP flying where there are hordes of gankers every 2-3 jumps?
I recommend avoiding lowsec to avoid these roving bands of barbarians (although, I may be getting confused with Civ V) |
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
230
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:10:00 -
[61] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:baltec1 wrote:We don't even press F1 these days. Okay clearly we must nerf drones too! Perhaps all future pvp fights can be decided in an Arena that will only allow equally matched players to fight each other so we can ensure that skill will prevail!
"Frankly, my good sir, your continued ownership of 6VDT is an insult to me, my wife and my camel. Tomorrow we shall meet in Jita, lance-enyos at dawn!"
Well, to be honest there have been continued nerfs to ganking:
- boomerang got fixed (for those few unaware wtf boomeranging was, it allowed evading CONCORD and lining up a few ganks with one ship) - barge hitpoints got buffed (that's for miner ganking, not the usual gate one but still) - insurance on suicide ganking ships was removed
For now gankers have a simple algorithm. Does it have shiney cargo, the drop of which (1/2 average, you can get rich or get shafted of course) will cover our ganking ships + profit?
If yes, gank it. if no, don't gank it.
As for pods... well, there's plenty of dumb people flying full implant pods AFK through hisec. They get podded, but if the ganker just keeps at it they'll burn sec really fast - plus, a lot of pods are empty anyway so it's just waste of a thrasher.
And no, you can't gank -> biomass burn alt -> roll another alt, it's kind of going to get you b&d. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
594
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:15:00 -
[62] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
Zi, you are WAY too old to be complaining about stuff like this. I expect more out of a fellow "ancient". Unless you're "under new management"... in which case, knock the EULA-violation crap off before you get another old toon permabanned. |
Nick Curso
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:16:00 -
[63] - Quote
If you get mugged on the street when do the police arrive, before or after the mugging?.... |
Richard Ramlrez
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:34:00 -
[64] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Mythrandier wrote:There is only one thing better than butthurt on EvE-O and that is Infinity Ziona butthurt.
In that respect this thread delivers in vast, vast quantities. I'm not butthurt. I'm annoyed that my favorite game's gameplay is turning into rubbish.
Your favorite part of EVE is staying afk in hi-sec?
You play this since 2003 and don't know that Hi-sec isn't the safest place in the game? |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22209
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:34:00 -
[65] - Quote
Problem is, to really change anything, there would have to be pretty drastic measures put into place, like: IP locked accounts and one security rating over all of them... practically nowhere to go for low sec standing players in high sec - stations refusing service, gate/station guns KOS, etc.
Some gankers don't gank for reward, they gank for LOLs and tears. They don't care about their sec standing nor their ships... those gankers are the real "problem".
Diaper rash and boredom can do the ungliest things to a young mind... |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
257
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 13:37:00 -
[66] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Problem is, to really change anything, there would have to be pretty drastic measures put into place, like: IP locked accounts and one security rating over all of them... practically nowhere to go for low sec standing players in high sec - stations refusing service, gate/station guns KOS, etc. Some gankers don't gank for reward, they gank for LOLs and tears. They don't care about their sec standing nor their ships... those gankers are the real "problem". Diaper rash and boredom can do the ungliest things to a young mind...
I like your hair |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22209
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:39:00 -
[67] - Quote
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:I like your hair Oh, why thank you hon, that's very sweet of you! |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
868
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 13:51:00 -
[68] - Quote
I like to kill cockies and to eat ships....wait, think I got it wrong... High Sek too stronk!! |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:53:00 -
[69] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:I like to kill cockies and to eat ships....wait, think I got it wrong... High Sek too stronk!!
You like to eat cockies and kill ships? |
Clyde Belvar
Ambition..
0
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:57:00 -
[70] - Quote
This game is becoming unplayable because of ganking happening right now. 2 years ago when i started playing with my main char i didn't see nearly as much ganking as it is now.I was on my eve brake for 4 months,now recently i came back and game is completely changed,which shows that there is a serious problem of people exploiting game mechanics. Now you see gankers everywhere,ganking mission runners,ganking miners,setting up gate camps in cheap ass ships in hisec and camping stations all day. You are not even safe in pod since there will be some ass who will kill you anyways. This character i made for trading and manifacturing,now i can't even move my stuff around because i know someone will probably gank me,it doesn't matter what ship i fly,indie freighter they can be shot down in seconds,and i am never autopiloting. I lost more isk in 4 days then my main char lost in 2 years living in lowsec nullsec and wh's,how can it be right?
Worse thing is that there are no consequences for gankers,yeah they might get kill right on them,but they will undock in shuttle and get it off. Gankers should be charged for crime they do,something like 50% of total isk lost they should repay to victim.So if 2 catalysts destroy hulk they wallets go negative 50 mil each,and if they don't have isk wallet goes -50 mil.Why not make ganking more hard?
I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships. |
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Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
133
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:57:00 -
[71] - Quote
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:I like to kill cockies and to eat ships....wait, think I got it wrong... High Sek too stronk!! You like to eat cockies and kill ships?
Speaking of whichGǪ Is it just me, or does Michiko's avatar look a little bit too much like Sasha Grey to be a coincidence? |
March rabbit
True Horde
857
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 13:58:00 -
[72] - Quote
Taal Khurin wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5 .
Catalysts ganking on a gate? Unlikely, gate guns make short work of zero tanked dessies. because catalysts need time to kill pods and industrials
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Taal Khurin
Happy Asteroid Ltd
60
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 13:58:00 -
[73] - Quote
am i tegh lony oewn woph cna tyope poroplpy arundf heerf? |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22209
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:01:00 -
[74] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships. Nah... it's acttually like: How many potential players never even start the game because of everything they read/hear about it...
...but there are enough people in this game that are completely fine with that, so. *shrugs* |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2321
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:02:00 -
[75] - Quote
Highsec doesn't need to be safer.
It needs to be more dangerous. Especially for gankers, and their risk free PvP. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
868
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:02:00 -
[76] - Quote
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:I like to kill cockies and to eat ships....wait, think I got it wrong... High Sek too stronk!! You like to eat cockies and kill ships?
See...thats how messed up high sec is...no wonder OP is scared! |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
257
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:03:00 -
[77] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships. Nah... it's acttually like: How many potential players never even start the game because of everything they read/hear about it... ...but there are enough people in this game that are completely fine with that, so. *shrugs*
3 of my friends were like "F THAT your a masochist" .. and i had no rebuttal... cause whips and gags and stuff |
Richard Ramlrez
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:06:00 -
[78] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:Highsec doesn't need to be safer.
It needs to be more dangerous. Especially for gankers, and their risk free PvP.
That ill have to agree. CCP is ok with risk free ganking. And yea they prob lost hundreds of thousands of potential subscribers due to this. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22209
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:14:00 -
[79] - Quote
Richard Ramlrez wrote:That ill have to agree. CCP is ok with risk free ganking. And yea they prob lost hundreds of thousands of potential subscribers due to this. True dat... well, at least hundreds. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2373
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:17:00 -
[80] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
Guys, ignore them! It's a troll! You can tell by the way they think nullsec PVP requires skill or brains. Ctrl+click -> F1 is not brains.
EDIT: And OP, if you spent weeks dodging the Goons in null you're doing it wrong. Just don't go to their space. Stay in your own, you'll never see a non-blue again. Problem solved. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3229
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:19:00 -
[81] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Mythrandier wrote:There is only one thing better than butthurt on EvE-O and that is Infinity Ziona butthurt.
In that respect this thread delivers in vast, vast quantities. I'm not butthurt. I'm annoyed that my favorite game's gameplay is turned into rubbish in 2003 because it's always been this way even if I can't understand why.
Fixed. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
524
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:20:00 -
[82] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships. Nah... it's acttually like: How many potential players never even start the game because of everything they read/hear about it... ...so, yea, either a) CCP completely breaks the game for gankers at some point, or b) lives with what they have got, and probably loose more players in the future. *shrugs* There are enough people in this game that are completely fine with the latter option, though.
Well...how many potential players are put off by hyperbole and rhetoric of gankers at every undock, and probably hiding in your captains quarters waiting to gank you when you sit down to watch some ****?
I hear that as soon as you jump through a gate, you get ganked, and that everyone always steals all your stuff and screws you over...no wonder players are put off by hearing this....if it were actually true then the population of afkers in eve would be way lower and we would have no freight transport services, and I would probably be much richer through collateral payouts. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
264
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:21:00 -
[83] - Quote
I agree that the AP gank is highly annoying, especially if your FC decides you need to be 20 jumps away and you have to manually jump the whole frikkin way.
so you can jump 8 light years across low/null instantly.
and attention paid = 0. i just sit reading forum/news/mittani and cick jump to the yellow gate every time i hear a session change. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
221
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:22:00 -
[84] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Mythrandier wrote:A gang (I.E multiple people working together, it IS an MMO after all) are always going to win. Off-topic, about a decade ago, I remember reading a story how six gang bangers thought that lone man minding his own business was an easy mark. Afterwards, there were three dead, two hospitalized, and one traumatized. Turned out the lone man was a Marine drill sergeant.
Also off topic, but I actually know of a marine drill sergeant who got his ass royally handed to him (permanent injuries and disfigurement) when he got jumped by three gangbangers. They just destroyed him.
Because real life is nothing like the movie you just watched. That marine drill sergeant fought back and got stomped for it. |
Prince Kobol
1109
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:22:00 -
[85] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:This game is becoming unplayable because of ganking happening right now. 2 years ago when i started playing with my main char i didn't see nearly as much ganking as it is now.I was on my eve brake for 4 months,now recently i came back and game is completely changed,which shows that there is a serious problem of people exploiting game mechanics. Now you see gankers everywhere,ganking mission runners,ganking miners,setting up gate camps in cheap ass ships in hisec and camping stations all day. You are not even safe in pod since there will be some ass who will kill you anyways. This character i made for trading and manifacturing,now i can't even move my stuff around because i know someone will probably gank me,it doesn't matter what ship i fly,indie freighter they can be shot down in seconds,and i am never autopiloting. I lost more isk in 4 days then my main char lost in 2 years living in lowsec nullsec and wh's,how can it be right?
Worse thing is that there are no consequences for gankers,yeah they might get kill right on them,but they will undock in shuttle and get it off. Gankers should be charged for crime they do,something like 50% of total isk lost they should repay to victim.So if 2 catalysts destroy hulk they wallets go negative 50 mil each,and if they don't have isk wallet goes -50 mil.Why not make ganking more hard?
I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships.
Wow, you see I have the total opposite experience.
I have been ganked twice in my life when I first started playing Eve and both times it was completely my fault. It was nearly 3 years ago now.
Since then I have moved 100's of billions of isk worth of crap thoughout all of Eve, that include all area's of space and I have never lost one ship to gank..
So whilst some say it never been this bad, because of my own experience, I just go along with you were stupid and now are crying about it. |
Linna Baresi
18
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:23:00 -
[86] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships. Nah... it's acttually like: How many potential players never even start the game because of everything they read/hear about it... [...]
This is something I can confirm. I've been playing MMO's for over a decade, and whenever you hear something about EVE in other games, it's always, without exception something bad, and people actively warn you to never, ever play it. Which results in potential players, even those who love SF and spaceships, avoiding it like the plague. Interestingly enough, this includes people from some extremely harsh PVP games. So before anyone comes with that reply, no, it's not a 'carebear' thing.
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
221
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:24:00 -
[87] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:CMD Ishikawa wrote:"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold" "The strong should profit and the weak should not"
Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ... I was flying around in null with it all day, that's what makes me strong, I'm not a risk averse girlfriend like you that flinches at the thought of loss. And maybe instead of asking someone to gank me, you grow some and get in a ship yourself?
Wait, flying through null makes you "strong?"
Holy ****, someone call E-UNI, they're one of the strongest corps in EVE . . . they roam through null like every other day, and even have a STRONG CAMPUS there!
Also, regarding your earlier post, please provide me with the fittings for the 2 million isk Catalyst you are so scurred of. I'd love to fly one, but can't find modules that cheap.
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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2373
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:25:00 -
[88] - Quote
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Also off topic, but I actually know of a marine drill sergeant who got his ass royally handed to him (permanent injuries and disfigurement) when he got jumped by three gangbangers. They just destroyed him.
Because real life is nothing like the movie you just watched. That marine drill sergeant fought back and got stomped for it. [Considered making a joke involving weapons timers and burning back to the gate but thought better of it] |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22209
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:28:00 -
[89] - Quote
Rhivre wrote:I hear that as soon as you jump through a gate, you get ganked, and that everyone always steals all your stuff and screws you over...no wonder players are put off by hearing this....if it were actually true then the population of afkers in eve would be way lower and we would have no freight transport services, and I would probably be much richer through collateral payouts. No question, I'm not advocating to make high sec saver, though... if anything, I'm think that all mindless/risk free activities should be looked over, be it ganking OR afk mining... they are both symptoms of the same, basic design flaw EVE suffers from.
...the game deserves it's public reputation, but that's only in part the communities fault. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
953
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:29:00 -
[90] - Quote
I wish CCP would do something about the idiots in highsec and ban them from posting on the forums. |
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Clyde Belvar
Ambition..
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:42:00 -
[91] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:This game is becoming unplayable because of ganking happening right now. 2 years ago when i started playing with my main char i didn't see nearly as much ganking as it is now.I was on my eve brake for 4 months,now recently i came back and game is completely changed,which shows that there is a serious problem of people exploiting game mechanics. Now you see gankers everywhere,ganking mission runners,ganking miners,setting up gate camps in cheap ass ships in hisec and camping stations all day. You are not even safe in pod since there will be some ass who will kill you anyways. This character i made for trading and manifacturing,now i can't even move my stuff around because i know someone will probably gank me,it doesn't matter what ship i fly,indie freighter they can be shot down in seconds,and i am never autopiloting. I lost more isk in 4 days then my main char lost in 2 years living in lowsec nullsec and wh's,how can it be right?
Worse thing is that there are no consequences for gankers,yeah they might get kill right on them,but they will undock in shuttle and get it off. Gankers should be charged for crime they do,something like 50% of total isk lost they should repay to victim.So if 2 catalysts destroy hulk they wallets go negative 50 mil each,and if they don't have isk wallet goes -50 mil.Why not make ganking more hard?
I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships. Wow, you see I have the total opposite experience. I have been ganked twice in my life when I first started playing Eve and both times it was completely my fault. It was nearly 3 years ago now. Since then I have moved 100's of billions of isk worth of crap thoughout all of Eve, that include all area's of space and I have never lost one ship to gank.. So whilst some say it never been this bad, because of my own experience, I just go along with you were stupid and now are crying about it.
Dude if you got lucky by not being ganked its cool,but don't call someone stupid because he got ganked,in 2 years i was ganked once in last 4 days i was ganked 4 times,is that normal?Check how many corps alliances are doing only ganking now,before there was just goons.Check how many freighters and indies are being killed now.Only thing i am asking is for game to be fair for everyone,why you so against changes on ganking? |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
22
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:42:00 -
[92] - Quote
This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.
You kill me, you should die.
But wait.
You're not just one person, you're two people.
The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.
This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1776
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:50:00 -
[93] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.
You kill me, you should die.
But wait.
You're not just one person, you're two people.
The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.
This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo.
he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22209
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:51:00 -
[94] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.
You kill me, you should die.
But wait.
You're not just one person, you're two people. As I said: One IP per person, and all accounts played from that one IP have the same reputation/sec status... but since CCP profits greatly from mutliboxers, it would never happen. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
22
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:53:00 -
[95] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.
You kill me, you should die.
But wait.
You're not just one person, you're two people.
The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.
This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo. he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker.
Then why aren't people just hiring escorts?
Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely?
If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
22
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:54:00 -
[96] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.
You kill me, you should die.
But wait.
You're not just one person, you're two people. As I said: One IP per person, and all accounts played from that one IP have the same reputation/sec status... but since CCP profits greatly from mutliboxers, it would never happen.
They could still have a friend do it, which is slightly better but still I hope there's a flag put on them.
Just because you didn't kill someone doesn't make you not an accomplice to murder. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
54
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:54:00 -
[97] - Quote
Ganking definitely needs to be looked at, just not in the way these people want. Suspect and criminal tags shouldn't count down while docked. If players can't hide behind CONCORD to stop gankers, gankers shouldn't be able to hide in station to stop players. That's the only thing that needs to change. Cheap, easily replaced ships is the pirate way so those should stay. High DPS able to blow through ships benefits everybody, so keep that for sure. And let those whiners in other MMOs cry about EVE, they're the reason I found this amazing game. |
Babbet Bunny
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:55:00 -
[98] - Quote
Gank the gankers. They are flying untanked ships.
I autopilot through Highsec all the time with either a bubblewrapped PLEX or Trit.
Please play my game ;). Many have gambled.
The looting alts do go suspect, just need an alt there to tackle them.
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
22
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:01:00 -
[99] - Quote
Babbet Bunny wrote:Gank the gankers. They are flying untanked ships.
I autopilot through Highsec all the time with either a bubblewrapped PLEX or Trit.
Please play my game ;). Many have gambled.
The looting alts do go suspect, just need an alt there to tackle them.
So, in conclusion, it's not really broken at all? You're going to die, but you don't have to lose your stuff. |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
956
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:03:00 -
[100] - Quote
Goddamn this is an awwwwwwwwwsooom thread... and this time I brought enough popcorn for everyone. |
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Clyde Belvar
Ambition..
1
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:06:00 -
[101] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Velicitia wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.
You kill me, you should die.
But wait.
You're not just one person, you're two people.
The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.
This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo. he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker. Then why aren't people just hiring escorts? Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely? If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them.
So what you suggesting is for every freighter pilot to hire escorts?Or train more chars for logi supports?Sounds dumb to me |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
260
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:08:00 -
[102] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Velicitia wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.
You kill me, you should die.
But wait.
You're not just one person, you're two people.
The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.
This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo. he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker. Then why aren't people just hiring escorts? Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely? If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them. So what you suggesting is for every freighter pilot to hire escorts?Or train more chars for logi supports?Sounds dumb to me
Yes , cause lets invent a new past time more boring then mining... ESCORTING (unless were talking about the other escorting, didn't know you were into that)
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
27
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:11:00 -
[103] - Quote
I don't often gank.
But when i do, I use my main.
More seriously ganking was easier in the past, not harder. You can't make a huge number of alts without spending more than you would get from just using that RL cash for plex. So you have alts that gank. Then you have kill rights on them etc.
Also IP stuff won't work either. Its trivial to have VPN setting etc so you can have 3-4 different IP numbers. I have 3 from this computer right now.
I got ganked in RL this year. 3 broken ribs and a broken laptop. I got over it. The amount of tears over space pixels is hilarious.
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Winter Archipelago
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
141
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:12:00 -
[104] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap. There's your problem: Highsec isn't safe, there are just consequences for opening fire on someone without having bribed CONCORD to look the other way.
As for not being able to autopilot? I was doing it constantly, even in industrials carrying around 50-100m ISK in cargo, for about a week (moving my base of operations closer to the FW zone, prior to actually joining FW). Never once got shot at, and I probably made around 20 trips.
Not one single problem in over 400 jumps.
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
22
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:14:00 -
[105] - Quote
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Velicitia wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.
You kill me, you should die.
But wait.
You're not just one person, you're two people.
The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.
This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo. he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker. Then why aren't people just hiring escorts? Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely? If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them. So what you suggesting is for every freighter pilot to hire escorts?Or train more chars for logi supports?Sounds dumb to me Yes , cause lets invent a new past time more boring then mining... ESCORTING (unless were talking about the other escorting, didn't know you were into that)
The point is that it WON'T be boring unless you don't NEED an escort. IE, gankers are going to gank. They don't need to know you have an escort until after they shoot you. Or, like they said, the escort could gank the gankers before they get you. Scout ahead, see gankers, kill them, then you go through. Etc.
We can make this fun. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
982
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:16:00 -
[106] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Mythrandier wrote:A gang (I.E multiple people working together, it IS an MMO after all) are always going to win. Off-topic, about a decade ago, I remember reading a story how six gang bangers thought that lone man minding his own business was an easy mark. Afterwards, there were three dead, two hospitalized, and one traumatized. Turned out the lone man was a Marine drill sergeant. dad i told you to stop forwarding these emails
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Karrl Tian
Beers for Tears
227
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:20:00 -
[107] - Quote
It doesn't require any skill or brainpower to PvE in highsec, why should it be the same for kills?
Enjoy your themepark, carebears, you made it what it is today. |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
35
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:28:00 -
[108] - Quote
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships. Nah... it's acttually like: How many potential players never even start the game because of everything they read/hear about it... ...but there are enough people in this game that are completely fine with that, so. *shrugs* 3 of my friends were like "F THAT your a masochist" .. and i had no rebuttal... cause whips and gags and stuff
Sasha Grey sighting *confirmed* |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:30:00 -
[109] - Quote
Mythrandier wrote:Speaking of whichGǪ Is it just me, or does Michiko's avatar look a little bit too much like Sasha Grey to be a coincidence? Hard to tell since Reika Michiko still has clothes on...
...oh facial features? Yes, there is a resemblance. |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
35
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:30:00 -
[110] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Guttripper wrote:Mythrandier wrote:A gang (I.E multiple people working together, it IS an MMO after all) are always going to win. Off-topic, about a decade ago, I remember reading a story how six gang bangers thought that lone man minding his own business was an easy mark. Afterwards, there were three dead, two hospitalized, and one traumatized. Turned out the lone man was a Marine drill sergeant. dad i told you to stop forwarding these emails
Also, Marine Corps Drill Instructor*, not Drill Sergeant [Army] ... and stuff \o/ |
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Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
315
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:37:00 -
[111] - Quote
Lol just fit a tanky punisher and laugh at how you have half armor when you come back from afking. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
54
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:42:00 -
[112] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Velicitia wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.
You kill me, you should die.
But wait.
You're not just one person, you're two people.
The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.
This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo. he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker. Then why aren't people just hiring escorts? Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely? If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them. So what you suggesting is for every freighter pilot to hire escorts?Or train more chars for logi supports?Sounds dumb to me
Actually I like this. We play in a universe akin to the "wild west," so someone riding shotgun makes perfect sense to me. We have transport companies, now we just need armored car companies. +1 for a good idea. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
984
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:45:00 -
[113] - Quote
Look, all I'm saying is that I should be able to autopilot billions in cargo all over highsec between my very important elite PvP engagements. I am very inconvenienced by the type of gameplay some of you are engaged in, here. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
201
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:46:00 -
[114] - Quote
Tears from a vet? Time for a new computer perhaps?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5089
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:46:00 -
[115] - Quote
Xavier Higdon wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Velicitia wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:This part of EVE is actually broken, because of alts.
You kill me, you should die.
But wait.
You're not just one person, you're two people.
The second person swoops in and takes the cargo and salvage, how nice for him, and he is none the worse for wear.
This second person should get a suspect flag so that an escort ship could take him out before he got away with the goods. Right now you can't even do anything about it without getting killed by CONCORD for protecting that cargo. he does (IIRC), unless in fleet or corp with the ganker. Then why aren't people just hiring escorts? Or using their own alts as escorts, more likely? If there's nothing you can do about it that's one thing, it's entirely another thing to simply not get the drop on them. So what you suggesting is for every freighter pilot to hire escorts?Or train more chars for logi supports?Sounds dumb to me Actually I like this. We play in a universe akin to the "wild west," so someone riding shotgun makes perfect sense to me. We have transport companies, now we just need armored car companies. +1 for a good idea. What you really mean by armored car is an ubertanked freighter
concord is the police |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:47:00 -
[116] - Quote
*giggles* |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
22
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:50:00 -
[117] - Quote
Tears for Fears?
Tears in Heaven?
~C'mon baby dry your eyes...~ |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
22
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:51:00 -
[118] - Quote
Yeah, ubertanked freighter just means that you won't get shot at.
And move slower.
I'd rather have an escort kill everything for me. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3047
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:52:00 -
[119] - Quote
Doesn't like low sec empty Blames high sec Ganks high sec to bring threats to them Makes low sec more empty
Ganker logic. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
985
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:54:00 -
[120] - Quote
Oh, and just so we're clear, running anoms in the worst truesec ass-end of Fountain is engaging in elite PvP all over null. |
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LOL BOB111
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:54:00 -
[121] - Quote
I agree with the OP it is kind of ridiculous that you can spend all this time in low/null dealing with actual PvPers, and then once you're back in hisec you have to worry about noob alts in catalysts every time you go near a 0.5 on your way to offload high value stuff. And then we get this new-order code chestbeating crap everywhere that's lamer than an a Provi RPer. IMO the bar for ganking is just a bit too low in terms of SP, isk and organization required. At least when gankers use alpha tornadoes or other battlecruisers they need a bit of SP, and the isk investment is significant enough to require a bit of thoughtful target selection.
Also, the current mechanics involving plastic wrap are in a wierd place, with it being available to anyone, but only if they spend a bunch of time clicking through contracts. But even with gank catas are cheap enough for that to not be much of a deterrent. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
265
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:56:00 -
[122] - Quote
they want your tears. give it to them they'll want more.
but they won't notice you'ce set your CSPA charge to 1,000,000.
shame you can't collect |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
606
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:04:00 -
[123] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote: Dude if you got lucky by not being ganked its cool,but don't call someone stupid because he got ganked,in 2 years i was ganked once in last 4 days i was ganked 4 times,is that normal?Check how many corps alliances are doing only ganking now,before there was just goons.Check how many freighters and indies are being killed now.Only thing i am asking is for game to be fair for everyone,why you so against changes on ganking?
I wouldn't say stupid, but obviously you are doing something wrong. I too have been ganked, once. Then I learned all about how he did it... from him. He was a super nice guy. Now I routinely ship hundreds of millions in sleeper loot to hisec hubs and never get ganked.
If you don't want to get ganked, there are a few simple things you can do to reduce the risk to almost 0. What you first have to do is learn the tactics of your enemy. How do they spot targets, what ships and weapons do they use and how many gankers does it take to kill X ehp. The gankers have all long since worked this out. They did the homework. If you are unwilling to do your share of the homework, how can you expect to be safe from them? |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
293
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:04:00 -
[124] - Quote
I've seen some ganks. I've heard raeg on comms when corpie afk'd his hauler with loki hulls n subs, got ganked in Bereye. I've disco-phooned and read the waves of hatemails from people who 'don't care'but want to tell me i'm a bad person. But nothing is as violent as reading an Infinity Ziona thread where he gets shot to slivers by anyone with half a clue and the slightest insight. It's terrible. Terrible.
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Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
62
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:04:00 -
[125] - Quote
The problem with suicide ganking is that it happens in an instant. The victim is literally unable to do anything about the fact he's getting suicide ganked once it has started. You can't try to maneuver back to the gate or get out of point range, you're literally dead within seconds. This is due to Concord's mechanics as they'll blap the gankers in 5 seconds, so the gankers will try to blap you in less than that.
The solution would probably be to somehow decrease all damage taken from gankers by like 75%, decrease Concord damage by like 75%, and have a running battle that occurs when a gank commences. It allows the miner/freighter to do some last minute actions that may save them, it provides time for neutrals in system to save the ganked freighter/miner, and maybe the ganker would be able to escape Concord's point if they did not kill any target. (Concord would point anybody who has aggressed, but only infini-point the person who had the final blow)
It should also emphasize decent fits on gankers because crappy t1 destroyer fits will still get blown out of the water in a couple of seconds, but real fits with tank and not jsut gank will survive longer to put out decent DPS.
Crimewatch also needs a look at. So a ganker can't kill someone and be neutral 20 minutes later to kill someone else. It should have a lasting mark on your record. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
988
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:09:00 -
[126] - Quote
LOL BOB111 wrote:I agree with the OP it is kind of ridiculous that you can spend all this time in low/null dealing with actual PvPers,
The OP spends all his time in null running anoms in CFC jumpover country so highsec gankers are probably the only "real pvpers" that take much of an interest in him.
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:13:00 -
[127] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
A full t2 Catalyst with 700 DPS cost about 2 months training and a 50-100 million pod if I'm not mistaken, a T2 catalyst costs around 10 million isk. 2 months of dedicated training, 50-100 million on implants and ship prices at 10 million. That's not horribly cheap or low skill in my book.
And for your information: when destroyers were buffed to the point that you indeed could rip through a barge with a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt, barges were buffed with more EHP. Sure, if you go full untanked (or ANTI-tanked with stuff such as cargohold extenders which really don't have any place on a mingin ship anymore) yield hulk in 0.5, a t1 cata is still able to blow you out of space. If you choose to get a full tanked Skiff however, you're going to need about 10 full t2 cata's in 0.5.
It's not like you don't have a choice. Same goes with your autopiloting a shuttle. A freakin' shuttle! The most paperthin way of traveling save doing it in you bare pod and you are upset/surprised you didn't make it, hm.... There is a reason why CCP never made the autopilot just warp to 0 but it lands you 15 km of the gate. That reason is risk. You want the convenience of traveling AFK? Sure, but it'll be riskier than manually flying your ship.
Being a 2008 player, I've only seen hi sec become much safer in general. No need for can mining, L4 missioning in very high sec sytems, being able to fit a battleship tank on your mining boat and STILL have decent yield and so on and so on. I really don't see what's there to complain about.... |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
265
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:17:00 -
[128] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:It's not like you don't have a choice. Same goes with your autopiloting a shuttle. A freakin' shuttle! The most paperthin way of traveling save doing it in you bare pod and you are upset/surprised you didn't make it, hm.... There is a reason why CCP never made the autopilot just warp to 0 but it lands you 15 km of the gate. That reason is risk. You want the convenience of traveling AFK? Sure, but it'll be riskier than manually flying your ship.
basically you watch netflix while manually jumping to escape the people watching netflix trying to kill you.
I suppose my interest in this is not neccesarily making highsec nice and safe for me but maybe getting a chance to pee/eat before resuming my unblinking stare upon the redeemer.
maybe i'll lose weight though |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
607
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:20:00 -
[129] - Quote
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:The problem with suicide ganking is that it happens in an instant. The victim is literally unable to do anything about the fact he's getting suicide ganked once it has started....
He should have done something about it before he undocked. The gankers did all the work beforehand to set up the hit. Most victims think of the fight as starting when the ganker locks and presses F1. In reality, the fight is over at that point, the only thing left is rolling to dice to see what loot drops. The fight started several minutes before that, its just the victims didn't realize it.
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Digits Kho
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
12
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:25:00 -
[130] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
If you died that means the killers had more brain and skill than you . Simple |
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Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:28:00 -
[131] - Quote
i wanted to make a thread about this, but i can as well reply to this, i think some should try read and actually understand what OP is saying...
Highsec shouldent be idiot safe, thats not what OP is saying, the problem is the corsepondance of what doing crimes in highsec entails, if you do it, you get punished, and the punishment should allways be in such a way that it actually hurts, and not just for those that just have started playing the game, wich points us back to what OP is trying to say... there is no punishment in highsec, if you have the means to cover the looses, for suicide ganks, wich makes the whole idea with, you >should< get punished in highsec if you violate its rules, void
Make a idiot proof system, and someone will invent a better idiot ! |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22209
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:28:00 -
[132] - Quote
Digits Kho wrote:If you died that means the killers had more brain and skill than you . Simple Oh, if that only was true... in EVE or IRL. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
478
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:28:00 -
[133] - Quote
OP, ganking is viable style of gameplay in PVP environment. I learned it from other PVP oriented games with open PVP world. You can't change that. Yes, high sec is PVP arena too. Kind of special arena.
In AOC we had whole raids clashing in Kheshatta and other areas. Fighting for dominance over the area. Spawn ganking was common sight. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4318
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:33:00 -
[134] - Quote
WAAAHHHWAAAHHH I GOT KILLED WAAAHHH
Alternatively:
WAAAAHHHH WAAAAHHHH YOU DUNNO HOW TO PLAY THE GAME RIGHT WWAAAAAHHHH
Or:
WAAAAHHH CCP Y U NO MAKE GOOD GAME FOR US LOSERS WAAAHHHH |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
988
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:34:00 -
[135] - Quote
Fey Ivory wrote:i wanted to make a thread about this, but i can as well reply to this, i think some should try read and actually understand what OP is saying...
Highsec shouldent be idiot safe, thats not what OP is saying,
But it is. The OP wants to autopilot billions of isk worth of cargo all over empire. That's idiotic. |
Digits Kho
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
13
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:37:00 -
[136] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Digits Kho wrote:If you died that means the killers had more brain and skill than you . Simple Oh, if that only was true... in EVE or IRL. Sir, most ships in eve are lost due to mistakes / laziness / inattentiveness |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:37:00 -
[137] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: If I recall correctly, spawning concord on top of yourself to use them as protection is not allowed. Which is hilarious.
It's one of those things that aren't completely clear. Years ago I saw some CCP employee claiming ANY manipulation of CONCORD was illegal but I've seen different rulings since that one.
Even if it isn't legal, who's going to keep track so *shrugz*. |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:48:00 -
[138] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Fey Ivory wrote:i wanted to make a thread about this, but i can as well reply to this, i think some should try read and actually understand what OP is saying...
Highsec shouldent be idiot safe, thats not what OP is saying,
But it is. The OP wants to autopilot billions of isk worth of cargo all over empire. That's idiotic.
im not going to comment on using auto pilot , lets just say its a feature i never ewer use... The issue really is that if you have the means, like your organisation and many other organisations in EvE, you can bascially ignore the punishment that should come with suicide ganking in highsec
It is said that Alexander the great cried, tears of salt, when he realiced there were no more worlds to conquer... hats of to you goons, unlike many i think you guys spice up this game, and add a alive factor, but that said, high sec, should allways be rigid and have that punishment, and it should hurt ALL equally, no matter what, its needed for EvE. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22209
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:55:00 -
[139] - Quote
Digits Kho wrote:Sir, most ships in eve are lost due to mistakes / laziness / inattentiveness Sir...
I'm not saying that isn't true... what I'm saying is: The market is changing, and gamers are changing... folks like Solstice may not really care about that, but the small and "cozy" playerbase CCP has gathered here will not be forever, and the way the game is right now, I don't see much new blood coming to fill the ranks. |
March rabbit
True Horde
858
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:06:00 -
[140] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
A full t2 Catalyst with 700 DPS cost about 2 months training and a 50-100 million pod if I'm not mistaken, a T2 catalyst costs around 10 million isk. 2 months of dedicated training, 50-100 million on implants and ship prices at 10 million. That's not horribly cheap or low skill in my book.
i prepared my alt in spare time for like 2-3 weeks. He had 2 +3 implants (for training) and one for +3% for damage (i could be wrong but i think i didn't insert it after all). And he was able to make like 700DPS from T2 Catalyst.
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
271
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:36:00 -
[141] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
A full t2 Catalyst with 700 DPS cost about 2 months training and a 50-100 million pod if I'm not mistaken, a T2 catalyst costs around 10 million isk. 2 months of dedicated training, 50-100 million on implants and ship prices at 10 million. That's not horribly cheap or low skill in my book.
2months of training is probably about what your average same-account cyno alt has. That is a low bar. And you don't necessarily need it to be that highly trained either. At 10m isk a catalyst, taking down a freighter or orca is quite cheap. And at that rate you don't exactly have to be carrying a particularly valuable cargo to be a target. Some of the freighters killed in Niarja last month had under 1.5bn total in cargo. If you land one decent kill on some guy with 4bn in cargo that essentially buys you enough catalysts that you can go out and start ganking plastic-wrapped courier freighters just to go fishing. Actually, you can do this anyway, because 10m per catalyst makes ganking even an empty freighter not such a hard thing. |
Bruce Kemp
The Tuskers
59
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:38:00 -
[142] - Quote
Eve is a player vs player game, did you not know this? |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
777
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:38:00 -
[143] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
Hate to say it, but you don't get EvE..... |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1609
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:39:00 -
[144] - Quote
"Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?"
Sure, you can suicide gank them.
DOHOHOHOHOHOHO |
Serptimis
Balls Deep Inc.
184
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:39:00 -
[145] - Quote
The solution to this problem is simple. Offensive modules should no longer be allowed to be activated in high Sec. You're welcome. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1777
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:43:00 -
[146] - Quote
Serptimis wrote:The solution to this problem is simple. Offensive modules should no longer be allowed to be activated in high Sec. You're welcome.
notsureifserious.jpg
seriously, that idea is terrible. |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:44:00 -
[147] - Quote
While ganking is pretty damn fun, I honestly believe it hurts the long term prospects of the game. I have seen so many newbs rage quit. I had one guy who joined a mining corp I had, he had four accounts, got one of his retrievers ganked once and he never really logged in again. Hell I was mad because I was grooming the guy and showing him the ropes. lol He didn't even hang around to talk about how to tank his ship. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12266
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:45:00 -
[148] - Quote
Let nature take its course. Foolish lazy people lose ships in high sec, nbs. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8428
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:47:00 -
[149] - Quote
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:While ganking is pretty damn fun, I honestly believe it hurts the long term prospects of the game. I have seen so many newbs rage quit. I had one guy who joined a mining corp I had, he had four accounts, got one of his retrievers ganked once and he never really logged in again. Hell I was mad because I was grooming the guy and showing him the ropes. lol He didn't even hang around to talk about how to tank his ship.
Yet EVE has done nothing but grow. If ganking was going to kill EVE it would have done so in 2003. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
161
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:49:00 -
[150] - Quote
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:While ganking is pretty damn fun, I honestly believe it hurts the long term prospects of the game. I have seen so many newbs rage quit. I had one guy who joined a mining corp I had, he had four accounts, got one of his retrievers ganked once and he never really logged in again. Hell I was mad because I was grooming the guy and showing him the ropes. lol He didn't even hang around to talk about how to tank his ship.
Yes, from the release of EvE, to allow the ganking of others has be detrimental to the player base. :condi: |
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1611
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:51:00 -
[151] - Quote
People trapped in boring and pointless "hisec gameplay" due to CCP's inability to transition the average gamer out of their themepark comfort zone is what strangles Eve's growth. Suicide ganking and wardecs etc, just speed up the decision process for those who will leave anyway and those who will be shocked out of their "push button for candy" gameplay stupor. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
334
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:52:00 -
[152] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space
You are not safe.
If you desire safety in your pvp MMO experience may I suggest World of Warcraft
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
249
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:53:00 -
[153] - Quote
This forum is not the appropriate place for tears, please fill out this handy form and submit with a petition to CCP.
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John XIII
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
43
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:57:00 -
[154] - Quote
I like the part where the OP wants protection from people playing the game while not playing the game himself.
+1, will recommend this cutting-edge idea to others. |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:57:00 -
[155] - Quote
Baaldor wrote:Yes, from the release of EvE, to allow the ganking of others has be detrimental to the player base. :condi:
The size of the player base is comical.
Don't get me wrong, I like the game as it is. It is very entertaining to a narrow audience. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
272
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:58:00 -
[156] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:People trapped in boring and pointless "hisec gameplay" due to CCP's inability to transition the average gamer out of their themepark comfort zone is what strangles Eve's growth. Suicide ganking and wardecs etc, just speed up the decision process for those who will leave anyway and those who will be shocked out of their "push button for candy" gameplay stupor.
What if you're just a nullsec logistics alt that wants to afk your freighter while you're on a roam with your buddies? Hisec is a lot more than miners and missions runners. |
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
133
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:59:00 -
[157] - Quote
Respect.
To OP. I honestly think you have a tremendous misunderstanding about most of the game EVE. The talk about safe space etc... is nothing but a failure on your part to understand the surroundings in which you find yourself.
Take this time to learn what EVE is "really" about or just leave now and save yourself the grief of the repeated targeted deaths you will endure for making this terribly absurd thread. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8428
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:03:00 -
[158] - Quote
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Baaldor wrote:Yes, from the release of EvE, to allow the ganking of others has be detrimental to the player base. :condi: The size of the player base is comical. Don't get me wrong, I like the game as it is. It is very entertaining to a narrow audience.
EVE is the only MMO to do nothing but grow for a decade. |
Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
159
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:05:00 -
[159] - Quote
I don't always get ganked but when I do I'm not in station. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1613
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:07:00 -
[160] - Quote
Batelle wrote:What if you're just a nullsec logistics alt that wants to afk your freighter while you're on a roam with your buddies?
Uhhhh...you suck it up? There isn't exactly a huge swathe of people who survive comfortably in nullsec but can't get some goods moved safely around hisec. Your example isn't representative of any substantial number of players.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3395
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:07:00 -
[161] - Quote
Serptimis wrote:The solution to this problem is simple. Offensive modules should no longer be allowed to be activated in high Sec. You're welcome. Think for a second what you are blabbering about. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
24
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:09:00 -
[162] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Baaldor wrote:Yes, from the release of EvE, to allow the ganking of others has be detrimental to the player base. :condi: The size of the player base is comical. Don't get me wrong, I like the game as it is. It is very entertaining to a narrow audience. EVE is the only MMO to do nothing but grow for a decade.
Isn't that because there's no policy against alts?
EVE - The Game One Guy Plays |
Waldorf T Beagle
The Groucho Club
0
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:15:00 -
[163] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:While ganking is pretty damn fun, I honestly believe it hurts the long term prospects of the game. I have seen so many newbs rage quit. I had one guy who joined a mining corp I had, he had four accounts, got one of his retrievers ganked once and he never really logged in again. Hell I was mad because I was grooming the guy and showing him the ropes. lol He didn't even hang around to talk about how to tank his ship. Yet EVE has done nothing but grow. If ganking was going to kill EVE it would have done so in 2003.
The player base has not grown since 2009: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
As noob who signed up to take a look while I wait for elite dangerous, my 2p is that the OP is correct about game mechanics. It is too heavily weighted towards destruction. It takes months of skill training and investment to do anything constructive but a brand new alt can destroy things instantly with no downside.
Also I realise that nullsec is CCP's reward to long term players, but for new players it's basically pointless. There is zero chance of dislodging the people already there and the only way to survive in it is to join a corp, but frankly I can be ordered about by some jerk in real life, I don't need it in a game too.
I can't say I've had any trouble in hisec but a basic fix for over-ganking might be to put a kill timer on after you're killed by concord so that you (and your alts) couldn't play for, say, 15 minutes.
IMO a better long term fix would be to ban alts altogether. Then there would be an incentive for self preservation (ie the reason you don't go round shooting people in real life is because you only get one life). Unfortunately selling extra chars seems to be a main part of CCP's business model now so I doubt that's ever going happen. |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
107
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:21:00 -
[164] - Quote
The tears in this thread are goddamn delicious. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
996
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:25:00 -
[165] - Quote
Waldorf T Beagle wrote:baltec1 wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:While ganking is pretty damn fun, I honestly believe it hurts the long term prospects of the game. I have seen so many newbs rage quit. I had one guy who joined a mining corp I had, he had four accounts, got one of his retrievers ganked once and he never really logged in again. Hell I was mad because I was grooming the guy and showing him the ropes. lol He didn't even hang around to talk about how to tank his ship. Yet EVE has done nothing but grow. If ganking was going to kill EVE it would have done so in 2003. The player base has not grown since 2009: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilityAs noob who signed up to take a look while I wait for elite dangerous, my 2p is that the OP is correct about game mechanics. It is too heavily weighted towards destruction. It takes months of skill training and investment to do anything constructive but a brand new alt can destroy things instantly with no downside. Also I realise that nullsec is CCP's reward to long term players, but for new players it's basically pointless. There is zero chance of dislodging the people already there and the only way to survive in it is to join a corp, but frankly I can be ordered about by some jerk in real life, I don't need it in a game too. I can't say I've had any trouble in hisec but a basic fix for over-ganking might be to put a kill timer on after you're killed by concord so that you (and your alts) couldn't play for, say, 15 minutes. IMO a better long term fix would be to ban alts altogether. Then there would be an incentive for self preservation (ie the reason you don't go round shooting people in real life is because you only get one life). Unfortunately selling extra chars seems to be a main part of CCP's business model now so I doubt that's ever going happen.
Whoever told you all the things you think you know about this game is an idiot and you should never listen to them again.
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
24
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:27:00 -
[166] - Quote
I think it's sad that a number of people just want to make other people cry. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:27:00 -
[167] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:i prepared my alt in spare time for like 2-3 weeks. He had 2 +3 implants (for training) and one for +3% for damage (i could be wrong but i think i didn't insert it after all). And he was able to make like 700DPS from T2 Catalyst. "like" 700 dps but not 700DPS I reckon. Full t2 cata needs fitting implants too even. If you somehow managed to do this all without 2 months and implants plz share :P
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Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:28:00 -
[168] - Quote
Waldorf T Beagle wrote: The player base has not grown since 2009: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilityAs noob who signed up to take a look while I wait for elite dangerous, my 2p is that the OP is correct about game mechanics. It is too heavily weighted towards destruction. It takes months of skill training and investment to do anything constructive but a brand new alt can destroy things instantly with no downside. Also I realise that nullsec is CCP's reward to long term players, but for new players it's basically pointless. There is zero chance of dislodging the people already there and the only way to survive in it is to join a corp, but frankly I can be ordered about by some jerk in real life, I don't need it in a game too. I can't say I've had any trouble in hisec but a basic fix for over-ganking might be to put a kill timer on after you're killed by concord so that you (and your alts) couldn't play for, say, 15 minutes. IMO a better long term fix would be to ban alts altogether. Then there would be an incentive for self preservation (ie the reason you don't go round shooting people in real life is because you only get one life). Unfortunately selling extra chars seems to be a main part of CCP's business model now so I doubt that's ever going happen.
Most of this stuff is nothing more than you showing just how much you DO NOT UNDERSTAND about this game and how it really works mate.
No wonder you are not having a good time, you have failed to understand your surroundings and the rules that govern this world. Oh well more casualties of war......
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
24
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:30:00 -
[169] - Quote
I love the way you say he doesn't understand and then fail to provide an alternate explanation. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8429
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:32:00 -
[170] - Quote
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/12/17/in-an-age-of-f2p-eve-online-sets-records/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/28/eve-online-hits-500-000-subscribers-heads-into-second-decade/
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1613
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:33:00 -
[171] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:I love the way you say he doesn't understand and then fail to provide an alternate explanation.
An alternate explanation to what?
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
24
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:36:00 -
[172] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I love the way you say he doesn't understand and then fail to provide an alternate explanation. An alternate explanation to what?
How the game works. |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1889
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:36:00 -
[173] - Quote
Waldorf T Beagle wrote:baltec1 wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:While ganking is pretty damn fun, I honestly believe it hurts the long term prospects of the game. I have seen so many newbs rage quit. I had one guy who joined a mining corp I had, he had four accounts, got one of his retrievers ganked once and he never really logged in again. Hell I was mad because I was grooming the guy and showing him the ropes. lol He didn't even hang around to talk about how to tank his ship. Yet EVE has done nothing but grow. If ganking was going to kill EVE it would have done so in 2003. The player base has not grown since 2009: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
WRONG |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
265
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:38:00 -
[174] - Quote
juxtapose this next to the do you need alts thread and how many subs eve has looks fairly irrelevant to the actual size of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4811
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:41:00 -
[175] - Quote
Quote:No I haven't been ganked but its annoying
Quote:I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.
Wait... what?
Obvious troll is painfully obvious. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1613
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:41:00 -
[176] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:
An alternate explanation to what?
How the game works.
He didn't explain "how the game works".
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:44:00 -
[177] - Quote
[quote=Batelle] 2months of training is probably about what your average same-account cyno alt has. That is a low bar. And you don't necessarily need it to be that highly trained either. At 10m isk a catalyst, taking down a freighter or orca is quite cheap. And at that rate you don't exactly have to be carrying a particularly valuable cargo to be a target. Some of the freighters killed in Niarja last month had under 1.5bn total in cargo. If you land one decent kill on some guy with 4bn in cargo that essentially buys you enough catalysts that you can go out and start ganking plastic-wrapped courier freighters just to go fishing. Actually, you can do this anyway, because 10m per catalyst makes ganking even an empty freighter not such a hard thing.
At the moment it seems freighters are too slow, expensive, and vulnerable to fully use their massive cargo space. Half of 1.5 bn is enough to fund 2 additional freighter ganks.
Question: does having a -10.0 sec status cause problems? ie if you undock and warp directly to the tara]
I dunno but 2 months of training is what I'd call pretty significant. Not something I throw around lightly. And yes, for full t2 cata's 700+dps you do need to train that highly. If you don't you simply need more ships, which is more effort, more planning and organising and since you need more ppl it has a bigger chance that somebody cocks up and the gank fails.
Does going -10 cause problems? I would say yes. Does it mean you can't gank when -10? No, it just makes it a hell of a lot harder... |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:52:00 -
[178] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Does going -10 cause problems? I would say yes. Does it mean you can't gank when -10? No, it just makes it a hell of a lot harder...
not really, they use alts to set up the kill and then warp to them. if they use instawarp bookmarks on undock and warp to 0 on gates they're not going to get popped. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
24
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:52:00 -
[179] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:
An alternate explanation to what?
How the game works. He didn't explain "how the game works".
Since you argued with him that he has no understanding, but refused to correct that understanding, I'll just assume you have no idea what you're talking about, because it's easier than trying to get a straight answer out of you. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:55:00 -
[180] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Does going -10 cause problems? I would say yes. Does it mean you can't gank when -10? No, it just makes it a hell of a lot harder... not really, they use alts to set up the kill and then warp to them. if they use instawarp bookmarks on undock and warp to 0 on gates they're not going to get popped. Yes, setting up alts in position, making instwarp undocks and correctly executing the gank b4 FP pops you don't make it harder or more work AT ALL!!!
Oh wait.... |
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
439
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:01:00 -
[181] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs. So you got an express ticket to where you wanted to go anyway. Nothing to complain about. Whoever did it, could have charged you for the service .
Thinking about it. Don't tell me you didn't set your clone to somewhere in Jita. Not you. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:01:00 -
[182] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Does going -10 cause problems? I would say yes. Does it mean you can't gank when -10? No, it just makes it a hell of a lot harder... not really, they use alts to set up the kill and then warp to them. if they use instawarp bookmarks on undock and warp to 0 on gates they're not going to get popped. Yes, setting up alts in position, making instwarp undocks and correctly executing the gank b4 FP pops you don't make it harder or more work AT ALL!!! Oh wait....
quite obviously the alt does all that and the -10 alts just need to move at best speed. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
597
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:01:00 -
[183] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:baltec1 wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Baaldor wrote:Yes, from the release of EvE, to allow the ganking of others has be detrimental to the player base. :condi: The size of the player base is comical. Don't get me wrong, I like the game as it is. It is very entertaining to a narrow audience. EVE is the only MMO to do nothing but grow for a decade. Isn't that because there's no policy against alts? EVE - The Game One Guy Plays
The blessings of Chribba be upon you. We are all one with Chribba, and Chribba is one with us all. Walk in the light, fellow "alt" of His Enlightenedness. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3172
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:03:00 -
[184] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: Does going -10 cause problems? I would say yes. Does it mean you can't gank when -10? No, it just makes it a hell of a lot harder...
How much harder?
Getting into high sec requires jumping through a gate in a pod. (not so hard to do) Ganking requires getting into a ship, warping to fleet and shooting.( I'd like to think that's not a problem or difficult)
No: Being negative ten is no barrier whatsoever for anything short of running missions. But -10's don't come into high sec to run missions, do they?
Mr Epeen
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Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:05:00 -
[185] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:I love the way you say he doesn't understand and then fail to provide an alternate explanation.
Reading the first few lines of what he wrote showed he has a serious misunderstanding of EVE. Frankly I have zero obligation to hand hold him through the process of understanding why since he is already firm in his misguided beliefs.
Anyway more cannon fodder for my lazors lol. |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
67
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:16:00 -
[186] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:I think it's sad that a number of people just want to make other people cry.
I think it's sadder that people cry over a video game. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:16:00 -
[187] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
quite obviously the alt does all that and the -10 alts just need to move at best speed.
Yes, and the fact that anyone can attack you as soon as you land on grid doesn't make it any harder too right? Especially not on busy gates or in the middle of huge mining fleets.
Landing on top of something that is moving at (several) 100 m/s is a problem too. Ofcourse you can try to compensate for that by positioning your alt ahead of the target but I would certainly call that 'making it harder'. It's not just harder cuz of the effort you have to put in, it's also harder cuz of the very tiny margin of error. You have to do all these things right or you fail the gank and manage to redock without losing your ship and pod at best, at worst you fail the gank and lose your ship and pod.
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
27
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:19:00 -
[188] - Quote
Galen Darksmith wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I think it's sad that a number of people just want to make other people cry. I think it's sadder that people cry over a video game.
That is pretty sad, but I don't know anybody who actually cries over a video game. So you get pixel tears? |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:21:00 -
[189] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: Does going -10 cause problems? I would say yes. Does it mean you can't gank when -10? No, it just makes it a hell of a lot harder...
How much harder? Getting into high sec requires jumping through a gate in a pod. (not so hard to do) Ganking requires getting into a ship, warping to fleet and shooting.( I'd like to think that's not a problem or difficult) No: Being negative ten is no barrier whatsoever for anything short of running missions. But -10's don't come into high sec to run missions, do they? I'm pretty sure you could even run missions, you just have to make a bunch of bookmarks that keeps you bouncing between the mission grid and your bookmarks every 30 seconds or something. Clearly, this is completely safe and does not make things harder!
/carebear logic |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1114
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:24:00 -
[190] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
If killing other players in highsec doesn't require skill, brains, and risk then why aren't more people doing it? We do work pretty damn hard to make sure things die in highsec, usually it means ensuring 10+ people do something correctly. That's not easy at all especially consider we are terrible at EVE. We lose sec status, our ship, our ability to fly safely in highsec, and risk our implants to do this. Lets not forget that suicide ganking is the most nerfed activity/profession in the entirety of EVE and that the people who make the game are for some reason forbidden from doing it. |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2111
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:37:00 -
[191] - Quote
Hey look, I went to sleep, and when I woke up we're on page 10... Johnny please send me an evemail to remind me to +1 everyone who added value here when I have the time. I see lots of tears and laughter. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:37:00 -
[192] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
quite obviously the alt does all that and the -10 alts just need to move at best speed.
Yes, and the fact that anyone can attack you as soon as you land on grid doesn't make it any harder too right? Especially not on busy gates or in the middle of huge mining fleets. Landing on top of something that is moving at (several) 100 m/s is a problem too. Ofcourse you can try to compensate for that by positioning your alt ahead of the target but I would certainly call that 'making it harder'. It's not just harder cuz of the effort you have to put in, it's also harder cuz of the very tiny margin of error. You have to do all these things right or you fail the gank and manage to redock without losing your ship and pod at best, at worst you fail the gank and lose your ship and pod.
why would you lose your pod in highsec?
you might leave red faced and LOLled at in local but since you intended to lose the entirely disposable spaceship anyway it's no big deal. there's no margin of error involving travel anywhere outside of high sec and getting a 'solution' for landing on your own alt within optimal of a noncombat vessel is pretty trivial, sorry. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:52:00 -
[193] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
quite obviously the alt does all that and the -10 alts just need to move at best speed.
Yes, and the fact that anyone can attack you as soon as you land on grid doesn't make it any harder too right? Especially not on busy gates or in the middle of huge mining fleets. Landing on top of something that is moving at (several) 100 m/s is a problem too. Ofcourse you can try to compensate for that by positioning your alt ahead of the target but I would certainly call that 'making it harder'. It's not just harder cuz of the effort you have to put in, it's also harder cuz of the very tiny margin of error. You have to do all these things right or you fail the gank and manage to redock without losing your ship and pod at best, at worst you fail the gank and lose your ship and pod. why would you lose your pod in highsec? you might leave red faced and LOLled at in local but since you intended to lose the entirely disposable spaceship anyway it's no big deal. there's no margin of error involving travel anywhere outside of high sec and getting a 'solution' for landing on your own alt within optimal of a noncombat vessel is pretty trivial, sorry.
Lag, dc, misclicks. The fact simply is that being to be shot at by anyone ALL the time simply makes things harder, as does being chased down by FP.
You have to be fast and accurate with a -10. Failing to do so will fail you ganks you would not fail when at higher sec status.
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Renegade Heart
The MIneral Munchers
16
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:58:00 -
[194] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Landing on top of something that is moving at (several) 100 m/s is a problem too.
In my limited experience of ganking, it's rare that miners figure out to orbit a can to prevent being bumped away while AFK. In fact, one dude I ganked, I bumped for few minutes trying to get a reaction. And then I stopped to see if he was alert. Ship speed went back down to 0 m/s.
At this point it was clear he was AFK so I felt justified in teaching him a lesson
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:06:00 -
[195] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Landing on top of something that is moving at (several) 100 m/s is a problem too. In my limited experience of ganking, it's rare that miners figure out to orbit a can to prevent being bumped away while AFK. In fact, one dude I ganked, I bumped for few minutes trying to get a reaction. And then I stopped to see if he was alert. Ship speed went back down to 0 m/s. At this point it was clear he was AFK so I felt justified in teaching him a lesson Most are completely ignorant when it comes to orbiting indeed. But autopiloting travelers also move. A shuttle moves at 500/600 ms a second, that's harder to compensate for, it takes long to lock. I'd be much more comfortable doing it in a higher sec stat char than warping in a -10 while multiboxing. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3231
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:08:00 -
[196] - Quote
Waldorf T Beagle wrote:baltec1 wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:While ganking is pretty damn fun, I honestly believe it hurts the long term prospects of the game. I have seen so many newbs rage quit. I had one guy who joined a mining corp I had, he had four accounts, got one of his retrievers ganked once and he never really logged in again. Hell I was mad because I was grooming the guy and showing him the ropes. lol He didn't even hang around to talk about how to tank his ship. Yet EVE has done nothing but grow. If ganking was going to kill EVE it would have done so in 2003. The player base has not grown since 2009: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilityAs noob who signed up to take a look while I wait for elite dangerous, my 2p is that the OP is correct about game mechanics. It is too heavily weighted towards destruction. It takes months of skill training and investment to do anything constructive but a brand new alt can destroy things instantly with no downside. Also I realise that nullsec is CCP's reward to long term players, but for new players it's basically pointless. There is zero chance of dislodging the people already there and the only way to survive in it is to join a corp, but frankly I can be ordered about by some jerk in real life, I don't need it in a game too. I can't say I've had any trouble in hisec but a basic fix for over-ganking might be to put a kill timer on after you're killed by concord so that you (and your alts) couldn't play for, say, 15 minutes. IMO a better long term fix would be to ban alts altogether. Then there would be an incentive for self preservation (ie the reason you don't go round shooting people in real life is because you only get one life). Unfortunately selling extra chars seems to be a main part of CCP's business model now so I doubt that's ever going happen.
Translation, "I shouldn't be playing EVE in the 1st place, but since I am let me tell you what's wrong with it".
The real point of this thread if that many high sec people (ie the video game players who can't play a video game abuot space ships and guns with being in space protected by game mechanics ie CONCORD) can't deal with the harsh reality of the game.
Been playing since 2007, not been ganked ONCE. Did lose a jump frieghter from flying drunk during a war dec, and have survived 2 gank attempts because unlike these useless high sec slugs I actually tanked the hauler carrying an officer mod or other valuable loot. But never once ganked.
If you get ganked in EVE online when it's so easily avoidable (if your not somone who feels entitled to move trillions of isk in unarmed ships, fly blinged out mssion boats are go for "max yield" on mining ship), it's no one's fault but your own. |
Ryhss
135
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:26:00 -
[197] - Quote
To Be Me wrote:Yes you said it right, this is eve online.. Now dont expect it to be rainbow pokemon 2.
And its in the deep roots of eve to fear when you click "connect". You arent supposed to think this is a normal fair game, it is not.
You see ccp permabanned 4 of my accounts for some stupid thing and i didnt cry.
Now go shed your tears away on your moms shoulders
ps: you should also need skills and brains to fit a proper tank in your badger. Same rules applied. Um, learn to read for fraks sake. He said(multiple times), that he wasn't ganked. I agree with him, most current gankers have no skill. They pic on defenseless(drones don't count) ships. No pvp skills at ll in these type of kills. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:27:00 -
[198] - Quote
I got ganked AFK mining.
I no long AFK mine.
Lesson learned. |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:32:00 -
[199] - Quote
What on earth are you on about? No one's going to gank your frigate or shuttle unless you're carrying something worth stealing. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:38:00 -
[200] - Quote
Carmen Electra wrote:What on earth are you on about? No one's going to gank your frigate or shuttle unless you're carrying something worth stealing.
oh it happens. i can't post the KM because of 'rules.'
you can eve-kill me and find it though. most pitiful bounty payout ever lol. |
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:41:00 -
[201] - Quote
Yeah, ganking just for being AFK is totally a thing. |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:43:00 -
[202] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:What on earth are you on about? No one's going to gank your frigate or shuttle unless you're carrying something worth stealing. oh it happens. i can't post the KM because of 'rules.' you can eve-kill me and find it though. most pitiful bounty payout ever lol.
Of course there are rare instances of someone getting bored and deciding they want to pew something random and gankable, but for the most part, you can autopilot in high sec without getting ganked as long as there's no interesting modules or cargo. As an experiment, hop in an empty shuttle & clone and just set a 100 jump route through high sec. I'd be willing to bet you make it to your destination safely. It's not a 100% thing, but chances are still pretty good.
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GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:45:00 -
[203] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:EVE is the only MMO to do nothing but grow for a decade. This is like bragging about all the pennies you found over the last ten years. Big deal. The fact of the matter is that the game could multiply the playerbase with some simple grooming. But of course then the forums would fill up with crybabies talking about how the game is bring dumbed down. As if the playerbase isn't already the domain of dimwits. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:53:00 -
[204] - Quote
Carmen Electra wrote:course there are rare instances of someone getting bored and deciding they want to pew something random and gankable, but for the most part, you can autopilot in high sec without getting ganked as long as there's no interesting modules or cargo. As an experiment, hop in an empty shuttle & clone and just set a 100 jump route through high sec. I'd be willing to bet you make it to your destination safely. It's not a 100% thing, but chances are still pretty good.
probably most of the time but i recall someone did the same with low sec and was dying of laughter at not getting killed.
it's just more likely these days because in my year or so of play I've never seen high sec so bad for this, it's like an epidemic of 5th generation copycats.
but who i am to judge, here i am skulking around in a C5 looking for a juicy loot pinata.
quality over quantity tho. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:55:00 -
[205] - Quote
Ryhss wrote:To Be Me wrote:Yes you said it right, this is eve online.. Now dont expect it to be rainbow pokemon 2.
And its in the deep roots of eve to fear when you click "connect". You arent supposed to think this is a normal fair game, it is not.
You see ccp permabanned 4 of my accounts for some stupid thing and i didnt cry.
Now go shed your tears away on your moms shoulders
ps: you should also need skills and brains to fit a proper tank in your badger. Same rules applied. Um, learn to read for fraks sake. He said(multiple times), that he wasn't ganked. I agree with him, most current gankers have no skill. They pic on defenseless(drones don't count) ships. No pvp skills at ll in these type of kills.
The solution here would be: don't be in defenseless ships. I for one, cannot figure out for the life of me why years old miners in years old specialized mining corps don't fit their exhumers properly (you know, with at least a basic tank) and don't have vast flocks of ECM drones out and/or have ECM boats/instalocking high DPS combat ships around.
The almost complete lack of ECM drones is what surprises me most, I think I'm not exagerating when I say that 99% of miners don't carry them while they may be one of the most effective ways to fumble a gank. Yes yes, when 10 catalysts jump your single exhumer those aren't going to save you but the thruth is that most barges/exhumers die to solo/dual gankers.
On top of that: a large portion of the gankers are at least as terrible as a large poriton of the miners, I see plenty of really poorly executed ganks (often failing) with crap fitted ships. Wrong damage types, using t1 instead of named mods, not bringing enough DPS. That means they either did not scan their target properly or that they did not run the numbers on how much DPS is needed properly or at all.
The bottom line being: it's really, really, really not that hard to stay alive in most cases. Just simply not being the easiest target goes an incredibly long way.
You can ***** about ppl attacking defenseless ships or you can do something about it, such is EVE and it has always been this way. It's a PVP game and if you're gonna completely ignore that simple fact, you're going to die more often. And not even that often, unless you repeatedly ignore gankers and keep flying your same **** fits AFK while local is full of flashy red's for hours.... |
baltec1
Bat Country
8436
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:56:00 -
[206] - Quote
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:baltec1 wrote:EVE is the only MMO to do nothing but grow for a decade. This is like bragging about all the pennies you found over the last ten years. Big deal. The fact of the matter is that the game could multiply the playerbase with some simple grooming. But of course then the forums would fill up with crybabies talking about how the game is being dumbed down. As if the playerbase isn't already the domain of dimwits.
SWG did that, it didn't go too well. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6961
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:58:00 -
[207] - Quote
Grrrrrrrr [insert entity here].
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KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
508
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:03:00 -
[208] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Grrrrrrrr [insert entity here].
Possibilities at this point...
-Goons -SOMER -Gankers -Low-SP pilots.....from a vet, I might add. -Trolls -The New Order
Who?! Who should it be?! |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:03:00 -
[209] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:baltec1 wrote:EVE is the only MMO to do nothing but grow for a decade. This is like bragging about all the pennies you found over the last ten years. Big deal. The fact of the matter is that the game could multiply the playerbase with some simple grooming. But of course then the forums would fill up with crybabies talking about how the game is being dumbed down. As if the playerbase isn't already the domain of dimwits. SWG did that, it didn't go too well.
SWG was basically a dog turd that someone had topped with whipped cream and a cherry and called a chocolate sundae. The changes just got you to the bottom much faster. |
Richard Ramlrez
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:06:00 -
[210] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:baltec1 wrote:EVE is the only MMO to do nothing but grow for a decade. This is like bragging about all the pennies you found over the last ten years. Big deal. The fact of the matter is that the game could multiply the playerbase with some simple grooming. But of course then the forums would fill up with crybabies talking about how the game is being dumbed down. As if the playerbase isn't already the domain of dimwits. SWG did that, it didn't go too well.
SWG was a bad game from the start. |
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Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4333
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:06:00 -
[211] - Quote
This reminds me of something.
Thank you Goons, TEST and you other big entities, for helping defend our game from the people who ignore reality and only care for themselves.
You are many and your voices count a lot.
Without you, it'd be much harder not to have EvE turned into a boring carebear land which would die as soon as all these idiots left to kill the next game.
Thank you ! |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:08:00 -
[212] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: The solution here would be: don't be in defenseless ships. I for one, cannot figure out for the life of me why years old miners in years old specialized mining corps don't fit their exhumers properly (you know, with at least a basic tank) and don't have vast flocks of ECM drones out and/or have ECM boats/instalocking high DPS combat ships around.
The almost complete lack of ECM drones is what surprises me most, I think I'm not exagerating when I say that 99% of miners don't carry them while they may be one of the most effective ways to fumble a gank. Yes yes, when 10 catalysts jump your single exhumer those aren't going to save you but the thruth is that most barges/exhumers die to solo/dual gankers.
On top of that: a large portion of the gankers are at least as terrible as a large poriton of the miners, I see plenty of really poorly executed ganks (often failing) with crap fitted ships. Wrong damage types, using t1 instead of named mods, not bringing enough DPS. That means they either did not scan their target properly or that they did not run the numbers on how much DPS is needed properly or at all.
The bottom line being: it's really, really, really not that hard to stay alive in most cases. Just simply not being the easiest target goes an incredibly long way.
You can ***** about ppl attacking defenseless ships or you can do something about it, such is EVE and it has always been this way. It's a PVP game and if you're gonna completely ignore that simple fact, you're going to die more often. And not even that often, unless you repeatedly ignore gankers and keep flying your same **** fits AFK while local is full of flashy red's for hours....
Absolutely no reason to be in a defenseless ship. Even if the ship is properly fitted you also have to turn the modules on. I have a corp mate who lost a hulk because he didn't run the mods.
What you say about bad gankers is also very true. I have seen four catalysts sacrificed to kill a retriever and that was in a .6 system. I'm not sure how someone can claim to be a bad ass after that sort of showing. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:10:00 -
[213] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
probably most of the time but i recall someone did the same with low sec and was dying of laughter at not getting killed.
it's just more likely these days because in my year or so of play I've never seen high sec so bad for this, it's like an epidemic of 5th generation copycats.
but who i am to judge, here i am skulking around in a C5 looking for a juicy loot pinata.
quality over quantity tho.
I've autopiloted 10-20 times into low sec on accident, at least half of the time in a blockade runner, in Caldari space, at prime time EUTZ, got killed once. Half of the times I simply made it to my end destination and found myself floating afk at the gate. With other players whizzing by, not caring or suspecting a trap I reckon. Unless you run across a deliberate gate camp (most likely on a high sec gate) chances are that you will be allright even in low sec. let alone high sec.
In all my years I did a lot of AP'ing in shuttles, a lot lot. Never got bothered. I did get several failed gank attempts on my empty or low value cargo blockade runner though. An untanked travel fit blockade runner.... |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:17:00 -
[214] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:I've autopiloted 10-20 times into low sec on accident, at least half of the time in a blockade runner, in Caldari space, at prime time EUTZ, got killed once. Half of the times I simply made it to my end destination and found myself floating afk at the gate. With other players whizzing by, not caring or suspecting a trap I reckon. Unless you run across a deliberate gate camp (most likely on a high sec gate) chances are that you will be allright even in low sec. let alone high sec.
In all my years I did a lot of AP'ing in shuttles, a lot lot. Never got bothered. I did get several failed gank attempts on my empty or low value cargo blockade runner though. An untanked travel fit blockade runner....
haha, they fear the hot drop. what kind of psychotic flies a BR around uncloaked?
(probably the kind with 50 SB sitting on a blackops BS) |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
521
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:18:00 -
[215] - Quote
I agree. CCP, in order to reduce load on the server, can you get rid of the idiots that actually die in hisec? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4812
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:26:00 -
[216] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:What on earth are you on about? No one's going to gank your frigate or shuttle unless you're carrying something worth stealing. oh it happens. i can't post the KM because of 'rules.' you can eve-kill me and find it though. most pitiful bounty payout ever lol. Excuse me for interjecting, but if you are ganked while flying a shuttle or frigate that has no value or valuable cargo... why would you care? |
baltec1
Bat Country
8437
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:29:00 -
[217] - Quote
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:baltec1 wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:baltec1 wrote:EVE is the only MMO to do nothing but grow for a decade. This is like bragging about all the pennies you found over the last ten years. Big deal. The fact of the matter is that the game could multiply the playerbase with some simple grooming. But of course then the forums would fill up with crybabies talking about how the game is being dumbed down. As if the playerbase isn't already the domain of dimwits. SWG did that, it didn't go too well. SWG was basically a dog turd that someone had topped with whipped cream and a cherry and called a chocolate sundae. The changes just got you to the bottom much faster.
Its a fine example of what happens when you listen to the bears. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8437
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:30:00 -
[218] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:What on earth are you on about? No one's going to gank your frigate or shuttle unless you're carrying something worth stealing. oh it happens. i can't post the KM because of 'rules.' you can eve-kill me and find it though. most pitiful bounty payout ever lol. Excuse me for interjecting, but if you are ganked while flying a shuttle or frigate that has no value or valuable cargo... why would you care?
Nobody suicide ganks empty shuttles. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:31:00 -
[219] - Quote
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
Absolutely no reason to be in a defenseless ship. Even if the ship is properly fitted you also have to turn the modules on. I have a corp mate who lost a hulk because he didn't run the mods.
What you say about bad gankers is also very true. I have seen four catalysts sacrificed to kill a retriever and that was in a .6 system. I'm not sure how someone can claim to be a bad ass after that sort of showing.
Not just the fittings, ECM man, ECM!!! Having a flight of ECM drones out while you're afk goes a long way to make any solo ganker think twice.
I recently saw 6 destroyers (3 trasher, 3 cata) fail a gank on a tanked Mackinaw in 0.5 It had an expensive faction mod fitted which they were after but they clearly had no idea what they were doing. It was properly tanked (cept for having a 0.5 billion mod) but not even max tanked.
What made it even more hilarious was that it apparently made the miner very smug. He was out the next day again and started mouthing off in local against another gank squad that got a warp in on his position with an alt and then left again (to reship/switch account to ganker I reckon). He was like: "Yeah, you don't scare me! Can't gank me!". 2 minutes later the killmails went up in local, ship and pod. :D
The loot fairy showed it's appreciation and dropped the module.
As for being a bad ass: I don't think ganking makes you a bad ass, I think there are very few things that make you a bad ass in EVE as lets face it: hardly anyone goes up against bad odds with something of significant value on the line. I do think that blubbering about ganking on forums and denying all the ways to avoid getting killed so easily makes ppl look like idiots though.... |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:38:00 -
[220] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:What on earth are you on about? No one's going to gank your frigate or shuttle unless you're carrying something worth stealing. oh it happens. i can't post the KM because of 'rules.' you can eve-kill me and find it though. most pitiful bounty payout ever lol. Excuse me for interjecting, but if you are ganked while flying a shuttle or frigate that has no value or valuable cargo... why would you care? Nobody suicide ganks empty shuttles. Dear baltec, for this I will let my first gank on this char be a shuttle, I'll try to make it an empty one but if it's one of those 10 plex autopiloting ones I might go for those.
Thank you for being an inspiration Goons!
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1013
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:41:00 -
[221] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:What on earth are you on about? No one's going to gank your frigate or shuttle unless you're carrying something worth stealing. oh it happens. i can't post the KM because of 'rules.' you can eve-kill me and find it though. most pitiful bounty payout ever lol. Excuse me for interjecting, but if you are ganked while flying a shuttle or frigate that has no value or valuable cargo... why would you care? Nobody suicide ganks empty shuttles.
I saw an Apotheosis at a gate the other day and kicked myself for not having any guns.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
311
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:54:00 -
[222] - Quote
Fey Ivory wrote:i wanted to make a thread about this, but i can as well reply to this, i think some should try read and actually understand what OP is saying... Highsec shouldent be idiot safe, thats not what OP is saying, the problem is the corsepondance of what doing crimes in highsec entails, if you do it, you get punished, and the punishment should allways be in such a way that it actually hurts, and not just for those that just have started playing the game, wich points us back to what OP is trying to say... there is no punishment in highsec, if you have the means to cover the looses, for suicide ganks, wich makes the whole idea with, you >should< get punished in highsec if you violate its rules, void Make a idiot proof system, and someone will invent a better idiot !
The only MMOs that last a player more than a year require item loss (general consumption, not just consumable potions) in order to keep the market functional. The only other way around that is for the developer to start the mudflation themepark treadmill.
ie ships have to die, no matter what sec they are in. We wouldn't have concord if the designers didn't want ganking, we'd have a straitjacket that prevented you firing. it appears the balancing point for the designers is no solo industrial ganking of T2 fitted ships for profit, ie the ganker has to do better than "no research and no cooperation" to profit.
Anyone sitting around for an hour for a failed gank, lost a considerable amount of isk in opportunity cost terms, not counting the shiploss. ie it is considerably more punishing than just losing the ship even when you succeed. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1367
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:06:00 -
[223] - Quote
"Verily, I have often laughed at the fools who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:07:00 -
[224] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Excuse me for interjecting, but if you are ganked while flying a shuttle or frigate that has no value or valuable cargo... why would you care?
i don't but for the outrage that is players not observing the amoral pursuit of wealth in a randian wet dream sci fi dystopian universe. these 'lulz' are not a trade-able commodity AFAIK. |
Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
627
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:08:00 -
[225] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:This is strange, I have never been ganked in highsec and my cargohold is most of the time worth it.
Watchlisting, sending out pings to nearby badpeople. Enjoy. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:09:00 -
[226] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Nobody suicide ganks empty shuttles.
www.minerbumping.com |
Clyde Belvar
Ambition..
1
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:27:00 -
[227] - Quote
People who defend ganking are A:those who profit from that. B:those who never getting ganked. C:CCP
So people A :Big alliance who needs sell those ships they make,so more ganks more isk for them.
People in B:Again smart old school indies in jf's who no need jump through gates to make living.
People C: Reason why ccp is not doing anything is simple,every time people loose large amount of isk they may buy plex,which is nice profit making on top of subscriptions.
Only people loosing in this are new players(o-1.5y).They don't have jf's to jump around,they can't afford loosing large amount of isk each day,so they buy plex or quit.
I understand eve does need isk sink for game to be working,but problem people are having is that ganking is way too easy,so its getting out of control.Make ganking harder make griefers pay for they actions,make holes in they pockets every time they gank someone. We no need better ehp ships,it won't help,its not about how you fit your ship,if gankers want to gank you they will do it no matter what you fly.
P.s For all fitting experts here,how you fit anti gank freighter? |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:37:00 -
[228] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:
P.s For all fitting experts here,how you fit anti gank freighter?
Load up your freighter's cargo hold with repackaged HAC's from all 4 races between your 100+ million implants while you autopilot it from Jita to Rens. The HAC's have high racial resistances and will add enough extra EHP to your freighter to make it ungankable to anything but a fleet of several hundred battleships, which will lag out the system when they open fire so badly the gank will fail anyway.
It's not that hard really.... |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1078
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:40:00 -
[229] - Quote
Carebear themepark tears, i love this. |
Clyde Belvar
Ambition..
1
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:41:00 -
[230] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:
P.s For all fitting experts here,how you fit anti gank freighter?
Load up your freighter's cargo hold with repackaged HAC's from all 4 races between your 100+ million implants while you autopilot it from Jita to Rens. The HAC's have high racial resistances and will add enough extra EHP to your freighter to make it ungankable to anything but a fleet of several hundred battleships, which will lag out the system when they open fire so badly the gank will fail anyway. It's not that hard really....
Oh wow thanks will try this now :D
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Renegade Heart
The MIneral Munchers
16
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:42:00 -
[231] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:P.s For all fitting experts here,how you fit anti gank freighter?
You can reduce the chance of getting ganked by appearing to be a less juicy target than others around you. While not always true, it can help if it costs more to gank your freighter than the profit to be made from it. Esp. if others are totally disregarding this rule flying nearby you (ie a busy trade route, where most freighter ganks happen).
Also I have dabbled in suicide ganking but I am neither A, B, nor C in your definition. In fact the last suicide gank I did was a miner who was a corpmate of someone I just ganked in low sec, and I did it for lolz.
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:47:00 -
[232] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:
P.s For all fitting experts here,how you fit anti gank freighter?
Load up your freighter's cargo hold with repackaged HAC's from all 4 races between your 100+ million implants while you autopilot it from Jita to Rens. The HAC's have high racial resistances and will add enough extra EHP to your freighter to make it ungankable to anything but a fleet of several hundred battleships, which will lag out the system when they open fire so badly the gank will fail anyway. It's not that hard really.... Oh wow thanks will try this now :D Alternatively you could simply not put so much value into the thing that it would be profitable to gank. That would save you from 99.99% of al ganks.
Nah forget it, crazy idea, go with the first one indeed! |
Clyde Belvar
Ambition..
1
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:49:00 -
[233] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:P.s For all fitting experts here,how you fit anti gank freighter? You can reduce the chance of getting ganked by appearing to be a less juicy target than others around you. While not always true, it can help if it costs more to gank your freighter than the profit to be made from it. Esp. if others are totally disregarding this rule flying nearby you (ie a busy trade route, where most freighter ganks happen). Also I have dabbled in suicide ganking but I am neither A, B, nor C in your definition. In fact the last suicide gank I did was a miner who was a corpmate of someone I just ganked in low sec, and I did it for lolz.
Well last time my freighter was ganked it had 100 mil worth of stuff in it,so people are doing it for lolz sometimes,its just so easy to gank someone in this game thats why so many doing it.
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1078
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:50:00 -
[234] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Digits Kho wrote:Sir, most ships in eve are lost due to mistakes / laziness / inattentiveness Sir... I'm not saying that isn't true... what I'm saying is: The market is changing, and gamers are changing... folks like Solstice may not really care about that, but the small and "cozy" playerbase CCP has gathered here will not be forever, and the way the game is right now, I don't see much new blood coming to fill the ranks. Also: The game HAS been going in a... "worrying" direction for the last couple of months... there is no denying that.
Going the sandbox mmo-rpg way is "worrying"? Nice to know what a themeparker thinks of EvE Online. |
Serptimis
Balls Deep Inc.
184
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:51:00 -
[235] - Quote
How to start a threadnaught 101: Post in GD that Hi Sec is too dangerous. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:53:00 -
[236] - Quote
well they probably think it;s a bit weird to stare at a nob shaped spaceship for 3 hours and then press F1.
Re: themeparkers. no accounting for taste though. |
Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:13:00 -
[237] - Quote
IDK...
I've spent my first few months in hi-sec. I just fly paranoid. I always align when I mine, I am always at the keyboard when I mine. Being WarDec'd recently vastly improved my game play. Frankly, I get tired of other lazy miners not making the most of their cycles and surveyors. Time is money. Don't waste my time. I don't auto pilot either. The way I see it, if you are going to load up a big fat pig, hit auto pilot, and walk away, you deserve what you get. It is just proper economics to gank such targets as they come through.
When I first read about Minerbumping.com I thought a couple things. One, I suppose in some perverse way I saw their point. Second, I thought they were hypocrites offering a indulgence instead of just carrying on their crusade. It quickly occured to me this was just a method by which to extort 10m from fools who actually believed they would be honored. Just proper economics.
I just wish gankers would form a proper corporation. Join a union. Make yourselves a target. War reduces the themepark to low sec real quick; but they won't. It has nothing to do with having to face a thempark of angry carebears. They just aren't high enough caliber. They enjoy what they do because they enjoy the carebear tears. Hell, I am a carebear (?) and I enjoy the carebear tears. I in one moment hate them and in another love them. Trolls can't eat if they aren't fed, why do people never learn? Same reason they continue to autopilot through Hi-Sec I suppose. Hell, I might have to join in on frieghter ganking if idiots keep leaving so much ISK in the open...
I suppose I am saying thank you for making me a better pilot. I am also saying man up and make yourself a proper target. You will kill my 4m skillpoint (half industry) noob nine times out of ten, but eventually I will get you. But you aren't really about making the game a better place, or me a better pilot. Most of you are proper trolls, and that is that. Then again, this is why EVE is the whacky place that it is EVE.
So I say go to hell, and carry on... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3552
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:15:00 -
[238] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships. Nah... it's acttually like: How many potential players never even start the game because of everything they read/hear about it... ...so, yea, either a) CCP completely breaks the game for gankers at some point, or b) lives with what they have got, and probably loose more players in the future. *shrugs* There are enough people in this game that are completely fine with the latter option, though.
Well what I think people are missing is that while most of the players know it's a game and what the game is all about, there's a "why bother" approach to it.
While gankers can be dealt with by flying smart, at a certain point it feels like babysitting. I used to get this feeling in other MMOs when they reached the point where the 12y/o kids all seemed to discover it at once. Even if you can beat them, avoid them, or ignore them, taking measures to do so becomes tedious. They are not really playing a game. This could a game of any genre at this point. Heck this could be Hello Kitty Online with pink guns even. But once you are taking measures "around" the intentions of people who are not playing towards the spirit and objectives of the game, but rather doing it for RL jollies (something possibly related to alpha-aspergers or being put on Ritalin too young perhaps?) of griefing or wrecking the game for someone else, that's when you are not playing the game either. You are playing "their" game and win lose or draw, they have managed to make it their game.
While I don't think new players get "griefed" out of the game as easily as some people think - new players have an excuse to lose and a lot less to lose - I do think that a lot of them hit a point where they feel like they are working a customer support desk or are reminded of someone they work with who "has nothing better to do but ruin things for everybody else" and so they don't sub or unsub and move on. I have noticed that women are more prone to arrive at these conclusions than men. This might be related to women having more likely ended up in jobs or being tasked as actual babysitters for brat kids, and so they can spot such behavior easily and are not inclined to actually pay money to put up with yet more brat kids.
One of the reasons to get new players OUT of highsec as soon as possible is to get they away from this lowest common denominator zone. While it's fun to poke at the large alliances they do have some recruitment considerations for new players and should be recognized for that. What I have observed otherwise is that people who linger in highsec too long will get tired of the BS and playing someone else's greif game but those who actually get with the adults will invest more time and energy in staying.
So, either the player base should ramp up helping noobs out of highsec (instead of ganking them as if a KB full of T1 and rookie ships and month-old pods mean something - they don't) or CCP should strongly consider an inner starter zone of which only noobs can inhabit and anyone older can only fly non-combatant vessels (so there can be a market) - or something like that. Perhaps even some mechanics whereby player ships cannot fire on each other. Before anybody goes alphatard on that idea, be advised that I'm referring to a total noob starter zone to keep them grief free so they actually play internet spaceships and not "I'm getting back at the world because I can't get laid Online".
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1101
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:18:00 -
[239] - Quote
I love this thread.
EVE has areas of almost complete safety. They are called stations, and while in them you are only exposed to market PVP.
As soon as you choose to leave a station, you are sacrificing that safety for the chance to make more ISK. |
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
185
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:35:00 -
[240] - Quote
The point of the gank... isn't the gank.
The point of the bump.... isn't the bump.
The point of the Code... is player-control where many say there is none.
After over a year as an Agent of the New Order I know how the carebears react to the presence of the New Order. I won't speak for the freighter gankers but this is how the miners react.
Agent: Buy a permit. www.minerbumping.com
Miner 1: Random abuse, Caldari (Amarr, etc) is in charge here, you can't make me...
Agent: Bump.
Miner 1: Oh big man, I will just... (insert Miner Bingo square option here).
Knight: GANK!
Miner 1: Defenseless! Unfair! CCP FIX! NERF NERF NERF!
Agent: Buy a permit.
Miner 2: Random abuse, etc etc.
No one complains when the Goons control a giant swath of null. No one thinks its wrong when one huge alliance sweeps another out of their sov. BUT, have the New Order claim all systems with sec status between .5 and 1.0 and the petitions fly, the forum fills with threads like this and 2003 veterans like the OP reveal that some players never get beyond the carebear mentality.
The problem isn't the ganking. The problem is we say what they can and cannot do, and then we prove it. The OP, like so many before him/her has realized that even all his skill points, all his years of playing Eve and all his time playing the "real game" in Null doesn't protect him from someone who actually knows how to play Eve.
The feeling of powerlessness is what causes threads like this. We can't be stopped.
Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable |
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Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
97032
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:38:00 -
[241] - Quote
Idiots... |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1020
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:39:00 -
[242] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote: No one complains when the Goons control a giant swath of null.
Uh, do you even read this forum? Everyone complains about it all the time.
But only one man has the courage to change the face of the galaxy.
Forever.
Harry Forever.
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Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:41:00 -
[243] - Quote
- You are all crazy
- I support carebear-ism. I DON'T support mining. There is no excuse for this activity. Minerals come from melted loot just as well as from ore.
- Suicide gankers go after (very) low hanging fruit. It is incredibly easy to avoid being suicide ganked.
- The only time it's ok to fit nothing but cargo expanders to an Iteron V is when you're filling it to the brim with tritanium. No one wants your tritanium, seriously.
- Say you have 2x Pithum A-type invuls to move from Jita to Osmon. How do you get them between these two points? If you said in a fully cargo-expanded Iteron, you would be wrong. You would, however, be in good company because people actually do this. Try a shuttle instead.
- Fit a tank > 12k EHP
- Don't fly more than 200m in your T1 indy. Many gankers will go for 300m and above. If you're carrying > 400m, you will likely fly home in a pod.
- Blockade runner. Yes, I know, you have to train something to V. Deal with it.
- It's easy to ruin a suicide gankers day.
A little respect for us gankers would be appreciated. We work hard to put food on the table. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:59:00 -
[244] - Quote
Really it's not the ganking, it''s the finger wagging,. dear god make it stop. |
Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.11.06 00:11:00 -
[245] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:Really it's not the ganking, it''s the finger wagging,. dear god make it stop.
Finger wagging is silent.
Crying is much louder...
Honestly, I'm shocked reading this thread. I figured the natural reaction was something like:
"I lost something doing X."
"I shoudl not do X again."
Life goes on.
When it is in fact:
"I lost something doing X."
"Cry to big brother so he wil come and save me from myself."
Please don't lump all of us hi-secers in with these people. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
295
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Posted - 2013.11.06 00:21:00 -
[246] - Quote
Zheng'Yi Sao wrote:IDK...
I've spent my first few months in hi-sec. I just fly paranoid. I always align when I mine, I am always at the keyboard when I mine. Being WarDec'd recently vastly improved my game play. Frankly, I get tired of other lazy miners not making the most of their cycles and surveyors. Time is money. Don't waste my time. I don't auto pilot either. The way I see it, if you are going to load up a big fat pig, hit auto pilot, and walk away, you deserve what you get. It is just proper economics to gank such targets as they come through. Really, honestly, this is EVE. Are you really going to cry to CCP instead of defending yourselves? You carebears are an embarassment to us carebears. HTFU. I would rather die in my under-fit frigate than pay extortion or cry.
When I first read about Minerbumping.com I thought a couple things. One, I suppose in some perverse way I saw their point. Second, I thought they were hypocrites offering a indulgence instead of just carrying on their crusade. It quickly occured to me this was just a method by which to extort 10m from fools who actually believed they would be honored. Just proper economics.
I just wish gankers would form a proper corporation. Join a union. Make yourselves a target. War reduces the themepark to low sec real quick; but they won't. It has nothing to do with having to face a thempark of angry carebears. They just aren't high enough caliber. I in one moment hate them and in another love them. They enjoy what they do because they enjoy the carebear tears. Hell, I am a carebear (?) and I enjoy the carebear tears. Trolls can't eat if they aren't fed, why do people never learn? Same reason they continue to autopilot through Hi-Sec I suppose. Hell, I might have to join in on frieghter ganking if idiots keep leaving so much ISK in the open...
I suppose I am saying thank you for making me a better pilot. I am also saying man up and make yourself a proper target. You will kill my 4m skillpoint (half industry) noob nine times out of ten, but eventually I will get you. But you aren't really about making the game a better place, or me a better pilot. Most of you are proper trolls, and that is that. Then again, this is why EVE is the whacky place that it is EVE.
So I say go to hell, and carry on...
NOT EMPTY QUOTAN BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPLEX RESPONSE WITHOUT WAAAH OR BLOO-BLOO. I GÖÑ U THIS <---------------------------------------------> MUCH.
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Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2013.11.06 00:41:00 -
[247] - Quote
Tauranon wrote:Fey Ivory wrote:i wanted to make a thread about this, but i can as well reply to this, i think some should try read and actually understand what OP is saying... Highsec shouldent be idiot safe, thats not what OP is saying, the problem is the corsepondance of what doing crimes in highsec entails, if you do it, you get punished, and the punishment should allways be in such a way that it actually hurts, and not just for those that just have started playing the game, wich points us back to what OP is trying to say... there is no punishment in highsec, if you have the means to cover the looses, for suicide ganks, wich makes the whole idea with, you >should< get punished in highsec if you violate its rules, void Make a idiot proof system, and someone will invent a better idiot ! The only MMOs that last a player more than a year require item loss (general consumption, not just consumable potions) in order to keep the market functional. The only other way around that is for the developer to start the mudflation themepark treadmill. ie ships have to die, no matter what sec they are in. We wouldn't have concord if the designers didn't want ganking, we'd have a straitjacket that prevented you firing. it appears the balancing point for the designers is no solo industrial ganking of T2 fitted ships for profit, ie the ganker has to do better than "no research and no cooperation" to profit. Anyone sitting around for an hour for a failed gank, lost a considerable amount of isk in opportunity cost terms, not counting the shiploss. ie it is considerably more punishing than just losing the ship even when you succeed.
I agree with you and i never debate with you about the ability to gank, as i pointed out, what concord does is punish players for ganking, but what i do object against, is that the richer you get, and the more powerfull alliance your part of, the less of a punishment you get, as it is set up at moment, loosing a cata for a beginner is a big deal, while rich powerfull corporations can bascially set off funds, train up alts, and bascially take NO punishment towards their main operations, or main characters... this is what i object towards |
Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.11.06 00:46:00 -
[248] - Quote
Why should CCP punish these big corportations for being able to do such things?
If people in hi-sec don't like it, they should band together, fly into low-sec and burn the whole thing down. This is called player driven content. The problem isn't with burning Jita, it is with people who cry out to be saved instead of banding together and addressing the problem head on. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
754
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Posted - 2013.11.06 00:47:00 -
[249] - Quote
It's almost like there isn't a plethora of stations that provide a safe environment in which one might leave his/her keyboard in the sector of space in which you were travelling through...
Oh wait. |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2013.11.06 00:55:00 -
[250] - Quote
Becouse, i dident make the game and i dident set up highsec as it is, but if CCP sets up highsec as it is, and ganking should come with a punishment, then it should be a punishment, not a way to avoid it for what it is, that it barely affects you, depending on your resources, then it isent a punishment, now is it ? |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
691
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Posted - 2013.11.06 00:55:00 -
[251] - Quote
For the people incapable of understanding what I wrote:
1. I don't want ganking stopped. I want it made less safe. IE - something you do when you scan a ship full of something valuable, not something you do simply for fun without profit in mind.
2. As I have repeatedly said, Oveur stated that "highsec was supposed to be relatively safe", since then no dev has stated otherwise. The reason its called high sec (High Security) is because its supposed to be secure space. Currently there appear to be more gate camps in high sec than in null or low.
3. I don't want to autopilot with billions in loot. I want to autopilot my 30 minute old alt without getting its velator and pod killed just for fun by an alt that's going to biomass itself without anyone knowing. If I was a complete newb which I could have been, that account may have been lost.
4. As for my running anoms in null, lol. I'm doing that to fund my 8 man stealth bomber wing, which will be coming to a VFK near you shortly. |
Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.11.06 00:58:00 -
[252] - Quote
Nick Curso wrote:If you get mugged on the street when do the police arrive, before or after the mugging?....
Well if YouTube is anything to go by, sometimes they are the ones doing the mugging.
Don't give CCP any ideas.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
691
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Posted - 2013.11.06 01:06:00 -
[253] - Quote
Violet Crumble wrote:Nick Curso wrote:If you get mugged on the street when do the police arrive, before or after the mugging?.... Well if YouTube is anything to go by, sometimes they are the ones doing the mugging. Don't give CCP any ideas. If you mug someone and the cops turn up the dont just give you 15 minutes in a cell. |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
553
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Posted - 2013.11.06 01:19:00 -
[254] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:If you mug someone and the cops turn up the dont just give you 15 minutes in a cell. They instantly mug you right back! THEN they give you 15 minutes in a cell and tell the victim they have a month to mug you, or get someone else to mug you for them. After too many muggings, they just say, "Ahh, screw it, we'll just let everyone mug you anywhere, anytime... but we'll still show up and instamug you if you try anything, and throw you back in your cell." |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
63
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Posted - 2013.11.06 01:33:00 -
[255] - Quote
It is kind of hilarious, it started off.... "Well just dont but more than 10 bil in a freighter"
Then, "Well, if you dont wanna get ganked dont put more than one bill in a freighter"
Later "Just use an orca, flying a freighter is just asking for it"
even later.... "Well dont put more than 500 mil in your cargo hold"
Yeah CCP only cares about griefing when it happens to an alliance with a CSM rep. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
202
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Posted - 2013.11.06 01:47:00 -
[256] - Quote
Zheng'Yi Sao wrote:Why should CCP punish these big corportations for being able to do such things?
If people in hi-sec don't like it, they should band together, fly into low-sec and burn the whole thing down. This is called player driven content. The problem isn't with burning Jita, it is with people who cry out to be saved instead of banding together and addressing the problem head on.
But that requires coordination and effort. Its easier to moan and complain about a game mechanic that is working as intended. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1370
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Posted - 2013.11.06 01:53:00 -
[257] - Quote
Quote:1. I don't want ganking stopped. I want it made less safe. IE - something you do when you scan a ship full of something valuable, not something you do simply for fun without profit in mind.
So... since when is "because I can" or "because it's funny" not a good enough reason to do something in a sandbox game? The people who do it for the lulz have every bit as much right to play by the same rules as people who do it for profit.
No more nerfs to ganking, enough is enough already. If anything, you need to make highsec less safe, so that if people want to introduce a little anarchy (shameless Joker quote) they aren't completely forced to suicide gank. That'd cut down on ganks pretty well. A lot of people gank, myself among them, because it's the last recourse.
Quote:I want to autopilot my 30 minute old alt without getting its velator and pod killed just for fun by an alt that's going to biomass itself without anyone knowing. If I was a complete newb which I could have been, that account may have been lost.
Good thing what you described in that quote is already against the rules then, and has nothing to do with typical suicide ganking.
Quote:4. As for my running anoms in null, lol. I'm doing that to fund my 8 man stealth bomber wing, which will be coming to a VFK near you shortly
The words of a carebear are naught but noise and air. |
Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.11.06 01:58:00 -
[258] - Quote
Waldorf T Beagle wrote:As noob who signed up to take a look while I wait for elite dangerous, my 2p is that the OP is correct about game mechanics. It is too heavily weighted towards destruction. It takes months of skill training and investment to do anything constructive but a brand new alt can destroy things instantly with no downside.
Wrong on all counts.
There's a ton of construction going on and perfectly balanced by the destruction. You do know that most of the goods available on the market are made by players right? Destruction breeds construction and without one, there is not much need for the other.
On the issue of skill training, 12 days to a fully functioning PI character, who can actually be in to PI in just a couple of days.
PvP, no great SP necessary to start. You just have to have realistic expectations about what is going to happen, but a lot of skill in PvP is the experience of the player, not the experience of the pilot. So while SP are being trained, skill that helps later is being gained - and that stays with you forever, irrespective of the toon you use.
And finally, the brand new alt that can destroy instantly can also be yours to use against whomever you like. Don't like gankers hitting miners, go get organised and gank the gankers. Take responsibility for what happens to you in game and go dictate it, rather than having it dictated to you.
No downside - go make it. See my last point.
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Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:01:00 -
[259] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:If you mug someone and the cops turn up the dont just give you 15 minutes in a cell.
But this is a game, not RL.
What, you want characters charged, judged and imprisoned (or let out on a good behaviour bond or executed or a whole host of other possibilities in this wonderful diverse world we live in)?
I agree with you on making ganking more risky. I don't have a problem with that at all.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1370
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:03:00 -
[260] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Violet Crumble wrote:Nick Curso wrote:If you get mugged on the street when do the police arrive, before or after the mugging?.... Well if YouTube is anything to go by, sometimes they are the ones doing the mugging. Don't give CCP any ideas. If you mug someone and the cops turn up the dont just give you 15 minutes in a cell.
They also don't show up instantly, nor do they possess superhero invincibility. |
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Clyde Belvar
Ambition..
2
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:16:00 -
[261] - Quote
Wrong on all counts.
There's a ton of construction going on and perfectly balanced by the destruction. You do know that most of the goods available on the market are made by players right? Destruction breeds construction and without one, there is not much need for the other.
On the issue of skill training, 12 days to a fully functioning PI character, who can actually be in to PI in just a couple of days.
PvP, no great SP necessary to start. You just have to have realistic expectations about what is going to happen, but a lot of skill in PvP is the experience of the player, not the experience of the pilot. So while SP are being trained, skill that helps later is being gained - and that stays with you forever, irrespective of the toon you use.
And finally, the brand new alt that can destroy instantly can also be yours to use against whomever you like. Don't like gankers hitting miners, go get organised and gank the gankers. Take responsibility for what happens to you in game and go dictate it, rather than having it dictated to you.
No downside - go make it. See my last point. [/quote]
Yes most of the goods are made by players,but why only ones who make profit should be veteran players ,alliances,why can't newer players make isk too.So why make industrial, trader career in eve if its not available to newer players? New indies are just ganked straight on undock,while big alliances profit on that,if it will continue like that eve will be left with dude with 100 chars.
EVE needs isk sink,ganking,but make it more hard to do.You are talking about miners hitting back to gankers,lol dude wake up imagine what will happen if miner corp will go attack some big ass gank alliance. |
Ludi Burek
Toilet Emergency JIHADASQUAD
273
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:19:00 -
[262] - Quote
I propose that HS ganking be made consensual. The gankers need to issue a request to the potential gankee. If the prospect gankee is afk and cannot accept the request he can not be ganked. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
295
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:35:00 -
[263] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:For the people incapable of understanding what I wrote:
1. I don't want ganking stopped. I want it made less safe. IE - something you do when you scan a ship full of something valuable, not something you do simply for fun without profit in mind.
2. As I have repeatedly said, Oveur stated that "highsec was supposed to be relatively safe", since then no dev has stated otherwise. The reason its called high sec (High Security) is because its supposed to be secure space. Currently there appear to be more gate camps in high sec than in null or low.
3. I don't want to autopilot with billions in loot. I want to autopilot my 30 minute old alt without getting its velator and pod killed just for fun by an alt that's going to biomass itself without anyone knowing. If I was a complete newb which I could have been, that account may have been lost.
4. As for my running anoms in null, lol. I'm doing that to fund my 8 man stealth bomber wing, which will be coming to a VFK near you shortly.
1. this point makes me want to gank someone, hard, for no reason, anywhere. Luckily, i can. 2. Hisec is the safest space. (Edit: for new pilots.) 3. oh who cares? 4. Nobody cares. |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
193
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:49:00 -
[264] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:1. I don't want ganking stopped. I want it made less safe. IE - something you do when you scan a ship full of something valuable, not something you do simply for fun without profit in mind.
That explanation has nothing to do with 'safety'.
Infinity Ziona wrote:2. As I have repeatedly said, Oveur stated that "highsec was supposed to be relatively safe", since then no dev has stated otherwise. The reason its called high sec (High Security) is because its supposed to be secure space. Currently there appear to be more gate camps in high sec than in null or low.
Yes, you have said that repeatedly; but what you consistently leave out is what he said that in response to--
Someone complaining about the (then) new features: "Mass security hits for a single aggression, 20 minute+ timer that doesn't allow you to leave the system for an age, no chance of escaping CONCORD in 0.5-0.6 systems"
(These features are all still in effect in highsec, except the 20 minutes timer is 15 minutes)
Thus, the meaning of "relatively safe" is clearly given, and the current situation clearly qualifies as "relatively safe". Using that quote, as you do so often, is thus intentionally deceptive.
Infinity Ziona wrote:3. I don't want to autopilot with billions in loot. I want to autopilot my 30 minute old alt without getting its velator and pod killed just for fun by an alt that's going to biomass itself without anyone knowing. If I was a complete newb which I could have been, that account may have been lost.
That's already against the rules; therefore no change is needed.
If you think ganking is too safe, prove it, by ganking so much that people sit up and say "wow, ganking is too easy now:" Cherry picking misrepresentative quotes from former CCP devs isn't going to prove anything. |
Frying Doom
3245
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:56:00 -
[265] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:pod killed just for fun by an alt that's going to biomass itself without anyone knowing. Biomassing a negative-sec status alt to remove the pirate status is illegal and stupid
You just run all 3 characters into the negatives and then just start a new account |
Good Posting
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 02:57:00 -
[266] - Quote
Do like me. When you see a tornado gang camping a station, switch to your ceptor, split guns and ***** kill mails like a baws. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
692
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 03:16:00 -
[267] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:1. I don't want ganking stopped. I want it made less safe. IE - something you do when you scan a ship full of something valuable, not something you do simply for fun without profit in mind. That explanation has nothing to do with 'safety'. Infinity Ziona wrote:2. As I have repeatedly said, Oveur stated that "highsec was supposed to be relatively safe", since then no dev has stated otherwise. The reason its called high sec (High Security) is because its supposed to be secure space. Currently there appear to be more gate camps in high sec than in null or low. Yes, you have said that repeatedly; but what you consistently leave out is what he said that in response to-- Someone complaining about the (then) new features: "Mass security hits for a single aggression, 20 minute+ timer that doesn't allow you to leave the system for an age, no chance of escaping CONCORD in 0.5-0.6 systems" (These features are all still in effect in highsec, except the 20 minutes timer is 15 minutes) Thus, the meaning of "relatively safe" is clearly given, and the current situation clearly qualifies as "relatively safe". Using that quote, as you do so often, is thus intentionally deceptive. I want to address this because this is where you're sticking your head firmly and deeply in the sand and yelling nah nah nah so you don't understand the problem right?
At the time security hits were extremely hard to get back up. After going -7 on this character gate camping in low I had to go and spend 3 months in null ratting to get it from -7 back to 0.
This is no longer the case. Hits are lower, hits are easier to repair. To the extent that they don't really matter at all.
Additionally to gank a cruiser you would have needed a 100 million + isk battleship or a bunch of cruisers. Now you need a destroyer or two.
To gank a battleship you would have needed multiple battleships.
To gank a freighter when they came out you needed around 30 battleships. Now you need 30 T1 catalysts worth around 60 million isk vs 3 billion in the past.
In short when he said high sec was supposed to be "relatively safe" he said it in the context that you could gank but the costs involved would be significant, in regards to isk, manpower and security status.
This is no longer the case, the costs are now around 98% less, from 100 million + per ship to 2 million, the sec status loss is much less, the manpower needed is much much less.
High sec given the camps I see, is certainly no where near as safe as it was then and nowhere near as safe as it was intended to be.
CCP has dropped the ball on this.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1370
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 03:16:00 -
[268] - Quote
Good Posting wrote:Do like me. When you see a tornado gang camping a station, switch to your ceptor, split guns and ***** kill mails like a baws.
Confirming that this is why hauler ships have turret slots. |
Don Purple
Black Plague Industries
110
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 03:20:00 -
[269] - Quote
You are actually complaining about having to be AT YOUR COMPUTER, to play a computer game. Stop. Think. Biomass and save us your bad posting. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1370
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 03:23:00 -
[270] - Quote
Quote:In short when he said high sec was supposed to be "relatively safe" he said it in the context that you could gank but the costs involved would be significant, in regards to isk, manpower and security status.
You're inferring that from a one sentence, out of context quote how, precisely?
Ah, that's right, I forgot. You're insane. |
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
620
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 03:27:00 -
[271] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote: Yes most of the goods are made by players,but why only ones who make profit should be veteran players ,alliances,why can't newer players make isk too.So why make industrial, trader career in eve if its not available to newer players? New indies are just ganked straight on undock,while big alliances profit on that,if it will continue like that eve will be left with dude with 100 chars.
EVE needs isk sink,ganking,but make it more hard to do.You are talking about miners hitting back to gankers,lol dude wake up imagine what will happen if miner corp will go attack some big ass gank alliance.
I'm curious where this station is where new indies are ganked straight on the undock? I only fly T1 haulers and have never been ganked in Jita or Dodixie, or any where between the two. I think you are perhaps either using hyperbole or have had your views tainted by pilots who are, charitably, not very good at Eve.
Ganking has been nerfed, nerfed hard, and nerfed some more over the years. The only way to nerf it any more would be to just turn off the safety switch and make everyone's set to Green in hisec.
Would you like to know what would happen if a miner corp attacked a "big ass gank alliance?" They'd win. Defeating miner gankers is easy, its just no one wants to do it because *effort*. They'd rather complain to CCP on the forums while watching Youtube videos and AFK'ing the ice. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
692
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 03:35:00 -
[272] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:In short when he said high sec was supposed to be "relatively safe" he said it in the context that you could gank but the costs involved would be significant, in regards to isk, manpower and security status.
You're inferring that from a one sentence, out of context quote how, precisely? Ah, that's right, I forgot. You're insane. An inference is based on unknown information. A context in relation to something that is said is based on the circumstances at the time. Since the circumstances at the time that it was said are known there is no inference. |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
193
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 03:36:00 -
[273] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:1. I don't want ganking stopped. I want it made less safe. IE - something you do when you scan a ship full of something valuable, not something you do simply for fun without profit in mind. That explanation has nothing to do with 'safety'. Infinity Ziona wrote:2. As I have repeatedly said, Oveur stated that "highsec was supposed to be relatively safe", since then no dev has stated otherwise. The reason its called high sec (High Security) is because its supposed to be secure space. Currently there appear to be more gate camps in high sec than in null or low. Yes, you have said that repeatedly; but what you consistently leave out is what he said that in response to-- Someone complaining about the (then) new features: "Mass security hits for a single aggression, 20 minute+ timer that doesn't allow you to leave the system for an age, no chance of escaping CONCORD in 0.5-0.6 systems" (These features are all still in effect in highsec, except the 20 minutes timer is 15 minutes) Thus, the meaning of "relatively safe" is clearly given, and the current situation clearly qualifies as "relatively safe". Using that quote, as you do so often, is thus intentionally deceptive. I want to address this because this is where you're sticking your head firmly and deeply in the sand and yelling nah nah nah so you don't understand the problem right? At the time security hits were extremely hard to get back up. After going -7 on this character gate camping in low I had to go and spend 3 months in null ratting to get it from -7 back to 0. This is no longer the case. Hits are lower, hits are easier to repair. To the extent that they don't really matter at all. Additionally to gank a cruiser you would have needed a 100 million + isk battleship or a bunch of cruisers. Now you need a destroyer or two. To gank a battleship you would have needed multiple battleships. To gank a freighter when they came out you needed around 30 battleships. Now you need 30 T1 catalysts worth around 60 million isk vs 3 billion in the past. In short when he said high sec was supposed to be "relatively safe" he said it in the context that you could gank but the costs involved would be significant, in regards to isk, manpower and security status. This is no longer the case, the costs are now around 98% less, from 100 million + per ship to 2 million, the sec status loss is much less, the manpower needed is much much less. High sec given the camps I see, is certainly no where near as safe as it was then and nowhere near as safe as it was intended to be. CCP has dropped the ball on this.
None of what you're saying is relevant. If you want to make an argument that ganking costs and sec costs have made ganking too easy, that's fine, but that's not a rational reply to being presented with the fact that you're using that dev quote out of context. If you want to back up your arguments with dev quotes, then find a dev quote that specifically addresses those changes. That dev quote is about "Mass security hits for a single aggression, 20 minute+ timer that doesn't allow you to leave the system for an age, no chance of escaping CONCORD in 0.5-0.6 systems", sorry. It's not about these other changes that hadn't even occurred yet. It's hilarious that you need this explained to you.
The above fully answers your argument. However, because your examples are so funny, I'll reply to them as well. Comparing costs without taking into effect the insurance nerf/removal of boomeranging/etc is naive or deceptive. Using catalysts to gank freighters is somewhat uncommon, as gate guns can kill them too quickly. Saying that the manpower needed is less, when your example is 30 to 30, doesn't make any sense.
I've had people try to gank me many times, but they've always failed. Perhaps you should try to figure out how to make gank attempts on you fail too, instead of begging for CCP to save you.
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Sar Carstic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
16
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 03:40:00 -
[274] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You ask in a later post "WTF should I sit at my PC to make 24 jumps from Jita to another system" or words to that effect. You shouldn't - you don't have any inalienable right to go AFK to make those jumps, but if you aren't enjoying being at your computer to do them without running the risk of getting ganked, don't do it.
Find something else in the game that gives you more enjoyment and makes you less whiny.
I too have noticed the increase in catalysts around the place, waiting to pounce, and it has given me an idea. I am now going to start catalyst hunting as a hobby - anyone older than 2 weeks doesn't have a legitimate reason to be flying a catalyst around anyway, and a gank fit cat will pop if it's looked at the wrong way, so I could have a lot of fun with some hunting trips.
Not that I am going to make any sort of dent at all in the plague, but that might add a nice slight element of risk to the lives of the gankers in the systems I frequent, and I am going to have fun. So sort of thanks for the idea. |
Adacia Calla
Nubs. No Effin' Clue
56
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 03:44:00 -
[275] - Quote
This character is 7 years old and I have never been shot at in high-sec. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
694
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 04:10:00 -
[276] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:1. I don't want ganking stopped. I want it made less safe. IE - something you do when you scan a ship full of something valuable, not something you do simply for fun without profit in mind. That explanation has nothing to do with 'safety'. Infinity Ziona wrote:2. As I have repeatedly said, Oveur stated that "highsec was supposed to be relatively safe", since then no dev has stated otherwise. The reason its called high sec (High Security) is because its supposed to be secure space. Currently there appear to be more gate camps in high sec than in null or low. Yes, you have said that repeatedly; but what you consistently leave out is what he said that in response to-- Someone complaining about the (then) new features: "Mass security hits for a single aggression, 20 minute+ timer that doesn't allow you to leave the system for an age, no chance of escaping CONCORD in 0.5-0.6 systems" (These features are all still in effect in highsec, except the 20 minutes timer is 15 minutes) Thus, the meaning of "relatively safe" is clearly given, and the current situation clearly qualifies as "relatively safe". Using that quote, as you do so often, is thus intentionally deceptive. I want to address this because this is where you're sticking your head firmly and deeply in the sand and yelling nah nah nah so you don't understand the problem right? At the time security hits were extremely hard to get back up. After going -7 on this character gate camping in low I had to go and spend 3 months in null ratting to get it from -7 back to 0. This is no longer the case. Hits are lower, hits are easier to repair. To the extent that they don't really matter at all. Additionally to gank a cruiser you would have needed a 100 million + isk battleship or a bunch of cruisers. Now you need a destroyer or two. To gank a battleship you would have needed multiple battleships. To gank a freighter when they came out you needed around 30 battleships. Now you need 30 T1 catalysts worth around 60 million isk vs 3 billion in the past. In short when he said high sec was supposed to be "relatively safe" he said it in the context that you could gank but the costs involved would be significant, in regards to isk, manpower and security status. This is no longer the case, the costs are now around 98% less, from 100 million + per ship to 2 million, the sec status loss is much less, the manpower needed is much much less. High sec given the camps I see, is certainly no where near as safe as it was then and nowhere near as safe as it was intended to be. CCP has dropped the ball on this. None of what you're saying is relevant. If you want to make an argument that ganking costs and sec costs have made ganking too easy, that's fine, but that's not a rational reply to being presented with the fact that you're using that dev quote out of context. My entire post was about the dev post, from 7 years ago. Presenting changes that have happened since then would only be relevant if you're attempting to prove that CCP Oveur was a time traveler. If you want to back up your arguments with dev quotes, then find a dev quote that specifically addresses those changes--and don't respond to me with it, because that would be another non sequitur like your first reply. The dev quote in this subthread is about "Mass security hits for a single aggression, 20 minute+ timer that doesn't allow you to leave the system for an age, no chance of escaping CONCORD in 0.5-0.6 systems", sorry. It's not about these other changes that hadn't even occurred yet. It's hilarious that you need this explained to you. The above fully answers your argument. However, because your examples are so funny, I'll reply to them as well. Comparing costs without taking into effect the insurance nerf/removal of boomeranging/etc is naive or deceptive. Using catalysts to gank freighters is somewhat uncommon, as gate guns can kill them too quickly. Saying that the manpower needed is less, when your example is 30 to 30, doesn't make any sense. I've had people try to gank me many times, but they've always failed. Perhaps you should try to figure out how to make gank attempts on you fail too, instead of begging for CCP to save you. This is untrue. My expectation of using autopilot is analogous to others expectations that "they shouldn't have to log on at x time to defend a POS so a timer is needed to be convenient". If the latter is correct and true than the former is correct and true.
Autopilot is in the game as a convenience and its reasonable to expect that one can use it to autopilot a newb in a velator with no cargo without that newb being killed and podded for lols.
Additonally recently the alliances whined to CCP regarding the siphon units, their argument was "we shouldn't have to log on when we're not playing just to check if a siphon unit has been deployed" which is analogous to the expectation that their POS should not be siphoned while they're AFK. CCP changed the mechanics to make siphons more expensive and take up more space.
What is the difference between:
1: Not having your ship destroyed in high sec by cheap ships for lols while AFK. 2: Not having your POS siphoned by cheap siphons for profit while AFK. 3: Not having your POS destroyed while AFK?
The only difference is the first is very possible and the 2 and 3 have mechanics in place to protect the AFK.
I think I win this thread (again) |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
486
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 04:15:00 -
[277] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: This is untrue. My expectation of using autopilot is analogous to others expectations that "they shouldn't have to log on at x time to defend a POS so a timer is needed to be convenient". If the latter is correct and true than the former is correct and true.
Autopilot is in the game as a convenience and its reasonable to expect that one can use it to autopilot a newb in a velator with no cargo without that newb being killed and podded for lols.
Additonally recently the alliances whined to CCP regarding the siphon units, their argument was "we shouldn't have to log on when we're not playing just to check if a siphon unit has been deployed" which is analogous to the expectation that their POS should not be siphoned while they're AFK. CCP changed the mechanics to make siphons more expensive and take up more space.
What is the difference between:
1: Not having your ship destroyed in high sec by cheap ships for lols while AFK. 2: Not having your POS siphoned by cheap siphons for profit while AFK. 3: Not having your POS destroyed while AFK?
The only difference is the first is very possible and the 2 and 3 have mechanics in place to protect the AFK.
I think I win this thread (again)
The difference is 2 & 3 are actually 2: Not having your POS siphoned by cheap siphons for profit while OFFLINE. 3: Not having your POS destroyed while OFFLINE?
Which makes 1. Well.... your ship isn't going to get destroyed while offline (unless you crash your system to avoid PvP and get probed down)
The only problem with high sec ganking is that CCP doesn't have a logic check on Concord, so you end up with 100 Concord at a gate. Rather than it saying 'already 10 there, just use those 10' |
Clyde Belvar
Ambition..
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 04:16:00 -
[278] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Good Posting wrote:Do like me. When you see a tornado gang camping a station, switch to your ceptor, split guns and ***** kill mails like a baws. Confirming that this is why hauler ships have turret slots.
lol and what,since haulers have gun slots they should fight against ganks,dude from which planet did you came from? |
Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
41
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 04:36:00 -
[279] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:Yes most of the goods are made by players,but why only ones who make profit should be veteran players ,alliances,why can't newer players make isk too.So why make industrial, trader career in eve if its not available to newer players? New indies are just ganked straight on undock,while big alliances profit on that,if it will continue like that eve will be left with dude with 100 chars.
EVE needs isk sink,ganking,but make it more hard to do.You are talking about miners hitting back to gankers,lol dude wake up imagine what will happen if miner corp will go attack some big ass gank alliance.
Look at the profile of this character I'm posting with. New and making 400-500 mil ISK per month through PI and trading.
It's not at all about being a veteran or part of a major alliance. It's about having a clue to go find and absorb the information that's there and to try different things.
As to what would happen if you attacked a ganking alliance. You'd probably get wardecced, killed, podded and rage quit. But that seems to be what you'd do, not everyone. Others might find another aspect of play they enjoy.
Go to lowsec and mine. Lowsec is no more of a risk than you seem to think highsec is and more variety in mining too. |
Doctor Fabulous MD
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 04:38:00 -
[280] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: 4. As for my running anoms in null, lol. I'm doing that to fund my 8 man stealth bomber wing, which will be coming to a VFK near you shortly.
Empty Words |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1373
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 04:38:00 -
[281] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Good Posting wrote:Do like me. When you see a tornado gang camping a station, switch to your ceptor, split guns and ***** kill mails like a baws. Confirming that this is why hauler ships have turret slots. lol and what,since haulers have gun slots they should fight against ganks,dude from which planet did you came from?
No, dirt-for-brains.
The guy I quoted said that he *****s on killmails with an interceptor.
I said I ***** on killmails even with a hauler, because I put guns on them in the event that someone near me is ganked, so I can fire on the gankers and get on their CONCORD killmail. |
Clyde Belvar
Ambition..
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 04:38:00 -
[282] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote: Yes most of the goods are made by players,but why only ones who make profit should be veteran players ,alliances,why can't newer players make isk too.So why make industrial, trader career in eve if its not available to newer players? New indies are just ganked straight on undock,while big alliances profit on that,if it will continue like that eve will be left with dude with 100 chars.
EVE needs isk sink,ganking,but make it more hard to do.You are talking about miners hitting back to gankers,lol dude wake up imagine what will happen if miner corp will go attack some big ass gank alliance.
I'm curious where this station is where new indies are ganked straight on the undock? I only fly T1 haulers and have never been ganked in Jita or Dodixie, or any where between the two. I think you are perhaps either using hyperbole or have had your views tainted by pilots who are, charitably, not very good at Eve. Ganking has been nerfed, nerfed hard, and nerfed some more over the years. The only way to nerf it any more would be to just turn off the safety switch and make everyone's set to Green in hisec. Would you like to know what would happen if a miner corp attacked a "big ass gank alliance?" They'd win. Defeating miner gankers is easy, its just no one wants to do it because *effort*. They'd rather complain to CCP on the forums while watching Youtube videos and AFK'ing the ice.
Jita sir last time i was ganked in jita,is there anything i can do to transport my goods safely without gank?No,since i was ganked in empty freighter too.Dude take your pink glasses off and take a look at killmails,or even just eve map statistics see how many ships were destroyed last 24 h,more then half of them are ganks.And miners vs big alliances,yes you live in fairy land if you think miners would win. You talk about effort,then why gankers not going to null and push out goons from half the null,they won't because it takes too much effort its much more easyer to gank noob in hisec. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1373
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 04:43:00 -
[283] - Quote
Quote:,is there anything i can do to transport my goods safely without gank?
Depends on the kind of gank.
If you wish to defend against a "for profit" gank, then I advise not putting more than 2 billion isk worth of goods in your freighter. I also recommend escorts with double webs, it works wonders.
If you want to be immune to a "spite" gank, or a "I want person X dead" gank, then you really can't. If they want you dead, you die. No one should really be able to survive multiple people fighting you from surprise with one character anyway. |
Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
41
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 04:47:00 -
[284] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:Jita sir last time i was ganked in jita,is there anything i can do to transport my goods safely without gank?No,since i was ganked in empty freighter too.Dude take your pink glasses off and take a look at killmails,or even just eve map statistics see how many ships were destroyed last 24 h,more then half of them are ganks.And miners vs big alliances,yes you live in fairy land if you think miners would win. You talk about effort,then why gankers not going to null and push out goons from half the null,they won't because it takes too much effort its much more easyer to gank noob in hisec.
It's a dog eat dog world and all that; and it's always easier to pick on a smaller dog than a bigger one.
Just so happens that the smallest dog in the game at the moment is the lone highsec miner or noob highsec hauler.
Most gankers aren't that much higher up the food chain and can be beaten (on a range of different levels) fairly easily. Go and look at the C&P where there are a couple of threads providing good advice on that, directly from gankers.
But in the end, you as a player make the choices about how you play the game; and you have the accept responsibility for all apects of game play that result from those choices.
I agree that it should be less safe for gankers, but that is nothing to do with stopping them from ganking you. You are playing the same game as everyone else and have the same tools available to you to avoid being ganked. It's not someone else's role (eg. CCP) to take responsibility to fix your problems when solutions already exist. |
Clyde Belvar
Ambition..
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.06 04:55:00 -
[285] - Quote
Violet Crumble wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:Yes most of the goods are made by players,but why only ones who make profit should be veteran players ,alliances,why can't newer players make isk too.So why make industrial, trader career in eve if its not available to newer players? New indies are just ganked straight on undock,while big alliances profit on that,if it will continue like that eve will be left with dude with 100 chars.
EVE needs isk sink,ganking,but make it more hard to do.You are talking about miners hitting back to gankers,lol dude wake up imagine what will happen if miner corp will go attack some big ass gank alliance. Look at the profile of this character I'm posting with. New and making 400-500 mil ISK per month through PI and trading. It's not at all about being a veteran or part of a major alliance. It's about having a clue to go find and absorb the information that's there and to try different things. As to what would happen if you attacked a ganking alliance. You'd probably get wardecced, killed, podded and rage quit. But that seems to be what you'd do, not everyone. Others might find another aspect of play they enjoy. Go to lowsec and mine. Lowsec is no more of a risk than you seem to think highsec is and more variety in mining too.
First off lady this newb char makes triple amount of isk what you do in month by doing same stuff,second is why the hell ccp implemented trading and mining as career choice if you can't play it because ganking?Lets just make 3 careers in eve explorer,pvp'er and ganker.Then all will be set then. My point is not to eliminate ganking completely,make it harder,why one must work week for several h a day for something and then someone comes in and destroys it all in 10 secs without consequences. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17277
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:58:00 -
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I agree. Something needs to be done about the idiots in highsec.
I say CCP should relax some of the many many CONCORD buffs that have happened through the years, or tone down the consequences of killing people, and make ganks a much more commonplace and worth-while practice. That should weed them out in short order.
As it is, the chances of being ganked are pretty much zero, so the idiots are allowed to maintain their idiotic ways and have no reason or incentive to adapt or adopt more clever practices. Bring back some proper risk to highsec and get rid of this silly notion that have grown that it is somehow a GÇ£safeGÇ¥ part of space. |
Clyde Belvar
Ambition..
2
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:03:00 -
[287] - Quote
Violet Crumble wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:Jita sir last time i was ganked in jita,is there anything i can do to transport my goods safely without gank?No,since i was ganked in empty freighter too.Dude take your pink glasses off and take a look at killmails,or even just eve map statistics see how many ships were destroyed last 24 h,more then half of them are ganks.And miners vs big alliances,yes you live in fairy land if you think miners would win. You talk about effort,then why gankers not going to null and push out goons from half the null,they won't because it takes too much effort its much more easyer to gank noob in hisec. It's a dog eat dog world and all that; and it's always easier to pick on a smaller dog than a bigger one. Just so happens that the smallest dog in the game at the moment is the lone highsec miner or noob highsec hauler. Most gankers aren't that much higher up the food chain and can be beaten (on a range of different levels) fairly easily. Go and look at the C&P where there are a couple of threads providing good advice on that, directly from gankers. But in the end, you as a player make the choices about how you play the game; and you have the accept responsibility for all apects of game play that result from those choices. I agree that it should be less safe for gankers, but that is nothing to do with stopping them from ganking you. You are playing the same game as everyone else and have the same tools available to you to avoid being ganked. It's not someone else's role (eg. CCP) to take responsibility to fix your problems when solutions already exist.
We are playing same game its sandbox,thats why i love eve,but lets make it same for everyone.It is only in ccp hands to fix it,in every game if there is a fault, group of people will exploit it.We are playing the same game,what tools do i have to not being ganked,i see killmails where faction fitted hulks getting ganked by catalyst gang,i see killmails where freighters getting ganked,what tools did eve gave me to defend against that?Indies are completely useless now too since they can be one shotted by tornados.So give me tools gainst that lol
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17277
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:09:00 -
[288] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:We are playing same game its sandbox,thats why i love eve,but lets make it same for everyone. It already is the same for everyone.
Quote:We are playing the same game,what tools do i have to not being ganked,i see killmails where faction fitted hulks getting ganked by catalyst gang,i see killmails where freighters getting ganked,what tools did eve gave me to defend against that?Indies are completely useless now too since they can be one shotted by tornados.So give me tools gainst that lol EVE gives you modules, maps, local and other in-game chat channels, support ships, market windows and cost estimates, and other players GÇö the exact same tools the gankers use. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1373
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:23:00 -
[289] - Quote
Quote:why one must work week for several h a day for something and then someone comes in and destroys it all in 10 secs without consequences.
Mostly because you fools refuse to fit a tank or remain at your keyboards?
Yeah, in fact, not even mostly, that's pretty much entirely why. |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
193
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:24:00 -
[290] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:*long conversation about a dev quote, which wasn't about autopilot, or pos's, or timers, or convenience, or siphons, or AFK'ing.* This is untrue. My expectation of using autopilot is analogous to others expectations that "they shouldn't have to log on at x time to defend a POS so a timer is needed to be convenient". If the latter is correct and true than the former is correct and true. Autopilot is in the game as a convenience and its reasonable to expect that one can use it to autopilot a newb in a velator with no cargo without that newb being killed and podded for lols. Additonally recently the alliances whined to CCP regarding the siphon units, their argument was "we shouldn't have to log on when we're not playing just to check if a siphon unit has been deployed" which is analogous to the expectation that their POS should not be siphoned while they're AFK. CCP changed the mechanics to make siphons more expensive and take up more space. What is the difference between: 1: Not having your ship destroyed in high sec by cheap ships for lols while AFK. 2: Not having your POS siphoned by cheap siphons for profit while AFK. 3: Not having your POS destroyed while AFK? The only difference is the first is very possible and the 2 and 3 have mechanics in place to protect the AFK. I think I win this thread (again)
Non sequitur. |
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Ryhss
136
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:31:00 -
[291] - Quote
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Grrrrrrrr [insert entity here].
Possibilities at this point... -Goons -SOMER -Gankers -Low-SP pilots.....from a vet, I might add. -Trolls -The New Order Who?! Who should it be?! THE NEW ORDER |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
164
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:34:00 -
[292] - Quote
I started to respond but I've taken a vow against walls of text.
I"m ssoooo confused though. I can't even understand enough to begin to reply in a way that could sway your thinking to a place of more inner peace with the status quo:
"I haven't got ganked because I pay attention but I'm afraid if I don't pay attention I might get ganked. A game shouldn't require you pay attention"
and more or less: ~Some places should be dangerous and some not but I don't want to take steps to go to the safer parts of high sec and I shouldn't have to think about staying out of corridor systems and knowing people in a system of high sec industiralists and there shouldn't need to be any advantage of actually joining together with people in high sec to report on stuff and know each other because high sec shouldn't require interaction between players because people should be able to play an mmo like it were a single person campaign game if they felt like and shouldn't feel more safe if they made friends...~
and
more or less: ~" I make 3 times as much as you do but there needs to be a way I can make isk because that's part of the game and you can't make isk if you get ganked all the time but I make three times as much isk as you do anyway .. enough to buy plexes for gametime and still get richer every month BUT it is insane CCP doesn't have a way where traders can make isk"~
It would take me a book and I'd get called a pompous ass (well this character is a pompous ass but still) if I tried
I'm so confused. |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
338
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:59:00 -
[293] - Quote
To the OP, I lost a billion isk when I was ganked while hauling T2 modules in an untanked T1 industrial a few years ago. At the time I was pi$$ed off, so I left and tried a few themepark MMOs out there and got quickly bored of them. Every time I go back to Eve. Why? Because Eve rewards intelligence, and punishes laziness. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
697
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:06:00 -
[294] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:To the OP, I lost a billion isk when I was ganked while hauling T2 modules in an untanked T1 industrial a few years ago. At the time I was pi$$ed off, so I left and tried a few themepark MMOs out there and got quickly bored of them. Every time I go back to Eve. Why? Because Eve rewards intelligence, and punishes laziness. No it used to punish laziness and reward intelligence. Now it simply allows lazy unintelligent gamers to sit at gate and kill anything they want for no reason other than they can.
Your argument is stupid, given the context. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1373
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:06:00 -
[295] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:To the OP, I lost a billion isk when I was ganked while hauling T2 modules in an untanked T1 industrial a few years ago. At the time I was pi$$ed off, so I left and tried a few themepark MMOs out there and got quickly bored of them. Every time I go back to Eve. Why? Because Eve rewards intelligence, and punishes laziness.
I would simplify it even further.
There is a feeling of reward beyond that of merely getting the next level of gear. Accomplishment that has nothing to do with whether your headpiece is blue or purple. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
94
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:08:00 -
[296] - Quote
I've had a couple haulers ganked over the years... oddly it only seemed to happen in lowsec and null. This was mostly due to me taking foolish risks by operating solo in dangerous territory. My fault. I've had a few lock-ons happen in hisec either while hauling or mining, but no successful ganks. I think the actual risk of being ganked in hisec is being greatly exaggerated as of late in truth... many of us carebears REALLY don't like the idea, and tend to scream bloody murder about it rather than take measures to prevent it from happening. Speaking of measures, I really do like the escort idea for haulers. It's a nearly ubiquitous notion in space sci-fi movies/series... the convoy. Having someone riding shotgun improves the chance of the cargo getting to it's destination intact. Pay a friend or corpmate to ride along to help you get there... if you are short on either or both of those, hire a couple newbie mercs looking for a leg up in the business to help. Just visibly having guards will help deter possible hostiles... actually having guards that know how to defend can be a nasty discovery for those they don't deter. Your enemies are using teamwork and intel to make this happen, you have access to the same toolbox they do. Not gonna touch on the popping of miners, as there are already numerous threads regarding that and the antics of the New Order. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17279
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:15:00 -
[297] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:No it used to punish laziness and reward intelligence. Now it simply allows GǪpeople to not learn how highsec works and pretty much get away with it. No-one takes any precautions or learns how to deal with adverse sitautions because, by and large, there's just no need for it.
So on the extremely rare occasions when something does happen, it comes as a shock and they incorrectly diagnose it as a fault with the system rather than with their own behaviour.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1374
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:24:00 -
[298] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:No it used to punish laziness and reward intelligence. Now it simply allows GǪpeople to not learn how highsec works and pretty much get away with it. No-one takes any precautions or learns how to deal with adverse sitautions because, by and large, there's just no need for it. So on the extremely rare occasions when something does happen, it comes as a shock and they incorrectly diagnose it as a fault with the system rather than with their own behaviour.
Interesting. I have also put forth this hypothesis, after my first few days as a suicide ganker.
It's due to incorrect expectations of what is or is not supposed to happen.
Incorrect expectations lead to reality slapping you in the face. No one likes to get slapped in the face by reality, so rather than accept that their expectations were wrong in the first place, they seek to justify this by campaigning to have the game changed to match their (incorrect) expectations of it.
Sound about right? |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
312
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:36:00 -
[299] - Quote
[incursus - afk newbie] [high] [mid] [rigs] [low]
400mm reinforced rolled tungsten plates I experimental energized adaptive nano membrane I experimental energized adaptive nano membrane I experimental energized explosive membrane I
something like 7x the EHP of a velator as supplied to a new character.
Should be beyond a T1 destroyer to kill before the gate guns kill the destroyer (those pilots rarely have perfect application either). That should have enough fitting left over to only need hull 3 to fit, and a newbie could use some lower meta to get it past the wallet (and a true newbie gets given an incursus in missions, and an alt can get given isk for it).
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Don Purple
Black Plague Industries
110
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:36:00 -
[300] - Quote
Dear OP
You literally only need to be at your computer to survive MOST ganks. A properly fit ship will survive MOST ganks. You spit on a lifestyle that is an extremely active play style, most gankers I know just fly as -10 in highesc because there's no point to having a positive sec status. You can not sit still or afk or you die before you make your hit. You are blatantly stating that a player not even at his computer should have a chance to survive against someone actually clicking their mouse? Tell me when in this game, a PVP game, will any pilot survive a fight they are not at their computer for? And if you have an answer or a defense to this then maybe THAT needs fixed. |
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Zappity
Kurved Space
617
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Posted - 2013.11.06 07:14:00 -
[301] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:What on earth are you on about? No one's going to gank your frigate or shuttle unless you're carrying something worth stealing. oh it happens. i can't post the KM because of 'rules.' you can eve-kill me and find it though. most pitiful bounty payout ever lol. Excuse me for interjecting, but if you are ganked while flying a shuttle or frigate that has no value or valuable cargo... why would you care? Nobody suicide ganks empty shuttles. That's true. People do, however, suicide gank shuttles with pods in them. |
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
174
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Posted - 2013.11.06 08:17:00 -
[302] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
I agree with most of this post with regards to that ganking in high sec lately is getting a bit out of control. It probably is ccp's way of fixing null sec, they make high sec so **** that you go to null sec or dont play the game.
But i do not agree with that killing someone in this game shoudl take skill, this game has by far one of the most passive gameplay you can find in a online game.
With the risk vs isk with ganking it gets pretty much impossible to balance that, since the isk is a factor made by the players themself. If someone puts 10 plexes in a shuttle should a destroyer then not be able to kill it because the reward is to high ?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17280
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Posted - 2013.11.06 09:50:00 -
[303] - Quote
Daisai wrote:I agree with most of this post with regards to that ganking in high sec lately is getting a bit out of control. The interesting part is that, while many like to claim this, none can really offer any evidence to support itGǪ
GǪmuch less quantify what Gǣin controlGǥ or Gǣout of controlGǥ actually entails. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
295
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Posted - 2013.11.06 09:56:00 -
[304] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:To the OP, I lost a billion isk when I was ganked while hauling T2 modules in an untanked T1 industrial a few years ago. At the time I was pi$$ed off, so I left and tried a few themepark MMOs out there and got quickly bored of them. Every time I go back to Eve. Why? Because Eve rewards intelligence, and punishes laziness. No it used to punish laziness and reward intelligence. Now it simply allows lazy unintelligent gamers to sit at gate and kill anything they want for no reason other than they can. Your argument is stupid, given the context.
Oh hey, great way to make friends, there. Starting a sentence with NO is a terrible habit, terrible and telling. I grasped the point of Kaivar's post, you calling him stupid is unwarranted and less than entertaining hostility. Those 'lazy and unintelligent' gamers? Seems they killed your hard-working super-intelligent ass. HTFU, watching you spew rainbows got old two threads ago.
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baltec1
Bat Country
8445
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:08:00 -
[305] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Daisai wrote:I agree with most of this post with regards to that ganking in high sec lately is getting a bit out of control. The interesting part is that, while many like to claim this, none can really offer any evidence to support itGǪ GǪmuch less quantify what Gǣin controlGǥ or Gǣout of controlGǥ actually entails.
We however can.
Simply looking through the records we see that an average of 30 to 40 freighters get ganked a month. Lowball estimates of freighter trips per month is between half a million to a million in high sec per month.
So we can see that freighter ganking is out of control |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4344
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:25:00 -
[306] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Oh hey, great way to make friends, there. Starting a sentence with NO is a terrible habit, terrible and telling. I grasped the point of Kaivar's post, you calling him stupid is unwarranted and less than entertaining hostility. Those 'lazy and unintelligent' gamers? Seems they killed your hard-working super-intelligent ass. HTFU, watching you spew rainbows got old two threads ago. This post really nails it.
Reality clearly shows who got killed and thus is the stupid, while OP insists that reality is actually backwards. |
Levome Thorphan
Evil Genius Organisation
5
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:39:00 -
[307] - Quote
Zappity wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:What on earth are you on about? No one's going to gank your frigate or shuttle unless you're carrying something worth stealing. oh it happens. i can't post the KM because of 'rules.' you can eve-kill me and find it though. most pitiful bounty payout ever lol. Excuse me for interjecting, but if you are ganked while flying a shuttle or frigate that has no value or valuable cargo... why would you care? Nobody suicide ganks empty shuttles. That's true. People do, however, suicide gank shuttles with pods in them.
Heheh exactly... lots of people just want to kill other people so the other people lose stuff (implants in this case), not necesarily to gain something themselves. |
Levome Thorphan
Evil Genius Organisation
5
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:41:00 -
[308] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Daisai wrote:I agree with most of this post with regards to that ganking in high sec lately is getting a bit out of control. The interesting part is that, while many like to claim this, none can really offer any evidence to support itGǪ GǪmuch less quantify what Gǣin controlGǥ or Gǣout of controlGǥ actually entails.
Very true, I haven't been ganked in over half a year and I got 3 carebear characters which I play daily :p I did lose 3.5bill last time I got ganked though, so I guess that makes up for all the not getting ganked lately lol... |
Prince Kobol
1114
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:56:00 -
[309] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote:Daisai wrote:I agree with most of this post with regards to that ganking in high sec lately is getting a bit out of control. The interesting part is that, while many like to claim this, none can really offer any evidence to support itGǪ GǪmuch less quantify what Gǣin controlGǥ or Gǣout of controlGǥ actually entails. We however can. Simply looking through the records we see that an average of 30 to 40 freighters get ganked a month. Lowball estimates of freighter trips per month is between half a million to a million in high sec per month. So we can see that freighter ganking is out of control
What this shows is that people are not doing a good enough job of ganking freighters.
Personally I would love to see 300 - 400 freighters getting ganked per month
Even then it would still not be "out of control" |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
805
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:08:00 -
[310] - Quote
I love how folks can simultaneously claim to have never ever gotten ganked, yet can then turn around and claim ganking is out of control and destroying the game.
Cognitive dissonance at it's finest, folks. |
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Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:12:00 -
[311] - Quote
Clyde Belvar wrote:Violet Crumble wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:Yes most of the goods are made by players,but why only ones who make profit should be veteran players ,alliances,why can't newer players make isk too.... Look at the profile of this character I'm posting with. New and making 400-500 mil ISK per month through PI and trading. ... First off lady this newb char makes triple amount of isk what you do in month by doing same stuff,...
So let me get this straight. You're making 1.2 - 1.5 billion ISK per month and complaining that new players can't make ISK because of ganking.7
Have I got that right? Because if that's true, you really need to get some perspective. If you are making 2-3 PLEX per month, you are making money and you have well more than enough resources to protect yourself.
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Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
149
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:14:00 -
[312] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:I love how folks can simultaneously claim to have never ever gotten ganked, yet can then turn around and claim ganking is out of control and destroying the game.
Cognitive dissonance at it's finest, folks.
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Good Posting
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:17:00 -
[313] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Good Posting wrote:Do like me. When you see a tornado gang camping a station, switch to your ceptor, split guns and ***** kill mails like a baws. Confirming that this is why hauler ships have turret slots.
Good luck locking a tornado with a Badger before you get alpha'ed. There is a thing called scan resolution. Besides, i wasn't talking about hauling your stuff and then switching to an interceptor in case that some evil guys come to take your belongings.
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KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
517
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:30:00 -
[314] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:I love how folks can simultaneously claim to have never ever gotten ganked, yet can then turn around and claim ganking is out of control and destroying the game.
Cognitive dissonance at it's finest, folks.
Well said...cognitive dissonance, indeed.
As for the OP, rather than the smug commentary I began with at the start of the thread, I will be sincere....
I can confirm that I have been ganked. And it sucked. But I was new, and I learned the best ways to avoid it, over time.
I can also confirm that ganking, in all it's forms...from heisting to awoxing...is definitely a lot more fun.
Also better than, in my humble opinion...
PVE Industry Manufacturing Sov Grinding...ugh.
Amongst other things...
It's just good-hearted fun. Why would you not take advantage of a world of few rules...a social experiment, if you will...and not just go all out? What is the point of turning a game into a job? What is the point of playing said game, if you are afk (unless you are cloaking afk, of course)?
I may have a few laughs here on the forums, but honestly, is it really that horrible? Is it really going to make you quit, or rage, or whatever you feel you must do?
Since you are a vet, apparently, are you just going to ignore that old maxim?
"In EvE, you adapt or die." |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:42:00 -
[315] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote:
The feeling of powerlessness is what causes threads like this. We can't be stopped.
Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable
Thing is, they aren't powerless. If they were powerless then they'd have a valid point. The New Order is very amusing and I applaud your enthousiasm but when I look at your kills the vast majority of them happened because of 'stupid'. I rarely see heavily tanked ships on your killboard. Most of the time they are yield fitted barges, anti-tanked orca's and such.
Your leader acknowledges the fact that you aren't all that powerful even on minerbumping: http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/01/advanced-skill-training-terror-weapons.html
Having said that, I'd like to thank the New Order for being a great inspiration in emergent gameplay and role playing! |
Tash Murka
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
37
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:01:00 -
[316] - Quote
So funny peaple think autopilot afk is save in hi sec.
When you drive our car on the hiway and you put your cruise control on. You take a nap then behind the wheel?
Or you transporting a copple of millions in a truck you do not bring anny protection? ( frighter). Rl hi sec c is not save at all and you have to pay attention all the time. How do you think eve is different? |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:05:00 -
[317] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Having said that, I'd like to thank the New Order for being a great inspiration in emergent gameplay and role playing! That's ONE way to put it...
While the ganking "situation" may be, like many things in EVE, colored by selective perception, it still is true that the high sec mechanics need to be looked at... that's basically all I take from threads like that. |
Xorionna
Power Absolute Absolute Damage Inc.
4
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:11:00 -
[318] - Quote
Don Purple wrote:Dear OP You literally only need to be at your computer to survive MOST ganks. A properly fit ship will survive MOST ganks. You spit on a lifestyle that is an extremely active play style, most gankers I know just fly as -10 in highesc because there's no point to having a positive sec status. You can not sit still or afk or you die before you make your hit. You are blatantly stating that a player not even at his computer should have a chance to survive against someone actually clicking their mouse? Tell me when in this game, a PVP game, will any pilot survive a fight they are not at their computer for? And if you have an answer or a defense to this then maybe THAT needs fixed.
The problem I see about high sec pvp is that the only tactic that exists is to fly a destroyer and have a lot of friends. I suppose if you try to kill someone in my fleet, I can't retaliate on a ganking ship unless you shoot me first. The only PVP choice right now is 1 ship vs X destroyers. Attacking a fleet, and allowing a fleet to defend one member should be possible. Right now the only thing you can do is wardec a corporation, unless your ganking pilot is in a NPC corporation, in that case I believe you can only cry sweet tears.
I don't want less PVP, and I don't think the point of the thread was about that either. I just want to see different types of pvp in high sec. The only elements existing in high sec pvp is tankoing the bait ship, have a scout and fly a destroyer to pew pew. Never saw a fleet of Exequror/Osprey roaming in high sec to remote rep some random Orca. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:18:00 -
[319] - Quote
Tash Murka wrote:So funny peaple think autopilot afk is save in hi sec.
When you drive our car on the hiway and you put your cruise control on. You take a nap then behind the wheel?
Or you transporting a copple of millions in a truck you do not bring anny protection? ( frighter). Rl hi sec c is not save at all and you have to pay attention all the time. How do you think eve is different?
eve isn't real life.
and you don't need to pay attention, you just have to be a human macro runner.
I've yet to hear an adequate critique of AP warp to 0. freighters have long align times where they're vulnerable and travel fit orcas must run active modules after each session change or lose over half their tank and fast align. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4350
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:26:00 -
[320] - Quote
Please let me conclude this thread by saying that indeed, CCP should do something about the idiots in highsec and should start with removing the OP.
Cheers :) |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17282
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:29:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:I've yet to hear an adequate critique of AP warp to 0. Fast travel is the reward you get for being at the keyboard. Going autopilot means it takes longer but also means you don't have to be around to personally witness the slower progress.
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:36:00 -
[322] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:I've yet to hear an adequate critique of AP warp to 0. Fast travel is the reward you get for being at the keyboard. Going autopilot means it takes longer but also means you don't have to be around to personally witness the slower progress.
that just says eve rewards tedium. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17282
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:38:00 -
[323] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:that just says eve rewards tedium. No-one is forcing you to make it tedious. The UI doesn't lock up just because your ship is travelling through space.
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:38:00 -
[324] - Quote
Fey Ivory wrote:
I agree with you and i never debate with you about the ability to gank, as i pointed out, what concord does is punish players for ganking, but what i do object against, is that the richer you get, and the more powerfull alliance your part of, the less of a punishment you get, as it is set up at moment, loosing a cata for a beginner is a big deal, while rich powerfull corporations can bascially set off funds, train up alts, and bascially take NO punishment towards their main operations, or main characters... this is what i object towards
A game that encourages succes and accomplishment?!?! WHAT TRAVESTY IS THIS?!?!?! |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:49:00 -
[325] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:that just says eve rewards tedium. No-one is forcing you to make it tedious. The UI doesn't lock up just because your ship is travelling through space.
well yeah i read web sites, and this is rewarding play you say?
and of course CCP already made it easy mode by making warp to 0 on gates available but they had to leave a crude nerf to AP in because because. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1374
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:50:00 -
[326] - Quote
Good Posting wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Good Posting wrote:Do like me. When you see a tornado gang camping a station, switch to your ceptor, split guns and ***** kill mails like a baws. Confirming that this is why hauler ships have turret slots. Good luck locking a tornado with a Badger before you get alpha'ed. There is a thing called scan resolution. Besides, i wasn't talking about hauling your stuff and then switching to an interceptor in case that some evil guys come to take your belongings.
Neither was I. I was just talking about *****ing on random killmails. I have, fairly often in the years I have been playing this game, gotten on a hilarious killmail when someone else gets ganked in the vicinity, and I take a potshot at the ganker before CONCORD gets them.
Which is pretty much the only reason why hauler ships would even have turret slots. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17282
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:53:00 -
[327] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:well yeah i read web sites, and this is rewarding play you say? No, I'm suggesting that you play the game instead.
Quote:and of course CCP already made it easy mode by making warp to 0 on gates available but they had to leave a crude nerf to AP in because GǪit rewards being active GÇö not that it's a nerf to AP to begin with.
Good Posting wrote:Good luck locking a tornado with a Badger before you get alpha'ed. Luck is not really a factor, since you pretty much achieve that by default. Badgers can't be alpha:d by a Tornado unless you've fitted them horribly wrong. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:01:00 -
[328] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Fast travel is the reward you get for being at the keyboard. Going autopilot means it takes longer but also means you don't have to be around to personally witness the slower progress. Sure, but should it also be more dangerous? We all know EVE is a game that's supposed to be played for a LONG time... it's by design... but why is it then that many of those "time intensive" activities also have to be boring? That's what the game boils down to for many people: Either do this/that boring thing for hours or run the risk of getting into trouble... why is that? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17282
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:04:00 -
[329] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Sure, but should it also be more dangerous? Yes. It comes inherent with the increased exposure.
Quote:That's what the game boils down to for many people: Either do this/that boring thing for hours or run the risk of getting into trouble... why is that? Because getting into trouble is a good thing.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:06:00 -
[330] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Because getting into trouble is a good thing. According to whom? Not everybody likes to get in trouble all the time... |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17282
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:08:00 -
[331] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:According to whom? The fundamental design of the game: an engine fed by destruction and conflict, without which everything else would be utterly pointless.
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:11:00 -
[332] - Quote
Tippia wrote:]GǪit rewards being active GÇö not that it's a nerf to AP to begin with.
semantics, they made a choice not to change AP regardless. the point is that being active is entirely robotic behaviour as the aspect of gameplay is entirely uninvolving, much like any other activity people prefer to AFK in this game because it's a means to an end, not the end in itself.
like getting somewhere to do that thing we like and and hopefully eating something in between, typically.
i think i'm starting to join the get rid of high sec crew tbh. it's just a massive wasteland in my way these days. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3233
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:13:00 -
[333] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote: According to whom? Not everybody likes to get in trouble all the time...
Then why aren't they sitting on the porch doing crochet instead of playing a conflict driven MMO about space ships (most of which can mount copious amounts of guns)? |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:14:00 -
[334] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The fundamental design of the game: an engine fed by destruction and conflict, without which everything else would be utterly pointless. ...and that's EXACTLY the reason why threads like this will never cease.
It's not toally true though... EVE is as much fueled by destruction and conflict as it is fueled by creation and harmony (ie. teamwork). At least it should be, if it want's to be a true sandbox one day... right now, the destruction and conflict part weights much heavier. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:17:00 -
[335] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Tippia wrote:The fundamental design of the game: an engine fed by destruction and conflict, without which everything else would be utterly pointless. ...and that's EXACTLY the reason why threads like this will never cease. Just, it's not totally true, though... EVE is as much fueled by destruction and conflict as it is fueled by creation and harmony (ie. teamwork). At least it should be, if it want's to be a true sandbox one day... right now, the destruction and conflict part weights much heavier, that's why contrived systems like CONCORD exist.
Luckily creation still outweighs destruction, or there would be nothing for me to gank, or to gank WITH even. |
Sidrat Flush
Deadly Harmony
154
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:30:00 -
[336] - Quote
No one short of a bot aspirant plays the game because of it's awesome game mechanics - There are none! - Surely we log in to meet people shoot the breeze, and then each other with high velocity large calibre space weapons in space ships?
If you describe Eve as spreadsheets in space, you're only half right. The other half is actually playing the game with other people and making a lasting impression, no matter how large or small the circle of renown.
When the servers get turned off, almost everyone will be remembered by a small minority of people if they make the effort. But to do that you have to actually log in, fleet up, join VOIP server of some ones choice or yours and generate content for yourself, which may or may not include other people, and if they're not ready for you they didn't plan properly. If they did, you didn't. But at least there was an element of 'fun' on both sides.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:34:00 -
[337] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Luckily creation still outweighs destruction, or there would be nothing for me to gank, or to gank WITH even. I'm not talking about numbers/figures, I'm talking about mechanics/ways of playing the game... also, not everything in EVE is created by players, but that's a different topic. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
94
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:36:00 -
[338] - Quote
Isn't shiptoasting one of the primary things that drives the overall market? Without the wanton destruction of ships would not the prices of said ships rapidly become unmanageable due to people only losing their stuff due to accident? I mean, there will always be the nullsec wars and lowsec violence... but while I may be mistaken about this I always presumed that those regions also produce their fair share of product due to industry. It worries me that someday the ultra-carebears may actually get their way and inadvertently cause their own demise, potentially taking the rest of us with them. I've seen it happen to industry-specific local markets IRL and it was worthy of a double facepalm. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1645
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:39:00 -
[339] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Shalua Rui wrote: According to whom? Not everybody likes to get in trouble all the time...
Then why aren't they sitting on the porch doing crochet instead of playing a conflict driven MMO about space ships (most of which can mount copious amounts of guns)? You realise that this game isn't only about the guns though right? There are several activities that in fact require no guns. I'm not opposed to ganking, I've done it myself on several occasions, but it is too easy to do and with no realistic downsides. Your neg sec status does not stop you doing much and can be corrected to a livable level with only a couple of hundred mil. I think ganking needs to be severely cut back, but at the same time there should be more of a reason to go out to low, null and WH space by increasing reward and decreasing high sec reward. High sec can generate the same level of income as null with relative ease, which is wrong. But at the same time high sec can be as dangerous as null, which again is wrong. Both sides need to be looked at and balanced to what they are designed to be.
IMO, Null needs more rewards and higher risk (harder hitting PVE at the very least, scrambling belt rats, etc). High needs more safety and less reward. WH space needs ice, so self-sustaining is easier, and higher risk+reward Low sec needs to have reduced risk to players forcing unwanted PvP (so removal of gate ad station guns, etc) and more exploration rewards.
This would encourage people to live in WHs, to explore low sec with the risk of being hunted, to group in null, and to safely pick up dregs in high sec. For me, that's what the 4 sections of space are supposed to do. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3233
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:39:00 -
[340] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote: ...and that's EXACTLY the reason why threads like this will never cease.
They'll never cease to exist because people are people. Some peopel choose to see only those things that they want to while ignoring the rest, thinking that if "only those other things go away, things will be perfect". In this game as in real life, they are wrong.
This is why the carebears who screamed "Star Trek Online is gonna kill EVE" when it was announced that STO would not have non-consensual pvp and would have walking around and next to no death penalty (2 main complaints of the "carebear" crowd in EVE and all other such games).
And yet here they remain, getting ganked and crying about it when there is another space game right now they could be playing that does exactly what you people say you want.
To sane people (you know, those of us who play games we like and who do't play games that we don't like), these "bears" are one of the supreme mysteries of the universe. They Will still be a mystery when Star Citizen comes out and does all this amazing stuff they've spent years crying about yet they continue to play EVE. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3233
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:42:00 -
[341] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Shalua Rui wrote: According to whom? Not everybody likes to get in trouble all the time...
Then why aren't they sitting on the porch doing crochet instead of playing a conflict driven MMO about space ships (most of which can mount copious amounts of guns)? You realise that this game isn't only about the guns though right? There are several activities that in fact require no guns. I'm not opposed to ganking, I've done it myself on several occasions, but it is too easy to do and with no realistic downsides. Your neg sec status does not stop you doing much and can be corrected to a livable level with only a couple of hundred mil. I think ganking needs to be severely cut back, but at the same time there should be more of a reason to go out to low, null and WH space by increasing reward and decreasing high sec reward. High sec can generate the same level of income as null with relative ease, which is wrong. But at the same time high sec can be as dangerous as null, which again is wrong. Both sides need to be looked at and balanced to what they are designed to be. IMO, Null needs more rewards and higher risk (harder hitting PVE at the very least, scrambling belt rats, etc). High needs more safety and less reward. WH space needs ice, so self-sustaining is easier, and higher risk+reward Low sec needs to have reduced risk to players forcing unwanted PvP (so removal of gate ad station guns, etc) and more exploration rewards. This would encourage people to live in WHs, to explore low sec with the risk of being hunted, to group in null, and to safely pick up dregs in high sec. For me, that's what the 4 sections of space are supposed to do.
I simply don't understand the kind of personality that looks at my post and says "you think it's all about guns"?
Where, exactly did i say any such thing. I said EVE HAS guns. Try reading a post without the "crazy colored" glasses, if you don;t understand what I'm saying, ask me instead of making a stupid assumption. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:42:00 -
[342] - Quote
Omar Alharazaad wrote:It worries me that someday the ultra-carebears may actually get their way and inadvertently cause their own demise, potentially taking the rest of us with them. I've seen it happen to industry-specific local markets IRL and it was worthy of a double facepalm. Yea, only that IRL the "Goons" hold all the power... and they are inapt in just about anything else then KEEPING power, be it trading, pvp (war) and everything else... oh, wait, that's EVE too! |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:48:00 -
[343] - Quote
Oh, man! I read every page of this post! Bring back OP, popcorn needs salt from those oh-so-salty tears. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1645
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:49:00 -
[344] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:They'll never cease to exist because people are people. Some peopel choose to see only those things that they want to while ignoring the rest, thinking that if "only those other things go away, things will be perfect". In this game as in real life, they are wrong. Do you not see anything hypocritical in this at all? Gankers are now considerably more common than when I started. So technically, the "carebears" actually want the game to stay the way it originally was. Sounds to me like you just want the easy kills. I personally enjoy EVE for support a broad spectrum of playstyles. If the whole game turned into pure pew pew, you can bet your ass my accounts would shut down. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:51:00 -
[345] - Quote
really just ignore the opinions of nullbears on this. they don't have to deal with the mass of noise that is highsec, and when we bring a fleet full of neutrals to them they frikkin hate us |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1645
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:51:00 -
[346] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Shalua Rui wrote: According to whom? Not everybody likes to get in trouble all the time...
Then why aren't they sitting on the porch doing crochet instead of playing a conflict driven MMO about space ships (most of which can mount copious amounts of guns)? You realise that this game isn't only about the guns though right? There are several activities that in fact require no guns. I'm not opposed to ganking, I've done it myself on several occasions, but it is too easy to do and with no realistic downsides. Your neg sec status does not stop you doing much and can be corrected to a livable level with only a couple of hundred mil. I think ganking needs to be severely cut back, but at the same time there should be more of a reason to go out to low, null and WH space by increasing reward and decreasing high sec reward. High sec can generate the same level of income as null with relative ease, which is wrong. But at the same time high sec can be as dangerous as null, which again is wrong. Both sides need to be looked at and balanced to what they are designed to be. IMO, Null needs more rewards and higher risk (harder hitting PVE at the very least, scrambling belt rats, etc). High needs more safety and less reward. WH space needs ice, so self-sustaining is easier, and higher risk+reward Low sec needs to have reduced risk to players forcing unwanted PvP (so removal of gate ad station guns, etc) and more exploration rewards. This would encourage people to live in WHs, to explore low sec with the risk of being hunted, to group in null, and to safely pick up dregs in high sec. For me, that's what the 4 sections of space are supposed to do. I simply don't understand the kind of personality that looks at my post and says "you think it's all about guns"? Where, exactly did i say any such thing. I said EVE HAS guns. Try reading a post without the "crazy colored" glasses, if you don;t understand what I'm saying, ask me instead of making a stupid assumption. "most of which can mount copious amounts of guns" It would be that bit there. Most of it doesn't mount to copious amounts of guns. I run 8 accounts, with 3 chars on each and yet I only have 4 characters even trained with weapons at all. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17282
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:54:00 -
[347] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:semantics No. Just facts.
Quote:they made a choice not to change AP regardless. GǪand things remaining the same as always is not a nerf.
Quote:the point is that being active is entirely robotic behaviour as the aspect of gameplay is entirely uninvolving Actually, the point is that in being active, you can beGǪ you knowGǪ an active participant in the process, which solves the vast majority of problems. If you decide to single-task, then that's a problem with your working process, not with the game design.
Shalua Rui wrote:Just, it's not totally true, though... EVE is as much fueled by destruction and conflict as it is fueled by creation and harmony (ie. teamwork). At least it should be, if it want's to be a true sandbox one day... right now, the destruction and conflict part weights much heavier, that's why contrived systems like CONCORD exist. Fair enough. Of course, the ones who are complaining about he destruction and conflict are also the ones who break out in hives at the thought of creation and teamwork, so they're out in the cold regardless.
Lucas Kell wrote:I'm not opposed to ganking, I've done it myself on several occasions, but it is too easy to do and with no realistic downsides. The reason it's too easy and with no realistic downsides is because that's exactly the kind of environment the players have chosen. If they're unhappy with that choice, they can make a different one. |
March rabbit
True Horde
860
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:54:00 -
[348] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Good Posting wrote:Do like me. When you see a tornado gang camping a station, switch to your ceptor, split guns and ***** kill mails like a baws. Confirming that this is why hauler ships have turret slots. lol and what,since haulers have gun slots they should fight against ganks,dude from which planet did you came from? No, dirt-for-brains. The guy I quoted said that he *****s on killmails with an interceptor. I said I ***** on killmails even with a hauler, because I put guns on them in the event that someone near me is ganked, so I can fire on the gankers and get on their CONCORD killmail. good luck doing this in freighter |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:58:00 -
[349] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Fair enough. Of course, the ones who are complaining about he destruction and conflict are also the ones who break out in hives at the thought of creation and teamwork, so they're out in the cold regardless. Yea, well, I can't argue there...
...maybe it just should be made more attractive? |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
271
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:59:00 -
[350] - Quote
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Lucas Kell wrote:I'm not opposed to ganking, I've done it myself on several occasions, but it is too easy to do and with no realistic downsides.
Quote:The reason it's too easy and with no realistic downsides is because that's exactly the kind of environment the players have chosen. If they're unhappy with that choice, they can make a different one.
Pretty sure he's trying to make that choice by making the thread
*edit * I went a different route.. I gave the New Order a billion isk and am going to dedicate my characters to advancing their cause.. why? Because as seen here nothing gets changed on the forums.. tears must be shed for there to be change.. and oh boy do they make tears |
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:06:00 -
[351] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Quote:the point is that being active is entirely robotic behaviour as the aspect of gameplay is entirely uninvolving Actually, the point is that in being active, you can beGǪ you knowGǪ an active participant in the process, which solves the vast majority of problems. If you decide to single-task, then that's a problem with your working process, not with the game design. If anything, a low-maintenance task such as arrowing up and down the overview and docking at gates is perfect for multi-tasking and maximising your productiveness. Making it boring is a choice; you can always choose not to do it that way.
That's starting to sound dangerously close to telling people how they should play. "Multi-task or face boredom".
He has a valid point. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1645
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:07:00 -
[352] - Quote
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:. Lucas Kell wrote:I'm not opposed to ganking, I've done it myself on several occasions, but it is too easy to do and with no realistic downsides. Quote:The reason it's too easy and with no realistic downsides is because that's exactly the kind of environment the players have chosen. If they're unhappy with that choice, they can make a different one. Pretty sure he's trying to make that choice by making the thread Exactly. We're not in the situation we are now because all players want it, were in this situation because null players want to be able to easily massacre high sec "bears", and because the power groups that have generally been in control of the game direction have steered it that way. Pretty soon high sec POCOs will be controlled by the same groups too.
Don't get me wrong, personally I don't care that much either way, considering I'm in one of those groups. I just worry that the future of the game is heading towards a "HTFU and PvP or GTFO" dominating gameplay, which strips away the sand part of the sandbox. It means we melted down all the sand, made ourselves some glass swords and now that and a few scraps of sand is all that's left. Soon after that it ends in broken glass and tears, and they call our mums. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
704
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:09:00 -
[353] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Shalua Rui wrote: According to whom? Not everybody likes to get in trouble all the time...
Then why aren't they sitting on the porch doing crochet instead of playing a conflict driven MMO about space ships (most of which can mount copious amounts of guns)? You realise that this game isn't only about the guns though right? There are several activities that in fact require no guns. I'm not opposed to ganking, I've done it myself on several occasions, but it is too easy to do and with no realistic downsides. Your neg sec status does not stop you doing much and can be corrected to a livable level with only a couple of hundred mil. I think ganking needs to be severely cut back, but at the same time there should be more of a reason to go out to low, null and WH space by increasing reward and decreasing high sec reward. High sec can generate the same level of income as null with relative ease, which is wrong. But at the same time high sec can be as dangerous as null, which again is wrong. Both sides need to be looked at and balanced to what they are designed to be. IMO, Null needs more rewards and higher risk (harder hitting PVE at the very least, scrambling belt rats, etc). High needs more safety and less reward. WH space needs ice, so self-sustaining is easier, and higher risk+reward Low sec needs to have reduced risk to players forcing unwanted PvP (so removal of gate ad station guns, etc) and more exploration rewards. This would encourage people to live in WHs, to explore low sec with the risk of being hunted, to group in null, and to safely pick up dregs in high sec. For me, that's what the 4 sections of space are supposed to do. There's already crapload of isk to be made in null. Despite me and my alt being blown up and losing 2 to 3 billion today, those 2 ships made me around 20 billion in null in the last 2 months.
I made 2.5 billion running sites in the last 24 hours, one hour here, one hour there... there is no comparison at all to high sec. in terms of profit vs null sec.
People will not go out there if they're risk averse. The carebear's wont, the gankers won't either, they're identical in their adversity to risk. Only the carebears are being punished for it though. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1645
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:16:00 -
[354] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:There's already crapload of isk to be made in null. Despite me and my alt being blown up and losing 2 to 3 billion today, those 2 ships made me around 20 billion in null in the last 2 months.
I made 2.5 billion running sites in the last 24 hours, one hour here, one hour there... there is no comparison at all to high sec. in terms of profit vs null sec.
People will not go out there if they're risk averse. The carebear's wont, the gankers won't either, they're identical in their adversity to risk. Only the carebears are being punished for it though. Sure, a single individual can go out there and make a fair amount of isk. sporadically. You realise the sites you run out there are not infinite right? There's a difference between something being profitable for a single individual, and something being profitable for the populous. In null, a handful of people can empty those sites. That means that the average amount of isk is heavily weighted by the guys not doing those. If you look at high sec however, L4s for example are infinite, and can make everyone, simultaneously rich. You are making a common mistake, where you take your personal experience, assume that to be the average, then come to a conclusion based on that flawed average. Your conclusion is wrong. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
704
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:18:00 -
[355] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:There's already crapload of isk to be made in null. Despite me and my alt being blown up and losing 2 to 3 billion today, those 2 ships made me around 20 billion in null in the last 2 months.
I made 2.5 billion running sites in the last 24 hours, one hour here, one hour there... there is no comparison at all to high sec. in terms of profit vs null sec.
People will not go out there if they're risk averse. The carebear's wont, the gankers won't either, they're identical in their adversity to risk. Only the carebears are being punished for it though. Sure, a single individual can go out there and make a fair amount of isk. sporadically. You realise the sites you run out there are not infinite right? There's a difference between something being profitable for a single individual, and something being profitable for the populous. In null, a handful of people can empty those sites. That means that the average amount of isk is heavily weighted by the guys not doing those. If you look at high sec however, L4s for example are infinite, and can make everyone, simultaneously rich. You are making a common mistake, where you take your personal experience, assume that to be the average, then come to a conclusion based on that flawed average. Your conclusion is wrong. They are actually infinite. When one despawns, it respawns somewhere else. I have never run out of combat sites to run. Of course I'm not restricted by Sov or agreements but that's a player made choice, not a game mechanic limitation. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1033
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:27:00 -
[356] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: 4. As for my running anoms in null, lol. I'm doing that to fund my 8 man stealth bomber wing, which will be coming to a VFK near you shortly.
Harry Forever has already demonstrated that you only need one bomber to tilt at windmills in Deklein. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1645
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:30:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:They are actually infinite. When one despawns, it respawns somewhere else. I have never run out of combat sites to run. Of course I'm not restricted by Sov or agreements but that's a player made choice, not a game mechanic limitation. Where do you get the opinion that they are infinite? Just because you don't run out during your limited play times doesn't mean they are infinite lol. And even if they were infinite, they still wouldn;t be able to be done by more than a handful of people, since there would be no more than a handful of sites. You made 20b in 60 days. Lets be super generous and say that's only 2 hours per day (average), so that 166m/hour. Now imagine there are 10 people all competing for that income. Now imagine there are 100 people. Now imagine their are 1000 people.
Do you see where there's a slight problem in your isk generation when looked at from the point of view of a population of a sector?
Conversely, every player in the entire game could go to high sec and run L4 missions, and aside from the lag it would generate, would not affect each others income significantly. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
704
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:33:00 -
[358] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: 4. As for my running anoms in null, lol. I'm doing that to fund my 8 man stealth bomber wing, which will be coming to a VFK near you shortly.
Harry Forever has already demonstrated that you only need one bomber to tilt at windmills in Deklein. Harry and I and my little squad will make a good team then. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3233
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:40:00 -
[359] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Shalua Rui wrote: According to whom? Not everybody likes to get in trouble all the time...
Then why aren't they sitting on the porch doing crochet instead of playing a conflict driven MMO about space ships (most of which can mount copious amounts of guns)? You realise that this game isn't only about the guns though right? There are several activities that in fact require no guns. I'm not opposed to ganking, I've done it myself on several occasions, but it is too easy to do and with no realistic downsides. Your neg sec status does not stop you doing much and can be corrected to a livable level with only a couple of hundred mil. I think ganking needs to be severely cut back, but at the same time there should be more of a reason to go out to low, null and WH space by increasing reward and decreasing high sec reward. High sec can generate the same level of income as null with relative ease, which is wrong. But at the same time high sec can be as dangerous as null, which again is wrong. Both sides need to be looked at and balanced to what they are designed to be. IMO, Null needs more rewards and higher risk (harder hitting PVE at the very least, scrambling belt rats, etc). High needs more safety and less reward. WH space needs ice, so self-sustaining is easier, and higher risk+reward Low sec needs to have reduced risk to players forcing unwanted PvP (so removal of gate ad station guns, etc) and more exploration rewards. This would encourage people to live in WHs, to explore low sec with the risk of being hunted, to group in null, and to safely pick up dregs in high sec. For me, that's what the 4 sections of space are supposed to do. I simply don't understand the kind of personality that looks at my post and says "you think it's all about guns"? Where, exactly did i say any such thing. I said EVE HAS guns. Try reading a post without the "crazy colored" glasses, if you don;t understand what I'm saying, ask me instead of making a stupid assumption. "most of which can mount copious amounts of guns" It would be that bit there. Most of it doesn't mount to copious amounts of guns. I run 8 accounts, with 3 chars on each and yet I only have 4 characters even trained with weapons at all.
You're just not very smart. The problem with "not smart" people is that they never understand how not smart they are.
You drew the wrong copncluclsions from a post writen in plain english. if you want to keep doing that, that's you choice, but that choise is stupid.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3233
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:40:00 -
[360] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:They'll never cease to exist because people are people. Some peopel choose to see only those things that they want to while ignoring the rest, thinking that if "only those other things go away, things will be perfect". In this game as in real life, they are wrong. Do you not see anything hypocritical in this at all? Gankers are now considerably more common than when I started. So technically, the "carebears" actually want the game to stay the way it originally was. Sounds to me like you just want the easy kills. I personally enjoy EVE for support a broad spectrum of playstyles. If the whole game turned into pure pew pew, you can bet your ass my accounts would shut down.
And then even more dumb. WTF is wrong with you? |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1646
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:48:00 -
[361] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:They'll never cease to exist because people are people. Some peopel choose to see only those things that they want to while ignoring the rest, thinking that if "only those other things go away, things will be perfect". In this game as in real life, they are wrong. Do you not see anything hypocritical in this at all? Gankers are now considerably more common than when I started. So technically, the "carebears" actually want the game to stay the way it originally was. Sounds to me like you just want the easy kills. I personally enjoy EVE for support a broad spectrum of playstyles. If the whole game turned into pure pew pew, you can bet your ass my accounts would shut down. And then even more dumb. WTF is wrong with you? Are we really going down the "I have no response thus I must call you dumb" route? I expected more from you. |
Frozen Chief
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:46:00 -
[362] - Quote
Hi-sec should not be "safe space" obviously and I have no issue with large BC fleet being able to gank a freighter or a few destroyers able to gank a barge. However if we look at the numbers - both # of ganks over time and DPS of common ganking ships vs tank of commonly ganked ships - we can see there is some level of imbalance. You can effectively setup shop in any travel chokepoint, gank anything indy or freighter that comes by with your fleet and by the end of a couple hours come out with enough profits to cover your losses with profit gained.
A balanced approach would be having it so only ganking very high value targets can cover the total losses - ship losses, tags and time spent - thus forcing ganking squads to properly scout out their targets and weigh the risks appropriately.
There are some ways this can be accomplished but they've been covered in the countless other threads on this topic. Stronger freighter would be one way, thus taking more organization and ISK involved in each gank. Harsher sec status loss penalties, people with -10 still are ganking with no issue. Force them out of hi-sec at that point, thus forcing them to strategize which ships are actually worth going after.
Looking at barges anything that isn't a Procurer and Skiff is pretty much impossible to protect with a solo account. You can do all the scouting in the world, miss one ganker and by the time he's in your belt it's too late. I don't think we need anything crazy done here but the end result should be you need more thank one ship worth a measly 3 million ISK to gank any barge. I'd be fine with 2 ships even.
Back to what I was saying about the numbers, go on EVE-Kill and look at CONCORD Police Captain's kill history. People are clearly catching on to the fact that the ganking mechanics right now are a bit unbalanced. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:50:00 -
[363] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:I expected more from you. You really did, didn't you...? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3233
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:21:00 -
[364] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:They'll never cease to exist because people are people. Some peopel choose to see only those things that they want to while ignoring the rest, thinking that if "only those other things go away, things will be perfect". In this game as in real life, they are wrong. Do you not see anything hypocritical in this at all? Gankers are now considerably more common than when I started. So technically, the "carebears" actually want the game to stay the way it originally was. Sounds to me like you just want the easy kills. I personally enjoy EVE for support a broad spectrum of playstyles. If the whole game turned into pure pew pew, you can bet your ass my accounts would shut down. And then even more dumb. WTF is wrong with you? Are we really going down the "I have no response thus I must call you dumb" route? I expected more from you.
BS, there's no response to it becuase what you're typing is even dumber than the GD standard, and I didn't know that's even possible.
I've learned not to spend to much time on people with your kind of extreme personality (ie people who take everything completely out of context, like imagining I said anyhting about EVe being about nothing but shooting). At the end of the day, people like you are too wrapped up in your own prejudices and assumptions to have an honest discussion. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1646
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:35:00 -
[365] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:BS, there's no response to it becuase what you're typing is even dumber than the GD standard, and I didn't know that's even possible.
I've learned not to spend to much time on people with your kind of extreme personality (ie people who take everything completely out of context, like imagining I said anyhting about EVe being about nothing but shooting). At the end of the day, people like you are too wrapped up in your own prejudices and assumptions to have an honest discussion. Gee wizz, thanks for clarifying. Any time you want to go ahead and make sense, that's fine with me, but at the moment all I'm seeing is you telling one group of players that they shouldn't be allowed to play the game their way because that conflicts with your way.
Please proceed to actually point out which part of my incredibly straightforward responses you seem to be struggling with. If not, then shush, stop acting like a child, and remove yourself from the discussion. |
ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:53:00 -
[366] - Quote
So how do you make High Sec safe even if you want to? I mean how would that game mechanic work? You cant keeping allowing people just to be completely safe in large areas of high sec, they should move on eventually. However I also agree that if you want to kill something in high sec then risk should be greater than reward (as eve is)
Should you really be able to gank a freighter for 10bill and only lose 100mil of ships? The worse thing now is you can buy security tags to get your sec back up instantly. So rinse and repeat you can gank freighers all day long. Somethings a little unbalanced.
So perhaps the following suggestions might help for both sides
Make highsec smaller, a lot smaller, i mean a quarter of what it is now, which will deplete resources quicker, will only contain really low grade mins, missions should only be up to level 2, etc etc forcing people to move into low sec, but make the proportion of space completely safe. Highsec should be a place where you dont earn much at all for your efforts.
If people need to learn the game then create a proving grounds region which is effectively an high safe region seperate to normal highsec, once you get to say 5mill sp you are kicked out, if your higher than 5mill you cant get in either, then you enter into the big world.
Then change low sec a little - 0.4, 0.3 regions have level 3, 4 missions, with better mins and resources, 0.2, 0.1 have level 5 missions and much better resources and then out to null sec. this way the more reward to more risk and it gradually moves people up levels.
Each level should also give a reduction in sec status hit. So if you kill something in 0.1 sec you get a much lower hit than you would in a 0.4 system
This will help new players, pve and pvp alike. Pvpers can go hunt in low sec. if pvpers want easy kills well they can get them but they get a bit of an hit for an easy kill. Kill something in 0.1 say you get a bigger reward and less of a hit. bigger reward meaning level 5 mission runners, or people mining the good stuff. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
862
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:34:00 -
[367] - Quote
yea this alt account ganking is crap, the only solution to that is ganking back, I'm at 4 billion gaking goon haulers and stuff... I would hope more high sec people would dedicate some time to this work, together we could make it impossible for the goons to do a thing up there, 50 claokers up there all day long and its over for them, no more ratting no more mining |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
40
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:43:00 -
[368] - Quote
Yeah, let's make Hi-sec suck so nobody wants to be there... seriously? Why does everyone have to destroy things they don't like instead of living harmoniously with it? |
Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.11.06 19:18:00 -
[369] - Quote
Zappity wrote:That's true. People do, however, suicide gank shuttles with pods in them.
Honestly, i don't bother with a shuttle. If I need to move that quick, I just zoom around in my pod.
Something satisfying about streaking through hi-sec yelling yeeeehaaaa in my pod.
Is this thread going to end?
I tried reading it for another four or five pages, my brain hurts. |
Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.11.06 19:24:00 -
[370] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:yea this alt account ganking is crap, the only solution to that is ganking back, I'm at 4 billion gaking goon haulers and stuff... I would hope more high sec people would dedicate some time to this work, together we could make it impossible for the goons to do a thing up there, 50 claokers up there all day long and its over for them, no more ratting no more mining
Sir, you don't suggest we actually take matters in to our own hands?
Such lunacy, off with you... |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3234
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Posted - 2013.11.06 19:31:00 -
[371] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:BS, there's no response to it becuase what you're typing is even dumber than the GD standard, and I didn't know that's even possible.
I've learned not to spend to much time on people with your kind of extreme personality (ie people who take everything completely out of context, like imagining I said anyhting about EVe being about nothing but shooting). At the end of the day, people like you are too wrapped up in your own prejudices and assumptions to have an honest discussion. Gee wizz, thanks for clarifying. Any time you want to go ahead and make sense, that's fine with me, but at the moment all I'm seeing is you telling one group of players that they shouldn't be allowed to play the game their way because that conflicts with your way. Please proceed to actually point out which part of my incredibly straightforward responses you seem to be struggling with. If not, then shush, stop acting like a child, and remove yourself from the discussion.
Do you take medication for your condition? |
Fix Lag
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
585
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Posted - 2013.11.06 19:32:00 -
[372] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:yea this alt account ganking is crap, the only solution to that is ganking back, I'm at 4 billion gaking goon haulers and stuff... I would hope more high sec people would dedicate some time to this work, together we could make it impossible for the goons to do a thing up there, 50 claokers up there all day long and its over for them, no more ratting no more mining
Harry what do I need to do to help you end the GOON menace for all time? |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
214
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Posted - 2013.11.06 19:39:00 -
[373] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. Your first wrong impression is to think Hi-Sec is supposedly safe. Your second is your assumption that this isn't the game CCP designed. It's exactly what they designed, and people are using as it is designed. Your final wrong assumption is you think the game is broke in this aspect of the game.
It isnt an assumption. Just to quote the message being displayed when you try to jump into low sec space, "You will be beyond CONCORD's protection" NOTretribution. This certainly implies CONCORD will protect you, the message may be changed in the future, BUT it shows what CCP intended high sec to be, an area of space that is relatively safe (aside from war decs). High sec space has always been a safe little area of space for players. The purpose of the wardec system is to allow fighting in high sec space...ganking is not fighting or pvping. To be honest I agree with the OP ganking is a nice facet of EVE but this has went from EVE Online to GANKING Online...it is a bit ridiculous. Ive ganked people before and I still say that. ganking overall doesnt bother me, its kind of exciting knowing if I will survive when i undock...but the massive increase in it just destroys the point of eve...to fight. A fleet of dessies sitting on a gate shooting indies is not fighting. |
Project Paindora
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.06 19:49:00 -
[374] - Quote
Fix Lag wrote:Harry Forever wrote:yea this alt account ganking is crap, the only solution to that is ganking back, I'm at 4 billion gaking goon haulers and stuff... I would hope more high sec people would dedicate some time to this work, together we could make it impossible for the goons to do a thing up there, 50 claokers up there all day long and its over for them, no more ratting no more mining Harry what do I need to do to help you end the GOON menace for all time?
+1 |
Tiffany Kautsuo
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
9
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Posted - 2013.11.06 19:55:00 -
[375] - Quote
Frozen Chief wrote:Hi-sec should not be "safe space" obviously and I have no issue with large BC fleet being able to gank a freighter or a few destroyers able to gank a barge. However if we look at the numbers - both # of ganks over time and DPS of common ganking ships vs tank of commonly ganked ships - we can see there is some level of imbalance. You can effectively setup shop in any travel chokepoint, gank anything indy or freighter that comes by with your fleet and by the end of a couple hours come out with enough profits to cover your losses with profit gained.
A balanced approach would be having it so only ganking very high value targets can cover the total losses - ship losses, tags and time spent - thus forcing ganking squads to properly scout out their targets and weigh the risks appropriately.
There are some ways this can be accomplished but they've been covered in the countless other threads on this topic. Stronger freighter would be one way, thus taking more organization and ISK involved in each gank. Harsher sec status loss penalties, people with -10 still are ganking with no issue. Force them out of hi-sec at that point, thus forcing them to strategize which ships are actually worth going after.
Looking at barges anything that isn't a Procurer and Skiff is pretty much impossible to protect with a solo account. You can do all the scouting in the world, miss one ganker and by the time he's in your belt it's too late. I don't think we need anything crazy done here but the end result should be you need more thank one ship worth a measly 3 million ISK to gank any barge. I'd be fine with 2 ships even.
Back to what I was saying about the numbers, go on EVE-Kill and look at CONCORD Police Captain's kill history. People are clearly catching on to the fact that the ganking mechanics right now are a bit unbalanced.
Regarding dying in belt. Set D-scan at 200,000 km 360 degree's, use it and you'll see the catalyst trying to Gank you, warp off and you won't be dead. You'll only be caught by a cloaky ship, but if that's what they're ganking with then gankees should die
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
174
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:46:00 -
[376] - Quote
Personal attack post removed. Forum rule 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1375
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:58:00 -
[377] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:They'll never cease to exist because people are people. Some peopel choose to see only those things that they want to while ignoring the rest, thinking that if "only those other things go away, things will be perfect". In this game as in real life, they are wrong. Do you not see anything hypocritical in this at all? Gankers are now considerably more common than when I started. So technically, the "carebears" actually want the game to stay the way it originally was. Sounds to me like you just want the easy kills. I personally enjoy EVE for support a broad spectrum of playstyles. If the whole game turned into pure pew pew, you can bet your ass my accounts would shut down.
Heh, no. Idk what highsec you were hanging around in, but ganking is down lower than ever before. The thin skinned are just getting louder.
The carebears don't want the game back to what it originally was, because there was no CONCORD, no Crimewatch, barges were paper thin, and there was no warp to zero for gates.
They're the ones insisting the rules be changed to suit their inability to play the game correctly. There is NO moral equivalency here. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
720
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:12:00 -
[378] - Quote
Frozen Chief wrote:Hi-sec should not be "safe space" obviously and I have no issue with large BC fleet being able to gank a freighter or a few destroyers able to gank a barge. However if we look at the numbers - both # of ganks over time and DPS of common ganking ships vs tank of commonly ganked ships - we can see there is some level of imbalance. You can effectively setup shop in any travel chokepoint, gank anything indy or freighter that comes by with your fleet and by the end of a couple hours come out with enough profits to cover your losses with profit gained.
A balanced approach would be having it so only ganking very high value targets can cover the total losses - ship losses, tags and time spent - thus forcing ganking squads to properly scout out their targets and weigh the risks appropriately.
There are some ways this can be accomplished but they've been covered in the countless other threads on this topic. Stronger freighter would be one way, thus taking more organization and ISK involved in each gank. Harsher sec status loss penalties, people with -10 still are ganking with no issue. Force them out of hi-sec at that point, thus forcing them to strategize which ships are actually worth going after.
Looking at barges anything that isn't a Procurer and Skiff is pretty much impossible to protect with a solo account. You can do all the scouting in the world, miss one ganker and by the time he's in your belt it's too late. I don't think we need anything crazy done here but the end result should be you need more thank one ship worth a measly 3 million ISK to gank any barge. I'd be fine with 2 ships even.
Back to what I was saying about the numbers, go on EVE-Kill and look at CONCORD Police Captain's kill history. People are clearly catching on to the fact that the ganking mechanics right now are a bit unbalanced. Yeah this.
No one is suggesting ganking shouldn't be possible. Nor that there should be a weapons hold in empire. Not that you should be able to autopilot completely safely. Nor any of the other straw man arguments that the ganker supporters in this thread have raised.
The issue is one of balance. For a balanced game you need to have risk for both sides, the target and the attacker. If the target was completely immune from loss, or unable to be killed we would have the Jenn's and the Kalrusses incessently whinging and whining like little bitches.
Unfortunately, its the Jenns and Kalrusses that have no risk, and are immune from loss and the targets are the only ones risking anything. Its highly ironic that they call the targets carebear's while they hide behind their alts in highsec benefiting from the protection of Concord until they attack, scooping the loot with a npc alt and then go hide in a station till the timer runs out.
Anyone who thinks that is balanced or EvE-like, I just don't know, but I do thank you for increasing my overall IQ.
I think the main problem is with the destroyers which are putting out close to the DPS of my Ishtar with T2 Sentries or Ogres II. They put out more DPS than most cruisers, and a few BC. That's absurd for such a little ship with such little skill training time.
Another problem is the security rating, you lose the same security in a .1 as you do ganking someone in a .5. WTF is that? If I shoot someone in Afghanistan I'd probably not be arrested, I think Afghanistan would be pretty close to a 0.1. If I shoot someone here in Sydney I'd be crucified, spend 10 to 15 years in jail.
EvE has a lot of problems, most of them are caused by a small group of selfish players that CCP coddles. The other problems are caused by CCP itself, they're constantly reinventing EvE, every time they reinvent it they leave a little bit of the old EvE behind that greatly conflicts with the newer changes. EHP and destroyers are one such conflict that the small group of selfish players are exploiting at the moment.
It needs a fix.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1375
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:29:00 -
[379] - Quote
No, it does not.
You are confusing equality of opportunity with equality of result.
Everyone has an equal chance to do well at this game, the same tools are available to everyone, and barring some minor exceptions of market monopolies, the same items and ships as well. Obvious not everyone can have a Revenant.
The playing field is the same for everyone. What they choose to do with it, is not.
Some numbskull, afk, tankless miner has no right whatsoever to tell me, a real player, that I should have to have a higher isk loss to kill him. He's not actually playing the game, he has abdicated the ability to defend himself.
Quote:Unfortunately, its the Jenns and Kalrusses that have no risk, and are immune from loss and the targets are the only ones risking anything.
That's called picking your targets. You will find that, by not doing incredibly stupid things like using autopilot in untanked ships, that you get blown up a lot less.
Quote: think the main problem is with the destroyers which are putting out close to the DPS of my Ishtar with T2 Sentries or Ogres II. They put out more DPS than most cruisers, and a few BC. That's absurd for such a little ship with such little skill training time.
Yeah, you're wrong. The entire point of the destroyer ship class is that it punches above it's weight class. Otherwise a cruiser, which has more tank and typically the same or better speed, is automatically better.
So, should we remove destroyers now too, because you haven't yet realized that by using autopilot under any circumstances you deserve to get blown up?
Quote:No one is suggesting ganking shouldn't be possible.
There are 3+ threads, per day in F&I, that pop up saying exactly that. People in this thread have said exactly that. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2168
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:33:00 -
[380] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Frozen Chief wrote:Hi-sec should not be "safe space" obviously and I have no issue with large BC fleet being able to gank a freighter or a few destroyers able to gank a barge. However if we look at the numbers - both # of ganks over time and DPS of common ganking ships vs tank of commonly ganked ships - we can see there is some level of imbalance. You can effectively setup shop in any travel chokepoint, gank anything indy or freighter that comes by with your fleet and by the end of a couple hours come out with enough profits to cover your losses with profit gained.
A balanced approach would be having it so only ganking very high value targets can cover the total losses - ship losses, tags and time spent - thus forcing ganking squads to properly scout out their targets and weigh the risks appropriately.
There are some ways this can be accomplished but they've been covered in the countless other threads on this topic. Stronger freighter would be one way, thus taking more organization and ISK involved in each gank. Harsher sec status loss penalties, people with -10 still are ganking with no issue. Force them out of hi-sec at that point, thus forcing them to strategize which ships are actually worth going after.
Looking at barges anything that isn't a Procurer and Skiff is pretty much impossible to protect with a solo account. You can do all the scouting in the world, miss one ganker and by the time he's in your belt it's too late. I don't think we need anything crazy done here but the end result should be you need more thank one ship worth a measly 3 million ISK to gank any barge. I'd be fine with 2 ships even.
Back to what I was saying about the numbers, go on EVE-Kill and look at CONCORD Police Captain's kill history. People are clearly catching on to the fact that the ganking mechanics right now are a bit unbalanced. Yeah this. No one is suggesting ganking shouldn't be possible. Nor that there should be a weapons hold in empire. Not that you should be able to autopilot completely safely. Nor any of the other straw man arguments that the ganker supporters in this thread have raised. The issue is one of balance. For a balanced game you need to have risk for both sides, the target and the attacker. If the target was completely immune from loss, or unable to be killed we would have the Jenn's and the Kalrusses incessently whinging and whining like little bitches. Unfortunately, its the Jenns and Kalrusses that have no risk, and are immune from loss and the targets are the only ones risking anything. Its highly ironic that they call the targets carebear's while they hide behind their alts in highsec benefiting from the protection of Concord until they attack, scooping the loot with a npc alt and then go hide in a station till the timer runs out. Anyone who thinks that is balanced or EvE-like, I just don't know, but I do thank you for increasing my overall IQ. I think the main problem is with the destroyers which are putting out close to the DPS of my Ishtar with T2 Sentries or Ogres II. They put out more DPS than most cruisers, and a few BC. That's absurd for such a little ship with such little skill training time. Another problem is the security rating, you lose the same security in a .1 as you do ganking someone in a .5. WTF is that? If I shoot someone in Afghanistan I'd probably not be arrested, I think Afghanistan would be pretty close to a 0.1. If I shoot someone here in Sydney I'd be crucified, spend 10 to 15 years in jail. EvE has a lot of problems, most of them are caused by a small group of selfish players that CCP coddles. The other problems are caused by CCP itself, they're constantly reinventing EvE, every time they reinvent it they leave a little bit of the old EvE behind that greatly conflicts with the newer changes. EHP and destroyer dps are one such conflict that the small group of selfish players are exploiting at the moment. It needs a fix.
Page 19 and you are still mad.
Please go back to page 1 and re-read how to purchase a mining permit.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
296
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:33:00 -
[381] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:[... It needs a fix.
No, as has been reasonably explained to you many times, it doesn't. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance of calling something IMBALANCE! only when it bothers you? That's why you attract ridicule, these threads get into squabbles over details or opinions without a scrap of insight into game balance or any lack of it.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2169
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:37:00 -
[382] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:[... It needs a fix. No, as has been reasonably explained to you many times, it doesn't. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance of calling something IMBALANCE! only when it bothers you? That's why you attract ridicule, these threads get into squabbles over details or opinions without a scrap of insight into game balance or any lack of it.
She needs to read and accept the Code. The Code will set her free. |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:58:00 -
[383] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:[... It needs a fix. No, as has been reasonably explained to you many times, it doesn't. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance of calling something IMBALANCE! only when it bothers you? That's why you attract ridicule, these threads get into squabbles over details or opinions without a scrap of insight into game balance or any lack of it. She needs to read and accept the Code. The Code will set her free.
No she dosent, nor do any other miner, just mine in a proc or skitt, preferably a proc, since their easilly replaced, and it will make your organisation loose money trying to deal with them, greed is bad in eve, greed gets you killed, tank your god damn boats ! |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2169
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:02:00 -
[384] - Quote
Fey Ivory wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:[... It needs a fix. No, as has been reasonably explained to you many times, it doesn't. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance of calling something IMBALANCE! only when it bothers you? That's why you attract ridicule, these threads get into squabbles over details or opinions without a scrap of insight into game balance or any lack of it. She needs to read and accept the Code. The Code will set her free. No she dosent, nor do any other miner, just mine in a proc or skitt, preferably a proc, since their easilly replaced, and it will make your organisation loose money trying to deal with them, greed is bad in eve, greed gets you killed, tank your god damn boats !
I can assure you that we won't "loose" any isk Mr. Miner. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
721
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:04:00 -
[385] - Quote
Fey Ivory wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:[... It needs a fix. No, as has been reasonably explained to you many times, it doesn't. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance of calling something IMBALANCE! only when it bothers you? That's why you attract ridicule, these threads get into squabbles over details or opinions without a scrap of insight into game balance or any lack of it. She needs to read and accept the Code. The Code will set her free. No she dosent, nor do any other miner, just mine in a proc or skitt, preferably a proc, since their easilly replaced, and it will make your organisation loose money trying to deal with them, greed is bad in eve, greed gets you killed, tank your god damn boats ! Tanks don't work. If you tanked your boats, instead of using 1 or two cats they'd use 3 or 4. If they needed 5 or 6 they'd use 5 or 6. Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps) and a Procurer costs around 25m tanked and fitted they'll still win.
This is why New Order exists. They're rich nullbears or carebears (likely miners :) hiding behind alts ganking people because they can and they find it fun and not in anyway risky. If you added risk they'd all vanish back to their mains never to be heard of again. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2169
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:07:00 -
[386] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Fey Ivory wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:[... It needs a fix. No, as has been reasonably explained to you many times, it doesn't. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance of calling something IMBALANCE! only when it bothers you? That's why you attract ridicule, these threads get into squabbles over details or opinions without a scrap of insight into game balance or any lack of it. She needs to read and accept the Code. The Code will set her free. No she dosent, nor do any other miner, just mine in a proc or skitt, preferably a proc, since their easilly replaced, and it will make your organisation loose money trying to deal with them, greed is bad in eve, greed gets you killed, tank your god damn boats ! Tanks don't work. If you tanked your boats, instead of using 1 or two cats they'd use 3 or 4. If they needed 5 or 6 they'd use 5 or 6. Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps) and a Procurer costs around 25m tanked and fitted they'll still win. This is why New Order exists. They're rich nullbears or carebears (likely miners :) hiding behind alts ganking people because they can and they find it fun and not in anyway risky. If you added risk they'd all vanish back to their mains never to be heard of again.
I am my main.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
721
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:12:00 -
[387] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Fey Ivory wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: She needs to read and accept the Code. The Code will set her free.
No she dosent, nor do any other miner, just mine in a proc or skitt, preferably a proc, since their easilly replaced, and it will make your organisation loose money trying to deal with them, greed is bad in eve, greed gets you killed, tank your god damn boats ! Tanks don't work. If you tanked your boats, instead of using 1 or two cats they'd use 3 or 4. If they needed 5 or 6 they'd use 5 or 6. Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps) and a Procurer costs around 25m tanked and fitted they'll still win. This is why New Order exists. They're rich nullbears or carebears (likely miners :) hiding behind alts ganking people because they can and they find it fun and not in anyway risky. If you added risk they'd all vanish back to their mains never to be heard of again. I am my main. Yeah lol. I know who you are and who your other main is. The one thing I like about you is you're actually pulling off a pretty awesome scam, scamming the gankers who are ganking the miners, while getting the miners to pay for permits. Its classic EvE, so good job, but the ganking still needs to change. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
793
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:14:00 -
[388] - Quote
CCP has established that attacking or harassing defenseless vessels isn't bullying or griefing. They fully support that if you have played longer than someone else or have gathered more "friends" than someone else that you should be allowed to inflict anguish on another player and then come to the forums and mock them.
EvE caters to an individuals base desires and rewards actions that are punishable in normal society. Even in areas that should follow the norms of normal society. it shouldn't take too long to figure this out. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
721
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:14:00 -
[389] - Quote
Nexus Day wrote:CCP has established that attacking or harassing defenseless vessels isn't bullying or griefing. They fully support that if you have played longer than someone else or have gathered more "friends" than someone else that you should be allowed to inflict anguish on another player and then come to the forums and mock them.
EvE caters to an individuals base desires and rewards actions that are punishable in normal society. Even in areas that should follow the norms of normal society. it shouldn't take too long to figure this out. That has zero to do with this thread. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1376
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:16:00 -
[390] - Quote
Quote:Yeah lol. I know who you and you who your other main is. The one thing I like about you is you're actually pulling off a pretty awesome scam, scamming the gankers who are ganking the miners, while getting the miners to pay for permits. Its classic EvE, so good job, but the ganking still needs to change.
Because you died while autopiloting, right?
Haven't you asked yourself who it was who dropped that alt of yours for no apparent value? Or why? Perhaps, as an enternal badposter, someone ran down that alt and decided to blow you out of the sky for the lulz alone. That person might not have realized he'd get an entire thread worth of tears about it, but regardless I'm sure they are happy of the end result. |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2169
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:25:00 -
[391] - Quote
I do not scam. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1377
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:28:00 -
[392] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:I do not scam.
Confirming the honesty of the isk doubling of Erotica 1. I myself am a satisfied customer. |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:29:00 -
[393] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Fey Ivory wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:[... It needs a fix. No, as has been reasonably explained to you many times, it doesn't. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance of calling something IMBALANCE! only when it bothers you? That's why you attract ridicule, these threads get into squabbles over details or opinions without a scrap of insight into game balance or any lack of it. She needs to read and accept the Code. The Code will set her free. No she dosent, nor do any other miner, just mine in a proc or skitt, preferably a proc, since their easilly replaced, and it will make your organisation loose money trying to deal with them, greed is bad in eve, greed gets you killed, tank your god damn boats ! Tanks don't work. If you tanked your boats, instead of using 1 or two cats they'd use 3 or 4. If they needed 5 or 6 they'd use 5 or 6. Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps) and a Procurer costs around 25m tanked and fitted they'll still win. This is why New Order exists. They're rich nullbears or carebears (likely miners :) hiding behind alts ganking people because they can and they find it fun and not in anyway risky. If you added risk they'd all vanish back to their mains never to be heard of again.
Its true, if they want to gank you, they allways can, and i dont agree to your calculation regarding what they loose in ships vs a properly tanked proc, wich is fairly easy to get 70k+ ehp on, and the loss in ore yield is fairly small compared how much tank you gain, and you soon make the money back with new procs, if you need to replace them, and consider this also, isk loss isent everything, if they need to pull in 6+ catas it means they need to pull in more players, that dosent do other things, its personal loss, and that hurts more then isk |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1052
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:30:00 -
[394] - Quote
All of my dealings with Erotica 1 have been honest, forthright, and profitable. Now, tell me more about these ghosts, Infinity Ziona. Oops, wrong thread. I meant, tell me more about your tears, Infinity Ziona. |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:31:00 -
[395] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Fey Ivory wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:[... It needs a fix. No, as has been reasonably explained to you many times, it doesn't. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance of calling something IMBALANCE! only when it bothers you? That's why you attract ridicule, these threads get into squabbles over details or opinions without a scrap of insight into game balance or any lack of it. She needs to read and accept the Code. The Code will set her free. No she dosent, nor do any other miner, just mine in a proc or skitt, preferably a proc, since their easilly replaced, and it will make your organisation loose money trying to deal with them, greed is bad in eve, greed gets you killed, tank your god damn boats ! Tanks don't work. If you tanked your boats, instead of using 1 or two cats they'd use 3 or 4. If they needed 5 or 6 they'd use 5 or 6. Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps) and a Procurer costs around 25m tanked and fitted they'll still win. This is why New Order exists. They're rich nullbears or carebears (likely miners :) hiding behind alts ganking people because they can and they find it fun and not in anyway risky. If you added risk they'd all vanish back to their mains never to be heard of again.
Tanks do work. If you tank your ship, they come after you like you're part of the 95% who do not tank their ship and you survive. Anyone with an ounce of caution does not stick around in the exact same place to see if they come back with more ships. And it's far, far easier for them to switch targets than it is to gather more gankers to come find you. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1053
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:47:00 -
[396] - Quote
Postin' while flyin' my alt through highsec right now like it ain't no thang...
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
732
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:53:00 -
[397] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Yeah lol. I know who you and you who your other main is. The one thing I like about you is you're actually pulling off a pretty awesome scam, scamming the gankers who are ganking the miners, while getting the miners to pay for permits. Its classic EvE, so good job, but the ganking still needs to change. Because you died while autopiloting, right? Haven't you asked yourself who it was who dropped that alt of yours for no apparent value? Or why? Perhaps, as an enternal badposter, someone ran down that alt and decided to blow you out of the sky for the lulz alone. That person might not have realized he'd get an entire thread worth of tears about it, but regardless I'm sure they are happy of the end result. No the alt was just an example to show that gankers will kill anyone, even the ship and pod of an 30 minute old character. The alt was in a velator with a default 1 million skillpoiint clone, both cost zero to replace. I just undocked her again and rehit autopilot.
And I know who killed her, it was a ******** Jita based corporation called Islamic Jipod. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2169
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:56:00 -
[398] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Yeah lol. I know who you and you who your other main is. The one thing I like about you is you're actually pulling off a pretty awesome scam, scamming the gankers who are ganking the miners, while getting the miners to pay for permits. Its classic EvE, so good job, but the ganking still needs to change. Because you died while autopiloting, right? Haven't you asked yourself who it was who dropped that alt of yours for no apparent value? Or why? Perhaps, as an enternal badposter, someone ran down that alt and decided to blow you out of the sky for the lulz alone. That person might not have realized he'd get an entire thread worth of tears about it, but regardless I'm sure they are happy of the end result. No the alt was just an example to show that gankers will kill anyone, even the ship and pod of an 30 minute old character. The alt was in a velator with a default 1 million skillpoiint clone, both cost zero to replace. I just undocked her again and rehit autopilot. And I know who killed her, it was a ******** Jita based corporation called Islamic Jipod.
A what based corp? Funny corp name LOL |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:59:00 -
[399] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: And I know who killed her, it was a ******** Jita based corporation called Islamic Jipod.
Eve hands you a hilarious story like that and you get on the forums to complain? CCP could give us the ability to form Voltron and you'd complain about having to multibox to do it. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2169
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Posted - 2013.11.07 03:04:00 -
[400] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: And I know who killed her, it was a ******** Jita based corporation called Islamic Jipod.
Eve hands you a hilarious story like that and you get on the forums to complain? CCP could give us the ability to form Voltron and you'd complain about having to multibox to do it.
HAHA
It would be glorious if Knights could join together to form Voltron and have James 315 take command. |
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
193
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Posted - 2013.11.07 03:08:00 -
[401] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Fey Ivory wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:[... It needs a fix. No, as has been reasonably explained to you many times, it doesn't. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance of calling something IMBALANCE! only when it bothers you? That's why you attract ridicule, these threads get into squabbles over details or opinions without a scrap of insight into game balance or any lack of it. She needs to read and accept the Code. The Code will set her free. No she dosent, nor do any other miner, just mine in a proc or skitt, preferably a proc, since their easilly replaced, and it will make your organisation loose money trying to deal with them, greed is bad in eve, greed gets you killed, tank your god damn boats ! Tanks don't work. If you tanked your boats, instead of using 1 or two cats they'd use 3 or 4. If they needed 5 or 6 they'd use 5 or 6. Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps) and a Procurer costs around 25m tanked and fitted they'll still win. This is why New Order exists. They're rich nullbears or carebears (likely miners :) hiding behind alts ganking people because they can and they find it fun and not in anyway risky. If you added risk they'd all vanish back to their mains never to be heard of again.
Any suggestions on how to find these multitudinous procurer ganks? You have a link to a website or something? Not to be rude, but if you had actual examples of such ganks, I doubt you'd be posting about said procurer ganks in the subjunctive mode. Let's make it simple. How many procurer ganks do you think the New Order has done in the past month? |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
170
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Posted - 2013.11.07 03:25:00 -
[402] - Quote
Xorionna wrote:Don Purple wrote:Dear OP You literally only need to be at your computer to survive MOST ganks. A properly fit ship will survive MOST ganks. You spit on a lifestyle that is an extremely active play style, most gankers I know just fly as -10 in highesc because there's no point to having a positive sec status. You can not sit still or afk or you die before you make your hit. You are blatantly stating that a player not even at his computer should have a chance to survive against someone actually clicking their mouse? Tell me when in this game, a PVP game, will any pilot survive a fight they are not at their computer for? And if you have an answer or a defense to this then maybe THAT needs fixed. The problem I see about high sec pvp is that the only tactic that exists is to fly a destroyer and have a lot of friends. I suppose if you try to kill someone in my fleet, I can't retaliate on a ganking ship unless you shoot me first. The only PVP choice right now is 1 ship vs X destroyers. Attacking a fleet, and allowing a fleet to defend one member should be possible. Right now the only thing you can do is wardec a corporation, unless your ganking pilot is in a NPC corporation, in that case I believe you can only cry sweet tears. I don't want less PVP, and I don't think the point of the thread was about that either. I just want to see different types of pvp in high sec. The only elements existing in high sec pvp is tankoing the bait ship, have a scout and fly a destroyer to pew pew. Never saw a fleet of Exequror/Osprey roaming in high sec to remote rep some random Orca.
Your choice is to go places where there aren't wolves.
This game does protect you from eliminating wild life so you'll just need to protect your sheep.
When the wolves are starved they'll wander on to the wild lands that they normally should prey in.
Find systems farther from trade routes or down dead end corridors. Meet the people in your high sec neighborhood. Be aware of suspicious activity.
Take shelter if there is a mad man on the streets. You can't kill schizophrenics either (now that mixed the wolf metaphor) |
destiny2
Perkone Caldari State
248
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Posted - 2013.11.07 07:35:00 -
[403] - Quote
invest ina jump clone and jump around, HEY! that reminds me of a song :D |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
735
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Posted - 2013.11.07 08:23:00 -
[404] - Quote
Diomedes Calypso wrote:Xorionna wrote:Don Purple wrote:Dear OP You literally only need to be at your computer to survive MOST ganks. A properly fit ship will survive MOST ganks. You spit on a lifestyle that is an extremely active play style, most gankers I know just fly as -10 in highesc because there's no point to having a positive sec status. You can not sit still or afk or you die before you make your hit. You are blatantly stating that a player not even at his computer should have a chance to survive against someone actually clicking their mouse? Tell me when in this game, a PVP game, will any pilot survive a fight they are not at their computer for? And if you have an answer or a defense to this then maybe THAT needs fixed. The problem I see about high sec pvp is that the only tactic that exists is to fly a destroyer and have a lot of friends. I suppose if you try to kill someone in my fleet, I can't retaliate on a ganking ship unless you shoot me first. The only PVP choice right now is 1 ship vs X destroyers. Attacking a fleet, and allowing a fleet to defend one member should be possible. Right now the only thing you can do is wardec a corporation, unless your ganking pilot is in a NPC corporation, in that case I believe you can only cry sweet tears. I don't want less PVP, and I don't think the point of the thread was about that either. I just want to see different types of pvp in high sec. The only elements existing in high sec pvp is tankoing the bait ship, have a scout and fly a destroyer to pew pew. Never saw a fleet of Exequror/Osprey roaming in high sec to remote rep some random Orca. Your choice is to go places where there aren't wolves. This game does protect you from eliminating wild life so you'll just need to protect your sheep. When the wolves are starved they'll wander on to the wild lands that they normally should prey in. Find systems farther from trade routes or down dead end corridors. Meet the people in your high sec neighborhood. Be aware of suspicious activity. Take shelter if there is a mad man on the streets. You can't kill schizophrenics either (now that mixed the wolf metaphor) Lol wolves hey. Thats an insult to our four legged furry friends. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
645
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Posted - 2013.11.07 09:08:00 -
[405] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
Fit a reasonable buffer tank when traveling AFK. Gets VERY VERY safe.
If you travel in an AFK cruiser with a 1600 plate and nothign extremely valuable in cargo hold, you can probably do it for years without being ganked. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
645
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Posted - 2013.11.07 09:13:00 -
[406] - Quote
Xorionna wrote:Don Purple wrote:Dear OP You literally only need to be at your computer to survive MOST ganks. A properly fit ship will survive MOST ganks. You spit on a lifestyle that is an extremely active play style, most gankers I know just fly as -10 in highesc because there's no point to having a positive sec status. You can not sit still or afk or you die before you make your hit. You are blatantly stating that a player not even at his computer should have a chance to survive against someone actually clicking their mouse? Tell me when in this game, a PVP game, will any pilot survive a fight they are not at their computer for? And if you have an answer or a defense to this then maybe THAT needs fixed. The problem I see about high sec pvp is that the only tactic that exists is to fly a destroyer and have a lot of friends. I suppose if you try to kill someone in my fleet, I can't retaliate on a ganking ship unless you shoot me first. The only PVP choice right now is 1 ship vs X destroyers. Attacking a fleet, and allowing a fleet to defend one member should be possible. Right now the only thing you can do is wardec a corporation, unless your ganking pilot is in a NPC corporation, in that case I believe you can only cry sweet tears. I don't want less PVP, and I don't think the point of the thread was about that either. I just want to see different types of pvp in high sec. The only elements existing in high sec pvp is tankoing the bait ship, have a scout and fly a destroyer to pew pew. Never saw a fleet of Exequror/Osprey roaming in high sec to remote rep some random Orca.
The lack of knowledge ia amzing.
You can defend your fleet! As soon as the gangker goes GCC you can fire at it. You jsut will nto have much time because concord and gates will blap them very fast.
You can enhance your fleet defeensive capabilities with gang bonuses... you can bring a logistic ship to remove repair, jsut again.. cocnord is already doing a WAY better job thanyour fleet can do.
The only thing I agree is with the NPC corportaion issue.
ALL players shoudl be booted from war dec immune corp after 1 year. Want to commit any act? Be ready to be pursued.
Also 1 man corps shoudl be wardeccable for free.. becuse epoepl just disband them and remake them. Corp shoudl cost isk only after 10 members are on it. |
Marexlovox
BLOMI BricK sQuAD.
20
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Posted - 2013.11.07 09:59:00 -
[407] - Quote
Ganking is a Profession - Its a form of Pirating. No difference from someone jumping into low sec dieing to a gang waiting at the gate tanking gate guns. There are ways to get away from gank waiting in the pipe, which everyone should know they are there by now, JF away from the forge, cloaky haulers. |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy
251
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Posted - 2013.11.07 10:25:00 -
[408] - Quote
Quote:should I sit at my PC in high sec making 24 jumps from Jita to Rens just in case some douche alt wants to blow up my shuttle and pod me for lolz.
Yes |
Lailyana Enaka
Saved Before Death Industries
32
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Posted - 2013.11.07 10:30:00 -
[409] - Quote
Aracimia Wolfe wrote:Quote:should I sit at my PC in high sec making 24 jumps from Jita to Rens just in case some douche alt wants to blow up my shuttle and pod me for lolz. Yes
made 28 jumps from amarr to josekorn just a few days ago, did it sitting in front of the screen, in a retireiver, didnt get ganked, and i survived to tell the tale |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
268
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Posted - 2013.11.07 10:30:00 -
[410] - Quote
I'd suggest a high sec boycott but i can't do it with a straight face. |
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.07 10:38:00 -
[411] - Quote
Lailyana Enaka wrote:made 28 jumps from amarr to josekorn just a few days ago, did it sitting in front of the screen, in a retireiver, didnt get ganked, and i survived to tell the tale ...and you do that how often, exactly? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1648
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Posted - 2013.11.07 10:48:00 -
[412] - Quote
Kagura Nikon wrote:You can defend your fleet! As soon as the gangker goes GCC you can fire at it. You jsut will nto have much time because concord and gates will blap them very fast.
You can enhance your fleet defeensive capabilities with gang bonuses... you can bring a logistic ship to remove repair, jsut again.. cocnord is already doing a WAY better job thanyour fleet can do. The only way to defend against a gank reasonably is ECM. And even then, you can only reduce the DPS by a certain amount, and most ganking groups will have taken that into consideration. Best of luck using logi to rep a ship through a gank lol. If the gankers aren't out on their first trip, they will have taken an extra 1 ship to counter that.Kagura Nikon wrote:The only thing I agree is with the NPC corportaion issue.
ALL players shoudl be booted from war dec immune corp after 1 year. Want to commit any act? Be ready to be pursued. That's a brilliant idea! Gankers who currently hide in npc corps so they can't be killed. Oh wait... They don't. They generally have -10 sec status and so can be killed by anyone anyway. The only thing this would do is make people have to make even more corps to abandon their alts in.
Kagura Nikon wrote:Also 1 man corps shoudl be wardeccable for free.. becuse epoepl just disband them and remake them. Corp shoudl cost isk only after 10 members are on it. And how would that help? That would just mean people would freely wardec every tiny corp they see, meaning you have to fill a corp with 10 alts or randoms to be protected from random wardecs. |
Kaaii
Kaaii-Net Research Labs KAAII-NET
30
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Posted - 2013.11.07 11:14:00 -
[413] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: No I haven't been ganked but.........
Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.
I stopped reading here.
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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD
114
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Posted - 2013.11.07 11:39:00 -
[414] - Quote
Kaaii wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: No I haven't been ganked but......... Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs. I stopped reading here.
Ziona is known to contradict his/herself in his/her own forum threads just to make a point, badly. |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
31
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Posted - 2013.11.07 14:41:00 -
[415] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps) and a Procurer costs around 25m tanked and fitted they'll still win.
Please link this T1 Cat fit that does 1000+ DPS. Hell, link a T2 fit that does. Also, how is losing 50M worth of ships to kill a 25M ship a win?
Kaaii wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: No I haven't been ganked but......... Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs. I stopped reading here.
I considered stopping at this point, but I wanted to see how foolish the OP made herself the rest of the thread. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
862
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Posted - 2013.11.07 18:29:00 -
[416] - Quote
Fix Lag wrote:Harry Forever wrote:yea this alt account ganking is crap, the only solution to that is ganking back, I'm at 4 billion gaking goon haulers and stuff... I would hope more high sec people would dedicate some time to this work, together we could make it impossible for the goons to do a thing up there, 50 claokers up there all day long and its over for them, no more ratting no more mining Harry what do I need to do to help you end the GOON menace for all time?
get a bomber and dedicate some time in VFK area, gatecamp and gank their ships, we need to flood their systems with cloaked bombers, I'm doing it since months but we need more people who are up there all around the clock, they should not be able to move around anymore... |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
633
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Posted - 2013.11.07 19:19:00 -
[417] - Quote
X'ing up for T1 fit cata doing 1000 dps for 10mil isk. Somehow the gank community has totally overlooked this excellent fit. |
Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.11.07 19:30:00 -
[418] - Quote
Lailyana Enaka wrote:Aracimia Wolfe wrote:Quote:should I sit at my PC in high sec making 24 jumps from Jita to Rens just in case some douche alt wants to blow up my shuttle and pod me for lolz. Yes made 28 jumps from amarr to josekorn just a few days ago, did it sitting in front of the screen, in a retireiver, didnt get ganked, and i survived to tell the tale
I applaud your tenacity and your patience, and I appreicate your point, but...
They fold up into such nice neat little packages and fit into much faster haulers. I assume it was rigged otherwise you wouldn't have done it. But 28 jumps?1? Again I applaud your tenacity. Next time you need to move a Retriever that far I will buy you a new one, seriously. Don't do that to yourself again, please... |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:58:00 -
[419] - Quote
Frozen Chief wrote:Hi-sec should not be "safe space" obviously and I have no issue with large BC fleet being able to gank a freighter or a few destroyers able to gank a barge. However if we look at the numbers - both # of ganks over time and DPS of common ganking ships vs tank of commonly ganked ships - we can see there is some level of imbalance. You can effectively setup shop in any travel chokepoint, gank anything indy or freighter that comes by with your fleet and by the end of a couple hours come out with enough profits to cover your losses with profit gained.
A balanced approach would be having it so only ganking very high value targets can cover the total losses - ship losses, tags and time spent - thus forcing ganking squads to properly scout out their targets and weigh the risks appropriately.
There are some ways this can be accomplished but they've been covered in the countless other threads on this topic. Stronger freighter would be one way, thus taking more organization and ISK involved in each gank. Harsher sec status loss penalties, people with -10 still are ganking with no issue. Force them out of hi-sec at that point, thus forcing them to strategize which ships are actually worth going after.
Looking at barges anything that isn't a Procurer and Skiff is pretty much impossible to protect with a solo account. You can do all the scouting in the world, miss one ganker and by the time he's in your belt it's too late. I don't think we need anything crazy done here but the end result should be you need more thank one ship worth a measly 3 million ISK to gank any barge. I'd be fine with 2 ships even.
Back to what I was saying about the numbers, go on EVE-Kill and look at CONCORD Police Captain's kill history. People are clearly catching on to the fact that the ganking mechanics right now are a bit unbalanced.
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:09:00 -
[420] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: Tanks don't work. If you tanked your boats, instead of using 1 or two cats they'd use 3 or 4. If they needed 5 or 6 they'd use 5 or 6. Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps) and a Procurer costs around 25m tanked and fitted they'll still win.
This is why New Order exists. They're rich nullbears or carebears (likely miners :) hiding behind alts ganking people because they can and they find it fun and not in anyway risky. If you added risk they'd all vanish back to their mains never to be heard of again.
Yes, cuz any ganker's killboard is full of tanked procs and skiffs, specially the New Order's!
Oh wait, no it isn't... They're full of **** fit Rets and exhumers. Of course they gank a tanked proc/skiff every now and then for propaganda purposes but in general it's **** fit rets and exhumers and the odd idiot that thought it was a good idea to engage them in their non-combat mining ship cuz they went suspect.... |
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:53:00 -
[421] - Quote
And as a solo ganker, I can tell you that a near max dps cata (near perfect skills and implants) can't even gank a slightly tanked Mack in 0.5. It really needs to be fully yield fit or anti-tanked (cargo rigs/hold extenders) to be able to take a Mack out solo.
A Mack, the mining ship with the largest Ore hold and high yield and favourite AFK boat of the mining community can only be ganked by going BC or forming a fleet of at least 2 cata's unless you completely shite fit it. In 0.5, go 0.7 or above and you need 3-5 cata's (depending on skills, fittings and implants) to gank you unless you aren't completely idiot fitted.
And those numbers are only a tad bit lower for a Hulk, the yield champion (though not as AFK-able due to smaller ore hold). The only way to solo a hulk with a cata is when it's completely idiot fitted, any half arsed attempt on tanking it and you need at least 2 of them.
Have a flight of ECM drones out while your AFK and you can add +1 to the number of cata's needed...
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
977
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:54:00 -
[422] - Quote
Looks like CCP hosted a live event to do something about those idiots in high sec today. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
740
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:20:00 -
[423] - Quote
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Kaaii wrote:
I stopped reading here.
Ziona is known to contradict his/herself in his/her own forum threads just to make a point, badly. Except its not a contradiction. This character was not ganked. A zero skilled alt in a Velator was.
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Tanks don't work. If you tanked your boats, instead of using 1 or two cats they'd use 3 or 4. If they needed 5 or 6 they'd use 5 or 6. Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps) and a Procurer costs around 25m tanked and fitted they'll still win.
This is why New Order exists. They're rich nullbears or carebears (likely miners :) hiding behind alts ganking people because they can and they find it fun and not in anyway risky. If you added risk they'd all vanish back to their mains never to be heard of again.
Yes, cuz any ganker's killboard is full of tanked procs and skiffs, specially the New Order's! Oh wait, no it isn't... They're full of **** fit Rets and exhumers. Of course they gank a tanked proc/skiff every now and then for propaganda purposes but in general it's **** fit rets and exhumers and the odd idiot that thought it was a good idea to engage them in their non-combat mining ship cuz they went suspect.... WOW. I cry for all the money spent on education. What a waste.
If you had been able to comprehend the first sentence you would have seen that I said "IF". And "5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps). The number 1 in that sentence corresponds to ONE (CAT) while the number 5 corresponds to FIVE (CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT). Clearly the sentence "Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps)" refers to the cumalative of 5 (FIVE) (CINCO) (CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT) dps... Jesus H Obama.
I'm often embarrassed reading EvE forum posts, not for myself but for the people responding... Its like arguing with a bunch of Elmo's... |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:15:00 -
[424] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:And as a solo ganker, I can tell you that a near max dps cata (near perfect skills and implants) can't even gank a slightly tanked Mack in 0.5. It really needs to be fully yield fit or anti-tanked (cargo rigs/hold extenders) to be able to take a Mack out solo.
A Mack, the mining ship with the largest Ore hold and high yield and favourite AFK boat of the mining community can only be ganked by going BC or forming a fleet of at least 2 cata's unless you completely shite fit it. In 0.5, go 0.7 or above and you need 3-5 cata's (depending on skills, fittings and implants) to gank you unless you aren't completely idiot fitted.
And those numbers are only a tad bit lower for a Hulk, the yield champion (though not as AFK-able due to smaller ore hold). The only way to solo a hulk with a cata is when it's completely idiot fitted, any half arsed attempt on tanking it and you need at least 2 of them.
Have a flight of ECM drones out while your AFK and you can add +1 to the number of cata's needed...
0.7 system, fully-tanked mack with decent skills cannot be ganked by 5 cats. |
Tsufuri Ormand
NE Procurement
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:01:00 -
[425] - Quote
High-sec gankers are like somking addicts. They are mad because no everybody likes smoking. So they go into a no-smoking area and start smoking, hoping people will start to like it. No, they won't. What CCP is doing? They just send security: "- Sir, Im afarid you have to leave this room for 15 minuts. After that you can come back and smoke untill we're back" Suicide gankers aka smoking addicts should be punished for high-sec ganking (smoking in a no-smoking area) in such way they would start thinking is it really worth doing it.
In my eyes they are losers who cant get any kill on their kb in real pvp. Instead they just kill 0isk shuttles and pods to get their kb filled. After that they dare to wipe their mouth saying "h-sec should not be save oneone!! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:14:00 -
[426] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:If you had been able to comprehend the first sentence you would have seen that I said "IF". And "5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps). The number 1 in that sentence corresponds to ONE (CAT) while the number 5 corresponds to FIVE (CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT). Clearly the sentence "Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps)" refers to the cumalative of 5 (FIVE) (CINCO) (CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT) dps... Jesus H Obama. Not that it matters. 5 cats delivering 1000 DPS is still not enough to kill a Procurer. Now if they did do 1k DPS each, they'd stand a chance (the cut-off is ~700), but since that's not really possible nor what you're talking about, you're way off no matter how anyone chooses to read your claim.
Really, your sentence should read GÇ£since 5 T1 cats only do 1000+ dps, and a tanked Procurer survives 3 times that, the Procurer winsGÇ¥. Even if we mix in the irrelevant measure of cost, the Procurer wins: a 25M loss (minus insurance) against 30M (no insurance coverage) for the 15 catalysts. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
740
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:18:00 -
[427] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:And as a solo ganker, I can tell you that a near max dps cata (near perfect skills and implants) can't even gank a slightly tanked Mack in 0.5. It really needs to be fully yield fit or anti-tanked (cargo rigs/hold extenders) to be able to take a Mack out solo.
A Mack, the mining ship with the largest Ore hold and high yield and favourite AFK boat of the mining community can only be ganked by going BC or forming a fleet of at least 2 cata's unless you completely shite fit it. In 0.5, go 0.7 or above and you need 3-5 cata's (depending on skills, fittings and implants) to gank you unless you aren't completely idiot fitted.
And those numbers are only a tad bit lower for a Hulk, the yield champion (though not as AFK-able due to smaller ore hold). The only way to solo a hulk with a cata is when it's completely idiot fitted, any half arsed attempt on tanking it and you need at least 2 of them.
Have a flight of ECM drones out while your AFK and you can add +1 to the number of cata's needed...
0.7 system, fully-tanked mack with decent skills cannot be ganked by 5 cats. A fully tanked mac with all slots to tank gets around 40k ehp, 5 t2 cats do 30k ehp in 10 seconds. How many seconds do you have in a .7? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1392
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:19:00 -
[428] - Quote
Tsufuri Ormand wrote:High-sec gankers are like somking addicts. They are mad because no everybody likes smoking. So they go into a no-smoking area and start smoking, hoping people will start to like it. No, they won't. What CCP is doing? They just send security: "- Sir, Im afarid you have to leave this room for 15 minuts. After that you can come back and smoke untill we're back" Suicide gankers aka smoking addicts should be punished for high-sec ganking (smoking in a no-smoking area) in such way they would start thinking is it really worth doing it.
In my eyes they are losers who cant get any kill on their kb in real pvp. Instead they just kill 0isk shuttles and pods to get their kb filled. After that they dare to wipe their mouth saying "h-sec should not be save oneone!!
Here's this interesting phenomenon again...
"go do real pvp".
PvP is, by definition, "player vs player". Shooting a miner is therefore unconditionally pvp. I mean, unless you're outright admitting that miners are bots?
So, what's the difference? Why is "real pvp" considered shooting at, as best I can tell, people who aren't you? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:21:00 -
[429] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:A fully tanked mac with all slots to tank gets around 40k ehp, 5 t2 cats do 30k ehp in 10 seconds. How many seconds do you have in a .7? 10. |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:30:00 -
[430] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:And as a solo ganker, I can tell you that a near max dps cata (near perfect skills and implants) can't even gank a slightly tanked Mack in 0.5. It really needs to be fully yield fit or anti-tanked (cargo rigs/hold extenders) to be able to take a Mack out solo.
A Mack, the mining ship with the largest Ore hold and high yield and favourite AFK boat of the mining community can only be ganked by going BC or forming a fleet of at least 2 cata's unless you completely shite fit it. In 0.5, go 0.7 or above and you need 3-5 cata's (depending on skills, fittings and implants) to gank you unless you aren't completely idiot fitted.
And those numbers are only a tad bit lower for a Hulk, the yield champion (though not as AFK-able due to smaller ore hold). The only way to solo a hulk with a cata is when it's completely idiot fitted, any half arsed attempt on tanking it and you need at least 2 of them.
Have a flight of ECM drones out while your AFK and you can add +1 to the number of cata's needed...
0.7 system, fully-tanked mack with decent skills cannot be ganked by 5 cats. A fully tanked mac with all slots to tank gets around 40k ehp, 5 t2 cats do 30k ehp in 10 seconds. How many seconds do you have in a .7?
yeah, that would be 10. So you only get 30k of 40k. Mack lives. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1392
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:31:00 -
[431] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:A fully tanked mac with all slots to tank gets around 40k ehp, 5 t2 cats do 30k ehp in 10 seconds. How many seconds do you have in a .7? 10.
Confirmed. Both that you only get 10 seconds, and that IZ has no clue what he/she is talking about, per usual. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:38:00 -
[432] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:A fully tanked mac with all slots to tank gets around 40k ehp, 5 t2 cats do 30k ehp in 10 seconds. How many seconds do you have in a .7? 10. Confirmed. Both that you only get 10 seconds, and that IZ has no clue what he/she is talking about, per usual. I didn't want to mention it, but now that you didGǪ
GǪyeah, it looks like a Mac with all slots dedicated to tank gets around 54k EHP. This means 90 catalyst-seconds is required to take one down. So with a bit of luck it could actually survive that same group of five in 0.5. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
740
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:39:00 -
[433] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:And as a solo ganker, I can tell you that a near max dps cata (near perfect skills and implants) can't even gank a slightly tanked Mack in 0.5. It really needs to be fully yield fit or anti-tanked (cargo rigs/hold extenders) to be able to take a Mack out solo.
A Mack, the mining ship with the largest Ore hold and high yield and favourite AFK boat of the mining community can only be ganked by going BC or forming a fleet of at least 2 cata's unless you completely shite fit it. In 0.5, go 0.7 or above and you need 3-5 cata's (depending on skills, fittings and implants) to gank you unless you aren't completely idiot fitted.
And those numbers are only a tad bit lower for a Hulk, the yield champion (though not as AFK-able due to smaller ore hold). The only way to solo a hulk with a cata is when it's completely idiot fitted, any half arsed attempt on tanking it and you need at least 2 of them.
Have a flight of ECM drones out while your AFK and you can add +1 to the number of cata's needed...
0.7 system, fully-tanked mack with decent skills cannot be ganked by 5 cats. A fully tanked mac with all slots to tank gets around 40k ehp, 5 t2 cats do 30k ehp in 10 seconds. How many seconds do you have in a .7? yeah, that would be 10. So you only get 30k of 40k. Mack lives. No you bring 7 Mack dies. |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:40:00 -
[434] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:And as a solo ganker, I can tell you that a near max dps cata (near perfect skills and implants) can't even gank a slightly tanked Mack in 0.5. It really needs to be fully yield fit or anti-tanked (cargo rigs/hold extenders) to be able to take a Mack out solo.
A Mack, the mining ship with the largest Ore hold and high yield and favourite AFK boat of the mining community can only be ganked by going BC or forming a fleet of at least 2 cata's unless you completely shite fit it. In 0.5, go 0.7 or above and you need 3-5 cata's (depending on skills, fittings and implants) to gank you unless you aren't completely idiot fitted.
And those numbers are only a tad bit lower for a Hulk, the yield champion (though not as AFK-able due to smaller ore hold). The only way to solo a hulk with a cata is when it's completely idiot fitted, any half arsed attempt on tanking it and you need at least 2 of them.
Have a flight of ECM drones out while your AFK and you can add +1 to the number of cata's needed...
0.7 system, fully-tanked mack with decent skills cannot be ganked by 5 cats. A fully tanked mac with all slots to tank gets around 40k ehp, 5 t2 cats do 30k ehp in 10 seconds. How many seconds do you have in a .7? yeah, that would be 10. So you only get 30k of 40k. Mack lives. No you bring 7 Mack dies.
Last time I check, 7 is not 5. So when I say that 5 cats can't kill a fully-tanked mack in a 0.7, it is correct. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1392
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:43:00 -
[435] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:And as a solo ganker, I can tell you that a near max dps cata (near perfect skills and implants) can't even gank a slightly tanked Mack in 0.5. It really needs to be fully yield fit or anti-tanked (cargo rigs/hold extenders) to be able to take a Mack out solo.
A Mack, the mining ship with the largest Ore hold and high yield and favourite AFK boat of the mining community can only be ganked by going BC or forming a fleet of at least 2 cata's unless you completely shite fit it. In 0.5, go 0.7 or above and you need 3-5 cata's (depending on skills, fittings and implants) to gank you unless you aren't completely idiot fitted.
And those numbers are only a tad bit lower for a Hulk, the yield champion (though not as AFK-able due to smaller ore hold). The only way to solo a hulk with a cata is when it's completely idiot fitted, any half arsed attempt on tanking it and you need at least 2 of them.
Have a flight of ECM drones out while your AFK and you can add +1 to the number of cata's needed...
0.7 system, fully-tanked mack with decent skills cannot be ganked by 5 cats. A fully tanked mac with all slots to tank gets around 40k ehp, 5 t2 cats do 30k ehp in 10 seconds. How many seconds do you have in a .7? yeah, that would be 10. So you only get 30k of 40k. Mack lives. No you bring 7 Mack dies.
As it should be. No one deserves to survive against that many people who have him by the tail.
If 7 reds jump into system and you don't gtfo? Whatever happens, you deserved it.
But you didn't say 7, did you. You said 5. The first guy who was quoted actually said 3-5.
You haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about though, and are just spouting talking points. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:47:00 -
[436] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:No you bring 7 Mack dies. No, you bring a logi, ecm, shield-boosting command ship GÇö Mack wins.
Oh, and 7+ù600 DPS for 10s = 42k EHP, which is less than the Mack can tank anyway so the Mack doesn't die regardless. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1392
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:49:00 -
[437] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:No you bring 7 Mack dies. No, you bring a logi, ecm, shield-boosting command ship GÇö Mack wins. Oh, and 7+ù600 DPS for 10s = 42k EHP, which is less than the Mack can tank anyway so the Mack doesn't die regardless.
Hey, I just thought of a new business...
Selling shield command boosts in ganker areas. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:56:00 -
[438] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hey, I just thought of a new business...
Selling shield command boosts in ganker areas. It's not exactly new GÇö I've seen plenty of offers of that kind in local. Or, wellGǪ they were offers for Orca boosts, but the idea is much the same and just requires a different (or another) ship.
Also, I don't know if enough people are at their keyboards to notice the offer, but other than that, it's a great idea. |
Tsufuri Ormand
NE Procurement
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:57:00 -
[439] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tsufuri Ormand wrote:High-sec gankers are like somking addicts. They are mad because no everybody likes smoking. So they go into a no-smoking area and start smoking, hoping people will start to like it. No, they won't. What CCP is doing? They just send security: "- Sir, Im afarid you have to leave this room for 15 minuts. After that you can come back and smoke untill we're back" Suicide gankers aka smoking addicts should be punished for high-sec ganking (smoking in a no-smoking area) in such way they would start thinking is it really worth doing it.
In my eyes they are losers who cant get any kill on their kb in real pvp. Instead they just kill 0isk shuttles and pods to get their kb filled. After that they dare to wipe their mouth saying "h-sec should not be save oneone!! Here's this interesting phenomenon again... "go do real pvp". PvP is, by definition, "player vs player". Shooting a miner is therefore unconditionally pvp. I mean, unless you're outright admitting that miners are bots? So, what's the difference? Why is "real pvp" considered shooting at, as best I can tell, people who aren't you?
Real pvp involves a risk, even a little. Suicide ganking cant be called "any fancy name" or real pvp. Suicide gankers killing shuttles and pods are special kind of loosers tho. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1393
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:58:00 -
[440] - Quote
Tsufuri Ormand wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tsufuri Ormand wrote:High-sec gankers are like somking addicts. They are mad because no everybody likes smoking. So they go into a no-smoking area and start smoking, hoping people will start to like it. No, they won't. What CCP is doing? They just send security: "- Sir, Im afarid you have to leave this room for 15 minuts. After that you can come back and smoke untill we're back" Suicide gankers aka smoking addicts should be punished for high-sec ganking (smoking in a no-smoking area) in such way they would start thinking is it really worth doing it.
In my eyes they are losers who cant get any kill on their kb in real pvp. Instead they just kill 0isk shuttles and pods to get their kb filled. After that they dare to wipe their mouth saying "h-sec should not be save oneone!! Here's this interesting phenomenon again... "go do real pvp". PvP is, by definition, "player vs player". Shooting a miner is therefore unconditionally pvp. I mean, unless you're outright admitting that miners are bots? So, what's the difference? Why is "real pvp" considered shooting at, as best I can tell, people who aren't you? Real pvp involves a risk, even a little. Suicide ganking cant be called "any fancy name" or real pvp. Suicide gankers killing shuttles and pods are special kind of loosers tho.
So, you attempt to redefine an industry term to discredit an activity you personally do not approve of? Is that about the gist of it? |
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:26:00 -
[441] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: WOW. I cry for all the money spent on education. What a waste.
If you had been able to comprehend the first sentence you would have seen that I said "IF". And "5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps). The number 1 in that sentence corresponds to ONE (CAT) while the number 5 corresponds to FIVE (CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT). Clearly the sentence "Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps)" refers to the cumalative of 5 (FIVE) (CINCO) (CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT) dps... Jesus H Obama.
I'm often embarrassed reading EvE forum posts, not for myself but for the people responding... Its like arguing with a bunch of Elmo's...
Let me tell you a little secret: many miners DO tank their boats to at least some extent and they DO work. Which is why the vast majority of ganked miner boats are shite/yield/idiot fitted...
Your claim that 'they' would simply use more cata's. I doubt it, you don't 'just bring more cata's'. That requires more buddies/accounts/trained alts and more coordination and is more time consuming. The result of all that would be that there would be less ganks, which translates to a (much) lower risk of getting ganked.
So unless you are able to create buddies/accounts/trained alts out of thin air tanks DO work.
Again, I'm a solo ganker. If everyone would max tank their barge/exhumer I'd be pretty much done, the only gankable target for a near max DPS catalyst would be Covetors in 0.5, barely. Which would mean I'd have but a few kills on my killboard instead of dozens.
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Anomaly One
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:30:00 -
[442] - Quote
edit: this post is just about the miner gank not targetted at general ganking(s).
You don't need a tank to escape a miner gank, just watch local, add the baddies on watchlist and d-scan, you can fit ZERO tank if you're not AFK.
This comes from an experienced low sec ninja miner and high sec 24/7 mining. (this means a lot LOL jk) Why just last week I got 10 destroyers (in a weeks time) warping in and even though I could warp out before they arrived on grid I was pre aligned as usual and waited till the last second to **** them off xD so much fun!
Trust me if you're annoyed at being ganked as a miner your neighborhood gankers will be 10x more pissed if every belt they warped to had a miner flee before they got there.
Yes I am of the few that enjoy mining. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
273
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 12:34:00 -
[443] - Quote
oh i've been ganked by gangs of three. it's trivial to set up and the costs are low. if the costs get high then player organisations will fund it. whatever keeps the lolwagon a rollin' really.
so i made one last attempt at AFK mining, with my FU skiff fit and orca.
I lasted a night. if i can't AFK and yield ***** then there's nuthin' in it for me. it's just dull, dull dull. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
740
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 12:45:00 -
[444] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: WOW. I cry for all the money spent on education. What a waste.
If you had been able to comprehend the first sentence you would have seen that I said "IF". And "5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps). The number 1 in that sentence corresponds to ONE (CAT) while the number 5 corresponds to FIVE (CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT). Clearly the sentence "Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps)" refers to the cumalative of 5 (FIVE) (CINCO) (CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT, CAT) dps... Jesus H Obama.
I'm often embarrassed reading EvE forum posts, not for myself but for the people responding... Its like arguing with a bunch of Elmo's...
Let me tell you a little secret: many miners DO tank their boats to at least some extent and they DO work. Which is why the vast majority of ganked miner boats are shite/yield/idiot fitted... Your claim that 'they' would simply use more cata's. I doubt it, you don't 'just bring more cata's'. That requires more buddies/accounts/trained alts and more coordination and is more time consuming. The result of all that would be that there would be less ganks, which translates to a (much) lower risk of getting ganked. So unless you are able to create buddies/accounts/trained alts out of thin air tanks DO work. Again, I'm a solo ganker. If everyone would max tank their barge/exhumer I'd be pretty much done, the only gankable target for a near max DPS catalyst would be Covetors in 0.5, barely. Which would mean I'd have but a few kills on my killboard instead of dozens. My point was that people don't tank their barges because its relatively pointless. If they all tanked them they'd still get ganked. Its cheap and easy to do. Now a solo miner ganker like you might be out of business but the New Orders and Bat Country corps don't do it for the isk, they do it for the notoriety and kill mails. They're funded quite well so the isk is no issue. Bat Country has kills on empty freighters....
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Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
452
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:45:00 -
[445] - Quote
Tsufuri Ormand wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tsufuri Ormand wrote:High-sec gankers are like somking addicts. They are mad because no everybody likes smoking. So they go into a no-smoking area and start smoking, hoping people will start to like it. No, they won't. What CCP is doing? They just send security: "- Sir, Im afarid you have to leave this room for 15 minuts. After that you can come back and smoke untill we're back" Suicide gankers aka smoking addicts should be punished for high-sec ganking (smoking in a no-smoking area) in such way they would start thinking is it really worth doing it.
In my eyes they are losers who cant get any kill on their kb in real pvp. Instead they just kill 0isk shuttles and pods to get their kb filled. After that they dare to wipe their mouth saying "h-sec should not be save oneone!! Here's this interesting phenomenon again... "go do real pvp". PvP is, by definition, "player vs player". Shooting a miner is therefore unconditionally pvp. I mean, unless you're outright admitting that miners are bots? So, what's the difference? Why is "real pvp" considered shooting at, as best I can tell, people who aren't you? Real pvp involves a risk, even a little. Suicide ganking cant be called "any fancy name" or real pvp. Suicide gankers killing shuttles and pods are special kind of loosers tho.
Ganking is a cost not a risk, and a cost/benefit calculation is just as valid as a risk/reward calculation in an economic simulator like Eve. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
27
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:58:00 -
[446] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
Ten years and you still don't know how to play this game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17306
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:59:00 -
[447] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: My point was that people don't tank their barges because its relatively pointless. If they all tanked them they'd still get ganked. Its cheap and easy to do. Now a solo miner ganker like you might be out of business but the New Orders and Bat Country corps don't do it for the isk, they do it for the notoriety and kill mails. They're funded quite well so the isk is no issue. Bat Country has kills on empty freighters....
Bat Country are most certainly in it for the ISK. Just because they have been gambled on courier wraps and lost or had a bad scouting call doesn't mean that profit isn't what drives the target selection. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:36:00 -
[448] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: My point was that people don't tank their barges because its relatively pointless. If they all tanked them they'd still get ganked. Its cheap and easy to do. Now a solo miner ganker like you might be out of business but the New Orders and Bat Country corps don't do it for the isk, they do it for the notoriety and kill mails. They're funded quite well so the isk is no issue. Bat Country has kills on empty freighters....
The NO also can't create accounts,members,trained alts, fitted ships, sec status or time to spend out of thin air, they aren't God even if James is more or less role playing he is (which is hilarious btw and I applaud him for doing it). The heavier you tank, the more you'll need of all those resources to gank. Simple logic dictates you cannot gank more than what your resources allow for. More tank (and ecm)=higher resource costs=less total ganks=lower risk of getting ganked=TANK WORKS.
As for isk: done well (being able to scoop up your destroyers remains and stealing the miner's loot drop) the cost of ganking is break even-ish. That offcourse changes when you have to throw multiple 10 million cata's at a single target. Yes, a t2 cata costs 10 million.
As for the NO's resources: http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/01/advanced-skill-training-terror-weapons.html Apparently those do matter... |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
128
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:06:00 -
[449] - Quote
"Been here since 2003" is meaningless...
Things change, that's life... |
Tsufuri Ormand
NE Procurement
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:30:00 -
[450] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tsufuri Ormand wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tsufuri Ormand wrote:High-sec gankers are like somking addicts. They are mad because no everybody likes smoking. So they go into a no-smoking area and start smoking, hoping people will start to like it. No, they won't. What CCP is doing? They just send security: "- Sir, Im afarid you have to leave this room for 15 minuts. After that you can come back and smoke untill we're back" Suicide gankers aka smoking addicts should be punished for high-sec ganking (smoking in a no-smoking area) in such way they would start thinking is it really worth doing it.
In my eyes they are losers who cant get any kill on their kb in real pvp. Instead they just kill 0isk shuttles and pods to get their kb filled. After that they dare to wipe their mouth saying "h-sec should not be save oneone!! Here's this interesting phenomenon again... "go do real pvp". PvP is, by definition, "player vs player". Shooting a miner is therefore unconditionally pvp. I mean, unless you're outright admitting that miners are bots? So, what's the difference? Why is "real pvp" considered shooting at, as best I can tell, people who aren't you? Real pvp involves a risk, even a little. Suicide ganking cant be called "any fancy name" or real pvp. Suicide gankers killing shuttles and pods are special kind of loosers tho. So, you attempt to redefine an industry term to discredit an activity you personally do not approve of? Is that about the gist of it?
I think that calling suicide gankers smoke addicts of eve is an objective statement. It has nothing to do with me approving or not. Make punishment for high-sec ganking more severe, so that gankers actually lose something and I will give suicide ganking my seal of approval. |
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:34:00 -
[451] - Quote
Tsufuri Ormand wrote:
I think that calling suicide gankers smoke addicts of eve is an objective statement. It has nothing to do with me approving or not. Make punishment for high-sec ganking more severe, so that gankers actually lose something and I will give suicide ganking my seal of approval.
It's already pretty severe. If it wasn't severe ppl would not make alts and spend training time on them but they'd just do it with their mains. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:52:00 -
[452] - Quote
Killboard of the New Order alliance: https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99002775/
Just looked at the first 10 barge and first 10 exhumer ganks. I'd suggest anyone who is on the anti-ganker side to do the same and tell me what you think about those victim's fittings and the security status of the system they were mining in.
Really, go do it and give your honest opinion. I'm especially curious how you guys think about ppl who leave mid slots open btw.
Also, there is not a single Skiff or Procurer on the first page of their killboard, why is that I wonder? Could it be cuz they are harder to kill? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8482
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:55:00 -
[453] - Quote
Tsufuri Ormand wrote:
I think that calling suicide gankers smoke addicts of eve is an objective statement. It has nothing to do with me approving or not. Make punishment for high-sec ganking more severe, so that gankers actually lose something and I will give suicide ganking my seal of approval.
Every time you attempt a suicide gank:
Ganker is open to attack from everyone Ganker can fail to kill the target Ganker faces a 50% chance of loot not dropping at all Ganker will be hit with a sec status loss resulting in being open to attack from everyone Ganker will be locked out of a ship for 15 min Ganker will have a killright against them that is sellable and can be activated at any time Gankers loot ship may be attacked Gankers loot may be stolen by someone else Gankers fly ships that are ironically profitable to gank Gankers void their ship insurance
Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in this game. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17309
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:58:00 -
[454] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Gankers fly ships that are ironically profitable to gank Now that you mention itGǪ
GǪhow much does it cost to gank a one of those 10M T2-gank destroyers? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8486
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:07:00 -
[455] - Quote
Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Gankers fly ships that are ironically profitable to gank Now that you mention itGǪ GǪhow much does it cost to gank a one of those 10M T2-gank destroyers?
We here at Bat Country have a t1 frigate for such a thing. So long as we salvage the victim and scoop at least 3 t2 things then we are in profit. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17309
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:13:00 -
[456] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:We here at Bat Country have a t1 frigate for such a thing. So long as we salvage the victim and scoop at least 3 t2 things then we are in profit. Why am I not surprised.
GǪand with high-dps destroyers sporting 8 T2 guns just for starters, the odds of getting 3+ seem pretty good. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
273
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:17:00 -
[457] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Gankers fly ships that are ironically profitable to gank Now that you mention itGǪ GǪhow much does it cost to gank a one of those 10M T2-gank destroyers? We here at Bat Country have a t1 frigate for such a thing. So long as we salvage the victim and scoop at least 3 t2 things then we are in profit.
interested. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:18:00 -
[458] - Quote
Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Gankers fly ships that are ironically profitable to gank Now that you mention itGǪ GǪhow much does it cost to gank a one of those 10M T2-gank destroyers? Without having exact numbers, you can gank a 10M T2 cata with a not even 3M t1 cata no problems. You'll even have time to pod (provided the ganker is AFK).
I encourage you to do this, seriously! Go find some New order agents (look them up at minerbumping.com) and go gank them!
Contrary to popular belief it does however require some skill and effort to gank so don't be surprised if you fail a few times. I fumbled my few first ganks due to silly mistakes as loading the wrong ammo, not overheating or not properly figuring out how much EHP the target had. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:19:00 -
[459] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Gankers fly ships that are ironically profitable to gank Now that you mention itGǪ GǪhow much does it cost to gank a one of those 10M T2-gank destroyers? We here at Bat Country have a t1 frigate for such a thing. So long as we salvage the victim and scoop at least 3 t2 things then we are in profit. Mind EVE mailing me the fit? I'd figure it out myself but I have no skills I'm told :( |
Tsufuri Ormand
NE Procurement
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:21:00 -
[460] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tsufuri Ormand wrote:
I think that calling suicide gankers smoke addicts of eve is an objective statement. It has nothing to do with me approving or not. Make punishment for high-sec ganking more severe, so that gankers actually lose something and I will give suicide ganking my seal of approval.
Every time you attempt a suicide gank: Ganker is open to attack from everyone Ganker can fail to kill the target Ganker faces a 50% chance of loot not dropping at all Ganker will be hit with a sec status loss resulting in being open to attack from everyone Ganker will be locked out of a ship for 15 min Ganker will have a killright against them that is sellable and can be activated at any time Gankers loot ship may be attacked Gankers loot may be stolen by someone else Gankers fly ships that are ironically profitable to gank Gankers void their ship insurance Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in this game.
baltec1 wrote:Tsufuri Ormand wrote:
I think that calling suicide gankers smoke addicts of eve is an objective statement. It has nothing to do with me approving or not. Make punishment for high-sec ganking more severe, so that gankers actually lose something and I will give suicide ganking my seal of approval.
Every time you attempt a suicide gank: Ganker is open to attack from everyone Ganker can fail to kill the target Ganker faces a 50% chance of loot not dropping at all Ganker will be hit with a sec status loss resulting in being open to attack from everyone Ganker will be locked out of a ship for 15 min Ganker will have a killright against them that is sellable and can be activated at any time Gankers loot ship may be attacked Gankers loot may be stolen by someone else Gankers fly ships that are ironically profitable to gank Gankers void their ship insurance Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in this game.
Here you go. Ganker killing autopilot shuttles with 0 isk cargo and pods:
Ganker is open to attack from everyone: Shuttle pilot wont shoot you. What are the chances that somebody will appear and shoot you in the timeframe between you shooting at target and concord blowing you up? Taking into account #2 you dont care if you get blown up by concord or other player.
Ganker can fail to kill the target: How can you fail to kill afk shuttle or pod?
Ganker faces a 50% chance of loot not dropping at all: 50% of 0 isk is 0 isk. No gambling involved at all
Ganker will be hit with a sec status loss resulting in being open to attack from everyone: Again, what are the chances of that. When you check suicide gankers kb how often do you see loses? This means that they do not get attacked often. I'd say they are not attacked at all (almost)
Ganker will be locked out of a ship for 15 min: Seriously? This is a punishment? Make this, you go gcc and cant dock, then it will be fine.
Ganker will have a killright against them that is sellable and can be activated at any time: Like -10 players care for killrights.
Gankers loot ship may be attacked: What do you want to loot from empty shuttles.
Gankers loot may be stolen by someone else: What loot?
Gankers fly ships that are ironically profitable to gank: Stupid t1 fit catas or thrashers?
Gankers void their ship insurance Destroyers are so cheap I wouldnt care.
Just to make it clear. Go gank frieghters or barges. Its perfectly fine with me. Killing shuttles and pods is a big nono for me due to 'look above'. Make changes to the game so that punishment is severe enough to repel gankers from empty shuttles and pods (aka nonprofit targets), but keep it low enough so they can gank friegthers etc with profit. |
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1530
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:28:00 -
[461] - Quote
Bad troll is bad. Even for a forum mouth-breather like Infinity. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
104
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:33:00 -
[462] - Quote
Hm. Tempting to start a business guarding miners in ECM frigs/cruiser. Even more tempting to do so for CODE compliant miners at a discount. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1530
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:36:00 -
[463] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tsufuri Ormand wrote:
I think that calling suicide gankers smoke addicts of eve is an objective statement. It has nothing to do with me approving or not. Make punishment for high-sec ganking more severe, so that gankers actually lose something and I will give suicide ganking my seal of approval.
Every time you attempt a suicide gank: Ganker is open to attack from everyone Ganker can fail to kill the target Ganker faces a 50% chance of loot not dropping at all Ganker will be hit with a sec status loss resulting in being open to attack from everyone Ganker will be locked out of a ship for 15 min Ganker will have a killright against them that is sellable and can be activated at any time Gankers loot ship may be attacked Gankers loot may be stolen by someone else Gankers fly ships that are ironically profitable to gank Gankers void their ship insurance Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in this game.
There is always going to be people who like knocking down old ladies in the street and stealing their pension check irrespective of the consequences. No difference here with gankers. :) |
Tsufuri Ormand
NE Procurement
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:44:00 -
[464] - Quote
Ginger Barbarella wrote: There is always going to be people who like knocking down old ladies in the street and stealing their pension check irrespective of the consequences. No difference here with gankers. :)
Of course there will be. People like that will still be doing this. But other gankers would choose other targets. And dont tell me all suicide gankers are psychos.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8486
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:46:00 -
[465] - Quote
Tsufuri Ormand wrote:
Just to make it clear. Go gank frieghters or barges. Its perfectly fine with me. Killing shuttles and pods is a big nono for me due to 'look above'. Make changes to the game so that punishment is severe enough to repel gankers from empty shuttles and pods (aka nonprofit targets), but keep it low enough so they can gank friegthers etc with profit.
Or you can just kill that handful of people as they are -10 anyway. Or gank them in turn and make a profit.
We have plenty of ways for dealing with gankers and there are already more than enough drawbacks to this activity. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
743
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:05:00 -
[466] - Quote
I see the regular trolls have gone into fantasy land mode :)
Unfortunately we play the game in realistic land. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17311
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:10:00 -
[467] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:I see the regular trolls have gone into fantasy land mode You're describing the OP, presumably?
Quote:Unfortunately we play the game in realistic land. Indeed we do, which is why we keep offering realistic numbers, tactics, and assumptions to counter your fantasies.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
743
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:14:00 -
[468] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I see the regular trolls have gone into fantasy land mode You're describing the OP, presumably? Quote:Unfortunately we play the game in realistic land. Indeed we do, which is why we keep offering realistic numbers, tactics, and assumptions to counter your fantasies. Case in point ^^ |
Tydeth Gilitae
Magewright Artificers
34
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:18:00 -
[469] - Quote
Profit isn't always measured in material gain for the agressor. Killing a pod that turns out to have had 1b+ in implants means a 1b profit for the killer regardless of the fact that they got no implant ever. This is because they deprived the target of the benefits of those implants for the cost of being deprived their ship by CONCORD. The victim lost far more than the ganker. In some cases, the victim would then give the ganker entertainment via sending him/her an angry EVEMail, thus bestowing profit in "tears." Since EVE is a game, and is therefore intended to be played for entertainment, these types of reactions are worth the ship loss to the players who participate in these activities. Those with blogs, like the New Order, may also share the "tears" they got, thus increasing the entertainment value and expanding the "profit."
As for shuttles, some people afk haul PLEX in those things, for whatever reason. If I was a ganker, I'd totally go for shuttles on the off chance they have PLEX and it drops. If even 1 drops, the Ganker just made a profit in real money, via gametime. The minerbumping blog has a "Kills of the Week Superpost" that features, as a save-the-best-for-last, a shuttle gank that netted the ganker the ability to play for 10 more months for free. Shuttles that are empty may tend to contain the pods in the above paragraph, which are a prime target for incurring loss on the ganked.
In short, gankers attack pods and shuttles for tears and high-isk-value killmails. If the shuttle wasn't empty, then the gank was also for the loot. |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
854
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:21:00 -
[470] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
You are playing the wrong game, in eve it require skill and brains not to be killed by other people, and the rule applies everywhere and all the time.
It does have consequence, if you actively gank people in high sec, the amount of kill rights other players have on you prevent you from pretty much doing anything other then gank in high-sec.
The only problem with hi-sec is that you can dodge security status penalties, kill rights and bounties by using alts. |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
743
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:32:00 -
[471] - Quote
dexington wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec. You are playing the wrong game, in eve it require skill and brains not to be killed by other people, and the rule applies everywhere and all the time. It does have consequence, if you actively gank people in high sec, the amount of kill rights other players have on you prevent you from pretty much doing anything other then gank in high-sec. The only problem with hi-sec is that you can dodge security status penalties, kill rights and bounties by using alts. A lot of the gankers are -10 so kill rights mean nothing. Neither does getting podded since it's a quicker way back to station than self destructing or warping. Neither does losing a T1 fitted or even a T2 fitted cat.
I'm playing the right game, when I started there were consequences, very bad ones, the game has been modified and expansion creep has gotten us to the point that EvE should not be at - No consequence killing. EvE needs to be harsh the way it was intended imo. |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
854
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:38:00 -
[472] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:dexington wrote:The only problem with hi-sec is that you can dodge security status penalties, kill rights and bounties by using alts. A lot of the gankers are -10 so kill rights mean nothing. Neither does getting podded since it's a quicker way back to station than self destructing or warping. Neither does losing a T1 fitted or even a T2 fitted cat.
Most people going -10 and staying in hi-sec are people using alts. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD
115
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:43:00 -
[473] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:dexington wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec. You are playing the wrong game, in eve it require skill and brains not to be killed by other people, and the rule applies everywhere and all the time. It does have consequence, if you actively gank people in high sec, the amount of kill rights other players have on you prevent you from pretty much doing anything other then gank in high-sec. The only problem with hi-sec is that you can dodge security status penalties, kill rights and bounties by using alts. A lot of the gankers are -10 so kill rights mean nothing. Neither does getting podded since it's a quicker way back to station than self destructing or warping. Neither does losing a T1 fitted or even a T2 fitted cat. I'm playing the right game, when I started there were consequences, very bad ones, the game has been modified and expansion creep has gotten us to the point that EvE should not be at - No consequence killing. EvE needs to be harsh the way it was intended imo.
Because being able to tank concord and smartbomb the Jita IV-IV undock was too much of a consequence right? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17311
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:45:00 -
[474] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:I'm playing the right game, when I started there were consequences, very bad ones GǪand those consequences are still around today. What has changed over time is people's willingness to let the gankers get off scot-free.
Quote:the game has been modified and expansion creep has gotten us to the point that EvE should not be at - No consequence killing. EvE needs to be harsh the way it was intended imo. So you're arguing for the reinstatement of insurance even when CONCORD gets involved; increased CONCORD spawn times (if not the outright removal of death-ray-style CONCORD); reduced sec status penalties for unlawful attacks; reverting to personal killrights; rolling back the HP buffs that barges and industrials have receivedGǪ you know, the changes that have made EVE a far less harsh place than it used to be?
When I was new, ganks were common-place. Now they're not. So while you're right that the game has become less harsh, the reason for this is pretty much the exact opposite of what you're claiming: killing people has been saddled with far too many consequences for it to happen with any real frequency. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:05:00 -
[475] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: A lot of the gankers are -10 so kill rights mean nothing. Neither does getting podded since it's a quicker way back to station than self destructing or warping. Neither does losing a T1 fitted or even a T2 fitted cat.
Mine isn't -10 and I have no intention of letting it become -10 atm because of the draw backs of being -10. So I put in time and effort to keep it above -2.0. I have started a third account for training a second ganker that will be purely for ganking and will indeed go -10 very fast when training is completed. That costs me a PLEX a month though, just to have a second ganker. Seems like pretty harsh consequences.
But back to my non -10 ganker. Plenty of ppl have kill rights on it. Not a single one has tried using it against me though. Even when I'm in their home system running lvl 4's for sec stat with it. They have the instruments to punish me but they refuse to even look at me funny when I undock right under their noses.
About getting podded: to fly a full t2 near max DPS cata you need implants to fit it and implants to push the DPS. Dunno the exact number my pod costs but it's at least 50m, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose it at one point. ofcourse you can go empty but that means significantly less dps per catalyst.
And well, since losing 10m cata's doesn't matter, I'm sure that losing a barge or two doesn't matter either, since your average retriever is only worth 2-3 of those....
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1831
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:19:00 -
[476] - Quote
Omar Alharazaad wrote:Hm. Tempting to start a business guarding miners in ECM frigs/cruiser. Even more tempting to do so for CODE compliant miners at a discount.
just don't forget to report the noncompliant ones to the NODD (hell act as the warp-in lolollolol) |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1530
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:47:00 -
[477] - Quote
Tsufuri Ormand wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote: There is always going to be people who like knocking down old ladies in the street and stealing their pension check irrespective of the consequences. No difference here with gankers. :)
Of course there will be. People like that will still be doing this. But other gankers would choose other targets. And dont tell me all suicide gankers are psychos.
Psychos? Of course not: I doubt ANY of them are psychos. Jerks (to put it mildly) sure, but not psychos. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1530
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:48:00 -
[478] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:I see the regular trolls have gone into fantasy land mode :)
Unfortunately we play the game in realistic land.
A "realistic" land of pixels and fantasy role-playing?? Uh, yeah... thanks for confirming the troll status of your post(s). |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1530
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:50:00 -
[479] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I'm playing the right game, when I started there were consequences, very bad ones GǪand those consequences are still around today. What has changed over time is people's willingness to let the gankers get off scot-free.
Eventually adults learn to just ignore screaming, nagging kids. The kiddies eventually get bored or tired of their activity and go eat some dirt somewhere outside. |
Anomaly One
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:56:00 -
[480] - Quote
think of eve as in real life, any idiot can mug you/harm you, but it takes effort to stop him/notice him beforehand always come prepared (nvm this is bad)... in eve you get a second chance, it's a cat and mouse game specifically tom and jerry :p they bring one thing you bring another they escalate, you escalate etc. the ones who's a step ahead of the other wins.
foreseen is forearmed! |
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Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
25
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:20:00 -
[481] - Quote
I've been reading the last five pages of this thread, my head is swimming, I'm not sure what to say...
For one, laziness is the common denominator. I don't really think a ganker, or two are going to stop and blast a tanked Procurer. There are so many other idiots out there you can work much less harder to pop. Frankly, if someone took the time to hunt me down with six or seven Catas, I would be flattered. If you want to sneak up on me with a cloaky ship and point me long enough for the catas to show up and get me, again, I would be flattered for the effort. Nine times out of ten, you aren't going to get the shot though. It is SO easy to get away if you just pay attention. I, and others, have beaten this point to death I think.
So, having beaten the sensible point to death...
I don't think anyone should tank their Procurers. I think mining in a Proc is a bad idea. I like the prices low and easily replacable. The fact that Procs are SO cheap is a testament to people's greed and laziness. So go fly AFK in your Covetors and Retrievers. You don't need any tank. Watch some TV, let out the dog. You don't need to align or pay attention. I mean us paranoid people are freaks, right? Have fun, this is EVE; nothing to worry about. I want you to be out there. I want people to buy my new line of fitted ganking Catalysts. Hell, I might even set up a buy three, get one free program. Please, by all means, continue doing what you are doing. Cry to CCP to save you. I thank you now for padding my wallet and increasing my chances of survival.
Third...
I think miners should organize miner ganks. Especially when some multiboxing, non-aligned, afk turd decides to rip off the four other hard working miners who actually pay attention. This is a joke though, because paying attention while mining is not hard work. Staying away from gankers is not hard work. (beats horse furiously). But still, even if some think miners are the lowest of the low, we have standards. Anyone who vilolates miner standards should, but the logic of some, be considered the lowest scum in the galaxy. Such scum needs to be addressed... |
Trillian Stargazer
Origin. Black Legion.
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:33:00 -
[482] - Quote
It seems CCP is trying to help you out with the live event that took place. |
Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
26
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:13:00 -
[483] - Quote
Trillian Stargazer wrote:It seems CCP is trying to help you out with the live event that took place.
Link? |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
33
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:07:00 -
[484] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:And as a solo ganker, I can tell you that a near max dps cata (near perfect skills and implants) can't even gank a slightly tanked Mack in 0.5. It really needs to be fully yield fit or anti-tanked (cargo rigs/hold extenders) to be able to take a Mack out solo.
A Mack, the mining ship with the largest Ore hold and high yield and favourite AFK boat of the mining community can only be ganked by going BC or forming a fleet of at least 2 cata's unless you completely shite fit it. In 0.5, go 0.7 or above and you need 3-5 cata's (depending on skills, fittings and implants) to gank you unless you aren't completely idiot fitted.
And those numbers are only a tad bit lower for a Hulk, the yield champion (though not as AFK-able due to smaller ore hold). The only way to solo a hulk with a cata is when it's completely idiot fitted, any half arsed attempt on tanking it and you need at least 2 of them.
Have a flight of ECM drones out while your AFK and you can add +1 to the number of cata's needed...
0.7 system, fully-tanked mack with decent skills cannot be ganked by 5 cats. A fully tanked mac with all slots to tank gets around 40k ehp, 5 t2 cats do 30k ehp in 10 seconds. How many seconds do you have in a .7? yeah, that would be 10. So you only get 30k of 40k. Mack lives. No you bring 7 Mack dies.
So how many destroyers do you think it should take to kill a civilian mining vessel? It's already ridiculous that a mining barge can have more EHP than a BC. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.09 14:59:00 -
[485] - Quote
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
So how many destroyers do you think it should take to kill a civilian mining vessel? It's already ridiculous that a mining barge can have more EHP than a BC.
I don't think that is ridiculous as long as it reflects on yield/ore hold.
Btw, I read something about CCP reps hinting on more future changes on the mackinaw. In it's current form they think it's too powerful on several fronts at the same time.
What could that mean? Well, since it was meant as the 'large ore hold afk-able boat' iirc I don't think they'll be changing the ore hold. Lowering naked EHP, don't think they'll do that cuz of bear whining. So that leaves yield. How would that be best achieved? reducing calibration, CPU or powergrid or removing a low slot?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1412
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:50:00 -
[486] - Quote
Actually, Meilandra, they are on record as saying that the barge EHP buffs went too far, and they need to be downscaled by a fair margin.
They're all going to be taking a hit, not just the Mack.
And thank goodness for that. It's about time that it be not impossible to die if you are awake. |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
74
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:00:00 -
[487] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Actually, Meilandra, they are on record as saying that the barge EHP buffs went too far, and they need to be downscaled by a fair margin.
They're all going to be taking a hit, not just the Mack.
And thank goodness for that. It's about time that it be not impossible to die if you are awake.
If a barge gets away from you, you suck so hard at ganking. No matter the state of the pilot.
I swear gankers are even lazier than miners.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1412
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:08:00 -
[488] - Quote
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Actually, Meilandra, they are on record as saying that the barge EHP buffs went too far, and they need to be downscaled by a fair margin.
They're all going to be taking a hit, not just the Mack.
And thank goodness for that. It's about time that it be not impossible to die if you are awake. If a barge gets away from you, you suck so hard at ganking. No matter the state of the pilot. I swear gankers are even lazier than miners.
No, if a barge gets away from me, it's because he saw the reds pop up in local, and was actually at his keyboard to warp away.
Anyone who is actually playing can basically never die. It's not like we can hotdrop miners, if they see us in local, they have (time in seconds = catalyst time to warp) to be in warp to a station themselves. And that's plenty of time. |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
75
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:18:00 -
[489] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
No, if a barge gets away from me, it's because he saw the reds pop up in local, and was actually at his keyboard to warp away.
Anyone who is actually playing can basically never die. It's not like we can hotdrop miners, if they see us in local, they have (time in seconds = catalyst time to warp) to be in warp to a station themselves. And that's plenty of time.
So either dont be red, or pay someone who isn't to tackle.
Cloaking IV and frig V are pretty short trains, in a system with crowded local your target may never realize the correlation.
Bonus points for bookmarking with a covops, and then having that "neutral" guy leave local.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
299
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:28:00 -
[490] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:... Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec. ...
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
This is from the first post, written 5 weeks after the OP smartbombed Jita in a Rokh fitted only with bombs, nothing else, no tank or rigs or anything just a bs hull with bombs in the top slots. Idiots in highsec you say? Killed a rifter and a pod.
The game is fine OP, you are crap. That's an accurate evaluation given the circumstances, don't even bother crying personal attack.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1412
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:38:00 -
[491] - Quote
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
No, if a barge gets away from me, it's because he saw the reds pop up in local, and was actually at his keyboard to warp away.
Anyone who is actually playing can basically never die. It's not like we can hotdrop miners, if they see us in local, they have (time in seconds = catalyst time to warp) to be in warp to a station themselves. And that's plenty of time.
So either dont be red, or pay someone who isn't to tackle. Cloaking IV and frig V are pretty short trains, in a system with crowded local your target may never realize the correlation. Bonus points for bookmarking with a covops, and then having that "neutral" guy leave local.
Psh, why bother exposing a scout as such by using him to tackle when there are so many afk sheep to slaughter? It's not that our job is easy, it's that people make it easy for us. |
Ulviirala Vauryndar
Vauryndar Dalharil
14
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:35:00 -
[492] - Quote
Posting in a thread. |
Annathalia Blood
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:39:00 -
[493] - Quote
Can I have someones stuff ? Please ? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1418
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:41:00 -
[494] - Quote
Annathalia Blood wrote:Can I have someones stuff ? Please ?
You can have mine. Please just send me an evemail and 100 mil so I can have Red Frog ship it to you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15581
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:46:00 -
[495] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. Very well said. I agree 100%
DMC |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8510
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:48:00 -
[496] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
So how many destroyers do you think it should take to kill a civilian mining vessel? It's already ridiculous that a mining barge can have more EHP than a BC.
I don't think that is ridiculous as long as it reflects on yield/ore hold. Btw, I read something about CCP reps hinting on more future changes on the mackinaw. In it's current form they think it's too powerful on several fronts at the same time. What could that mean? Well, since it was meant as the 'large ore hold afk-able boat' iirc I don't think they'll be changing the ore hold. Lowering naked EHP, don't think they'll do that cuz of bear whining. So that leaves yield. How would that be best achieved? reducing calibration, CPU or powergrid or removing a low slot?
They have to lower its EHP otherwise the skiff will continue to be pointless. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
278
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:52:00 -
[497] - Quote
it's utterly hilarious that this activity has made mining vessel balance an intensely debated subject.
mining vessel is too stronk lol. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8510
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:01:00 -
[498] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's utterly hilarious that this activity has made mining vessel balance an intensely debated subject.
mining vessel is too stronk lol.
Its been known right from the day CCPbuffed barges that the lineup was horribly unbalanced. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
278
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:09:00 -
[499] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's utterly hilarious that this activity has made mining vessel balance an intensely debated subject.
mining vessel is too stronk lol. Its been known right from the day CCPbuffed barges that the lineup was horribly unbalanced.
my point is that unless you've been recently blobbed by a fleet of mackaniaws then it's practically a nonissue.
though i know barges get used as bait ships a lot as the eve community just can't help themselves! |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8510
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:13:00 -
[500] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
my point is that unless you've been recently blobbed by a fleet of mackaniaws then it's practically a nonissue.
though i know barges get used as bait ships a lot as the eve community just can't help themselves!
The issue isnt these ships vs others, its the barges vs themselves.
The mack and retriever simply out class the other 4 barges. |
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ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
184
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:17:00 -
[501] - Quote
WTS Autopilot Licenses
It has come to our attention that you have been using auto pilot without a license. As you are probably aware, auto pilot licenses have been required to use auto pilot since the Pilot Protection Act was signed. .......... The main reason behind this Act was to help prevent many of the accidents caused from by the use of auto pilot.
If you wish to continue using auto pilot, to you will be required to apply for a 1 year license. The application fee will be determined by the class of the permit you are applying for. The classes are broken down as follows:
----- ----- ----- -----
Class E: Single Member 25 mil
Class D: 10 members or less. 50 mill
Class C: 11 - 25 members. 75 mill
Class B: 26 - 50 members. 100 mill
Class A: 51 - 100 members. 150 mill
Class S: 100+ members. 200 mill
----- ----- ----- ----- it will only protect you from high sec ganking. It will not protect you against wars or low sec roams.
If you wish to apply, send the application fee to Mr Vrix , with the class you are applying for in the description. Your application fee will be processed within 24 hours, and you will receive a confirmation mail when it has been accepted. All questions and comments can be sent to ST0NER SMURF |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:22:00 -
[502] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
my point is that unless you've been recently blobbed by a fleet of mackaniaws then it's practically a nonissue.
though i know barges get used as bait ships a lot as the eve community just can't help themselves!
The issue isnt these ships vs others, its the barges vs themselves. The mack and retriever simply out class the other 4 barges.
yeah well they took the +2 warp core strength off the skiff. if it were the ventures big brother then it would make sense. also it could probably use a bigger drone bay/more bandwidth and it could be useful as a low/null vessel.
other than that they seem fine. most people mine solo, i'd imagine, so the mack/retty is the obvious choice. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8510
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:21:00 -
[503] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
my point is that unless you've been recently blobbed by a fleet of mackaniaws then it's practically a nonissue.
though i know barges get used as bait ships a lot as the eve community just can't help themselves!
The issue isnt these ships vs others, its the barges vs themselves. The mack and retriever simply out class the other 4 barges. yeah well they took the +2 warp core strength off the skiff. if it were the ventures big brother then it would make sense. also it could probably use a bigger drone bay/more bandwidth and it could be useful as a low/null vessel. other than that they seem fine. most people mine solo, i'd imagine, so the mack/retty is the obvious choice.
Aside from the fact that the tank on the mack means there is no point in getting a skiff and it will suck in enough rock to make the hulk also pointless in getting.
It overlaps the other two exhumers far too much. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:27:00 -
[504] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
my point is that unless you've been recently blobbed by a fleet of mackaniaws then it's practically a nonissue.
though i know barges get used as bait ships a lot as the eve community just can't help themselves!
The issue isnt these ships vs others, its the barges vs themselves. The mack and retriever simply out class the other 4 barges. yeah well they took the +2 warp core strength off the skiff. if it were the ventures big brother then it would make sense. also it could probably use a bigger drone bay/more bandwidth and it could be useful as a low/null vessel. other than that they seem fine. most people mine solo, i'd imagine, so the mack/retty is the obvious choice. Aside from the fact that the tank on the mack means there is no point in getting a skiff and it will suck in enough rock to make the hulk also pointless in getting. It overlaps the other two exhumers far too much.
the hulk/cov are designed for fleet mining. you're supposed to have about 4 of them per orca to make it worthwhile. if you nerf the mackinaw everyone will go back to hulk, just like everyone used to.
i'm not saying it's perfect but it's much better than it used to be. |
Teyla Amidale
Zahadu
1
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:38:00 -
[505] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8513
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 16:47:00 -
[506] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
the hulk/cov are designed for fleet mining. you're supposed to have about 4 of them per orca to make it worthwhile. if you nerf the mackinaw everyone will go back to hulk, just like everyone used to.
i'm not saying it's perfect but it's much better than it used to be.
That the whole point of teircide.
Want the good yeild? Get a hulk
Want the most cargo space? use a mack
Want the tank? go for a skiff.
Right now the mack ticks all three boxes. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8513
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 16:48:00 -
[507] - Quote
Teyla Amidale wrote: Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.
Tell me, have you heard of the corp called M0o? |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 16:57:00 -
[508] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
the hulk/cov are designed for fleet mining. you're supposed to have about 4 of them per orca to make it worthwhile. if you nerf the mackinaw everyone will go back to hulk, just like everyone used to.
i'm not saying it's perfect but it's much better than it used to be.
That the whole point of teircide. Want the best yeild? FGet a hulk Want the most cargo space? use a mack Want the tank? go fort a skiff. Right now the mack ticks all three boxes.
you can't get 90K EHP out of a mack, that's what a tanky skiff can do.
best i can get out of a mack is 45K, both omnitank, even shield resists as much as possible, damage control and plate in teh lows. that's quite a difference. |
Anarkia Evangel
Glass Archor
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 17:28:00 -
[509] - Quote
This is how I see it.
T1 haulers are completely broke from my point of view, I havenGÇÖt flow one since ganking became so popular. They have so little HP they are easy targets for gankers and not worth the trouble.
I do fly T2 haulers, my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec and I rarely have anything valuable in it, I also never afk after finding it in armor a number of times on getting back to my computer. I mostly want to blame this on the GÇ£shoot meGÇ¥ sign in its description GÇ£Immune to cargo scanningGÇ¥.
But I canGÇÖt, IGÇÖve been gank a number of times afk travelling in shuttles and noob ships with nothing but 1 unit if tritanium in the cargo and sometimes not even that.
I wonder if itGÇÖs the age of my character and people think itGÇÖs a good gamble but itGÇÖs ridiculous losing noobs ships like that, fair play if IGÇÖm carrying something of value. But the fact it happens so often make me feel there is something wrong.
Is it so easy and cheap to do that gankers can afford to destroy empty noob ships and shuttles?
Or are there so many people flying valuable items in them that it makes randomly shooting them worth it?
IGÇÖm not sure of a solution, whether ganking needs to be looked at as a whole or if the HP of certain ships needs to be address.
I donGÇÖt think the current system is working.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17323
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 17:31:00 -
[510] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:you can't get 90K EHP out of a mack, that's what a tanky skiff can do.
best i can get out of a mack is 45K, both omnitank, even shield resists as much as possible, damage control and plate in teh lows. that's quite a difference. It gets sufficient tank, making the additional tank the Skiff offers redundant. The same with the yield: it provides sufficient yield, which makes the additional yield of the Hulk not worth the effort.
The differences are too small or just meaningless. |
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Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
340
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 17:38:00 -
[511] - Quote
I must agree with the op inasmuch as gameplay designed around using throwaway alts is bad gameply. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 17:50:00 -
[512] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:you can't get 90K EHP out of a mack, that's what a tanky skiff can do.
best i can get out of a mack is 45K, both omnitank, even shield resists as much as possible, damage control and plate in teh lows. that's quite a difference. It gets sufficient tank, making the additional tank the Skiff offers redundant. The same with the yield: it provides sufficient yield, which makes the additional yield of the Hulk not worth the effort. The differences are too small or just meaningless.
well if the mack had less tank then the price difference between it and the retriever would make the mack worthless. it's not like you get 8 times more ore bay. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
118
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 17:58:00 -
[513] - Quote
I keep hearing the term "throwaway alts" when referring to gankers. I'm not so sure that's actually correct. From what I've been reading quite of a few of these gankers LOVE what they do, and as such I'm betting that rather than throwaways they view these characters lovingly as harvesters of tears. CCP has already made it a Very Bad Thing(tm) to biomass alts to remove low security status. Aside from that, after coming back ten months ago from a year long hiatus into the hinterlands of no internet I was somewhat appalled to see what had become of my cherished flaming rocket car of asteroidal badtouchies... aka the Hulk. After doing a little reading I promptly turned it in for a Mackinaw. After about oh, 45 minutes of mining I realized that I would rather gargle broken glass than continue to do this. As I have never believed that mining AFK, or even being AFK uncloaked was ever a good idea, I came to the conclusion that my mining days were done. That being said, I do believe the Mackinaw does need some rebalance as it truly is the prime solo mining vessel now. Well, perhaps except for the procurer, which apparently feeds on other mining vessels, as The Pirate Story Thread has recently demonstrated. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 18:05:00 -
[514] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Actually, Meilandra, they are on record as saying that the barge EHP buffs went too far, and they need to be downscaled by a fair margin.
They're all going to be taking a hit, not just the Mack.
And thank goodness for that. It's about time that it be not impossible to die if you are awake.
Really? Well, I don't have a problem with the current EHP on the current barges/exhumers tbh. If they go back to EHP levels where even heavily tanked macks are soloable by a single t2 cata that would be a bit overkill in my book. But a yield nerf, I'd be in favor of that.
Either way, as soon as I finish my training there are gonna be a lot more dead Macks on the killboards.
And it's Miss Vanderganken for you! My mother warned me about boys like you, you scoundrel!
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8515
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 18:05:00 -
[515] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
you can't get 90K EHP out of a mack, that's what a tanky skiff can do.
best i can get out of a mack is 45K, both omnitank, even shield resists as much as possible, damage control and plate in teh lows. that's quite a difference.
You don't need 90k.
All you need is enough to make a gank unprofitable to do and the mack can get this without sacrificing any of its yeild. |
Jim Era
7634
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 18:09:00 -
[516] - Quote
does the mack even have any decent yield? It mines pretty slow if I'm not mistaken, or are we just trying to keep people from mining altogether? |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
118
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 18:14:00 -
[517] - Quote
Depends on who you ask. When you strip away all the rhetoric and rp, from what I can tell groups like CODE are mainly trying to keep miners awake and at their keys while they do what they do, rather than AFKminz0rz and botting. As such I can't really criticize that. Others do it because they can, or because of the reaction they get from it... or they do it because it is "what is best in life". |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17324
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 18:17:00 -
[518] - Quote
Jim Era wrote:does the mack even have any decent yield? It mines pretty slow if I'm not mistaken, None of them have bad yield any more. There's just one ship for each tech level that has more (Hulk & Covetor). The others simply sit on the same baseline. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 18:30:00 -
[519] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
you can't get 90K EHP out of a mack, that's what a tanky skiff can do.
best i can get out of a mack is 45K, both omnitank, even shield resists as much as possible, damage control and plate in teh lows. that's quite a difference.
You don't need 90k. All you need is enough to make a gank unprofitable to do and the mack can get this without sacrificing any of its yeild.
that's assuming direct profit is the motive rather than for the lolz or running a highsec extortion racket/cult.
but like i said, nerf its tank and it's just a very expensive retriever. no point to it at all. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 20:52:00 -
[520] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
you can't get 90K EHP out of a mack, that's what a tanky skiff can do.
best i can get out of a mack is 45K, both omnitank, even shield resists as much as possible, damage control and plate in teh lows. that's quite a difference.
You don't need 90k. All you need is enough to make a gank unprofitable to do and the mack can get this without sacrificing any of its yeild. that's assuming direct profit is the motive rather than for the lolz or running a highsec extortion racket/cult.
Or assuming gankers want isk efficiency (most do). We all want our killboards to look good.
Quote:but like i said, nerf its tank and it's just a very expensive retriever. no point to it at all.
I pretty much have to agree with you on that. |
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Renegade Heart
The MIneral Munchers
22
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:01:00 -
[521] - Quote
Anarkia Evangel wrote:my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec
If you cloak before warping they can't lock you.
Just saying.
And if you are on about when you undock, then use an instawarp. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
189
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 21:15:00 -
[522] - Quote
Teyla Amidale wrote: Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.
You are wrong and completely clueless. |
Odethia
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 22:00:00 -
[523] - Quote
Baaldor wrote:Teyla Amidale wrote: Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.
You are wrong and completely clueless. He is right, back then this was quite a curiosity to see people get ganked, now it happen everywhere. Even when you could only warp to 15km it almost never happened.
People discovered how cheap it is to get an alt into a Catalyst that pack way too much punch for their value and SP requirement.
Bye bye AFK traveling, CCP might as well get rid of the autopilot. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17328
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 22:06:00 -
[524] - Quote
Odethia wrote:Baaldor wrote:Teyla Amidale wrote: Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.
You are wrong and completely clueless. He is right, back then this was quite a curiosity to see people get ganked, now it happen everywhere. No, he's not. Back then, you could make a decent living from sitting on the Jita undock stealing gank loot. Now you can't. Back then, you could see CONCORD clouds on pretty much every gate along the major pipelines. Now you don't. Back then, mission hubs would be lit up on the map from fools being ganked for their faction fits. Now they're dim and even officer-fit ship fly around unmolested.
The notion that ganks were somehow rarer back then is only born out of misremembering how much business as usual they were GÇö no-one took notice because that was just the way of things. These days, they are so rare that every gank is a major event that gets a lot of attention. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12318
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 22:15:00 -
[525] - Quote
Odethia wrote:Baaldor wrote:Teyla Amidale wrote: Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.
You are wrong and completely clueless. He is right, back then this was quite a curiosity to see people get ganked, now it happen everywhere. Even when you could only warp to 15km it almost never happened. People discovered how cheap it is to get an alt into a Catalyst that pack way too much punch for their value and SP requirement. Bye bye AFK traveling, CCP might as well get rid of the autopilot.
Ahahaha catalysts... it used to be essentially free to use a battleship to gank with, never mind a destroyer.
But don't let the facts get in the way of what your faith tells you. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 22:44:00 -
[526] - Quote
it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.
i started playing during hulkageddon V when this sort of thing was an event. now it's business as usual. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
512
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 22:56:00 -
[527] - Quote
Omar Alharazaad wrote:Depends on who you ask. When you strip away all the rhetoric and rp, from what I can tell groups like CODE are mainly trying to keep miners awake and at their keys while they do what they do, rather than AFKminz0rz and botting. As such I can't really criticize that. Others do it because they can, or because of the reaction they get from it... or they do it because it is "what is best in life". Actually CODE just do it for the Lolz to shoot everyone. They talk a rhetoric that they don't actually follow since they gank miners who are present also. And it gives them a huge scam of donations that they are making out like pirates on. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1426
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 23:04:00 -
[528] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.
Not really increased. Organized.
And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 23:11:00 -
[529] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.
Not really increased. Organized. And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can.
if you say so. it's just getting a bit stale to be called 'emergent' content at this point.
and i might do a bit of white knighting myself. have an alt cooking at the moment. i'm just afraid it's not going to be very fun. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12012
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 23:13:00 -
[530] - Quote
If CCP could do something about "the idiots," in highsec, or in EVE, or anywhere, then they would be very rich. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1427
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 23:17:00 -
[531] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.
Not really increased. Organized. And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can. if you say so. it's just getting a bit stale to be called 'emergent' content at this point. and i might do a bit of white knighting myself. have an alt cooking at the moment. i'm just afraid it's not going to be very fun.
I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 23:21:00 -
[532] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip. |
Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
682
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:29:00 -
[533] - Quote
Quote:Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP? I've been trying, but no matter how many times I gank them, they never learn. They just come on the forums and whine.
Quote:Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec. I agree entirely and would also like this train of thought to extend to as many forms of gameplay as possible. Mining should require complex calculations to mine correctly otherwise you get nothing and the rock explodes taking your ship with it. PVE rats should have competent fleet formations and pvp fits with effectiveness on par with players. They should also always scramble and pod whenever they can.
All of this of course should only take place in low and null sec. Any profitable activity in highsec should be impossible. A perfect, sterile land of absolute peace, that no filthy player can disturb in any way.
...Or not.
I'm personally very happy that any new player can very quickly get into a position to completely ruin a much older player's day. It's a beautiful thing that they can have such an impact on the game so soon, and should only be encouraged. |
Zedrik Cayne
Stay Frosty.
195
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:39:00 -
[534] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
No...You are just wrong..So wrong, there is a FAQ for how wrong you are.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14550
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:56:00 -
[535] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Actually CODE just do it for the Lolz to shoot everyone. They talk a rhetoric that they don't actually follow since they gank miners who are present also. And it gives them a huge scam of donations that they are making out like pirates on. According to the code no permit means you're a valid target, regardless of presence at the keyboard.
I mine occasionally on an alt, and I don't have a permit to do so; yet I never get ganked, because I know who the gankers are, and I operate in areas of highsec where they don't. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
516
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:23:00 -
[536] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
High sec is not safe space, just the rules of engagement is more structured. I agree with a lot of your points but high sec was never meant to be safe, plus afk gaming is not actually gaming. |
Sar Carstic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:20:00 -
[537] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip.
I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better. I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE! Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one. |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:36:00 -
[538] - Quote
Sar Carstic wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip. I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better. I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE! Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one.
Selling someone a permit would give you a chance to gank someone who has bought one, because the person you sold the permit too would have just bought one, and you would have a chance to gank them.
Therefore, your rationale for not selling licenses is in fact a rationale TO sell licenses.
"I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, ....gank fit cats should pop like grapes."
If they should pop like grapes, then why would doing that relieve your boredom? Do you like popping grapes? why not do something difficult and target something that isn't defenseless like a gank-fit cat is, according to you; pop something with strong, recently buffed defenses, like a mining barge.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1429
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:48:00 -
[539] - Quote
Sar Carstic wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip. I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better. I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE! Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one.
Good.
The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.
When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range. |
Kallen Kozukie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:39:00 -
[540] - Quote
No matter how you justify it, it's way too easy to make throwaway gank alts that do it till sec status bottoms out, then rinse and repeat. CONCORD was meant to curb that kind of activity, and making cheap lil destoyers in a month or so is just simply too much.
Something does need to be done about it.
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Kallen Kozukie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:41:00 -
[541] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sar Carstic wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip. I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better. I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE! Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one. Good. The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range.
To play YOUR game you mean, to play THE game is something totally different. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8523
|
Posted - 2013.11.11 02:41:00 -
[542] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
that's assuming direct profit is the motive rather than for the lolz or running a highsec extortion racket/cult.
but like i said, nerf its tank and it's just a very expensive retriever. no point to it at all.
It just needs its base tank reduced to the same as the hulk. |
Sar Carstic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:41:00 -
[543] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote: Selling someone a permit would give you a chance to gank someone who has bought one, because the person you sold the permit too would have just bought one, and you would have a chance to gank them.
Therefore, your rationale for not selling licenses is in fact a rationale TO sell licenses.
"I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, ....gank fit cats should pop like grapes."
If they should pop like grapes, then why would doing that relieve your boredom? Do you like popping grapes? why not do something difficult and target something that isn't defenseless like a gank-fit cat is, according to you; pop something with strong, recently buffed defenses, like a mining barge.
No, if I sold someone a permit I would actually honour it. But I think the whole concept is ridiculous so was actually making fun of it.
Yes, I quite enjoy biting down on grapes and LOVE the feel and sound of them popping. Hunting the hunter and popping some nice little cat that is about to gank a miner will be tremendous fun - I appreciate your concern there, but I will be enjoying myself plenty, thanks.
And who knows, if I see a nice juicy miner sitting there I might just take your suggestion too - maybe there is something I am missing with all this miner ganking, might be worth a try as well. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8523
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:47:00 -
[544] - Quote
Kallen Kozukie wrote:No matter how you justify it, it's way too easy to make throwaway gank alts that do it till sec status bottoms out, then rinse and repeat. CONCORD was meant to curb that kind of activity, and making cheap lil destoyers in a month or so is just simply too much.
Something does need to be done about it.
That's a bannable offence. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1432
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:48:00 -
[545] - Quote
Kallen Kozukie wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sar Carstic wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip. I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better. I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE! Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one. Good. The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range. To play YOUR game you mean, to play THE game is something totally different.
No, not really. Unless you count afk/ tabbed out with a retriever ice mining while you watch Family Guy on Netflix as "playing the game". |
Sar Carstic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:50:00 -
[546] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Good.
The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.
When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range.
So no one played EVE before the "CODE"?
That is good though, and I actually suspect there will only be a minority of coders that would be upset to get ganked. Bear in mind here, I was only having a poke at the code, I don't actively dislike it in any way, I think it is funny and no doubt does generate some game content for some people - just nowhere near as much as those who follow it seem to think sometimes.
I am also sure there are a lot who gank miners who don't give two sh*ts about the code, I'll be equally happy hunting them if they are in a cat.
I appreciate the advice, thanks. To make it fun, and to answer the previous poster about challenge, I am thinking to see if I can do it in a rookie ship perhaps, or something else a little more challenging. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1432
|
Posted - 2013.11.11 02:58:00 -
[547] - Quote
Sar Carstic wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Good.
The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.
When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range.
So no one played EVE before the "CODE"? That is good though, and I actually suspect there will only be a minority of coders that would be upset to get ganked. Bear in mind here, I was only having a poke at the code, I don't actively dislike it in any way, I think it is funny and no doubt does generate some game content for some people - just nowhere near as much as those who follow it seem to think sometimes. I am also sure there are a lot who gank miners who don't give two sh*ts about the code, I'll be equally happy hunting them if they are in a cat. I appreciate the advice, thanks. To make it fun, and to answer the previous poster about challenge, I am thinking to see if I can do it in a rookie ship perhaps, or something else a little more challenging.
Not that no one played EVE before The Code, but rather that more genuiely play it now, thanks to The Code.
Even you yourself have been motivated to action in response to those who follow The Code. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2627
|
Posted - 2013.11.11 15:37:00 -
[548] - Quote
The genius of the code is that...
If you rage in local If you post tear threads on the forums If you try and form a resistance (how many have there been now lol) If you change how you fit your ships If you change how you mine/mission
then you are helping us achieve our goal. No longer are you a mindless afk slave, you are now more actively engaged with the game.
And that's what we want.
The only way to resist us is to do absolutely nothing differently, and if you do nothing different Mr Antimatter says hello and your ship goes byebye |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:10:00 -
[549] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.
Not really increased. Organized. And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can. if you say so. it's just getting a bit stale to be called 'emergent' content at this point. and i might do a bit of white knighting myself. have an alt cooking at the moment. i'm just afraid it's not going to be very fun. Depends on your expectations. You are going to do a lot of waiting for anything to happen, you might think differently about how often ganks happen when you spend hours waiting for them to happen.
You won't get any good kills either most of the time unless you get a BC. But BC ganks are even rarer as they cost too much (both in isk and skill training/effort). Your best kills in general will be t2 fitted trashers and cata's. Expect a lot of cheap t1/meta fitted.
As for pods: most of them will be cheap or empty. "Getting pod kills in empire you say?!?! You must be joking!!", nope, there is always some lag when your boat splodes, more if many gankers partake in a single gank and sometimes they just aren't fast enough to respond. Often they don't make insta-dock bookmarks either so sometimes you can just wait on station dock for them to warp right into you.
Watch out with all gank/instalock-no tank white knighting btw. You won't be the first White knight that get's ganked instead of the miners he's trying to protect.
I did it several times, only during mass ganking events like hulkageddon, burn Jita's and interdictions. Even then you won't get much action cept during prime time.
Most of the 'fun' comes from mocking in local if you managed to fumble a gank and/or catch a pod. There's always one that's butthurt. But if that's your aim you're way better off ganking miners, plenty of targets and action pretty much when you want it.
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
498
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:31:00 -
[550] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.
lol, That's freakin' hilarious. AUT5M - Active HiSec/WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Inquire within. 5mSP minimum, full API required. |
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Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:55:00 -
[551] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.
Let us take out some of the distracting words.
Infinity Ziona wrote:I autopiloted it to Jita ... (I) was podded.
Now, I do go to Harvard, but you don't need to be a Harvard student to figure out the solution here... |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:59:00 -
[552] - Quote
Why is it not a surprise that in a game where the devs feel GREED IS GOOD that the players have adopted a GANKING IS GOOD policy.
Oh and autopiloting around in EVE will get you ganked m'k? |
Cage Man
289
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:30:00 -
[553] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
OMG.. almost choked on my coffee when I read this... you and your crew are proud null AFK cloakers who bug the hell out of null bears and you come complaining about HS not being safe.. wow.. just wow..
The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:48:00 -
[554] - Quote
Cage Man wrote:OMG.. almost choked on my coffee when I read this... you and your crew are proud null AFK cloakers who bug the hell out of null bears and you come complaining about HS not being safe.. wow.. just wow.. Cause, you know, bothering null sec miners/ratters/explorers/missioners and cloacking up when 2 other enter local is hardcore, while shooting at miners in high sec is plain griefing!
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Anarkia Evangel
Glass Archor
1
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:12:00 -
[555] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:Anarkia Evangel wrote:my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec If you cloak before warping they can't lock you. Just saying. And if you are on about when you undock, then use an instawarp.
Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway?
And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it?
You are being unrealistic. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:08:00 -
[556] - Quote
Anarkia Evangel wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Anarkia Evangel wrote:my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec If you cloak before warping they can't lock you. Just saying. And if you are on about when you undock, then use an instawarp. Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway? And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it? You are being unrealistic.
AFK-auto-piloting will realisticly get you locked (and (fail) ganked) in EVE yeah. The sollution would be not afk-auto-piloting. |
Nivo Green
Stac Enterprises
26
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:31:00 -
[557] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
What do you consider skill and earning kills to be exactly. A hunter must only be better than its prey, nothing more, and I believe I am not alone when I say most highsec players do not set the bar very high for the hunters.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17368
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:34:00 -
[558] - Quote
Anarkia Evangel wrote:Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway? Anyone who wants to travel in safety. Also, since you noticed it being locked a lot while travelling, you're obviously sitting in front of the computer already, so cloaking to avoid those locks isn't asking much.
Quote:And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it? Yes. Chances are that they aren't all that many to begin with. Any station you visit with any regularity is worth the (minute) effort it takes to set up an insta GÇö doubly so if it's in a recently well-populated system. Sure, if it's a particularly empty system, you probably won't since no-one is around to go after you, but even then, if you come there often enoughGǪ
Quote:You are being unrealistic. He's being solution-oriented and pragmatic. None of what he said is particularly unrealistic GÇö it just require the tiniest amount of planning and effort. So maybe that's your complaint? He's not actually lazy? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1486
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:43:00 -
[559] - Quote
Nivo Green wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
What do you consider skill and earning kills to be exactly. A hunter must only be better than its prey, nothing more, and I believe I am not alone when I say most highsec players do not set the bar very high for the hunters.
This.
Folks, if our job is easy, it's only because our prey is so, so dumb. Low-hanging fruit? Yeah, probably. But somebody has got to eat it. And I have found that no matter how low, podfruit is just so yummy. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1204
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:18:00 -
[560] - Quote
Anarkia Evangel wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Anarkia Evangel wrote:my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec If you cloak before warping they can't lock you. Just saying. And if you are on about when you undock, then use an instawarp. Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway? And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it? You are being unrealistic.
This is why you all need to be exploded. This right here. Anyone who flies a blockade runner in null has literally hundreds of bookmarks, or will after a few losses. You are soft and squishy, you are fat on CONCORD's protection.
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:25:00 -
[561] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.
this is a stealth "buff autopilot" thread isn't it..
I really think the OP is trolling, he can't be that dumb to see whats wrong here. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1487
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:29:00 -
[562] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs. this is a stealth "buff autopilot" thread isn't it.. I really think the OP is trolling, he can't be that dumb to see whats wrong here.
Unfamiliar with Infinity Ziona, I see.
Yeah, he can be that dumb. We get a new one of these threads every time something comes along and upsets his applecart. Last time it was reinforcement timers, before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Cage Man
289
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:33:00 -
[563] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs. this is a stealth "buff autopilot" thread isn't it.. I really think the OP is trolling, he can't be that dumb to see whats wrong here. Unfamiliar with Infinity Ziona, I see. Yeah, he can be that dumb. We get a new one of these threads every time something comes along and upsets his applecart. Last time it was reinforcement timers, before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov. AFK cloaking is a complex task and requires you full attention.. you can't be an expert in the art of AFK and be expected to know about the other game mechanics at the same time.. The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:36:00 -
[564] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov.
that's ******* hilarious!
"WHY CAN'T I DOCK IN MY ENEMIES CONTROLLED SPACE?"" hmm not sure.. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1487
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:41:00 -
[565] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov. that's ******* hilarious! "WHY CAN'T I DOCK IN MY ENEMIES CONTROLLED SPACE?"" hmm not sure..
Oh, I am not kidding either. Not only does IZ feel totally entitled to do this, but it's what started his crusade to change as many aspects of the game as possible to directly benefit himself.
If you wanted to dig through his posting record, you can find the saga of the shield tanked Proteus, too. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
710
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:57:00 -
[566] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
*snip*
If you wanted to dig through his posting record, you can find the saga of the shield tanked Proteus, too.
That is even more hilarious.
After all, Gallente ships are traditionally shield based....
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áVote For Emergent Gameplay and the Sandbox. Vote Erotica 1 For CSM!!!! -á-á |
Binchiette Ambrye
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:18:00 -
[567] - Quote
You totally forgot about all the posts of Ziona about 0.0 being safer than high sec and the risk running missions in high sec is much higher than the risk of ratting in 0.0.
The argument there was that in high sec you have suicide gankers who could come after you anytime while people in 0.0 are not silly enough to stay on field in PvE fitted ships when neutrals enter local and thus high sec being way more dangerous than 0.0. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
782
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:45:00 -
[568] - Quote
Lol this is still going.
Kallrus is a bit of an exaggerator, to clear up some of his obvious trolling:
0.0 is a lot safer than high sec. Its vastly less populated, its very easy to spot an enemy (in my case everyone) entering system and you can kill a ganker (in my case everyone) before they attack you.
Kallrus is also obfuscating the not able to dock issue. I said hunting in deep null is very difficult because you cannot dock and refit, not that I should be able to dock and refit in everyone's stations. I solo warred a null sec alliance demanding they allow me to dock at one station, which they eventually did. I call that emergent gameplay and gameplay that is in line with EvE's intended playstyle (let me dock or I'll kill you) rather than whining about it and doing nothing.
As for the shield Proteus. I used that Proteus to attack and kill the above alliance who wouldn't let me dock. For a so called fail fit boat I managed a kill death ratio of 22/1 mostly BC and even a Nightmare, in it so I think it was proven to work, especially considering I was hunting in their hub system and there were up to 20 enemy in system while I was attacking people. Each booster charge provides 1800 pure shields, with an average of 80% resists and 10 charges you can do the math and see its an extremely functional boat.
Additionally it uses no cap for shields, its align time is 6 seconds vs 11 in an armor tank, it's a lot faster than an armor tanked boat and no ability to refit and repair made it a much more useful boat in null than an armor tanked buffer for obvious reasons.
Unfortunately Kallrus is one of those people who believe doctrine is more important than functionality and results and despite the 22/1 k/d he still refuses to believe its viable. Which is sheer stupidity but hey this is EvE forums. |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
169
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:09:00 -
[569] - Quote
I blame people being so bad at PVP they have to shoot people with no guns. I for one am happy for people to make the ships and let me get them blown up in glorious combat, forever searching for the GF!
Peace X |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
783
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:17:00 -
[570] - Quote
Black Panpher wrote:I blame people being so bad at PVP they have to shoot people with no guns. I for one am happy for people to make the ships and let me get them blown up in glorious combat, forever searching for the GF!
Peace X Glorious combat scares your average ganker |
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Binchiette Ambrye
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:26:00 -
[571] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Lol this is still going.
As for the shield Proteus. I used that Proteus to attack and kill the above alliance who wouldn't let me dock. For a so called fail fit boat I managed a kill death ratio of 22/1 mostly BC and even a Nightmare, in it so I think it was proven to work, especially considering I was hunting in their hub system and there were up to 20 enemy in system while I was attacking people. Each booster charge provides 1800 pure shields, with an average of 80% resists and 10 charges you can do the math and see its an extremely functional boat.
Additionally it uses no cap for shields, its align time is 6 seconds vs 11 in an armor tank, it's a lot faster than an armor tanked boat and no ability to refit and repair made it a much more useful boat in null than an armor tanked buffer for obvious reasons.
Unfortunately Kallrus is one of those people who believe doctrine is more important than functionality and results and despite the 22/1 k/d he still refuses to believe its viable. Which is sheer stupidity but hey this is EvE forums.
Those Kills pretty much mean nothing, even a pvp fitted t1 cruiser would have been able to kill those ships, since they were PvE fitted Oracles with beams, which will not hit a cruiser on close range anyway. The number of ppl in system means nothing as well since just because 20 ppl are logged in it does not mean that they are really active in the system.
Go and kill 20 pvp fitted t3s in you shield proteus and I ll believe you... killing 20 ships which had no chance in fighting you in that situation does not proof anything. |
Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:34:00 -
[572] - Quote
Binchiette Ambrye wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Lol this is still going.
As for the shield Proteus. I used that Proteus to attack and kill the above alliance who wouldn't let me dock. For a so called fail fit boat I managed a kill death ratio of 22/1 mostly BC and even a Nightmare, in it so I think it was proven to work, especially considering I was hunting in their hub system and there were up to 20 enemy in system while I was attacking people. Each booster charge provides 1800 pure shields, with an average of 80% resists and 10 charges you can do the math and see its an extremely functional boat.
Additionally it uses no cap for shields, its align time is 6 seconds vs 11 in an armor tank, it's a lot faster than an armor tanked boat and no ability to refit and repair made it a much more useful boat in null than an armor tanked buffer for obvious reasons.
Unfortunately Kallrus is one of those people who believe doctrine is more important than functionality and results and despite the 22/1 k/d he still refuses to believe its viable. Which is sheer stupidity but hey this is EvE forums. Those Kills pretty much mean nothing, even a pvp fitted t1 cruiser would have been able to kill those ships, since they were PvE fitted Oracles with beams, which will not hit a cruiser on close range anyway. The number of ppl in system means nothing as well since just because 20 ppl are logged in it does not mean that they are really active in the system. Go and kill 20 pvp fitted t3s in you shield proteus and I ll believe you... killing 20 ships which had no chance in fighting you in that situation does not proof anything.
Oooh look, my pvp e-peen is bigger than your pvp e-peen. Wah, wah, wah.
A win is a win and there's more to fighting than just the fit, which is also important. These types of e-peen flashing arguments are ridiculous. The test of a pvp fight is who's ship is still standing at the end of the fight. I may be a girl but be careful, I bite. |
Binchiette Ambrye
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:45:00 -
[573] - Quote
Violet Crumble wrote:Binchiette Ambrye wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Lol this is still going.
As for the shield Proteus. I used that Proteus to attack and kill the above alliance who wouldn't let me dock. For a so called fail fit boat I managed a kill death ratio of 22/1 mostly BC and even a Nightmare, in it so I think it was proven to work, especially considering I was hunting in their hub system and there were up to 20 enemy in system while I was attacking people. Each booster charge provides 1800 pure shields, with an average of 80% resists and 10 charges you can do the math and see its an extremely functional boat.
Additionally it uses no cap for shields, its align time is 6 seconds vs 11 in an armor tank, it's a lot faster than an armor tanked boat and no ability to refit and repair made it a much more useful boat in null than an armor tanked buffer for obvious reasons.
Unfortunately Kallrus is one of those people who believe doctrine is more important than functionality and results and despite the 22/1 k/d he still refuses to believe its viable. Which is sheer stupidity but hey this is EvE forums. Those Kills pretty much mean nothing, even a pvp fitted t1 cruiser would have been able to kill those ships, since they were PvE fitted Oracles with beams, which will not hit a cruiser on close range anyway. The number of ppl in system means nothing as well since just because 20 ppl are logged in it does not mean that they are really active in the system. Go and kill 20 pvp fitted t3s in you shield proteus and I ll believe you... killing 20 ships which had no chance in fighting you in that situation does not proof anything. Oooh look, my pvp e-peen is bigger than your pvp e-peen. Wah, wah, wah. A win is a win and there's more to fighting than just the fit, which is also important. These types of e-peen flashing arguments are ridiculous. The test of a pvp fight is who's ship is still standing at the end of the fight.
Good job on totally not understanding the point i was making and turning it into something completly different. At no point in my post i was refering to being better than ziona and i also never said that the kills are not valid. All i am saying is that those kills do not proof in any way that Zionas shild proteus fit really is as good as Ziona claims.
And really what does my post have to do with any e-peen flashing, i was merely pointing out some facts. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
784
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:51:00 -
[574] - Quote
Binchiette Ambrye wrote:Violet Crumble wrote:Binchiette Ambrye wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Lol this is still going.
As for the shield Proteus. I used that Proteus to attack and kill the above alliance who wouldn't let me dock. For a so called fail fit boat I managed a kill death ratio of 22/1 mostly BC and even a Nightmare, in it so I think it was proven to work, especially considering I was hunting in their hub system and there were up to 20 enemy in system while I was attacking people. Each booster charge provides 1800 pure shields, with an average of 80% resists and 10 charges you can do the math and see its an extremely functional boat.
Additionally it uses no cap for shields, its align time is 6 seconds vs 11 in an armor tank, it's a lot faster than an armor tanked boat and no ability to refit and repair made it a much more useful boat in null than an armor tanked buffer for obvious reasons.
Unfortunately Kallrus is one of those people who believe doctrine is more important than functionality and results and despite the 22/1 k/d he still refuses to believe its viable. Which is sheer stupidity but hey this is EvE forums. Those Kills pretty much mean nothing, even a pvp fitted t1 cruiser would have been able to kill those ships, since they were PvE fitted Oracles with beams, which will not hit a cruiser on close range anyway. The number of ppl in system means nothing as well since just because 20 ppl are logged in it does not mean that they are really active in the system. Go and kill 20 pvp fitted t3s in you shield proteus and I ll believe you... killing 20 ships which had no chance in fighting you in that situation does not proof anything. Oooh look, my pvp e-peen is bigger than your pvp e-peen. Wah, wah, wah. A win is a win and there's more to fighting than just the fit, which is also important. These types of e-peen flashing arguments are ridiculous. The test of a pvp fight is who's ship is still standing at the end of the fight. Good job on totally not understanding the point i was making and turning it into something completly different. At no point in my post i was refering to being better than ziona and i also never said that the kills are not valid. All i am saying is that those kills do not proof in any way that Zionas shild proteus fit really is as good as Ziona claims. And really what does my post have to do with any e-peen flashing, i was merely pointing out some facts. The point of the Proteus was to have a covert ops very agile ship with good dps that could remain in a deep null system and kill ratting / missioning ships quickly before their in system friends arrived.
Since I managed 22 kills and only died to a 17 ship hot drop I would say that's proof that the ship is viable at the task it was fitted for.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
301
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Posted - 2013.11.13 03:47:00 -
[575] - Quote
Binchiette Ambrye wrote:... Good job on totally not understanding the point i was making and turning it into something completly different.....
That's all you're gonna get. Also the claim that IZ was allowed docking rights by Tribe is a lie. Unless it was another null alliance you 'solo warred', if that's what lurking afk cloaked in a lolfit t3 with a falcon alt is called. Most guys do that with a bomber or recon, get kills and dock down the road at an npc station. Can't remember the one 5 jumps from PB but i still have stuff there from my own time sneaking around there. At that time everyone in EvE was cruising over to PB to punch out Tribal Bads, IZ was probably the last person to make it there. Would really love to hear about how docking rights were forcefully obtained based on a few hauler and ratter kills, but probably just get twisted into some fitting argument or definition of efficiency or some other slimy obfuscation.
TL:DR; OP is a joke and a liar. Not a troll
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
784
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:16:00 -
[576] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Binchiette Ambrye wrote:... Good job on totally not understanding the point i was making and turning it into something completly different..... That's all you're gonna get. Also the claim that IZ was allowed docking rights by Tribe is a lie. Unless it was another null alliance you 'solo warred', if that's what lurking afk cloaked in a lolfit t3 with a falcon alt is called. Most guys do that with a bomber or recon, get kills and dock down the road at an npc station. Can't remember the one 5 jumps from PB but i still have stuff there from my own time sneaking around there. At that time everyone in EvE was cruising over to PB to punch out Tribal Bads, IZ was probably the last person to make it there. Would really love to hear about how docking rights were forcefully obtained based on a few hauler and ratter kills, but probably just get twisted into some fitting argument or definition of efficiency or some other slimy obfuscation. TL:DR; OP is a joke and a liar. Not a troll Simple check of my contracts will clearly show I was granted docking rights. |
Col Arran
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
154
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:18:00 -
[577] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
No its not the game they designed, if you have really been here since the beginning you would know that previously you could evade CONCORD and completely escape getting your ship blown up from a gank or getting 3-4 successful ganks in an ice belt warping from the top to the bottom to evade CONCORD.
Ganking was a bigger issue then than it is currently. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
784
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:28:00 -
[578] - Quote
Col Arran wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP. No its not the game they designed, if you have really been here since the beginning you would know that previously you could evade CONCORD and completely escape getting your ship blown up from a gank or getting 3-4 successful ganks in an ice belt warping from the top to the bottom to evade CONCORD. Ganking was a bigger issue then than it is currently. While you can spin it the way to give an unrealistic view of the past cost and sec loss were costly enough to keep it under control. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:52:00 -
[579] - Quote
Binchiette Ambrye wrote: And really what does my post have to do with any e-peen flashing, i was merely pointing out some facts.
I have never seen facts get in the way of the discussion on Eve-O forums. E.g., this thread.
Buff facts. |
Col Arran
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
154
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:56:00 -
[580] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Col Arran wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP. No its not the game they designed, if you have really been here since the beginning you would know that previously you could evade CONCORD and completely escape getting your ship blown up from a gank or getting 3-4 successful ganks in an ice belt warping from the top to the bottom to evade CONCORD. Ganking was a bigger issue then than it is currently. While you can spin it that way to give an unrealistic view of the past, cost and sec loss were costly enough to keep it under control, one suicide pod was instant -5. To get that back was a good month of ratting in null.
Cost? You used to get insurance payout form suicide ganks, and no sec loss didn't keep it under control. One moth of ratting? More like 2 days of system chaining. |
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Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
105
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:24:00 -
[581] - Quote
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:Or just do what the rest of us do.. fit some buffer and ignore them .. since their ganking model isnt sustainable against tanky ships.. costs too much Coming from the person who has, according to their site, already donated a billion to the gankers (therefore making you a ganker by proxy) your vocal claims of opposition to the New Order are laughable at best.
To the OP: if you don't use autopilot you likely won't ever get ganked (unless you do something stupid like carry PLEX in a destroyer). Anyone that uses autopilot *deserves* to be ganked and mocked mercilessly; it's a stupid mechanic in a game that allows for nonconsensual PvP. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1787
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:31:00 -
[582] - Quote
Tilly Delnero wrote:To the OP: if you don't use autopilot you likely won't ever get ganked (unless you do something stupid like carry PLEX in a destroyer). Anyone that uses autopilot *deserves* to be ganked and mocked mercilessly; it's a stupid mechanic in a game that allows for nonconsensual PvP. anyone that is infinity ziona deserves to be mocked mercilessly |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1130
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:51:00 -
[583] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Tilly Delnero wrote:To the OP: if you don't use autopilot you likely won't ever get ganked (unless you do something stupid like carry PLEX in a destroyer). Anyone that uses autopilot *deserves* to be ganked and mocked mercilessly; it's a stupid mechanic in a game that allows for nonconsensual PvP. anyone that is infinity ziona thinks highsec is okay as is without any reasonable justification deserves to be mocked mercilessly
Fixed, don't be so restrictive of mockery. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
784
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Posted - 2013.11.13 06:22:00 -
[584] - Quote
Tilly Delnero wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:Or just do what the rest of us do.. fit some buffer and ignore them .. since their ganking model isnt sustainable against tanky ships.. costs too much Coming from the person who has, according to their site, already donated a billion to the gankers (therefore making you a ganker by proxy) your vocal claims of opposition to the New Order are laughable at best. To the OP: if you don't use autopilot you likely won't ever get ganked (unless you do something stupid like carry PLEX in a destroyer). Anyone that uses autopilot *deserves* to be ganked and mocked mercilessly; it's a stupid mechanic in a game that allows for nonconsensual PvP. So are timers but they're "necessary". That you can show up in a system to kill a pos but you're not able to until 24hrs later in case they're not online is a lot worse than choosing to autopilot a worthless ship with no cargo. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1130
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Posted - 2013.11.13 06:27:00 -
[585] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Tilly Delnero wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:Or just do what the rest of us do.. fit some buffer and ignore them .. since their ganking model isnt sustainable against tanky ships.. costs too much Coming from the person who has, according to their site, already donated a billion to the gankers (therefore making you a ganker by proxy) your vocal claims of opposition to the New Order are laughable at best. To the OP: if you don't use autopilot you likely won't ever get ganked (unless you do something stupid like carry PLEX in a destroyer). Anyone that uses autopilot *deserves* to be ganked and mocked mercilessly; it's a stupid mechanic in a game that allows for nonconsensual PvP. So are timers but they're "necessary". That you can show up in a system to kill a pos but you're not able to until 24hrs later in case they're not online is a lot worse than choosing to autopilot a worthless ship with no cargo.
Please argue for removal of timers, it won't hilariously at all, I promise. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
317
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Posted - 2013.11.13 06:46:00 -
[586] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Tilly Delnero wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:Or just do what the rest of us do.. fit some buffer and ignore them .. since their ganking model isnt sustainable against tanky ships.. costs too much Coming from the person who has, according to their site, already donated a billion to the gankers (therefore making you a ganker by proxy) your vocal claims of opposition to the New Order are laughable at best. To the OP: if you don't use autopilot you likely won't ever get ganked (unless you do something stupid like carry PLEX in a destroyer). Anyone that uses autopilot *deserves* to be ganked and mocked mercilessly; it's a stupid mechanic in a game that allows for nonconsensual PvP. So are timers but they're "necessary". That you can show up in a system to kill a pos but you're not able to until 24hrs later in case they're not online is a lot worse than choosing to autopilot a worthless ship with no cargo.
You either have timers, hitpoint spamming, or object pong.
Unless you have a suggestion that is not one of those hiding under some vague sugar mask, and is better then don't bother derailing your own thread imo.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
784
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:40:00 -
[587] - Quote
Tauranon wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Tilly Delnero wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:Or just do what the rest of us do.. fit some buffer and ignore them .. since their ganking model isnt sustainable against tanky ships.. costs too much Coming from the person who has, according to their site, already donated a billion to the gankers (therefore making you a ganker by proxy) your vocal claims of opposition to the New Order are laughable at best. To the OP: if you don't use autopilot you likely won't ever get ganked (unless you do something stupid like carry PLEX in a destroyer). Anyone that uses autopilot *deserves* to be ganked and mocked mercilessly; it's a stupid mechanic in a game that allows for nonconsensual PvP. So are timers but they're "necessary". That you can show up in a system to kill a pos but you're not able to until 24hrs later in case they're not online is a lot worse than choosing to autopilot a worthless ship with no cargo. You either have timers, hitpoint spamming, or object pong. Unless you have a suggestion that is not one of those hiding under some vague sugar mask, and is better then don't bother derailing your own thread imo. It goes to the heart of the thread. If its okay to be blapping away at someone in high because they're AFK why is not okay in null? No timers is already doable, recruit globally, its a global game. At low pop hours theres low pop so even if you have 30% non peak players they can defend against attacks against the other 30% attacking. Its not like you will have the full force off Goons attacking you in the off hours. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1788
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Posted - 2013.11.13 09:26:00 -
[588] - Quote
i'd fully expect someone to shoot my afk spaceship in nullsec. noone has ever complained about having their spaceship get shot at while they were afk in null. why would you think that was not ok? |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1788
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Posted - 2013.11.13 09:27:00 -
[589] - Quote
fyi towers and spaceships are things that are not the same. in fact i would even go as far to say they are different things. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1788
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Posted - 2013.11.13 09:28:00 -
[590] - Quote
"i don't want to put effort or manpower into doing this task, ccp make it so that someone else has to put in far more effort, isk and manpower so that i can do this thing" |
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
317
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Posted - 2013.11.13 09:30:00 -
[591] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: It goes to the heart of the thread. If its okay to be blapping away at someone in high because they're AFK why is not okay in null? No timers is already doable, recruit globally, its a global game. At low pop hours theres low pop so even if you have 30% non peak players they can defend against attacks against the other 30% attacking. Its not like you will have the full force off Goons attacking you in the off hours.
Ziona, your hangers are a structure. If you are happy with me destroying your hanger in jita 4-4 whilst your deadspace loots are on the market and scooping them, then I'm happy that you can headshot a pos whilst I sleep. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17373
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Posted - 2013.11.13 10:31:00 -
[592] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:While you can spin it that way to give an unrealistic view of the past, cost and sec loss were costly enough to keep it under control, one suicide pod was instant -5. GǪexcept, of course, that security costs have gone up, as have ship costs, so the unrealistic view of the past around here is yours.
That said, since costs are in every sense higher now than they were in the past, it does explain why things are under control now and why ganks were far more common back then.
Quote:It goes to the heart of the thread. If its okay to be blapping away at someone in high because they're AFK why is not okay in null? GǪbut it is okay in null, so your question doesn't make any sense. What kind of glue have you been sniffing to ever get the impression that shooting AFK people in null was not okay? It's a national sport out there, for crying out loud. The timers you're talking about have nothing to do with null or with being AFK. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.11.13 10:46:00 -
[593] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs. this is a stealth "buff autopilot" thread isn't it.. I really think the OP is trolling, he can't be that dumb to see whats wrong here. Unfamiliar with Infinity Ziona, I see. Yeah, he can be that dumb. We get a new one of these threads every time something comes along and upsets his applecart. Last time it was reinforcement timers, before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov. Hehe, when I first read the opening post I thought:"Hm, he's probably trolling, no veteran EVE player would spew this kind of nonsense but what the hell, let's post!", and now you're telling me he was being serious all this time? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1497
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Posted - 2013.11.13 10:56:00 -
[594] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs. this is a stealth "buff autopilot" thread isn't it.. I really think the OP is trolling, he can't be that dumb to see whats wrong here. Unfamiliar with Infinity Ziona, I see. Yeah, he can be that dumb. We get a new one of these threads every time something comes along and upsets his applecart. Last time it was reinforcement timers, before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov. Hehe, when I first read the opening post I thought:"Hm, he's probably trolling, no veteran EVE player would spew this kind of nonsense but what the hell, let's post!", and now you're telling me he was being serious all this time?
Yep. No kidding, check his post history. Either he's the most convincing and prolific troll of all time, or he actually believes all this ****. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
301
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:05:00 -
[595] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Binchiette Ambrye wrote:... Good job on totally not understanding the point i was making and turning it into something completly different..... That's all you're gonna get. Also the claim that IZ was allowed docking rights by Tribe is a lie. Unless it was another null alliance you 'solo warred', if that's what lurking afk cloaked in a lolfit t3 with a falcon alt is called. Most guys do that with a bomber or recon, get kills and dock down the road at an npc station. Can't remember the one 5 jumps from PB but i still have stuff there from my own time sneaking around there. At that time everyone in EvE was cruising over to PB to punch out Tribal Bads, IZ was probably the last person to make it there. Would really love to hear about how docking rights were forcefully obtained based on a few hauler and ratter kills, but probably just get twisted into some fitting argument or definition of efficiency or some other slimy obfuscation. TL:DR; OP is a joke and a liar. Not a troll Simple check of my contracts will clearly show I was granted docking rights.
OK. Your last two contracts were in 2013, both in Jita. One for a Rattlesnake BPC and one for a Dread Guristas Tower BPC. Before that we have a contract in 2010 November 26, also in Jita, from there contracts go back to 2008, mostly in Jita or Rens, no mention of any null systems. Did you think i wouldn't check or is there some filter i didn't apply?
Would really love to hear about how docking rights were forcefully obtained based on a few hauler and ratter kills...and i mean chat logs or mails or even a name of someone i can ask about this. For the life of me, i can't figure out why anyone would allow a neut to dock in their space when it's about 8 jumps to H-8 npc station. That's if you're referring to docking rights in PB.
So yeah, gonna need some details here.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
97
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Posted - 2013.11.13 12:31:00 -
[596] - Quote
I still think multi-boxing should be put on a leash. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.11.13 12:43:00 -
[597] - Quote
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa wrote:I still think multi-boxing should be put on a leash. You mean as in having several accounts or as in using software to run 10+ chars simultaneously? I'd agree with the latter. If you're talking about having alts, forget it. EVE is an alt game in every fibre of it's existence. |
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
97
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Posted - 2013.11.13 12:54:00 -
[598] - Quote
The latter. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1790
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Posted - 2013.11.13 12:56:00 -
[599] - Quote
I don't like alts much. But it's impossible to remove them from the game. So I use alts myself vOv |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3312
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:14:00 -
[600] - Quote
Tauranon wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: It goes to the heart of the thread. If its okay to be blapping away at someone in high because they're AFK why is not okay in null? No timers is already doable, recruit globally, its a global game. At low pop hours theres low pop so even if you have 30% non peak players they can defend against attacks against the other 30% attacking. Its not like you will have the full force off Goons attacking you in the off hours.
Ziona, your hangers are a structure. If you are happy with me destroying your hanger in jita 4-4 whilst your deadspace loots are on the market and scooping them, then I'm happy that you can headshot a pos whilst I sleep.
And that's the point. It shows how backwards infinity Ziona's thinking is. He would constantly harp about how it was somehow wrong for people to be carebearing in deep "safe" null sec (which is only "safe" because of human effort) while not complaining one slight bit about the people doing PVE in the place where most PVE is done AND while under the wholly automated protection of CONCORD.
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Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
189
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:16:00 -
[601] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: And that's the point. It shows how backwards infinity Ziona's thinking is. He would constantly harp about how it was somehow wrong for people to be carebearing in deep "safe" null sec (which is only "safe" because of human effort) while not complaining one slight bit about the people doing PVE in the place where most PVE is done AND while under the wholly automated protection of CONCORD.
Jenn aSide wrote: And that's the point. It shows how backwards infinity Ziona's thinking is.
Jenn aSide wrote:Ziona's thinking
Think I found your problem there bro... "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3313
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:22:00 -
[602] - Quote
Mythrandier wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: And that's the point. It shows how backwards infinity Ziona's thinking is. He would constantly harp about how it was somehow wrong for people to be carebearing in deep "safe" null sec (which is only "safe" because of human effort) while not complaining one slight bit about the people doing PVE in the place where most PVE is done AND while under the wholly automated protection of CONCORD.
Jenn aSide wrote: And that's the point. It shows how backwards infinity Ziona's thinking is.
Jenn aSide wrote:Ziona's thinking
Think I found your problem there bro...
I have failed.
*Takes out wakizashi and commits Seppuku, but thanks to this being EVE, wakes up in station* |
Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
105
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:22:00 -
[603] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:It goes to the heart of the thread. If its okay to be blapping away at someone in high because they're AFK why is not okay in null? No timers is already doable, recruit globally, its a global game. At low pop hours theres low pop so even if you have 30% non peak players they can defend against attacks against the other 30% attacking. Its not like you will have the full force off Goons attacking you in the off hours. This genuinely made me spit my tea all over the keyboard, thanks for the laugh! |
Casanunda
Church Of The Eternal Cosmic Confidence Trick
91
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:34:00 -
[604] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP? They've already done something about idiots in highsec, they've made it possible for other players to gank them... The fact that I am not a millionaire aristocrat with the sexual capacity of a rutting rhino is a constant niggle. - Edmund Blackadder-á |
Captain' Kirk
Orion Trade Syndicate KRYSIS.
1
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:39:00 -
[605] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken. CAN WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE IDIOTS WHO AFK CAMP ALREADY CCP? |
Kyle Yanowski
Aideron Robotics
137
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:45:00 -
[606] - Quote
I don't have any respect for HISEC gankers... as PVPers. That being said, I absolutely value their contribution to the game. No where should be "safe" in EVE Online.
Make the exodus to LOWSEC or NULLSEC and you will encounter a whole new, New Eden. Host of the High Drag Eve Online Podcast ( http://highdrag.wordpress.com). Director of Aideron Robotics.
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Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:13:00 -
[607] - Quote
Where is the thread hammer?
This thread needs to die, horribly.
Time to gank the subject matter:
I like beer? Who likes beer? One of my favorite pastimes is to whiz through the galaxy in my pod, drinkng lots of beer...
Lets start a corporation of pod heads. Our featured event could be drunkenly flooding Jita with a thousand pods and zooming around until someone is forced to wardec us. This we could ensure by bumping frieghters away from station with our pods or something equally foolish. Or we could just drunkenly crash into everyone and everything so that we can't be accused of playing favorites. We could give "podding" a whole new definition. We could even make it fluffy by claiming that we are protesting a shortage of Long Limb Eggs (article here: http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/the-hanging-long-limb/). Then Goonswarm can come in and burn Jita, claiming they are protesting the mistreatment of peaceful pod head protestors, and a general lack of Long Limb Egg Sandwiches (with bacon)...
Who is with me?
Or, we can continue whining about, well, all kinds of stuff... "It's funny the things you people think are mandatory for us, as if we don't do what we do because it's a hilarious good time in a space video game." - Johnny Marzetti
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
301
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:09:00 -
[608] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Binchiette Ambrye wrote:... Good job on totally not understanding the point i was making and turning it into something completly different..... That's all you're gonna get. Also the claim that IZ was allowed docking rights by Tribe is a lie. Unless it was another null alliance you 'solo warred', if that's what lurking afk cloaked in a lolfit t3 with a falcon alt is called. Most guys do that with a bomber or recon, get kills and dock down the road at an npc station. Can't remember the one 5 jumps from PB but i still have stuff there from my own time sneaking around there. At that time everyone in EvE was cruising over to PB to punch out Tribal Bads, IZ was probably the last person to make it there. Would really love to hear about how docking rights were forcefully obtained based on a few hauler and ratter kills, but probably just get twisted into some fitting argument or definition of efficiency or some other slimy obfuscation. TL:DR; OP is a joke and a liar. Not a troll Simple check of my contracts will clearly show I was granted docking rights. OK. Your last two contracts were in 2013, both in Jita. One for a Rattlesnake BPC and one for a Dread Guristas Tower BPC. Before that we have a contract in 2010 November 26, also in Jita, from there contracts go back to 2008, mostly in Jita or Rens, no mention of any null systems. Did you think i wouldn't check or is there some filter i didn't apply?Would really love to hear about how docking rights were forcefully obtained based on a few hauler and ratter kills...and i mean chat logs or mails or even a name of someone i can ask about this. For the life of me, i can't figure out why anyone would allow a neut to dock in their space when it's about 8 jumps to H-8 npc station. That's if you're referring to docking rights in PB. So yeah, gonna need some details here.
Bumping from a sincere desire for information.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
793
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:13:00 -
[609] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Binchiette Ambrye wrote:... Good job on totally not understanding the point i was making and turning it into something completly different..... That's all you're gonna get. Also the claim that IZ was allowed docking rights by Tribe is a lie. Unless it was another null alliance you 'solo warred', if that's what lurking afk cloaked in a lolfit t3 with a falcon alt is called. Most guys do that with a bomber or recon, get kills and dock down the road at an npc station. Can't remember the one 5 jumps from PB but i still have stuff there from my own time sneaking around there. At that time everyone in EvE was cruising over to PB to punch out Tribal Bads, IZ was probably the last person to make it there. Would really love to hear about how docking rights were forcefully obtained based on a few hauler and ratter kills, but probably just get twisted into some fitting argument or definition of efficiency or some other slimy obfuscation. TL:DR; OP is a joke and a liar. Not a troll Simple check of my contracts will clearly show I was granted docking rights. OK. Your last two contracts were in 2013, both in Jita. One for a Rattlesnake BPC and one for a Dread Guristas Tower BPC. Before that we have a contract in 2010 November 26, also in Jita, from there contracts go back to 2008, mostly in Jita or Rens, no mention of any null systems. Did you think i wouldn't check or is there some filter i didn't apply?Would really love to hear about how docking rights were forcefully obtained based on a few hauler and ratter kills...and i mean chat logs or mails or even a name of someone i can ask about this. For the life of me, i can't figure out why anyone would allow a neut to dock in their space when it's about 8 jumps to H-8 npc station. That's if you're referring to docking rights in PB. So yeah, gonna need some details here. Bumping from a sincere desire for information. Ill post a screenshot of my newbie ship in ZMA in the morning. Do believe I still have my Proteus and subs up for sale there still.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
301
|
Posted - 2013.11.14 13:22:00 -
[610] - Quote
What happened to simple check of contracts clearly showing docking rights? No, really, what happened with that? Don't bother with screenshots of anything, proof isn't hard to provide, there has to have been chat logs or an evemail from somebody to you about this. I'm straight-up calling you a liar, come back with something more concrete, and fast.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
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Casanunda
Church Of The Eternal Cosmic Confidence Trick
93
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:58:00 -
[611] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:What happened to simple check of contracts clearly showing docking rights? No, really, what happened with that? Don't bother with screenshots of anything, proof isn't hard to provide, there has to have been chat logs or an evemail from somebody to you about this. I'm straight-up calling you a liar, come back with something more concrete, and fast.
Expect more procrastination, wild claims and possible random sperg about nullsec zealots/20 minute time periods/stuff. Infinity seems to live in an alternate reality, along with Alice, the Mad Hatter and the Queen of Hearts, sometimes Dorothy and Toto visit. The fact that I am not a millionaire Gallente aristocrat with the sexual capacity of a rutting rhino is a constant niggle. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
109
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:10:00 -
[612] - Quote
Casanunda wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:What happened to simple check of contracts clearly showing docking rights? No, really, what happened with that? Don't bother with screenshots of anything, proof isn't hard to provide, there has to have been chat logs or an evemail from somebody to you about this. I'm straight-up calling you a liar, come back with something more concrete, and fast.
Expect more procrastination, wild claims and possible random sperg about nullsec zealots/20 minute time periods/stuff. Infinity seems to live in an alternate reality, along with Alice, the Mad Hatter and the Queen of Hearts, sometimes Dorothy and Toto visit.
Dorothy needed exercise, she was always getting winded. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14569
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:18:00 -
[613] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote: Dorothy needed exercise, she was always getting winded.
Dorothy also needed a map, with only one road to travel she still had to ask a mindless scarecrow for directions when she got lost.
This thread is now all about the wonderful Wizard of Oz, nice shoes and dropping houses on witches. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
110
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:37:00 -
[614] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Jythier Smith wrote: Dorothy needed exercise, she was always getting winded.
Dorothy also needed a map, with only one road to travel she still had to ask a mindless scarecrow for directions when she got lost. This thread is now all about the wonderful Wizard of Oz, nice shoes and dropping houses on witches.
So THAT'S what happened to Erotica 1.
Either that or he owned a mayonnaise factory and got nailed for *redacted*. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
798
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:20:00 -
[615] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:What happened to simple check of contracts clearly showing docking rights? No, really, what happened with that? Don't bother with screenshots of anything, proof isn't hard to provide, there has to have been chat logs or an evemail from somebody to you about this. I'm straight-up calling you a liar, come back with something more concrete, and fast.
They were private contracts. Besides you'd simply say I remote bought and contracted. I think my screenie of newb ship is better since its highly unlikely I remote bought one. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1510
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:29:00 -
[616] - Quote
Infinity Ziona returns to the thread, after having taken aproximately 18 hours to go fabricate some more evidence for us.
"A simple check of my contracts proves that I forced them to give me docking rights"
"they were private contracts"
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Chi Garu
Dos Dedos Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.11.15 06:28:00 -
[617] - Quote
Strange thread, gave up reading after a dozen pages. Anyway, I saw alot of misinformation regarding the difficulty in setting up and maintaining a ganker.
http://belligerentundesirables.com/2013/11/09/presenting-a-new-project-bu-ganking/
Bottom line is 30 days training on a trial account and 18m per gank to negate sec status loss. Enjoy. |
CETA Elitist
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.15 06:46:00 -
[618] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Mythrandier wrote:There is only one thing better than butthurt on EvE-O and that is Infinity Ziona butthurt.
In that respect this thread delivers in vast, vast quantities. I'm not butthurt. I'm annoyed that my favorite game's gameplay is turning into rubbish. Your opinion reeks of butthurt. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
798
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Posted - 2013.11.15 07:19:00 -
[619] - Quote
CETA Elitist wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Mythrandier wrote:There is only one thing better than butthurt on EvE-O and that is Infinity Ziona butthurt.
In that respect this thread delivers in vast, vast quantities. I'm not butthurt. I'm annoyed that my favorite game's gameplay is turning into rubbish. Your opinion reeks of butthurt. Expert on butthurt? |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
389
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:30:00 -
[620] - Quote
Zheng'Yi Sao wrote:I like beer? Who likes beer? One of my favorite pastimes is to whiz through the galaxy in my pod, drinking lots of beer... Too much beer and you'll definitely be "whizzing" through the galaxy...
Off-topic, I've been slowly enjoying Gumballhead and Zombie Dust beers out of Three Floyds in Munster, Indiana. |
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CETA Elitist
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:36:00 -
[621] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:CETA Elitist wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Mythrandier wrote:There is only one thing better than butthurt on EvE-O and that is Infinity Ziona butthurt.
In that respect this thread delivers in vast, vast quantities. I'm not butthurt. I'm annoyed that my favorite game's gameplay is turning into rubbish. Your opinion reeks of butthurt. Expert on butthurt? Is that a prerequisite to disagreeing with you?
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Anarkia Evangel
Glass Archor
1
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:03:00 -
[622] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Anyone who wants to travel in safety. Also, since you noticed it being locked a lot while travelling, you're obviously sitting in front of the computer already, so cloaking to avoid those locks isn't asking much. [-quote] Yes. Chances are that they aren't all that many to begin with. Any station you visit with any regularity is worth the (minute) effort it takes to set up an insta GÇö doubly so if it's in a recently well-populated system. Sure, if it's a particularly empty system, you probably won't since no-one is around to go after you, but even then, if you come there often enoughGǪ [-quote] He's being solution-oriented and pragmatic. None of what he said is particularly unrealistic GÇö it just require the tiniest amount of planning and effort. So maybe that's your complaint? He's not actually lazy? Okay the original point I was making was industrial ships are broke. Flying T1 in empire is a death trap, considering the lengths you have to go to to avoid trouble with a T2 industry makes my point well. And you are correct I donGÇÖt afk travel with my T2, or any industrial ship, that would be silly. And my complaint was he missed the point of my post.
Johnny Marzetti wrote:[-quote] This is why you all need to be exploded. This right here. Anyone who flies a blockade runner in null has literally hundreds of bookmarks, or will after a few losses. You are soft and squishy, you are fat on CONCORD's protection.
But thatGÇÖs the thing, Null does not equal High sec. The rules and game mechanicals are different and need to be balanced with that in mind. So IGÇÖm guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ travel around in a T1 industrial?
If I could I would use a JF or a carrier all the time, maybe a jump bridge? but you canGÇÖt in empire, you have to live by its rules, you have to use the trade routes, you canGÇÖt scan gates as you move or use a scout as there are 10s of people at gates, who friendly and whoGÇÖs hostile there is no way of really knowing. ItGÇÖs pretty easy to know in Null. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
307
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Posted - 2013.11.15 23:20:00 -
[623] - Quote
Anarkia Evangel wrote:... So IGÇÖm guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ travel around in a T1 industrial?
... who friendly and whoGÇÖs hostile there is no way of really knowing. ItGÇÖs pretty easy to know in Null.
Nobody can fly safely anywhere...that mechanic is universal. The second bit is kind of a null joke, when you go to empire space for some reason; "Aw hell empire gives me the fidgets, it's full of neuts, man."
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Subject 4927
Border Kingdom
3
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Posted - 2013.11.16 02:45:00 -
[624] - Quote
No place is safe, that's the way it should be. Being AFK and expecting to not get your stuff blown up (when un docked) is ludacris.
Going AFK? Dock.
Problem. Solved.
Or or or, tank your ****. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
698
|
Posted - 2013.11.16 02:49:00 -
[625] - Quote
Subject 4927 wrote:No place is safe, that's the way it should be. Being AFK and expecting to not get your stuff blown up (when un docked) is ludacris.
Going AFK? Dock.
Problem. Solved.
Or or or, tank your ****.
People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3378
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Posted - 2013.11.16 03:34:00 -
[626] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:Subject 4927 wrote:No place is safe, that's the way it should be. Being AFK and expecting to not get your stuff blown up (when un docked) is ludacris.
Going AFK? Dock.
Problem. Solved.
Or or or, tank your ****. People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4.
Those market traders are flying space ships and expecting to be safe. Those market traders are risking loss. Those market traders don't come to the forums and beg CCP for more "market EHP" because someone beat them. In other words, they are bing adults about it, so there is no reason to demand they do anything. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1521
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Posted - 2013.11.16 03:42:00 -
[627] - Quote
Quote:Those market traders don't come to the forums and beg CCP for more "market EHP" because someone beat them.
Not entirely true there Jenn. I happen to recall at least 3 threadnaughts in a row earlier in the year, begging for Margin Trading to be removed from the game.
Your point still stands if you ask me, however. Mostly because any whining on the part of the "traders" playstyle can be chalked up to the kind of stupid people that are present in every playstyle, game, and group of players. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
799
|
Posted - 2013.11.16 04:21:00 -
[628] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Anarkia Evangel wrote:... So IGÇÖm guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ travel around in a T1 industrial?
... who friendly and whoGÇÖs hostile there is no way of really knowing. ItGÇÖs pretty easy to know in Null. Nobody can fly safely anywhere...that mechanic is universal. The second bit is kind of a null joke, when you go to empire space for some reason; "Aw hell empire gives me the fidgets, it's full of neuts, man." Wrong (again). Press F10, select cynosaural fields, first put on sunglasses. Don't even need to travel in null, POS to POS safety. |
Subject 4927
Border Kingdom
3
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Posted - 2013.11.16 04:42:00 -
[629] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:Subject 4927 wrote:No place is safe, that's the way it should be. Being AFK and expecting to not get your stuff blown up (when un docked) is ludacris.
Going AFK? Dock.
Problem. Solved.
Or or or, tank your ****. People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4.
Nobody cares about you market people.
It's the Miners and the other Bears who fly with no sense of danger on the otherside of the gate. This needs to be changed. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1818
|
Posted - 2013.11.16 05:05:00 -
[630] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: Wrong (again). Press F10, select cynosaural fields, first put on sunglasses. Don't even need to travel in null, POS to POS safety.
confirming safe. do not scout. |
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
700
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Posted - 2013.11.16 05:11:00 -
[631] - Quote
Subject 4927 wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Subject 4927 wrote:No place is safe, that's the way it should be. Being AFK and expecting to not get your stuff blown up (when un docked) is ludacris.
Going AFK? Dock.
Problem. Solved.
Or or or, tank your ****. People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4. Nobody cares about you market people. It's the Miners and the other Bears who fly with no sense of danger on the otherside of the gate. This needs to be changed.
Doesn't their hubris just make you rage? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |
Chin MonWang
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.11.16 05:31:00 -
[632] - Quote
[quote=Infinity Ziona]
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
Infinity Ziona is talking real sense here. Especially the "risk taking" which I associate with intelligent entertainment(!!!!) seems seriously missing here...both in high-sec as in low-sec (zombies waiting there for hours & hours & hours after another...for looting some ship 5 vs 1...what kind of "intelligent mind-set does such dull/boring behaviour of gankers show us(??) , so, good comment Ziona
(lately I like reading the forums more than actually logging in and playing EVE...far more real entertaining action on the forums than in EVE itself)
+1
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Chin MonWang
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.11.16 05:49:00 -
[633] - Quote
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
Actually Ziona, let me lay some logic on you... This is a sandbox game that is usually regarded as being "cold and harsh." Now... Which is more harsh? A low skill, easy kill... Or a fight fought heroically... Hmmmm? Or let me put it in plainly... There is no bushido in space.
...actually I was looking for the word "entertaining" in yr above comment, seems to be the missing word, regrettably. (maybe do not underestimate the word "entertainment" the way you seem to do, since entertainment is the core reason for almost all new players to come in and get enthousiastic (relates to video-games in general)
But then again, if players like you are a 100% satisfied just by "cold"+ "harsh" fullfillment alone...well, then I of course leave you yr opinion.
I could even suggest other "key words, such as "Suspense" (not knowing all beforehand = real SciFi)) & "bravery" (=real fighting-mentality going in for the real battles...even when out numbered)
-1
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8578
|
Posted - 2013.11.16 06:12:00 -
[634] - Quote
Anarkia Evangel wrote:Tippia wrote:Anyone who wants to travel in safety. Also, since you noticed it being locked a lot while travelling, you're obviously sitting in front of the computer already, so cloaking to avoid those locks isn't asking much. [-quote] Yes. Chances are that they aren't all that many to begin with. Any station you visit with any regularity is worth the (minute) effort it takes to set up an insta GÇö doubly so if it's in a recently well-populated system. Sure, if it's a particularly empty system, you probably won't since no-one is around to go after you, but even then, if you come there often enoughGǪ [-quote] He's being solution-oriented and pragmatic. None of what he said is particularly unrealistic GÇö it just require the tiniest amount of planning and effort. So maybe that's your complaint? He's not actually lazy? Okay the original point I was making was industrial ships are broke. Flying T1 in empire is a death trap, considering the lengths you have to go to to avoid trouble with a T2 industry makes my point well. And you are correct I donGÇÖt afk travel with my T2, or any industrial ship, that would be silly. And my complaint was he missed the point of my post. Johnny Marzetti wrote:[-quote] This is why you all need to be exploded. This right here. Anyone who flies a blockade runner in null has literally hundreds of bookmarks, or will after a few losses. You are soft and squishy, you are fat on CONCORD's protection.
But thatGÇÖs the thing, Null does not equal High sec. The rules and game mechanicals are different and need to be balanced with that in mind. So IGÇÖm guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ travel around in a T1 industrial? If I could I would use a JF or a carrier all the time, maybe a jump bridge? but you canGÇÖt in empire, you have to live by its rules, you have to use the trade routes, you canGÇÖt scan gates as you move or use a scout as there are 10s of people at gates, who friendly and whoGÇÖs hostile there is no way of really knowing. ItGÇÖs pretty easy to know in Null.
T1 haulers are perfectly fine and you dont need hundreds of bookmarks in high sec as there are no bubbles in high sec. Yoh only need one bookmark in jita and hit cloak on your blocade runner. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1135
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Posted - 2013.11.16 06:39:00 -
[635] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Anarkia Evangel wrote:... So IGÇÖm guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ travel around in a T1 industrial?
... who friendly and whoGÇÖs hostile there is no way of really knowing. ItGÇÖs pretty easy to know in Null. Nobody can fly safely anywhere...that mechanic is universal. The second bit is kind of a null joke, when you go to empire space for some reason; "Aw hell empire gives me the fidgets, it's full of neuts, man." Wrong (again). Press F10, select cynosaural fields, first put on sunglasses. Don't even need to travel in null, POS to POS safety.
Someone has never flown a capital. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
800
|
Posted - 2013.11.16 06:51:00 -
[636] - Quote
Chin MonWang wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
Actually Ziona, let me lay some logic on you... This is a sandbox game that is usually regarded as being "cold and harsh." Now... Which is more harsh? A low skill, easy kill... Or a fight fought heroically... Hmmmm? Or let me put it in plainly... There is no bushido in space. ...actually I was looking for the word "entertaining" in yr above comment, seems to be the missing word, regrettably. (maybe do not underestimate the word "entertainment" the way you seem to do, since entertainment is the core reason for almost all new players to come in and get enthousiastic (relates to video-games in general) But then again, if players like you are a 100% satisfied just by "cold"+ "harsh" fullfillment alone...well, then I of course leave you yr opinion. I could even suggest other "key words, such as "Suspense" (not knowing all beforehand = real SciFi)) & "bravery" (=real fighting-mentality going in for the real battles...even when out numbered) -1 This. Suicide ganking can hardly be considered anything but boring these days. The low risk and certainty of the kill is about as exciting as ratting 0.9 belts. If that's not enough to dissuade me from doing it the sheer lameness of it is.
While I hate to call it PvP since it's really not given the victim generally is in a pod before he can react if you did it would be the least skillful PvP in EvE. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8579
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Posted - 2013.11.16 06:58:00 -
[637] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Chin MonWang wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.
Actually Ziona, let me lay some logic on you... This is a sandbox game that is usually regarded as being "cold and harsh." Now... Which is more harsh? A low skill, easy kill... Or a fight fought heroically... Hmmmm? Or let me put it in plainly... There is no bushido in space. ...actually I was looking for the word "entertaining" in yr above comment, seems to be the missing word, regrettably. (maybe do not underestimate the word "entertainment" the way you seem to do, since entertainment is the core reason for almost all new players to come in and get enthousiastic (relates to video-games in general) But then again, if players like you are a 100% satisfied just by "cold"+ "harsh" fullfillment alone...well, then I of course leave you yr opinion. I could even suggest other "key words, such as "Suspense" (not knowing all beforehand = real SciFi)) & "bravery" (=real fighting-mentality going in for the real battles...even when out numbered) -1 This. Suicide ganking can hardly be considered anything but boring these days. The low risk and certainty of the kill is about as exciting as ratting 0.9 belts. If that's not enough to dissuade me from doing it the sheer lameness of it is. While I hate to call it PvP since it's really not given the victim generally is in a pod before he can react if you did it would be the least skillful PvP in EvE.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
308
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Posted - 2013.11.16 07:03:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Anarkia Evangel wrote:... So IGÇÖm guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly GÇÿsafelyGÇÖ travel around in a T1 industrial?
... who friendly and whoGÇÖs hostile there is no way of really knowing. ItGÇÖs pretty easy to know in Null. Nobody can fly safely anywhere...that mechanic is universal. The second bit is kind of a null joke, when you go to empire space for some reason; "Aw hell empire gives me the fidgets, it's full of neuts, man." Wrong (again). Press F10, select cynosaural fields, first put on sunglasses. Don't even need to travel in null, POS to POS safety.
You got demoted to joke status with that "forced docking rights" lie, what the hell you doing in this thread? I'm here for laughs or information, your sad masochism provides neither.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1909
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Posted - 2013.11.16 07:48:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:the victim generally is in a pod before he can react If I'm suicide ganking miners, I don't use a point or a prop mod. How good do a miner's reflexes have to be to escape a catalyst slow boating towards them and aggressing them without a point? If they weren't AFK, they would align and warp as soon as they are yellow boxed. Most of them aren't paying attention though, and then they deserve to be ganked. You can also get some funny reactions when you put a bounty on them and add them to your watchlist.
Oh god. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4669
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Posted - 2013.11.16 08:50:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Those market traders don't come to the forums and beg CCP for more "market EHP" because someone beat them. Not entirely true there Jenn. I happen to recall at least 3 threadnaughts in a row earlier in the year, begging for Margin Trading to be removed from the game.
Margin trading scam only gets very young traders.
Don't mix them with the veteran ones, who play PvP (in the markets) every day, with no clone, no insurance but with kill mails (those enraged mails you get from others you just butchered in a market )
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1620
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Posted - 2013.11.16 08:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Those market traders don't come to the forums and beg CCP for more "market EHP" because someone beat them. Not entirely true there Jenn. I happen to recall at least 3 threadnaughts in a row earlier in the year, begging for Margin Trading to be removed from the game. Your point still stands if you ask me, however. Mostly because any whining on the part of the "traders" playstyle can be chalked up to the kind of stupid people that are present in every playstyle, game, and group of players.
It's not the market traders that begged for margin trading to be removed , it's a damn good skill for them , it's the guys who fall to margin trading scams that ask for it's removal.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Those market traders don't come to the forums and beg CCP for more "market EHP" because someone beat them. Not entirely true there Jenn. I happen to recall at least 3 threadnaughts in a row earlier in the year, begging for Margin Trading to be removed from the game. Margin trading scam only gets very young traders.Don't mix them with the veteran ones, who play PvP (in the markets) every day, with no clone, no insurance but with kill mails (those enraged mails you get from others you just butchered in a market )
Most of the times it's not even young traders , it's people who have totally no understanding of the markets or how to read the history graphs and think 'hey there's an easy way to make billions ' without even finding it odd that the trade hubs are filled to the roof with traders 23/7 grinding 0.01 iskies yet none of those traders spotted the 'easy B to be made' .
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4671
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:11:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote: People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4.
It might sound odd for you, but if one trader gains billions, it's because somebody else lost those billions.
That is, being in a station or in space is irrelevant, actually a trader can lose in a day well beyond the value of a pair of fitted battleships.
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1712
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:13:00 -
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High-end market play is the equivalent risk of multi-boxing titans.
I've personally lost a titan's worth of ISK from bad calls throughout my career, though made far more from good ones. I've lost a supercarrier's worth from one bad call alone.
I'll also add that i think trading in Eve is a little too easy and stable, and would have no objections to scaled hisec transaction taxes. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
335
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:27:00 -
[644] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote: People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4.
It might sound odd for you, but if one trader gains billions, it's because somebody else lost those billions. That is, being in a station or in space is irrelevant, actually a trader can lose in a day well beyond the value of a pair of fitted battleships.
The announcement that the LP store would have mining mindlinks probably destroyed someones position. IMO its CCP that is best at burning traders. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4671
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:31:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:High-end market play is the equivalent risk of multi-boxing titans.
I've personally lost a titan's worth of ISK from bad calls throughout my career, though made far more from good ones. I've lost a supercarrier's worth from one bad call alone.
I'll also add that i think trading in Eve is a little too easy and stable, and would have no objections to scaled hisec transaction taxes.
It's not taxes that make a market fast and fun to trade.
I had the pleausure (and the pain, as the backend often died) of playing the first days Guild Wars 2 markets. 1.5 millions participants create a market that is completely comparable to a RL market, price swings fluidly and all the time.
No 20 minutes waits to see somebody setup a new order, in there I could put a buy order below 5-6 other buy orders and the fluidity would make my order get taken after 1 minute tops.
Of course that game has markets that can't really be compared to EvE's (much more) player created markets but the feeling was very good. It also came with high taxes, but the fun was in i.e. predicting afternoon gold value in the morning and so on. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4671
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:35:00 -
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flakeys wrote: Most of the times it's not even young traders , it's people who have totally no understanding of the markets or how to read the history graphs and think 'hey there's an easy way to make billions ' without even finding it odd that the trade hubs are filled to the roof with traders 23/7 grinding 0.01 iskies yet none of those traders spotted the 'easy B to be made' .
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Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
0
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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:06:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: This. Suicide ganking can hardly be considered anything but boring these days. The low risk and certainty of the kill is about as exciting as ratting 0.9 belts. If that's not enough to dissuade me from doing it the sheer lameness of it is.
While I hate to call it PvP since it's really not given the victim generally is in a pod before he can react if you did it would be the least skillful PvP in EvE.
You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1521
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Posted - 2013.11.16 13:26:00 -
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Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: This. Suicide ganking can hardly be considered anything but boring these days. The low risk and certainty of the kill is about as exciting as ratting 0.9 belts. If that's not enough to dissuade me from doing it the sheer lameness of it is.
While I hate to call it PvP since it's really not given the victim generally is in a pod before he can react if you did it would be the least skillful PvP in EvE.
You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.
Heck, you could put gankers a step above IZ. We don't sneak around with cloaking devices. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
800
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:24:00 -
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Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: This. Suicide ganking can hardly be considered anything but boring these days. The low risk and certainty of the kill is about as exciting as ratting 0.9 belts. If that's not enough to dissuade me from doing it the sheer lameness of it is.
While I hate to call it PvP since it's really not given the victim generally is in a pod before he can react if you did it would be the least skillful PvP in EvE.
You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill. Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me. That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8583
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:56:00 -
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We risk freighters and are open to attack from everyone with our -10 status as well as having god knows how many killrights on us plus we are forever wardecked. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14575
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:57:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me.
That's your choice, you choose to play in null with all of its inherent risks, and you choose to run the sites and shoot people who live there.
Quote:That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind? What game are you playing? Most suicide gankers are -10, as a result of the way they choose to play, therefore they're engageable by anybody in highsec without Concord even blinking. They still have to undock to gank and travel, so there is opportunity to engage them. While they can repair their sec status, there's generally no point when CCP give us 3 character slots. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
308
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:57:00 -
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As i mentioned before, Tribal Band was a bunch of meatshields in space people still don't want, this attracted people looking for easy hits. Then you turned up and zapped some bads and some :shobon: ... In a T3 and a falcon alt.
Now about that forcing docking rights poop you tried to slide into our salad, i'm finding it hard to understand how you can keep appearing in this thread with that nappy overflowing so bad and still try to give people pointers on style.
Edit: i just knew you'd drop some dubious screencap, the only date i can see there is 29 October, loooooong after Tribe left, even dissolved i think. You're terrible and should feel terrible. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
0
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Posted - 2013.11.16 16:47:00 -
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Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.
Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me. That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind?
Yeah.. it is such a huge risk to fly around in your cloaky proteus which needs like 10 seconds to kill those oracles.. 10 long seconds where your victim can scream for help in whatever chat he is just sitting in, then the ppl willing to help have to jump into a useful ship, undock, warp to your victim, lock you and drop a bubble on you.
Hell even if they already are in space you are long gone again or cloaked up safely and in warp already again...... I do not say that it is not a valid tactic... but you can hardly call yourself a brave PvPer doing that.......
edit: also.... someone already mentioned before that you claim that high sec is more dangerous than 0.0..... in your old topics you allways claim that people in 0.0 are totally risk averse and dock up as soon as a neutral enters local, yet you claim when you enter local as a neutral you take a huge risk of loosing your cloaky ships..... this clearly shows that everytime you speak up you try to twist facts in order to make you look good, but you do not realise at all that all you do with your posting is making yourself look like a total fool. |
CETA Elitist
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.11.16 16:58:00 -
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if it makes you feel better OP i afk in .5 systems all the time in my rattlesnake and nothing ever happens to me.
I just choose when to and when not to afk. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
800
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Posted - 2013.11.16 17:01:00 -
[655] - Quote
Jessica Alp wrote:Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.
Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me. That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind? Yeah.. it is such a huge risk to fly around in your cloaky proteus which needs like 10 seconds to kill those oracles.. 10 long seconds where your victim can scream for help in whatever chat he is just sitting in, then the ppl willing to help have to jump into a useful ship, undock, warp to your victim, lock you and drop a bubble on you. Hell even if they already are in space you are long gone again or cloaked up safely and in warp already again...... I do not say that it is not a valid tactic... but you can hardly call yourself a brave PvPer doing that....... Yeah because you can't brick tank an oracle or have a cloaky t3 or fit a cyno or any other number of tricks to catch a Proteus in your hub system. And the nightmare, stabber and Domi I guess died in 10 seconds too and can't beat a cloaky Proteus. |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
0
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Posted - 2013.11.16 17:10:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Jessica Alp wrote:Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.
Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me. That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind? Yeah.. it is such a huge risk to fly around in your cloaky proteus which needs like 10 seconds to kill those oracles.. 10 long seconds where your victim can scream for help in whatever chat he is just sitting in, then the ppl willing to help have to jump into a useful ship, undock, warp to your victim, lock you and drop a bubble on you. Hell even if they already are in space you are long gone again or cloaked up safely and in warp already again...... I do not say that it is not a valid tactic... but you can hardly call yourself a brave PvPer doing that....... Yeah because you can't brick tank an oracle or have a cloaky t3 or fit a cyno or any other number of tricks to catch a Proteus in your hub system. And the nightmare, stabber and Domi I guess died in 10 seconds too and can't beat a cloaky Proteus.
brick tank an oracle.. hahahahahaha..... you clearly are the expert of eve ships......
and sure..... ppl sit around all day to setup traps for some random solo roamer.... suuuuuuuureeeeee......
A ratting Nightmare can not beat a proteus... ever..... unless the proteus pilot is really dumb.... A stabber vs proteus... what a challenge m8... you are a god amongst pvpers..... a dominix huh... do not see any dead dominix on your kb but hey.. nice try.....
yet another edit....... yes people can setup traps or camp gates fit cynos on their ratting ships and so on.. but guess what.. that happens pretty much as often as high seccers decide to do something against suicide gankers....... also you fail to explain how they are supposed to do anything like that while being docked up, since they do not ever undock with neutrals in the system (your claim not mine). |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
800
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Posted - 2013.11.16 17:21:00 -
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Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Jessica Alp wrote:Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.
Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me. That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind? Yeah.. it is such a huge risk to fly around in your cloaky proteus which needs like 10 seconds to kill those oracles.. 10 long seconds where your victim can scream for help in whatever chat he is just sitting in, then the ppl willing to help have to jump into a useful ship, undock, warp to your victim, lock you and drop a bubble on you. Hell even if they already are in space you are long gone again or cloaked up safely and in warp already again...... I do not say that it is not a valid tactic... but you can hardly call yourself a brave PvPer doing that....... Yeah because you can't brick tank an oracle or have a cloaky t3 or fit a cyno or any other number of tricks to catch a Proteus in your hub system. And the nightmare, stabber and Domi I guess died in 10 seconds too and can't beat a cloaky Proteus. brick tank an oracle.. hahahahahaha..... you clearly are the expert of eve ships...... and sure..... ppl sit around all day to setup traps for some random solo roamer.... suuuuuuuureeeeee...... A ratting Nightmare can not beat a proteus... ever..... unless the proteus pilot is really dumb.... A stabber vs proteus... what a challenge m8... you are a god amongst pvpers..... a dominix huh... do not see any dead dominix on your kb but hey.. nice try..... yet another edit....... yes people can setup traps or camp gates fit cynos on their ratting ships and so on.. but guess what.. that happens pretty much as often as high seccers decide to do something against suicide gankers....... Yes brick tank an Oracle.
2 1600 Steel Plates 1 Ken T2 1 Thermal T2 1 DCU II 1 EANM T2 3 Trimarks I's
= 80k EHP, with 80's to Ken / Thermal so more like 110k.
Fit scram, webs, med neuts.
Have all the time in the world to keep me their while their friends come help.
Stabber vs Proteus, Stabber wins. I had blasters, no web, no drones, an AB. There shouldn't have been any way for me to touch that Stabber.
Dominix is on there, it was a Test Dommi.
The point is there are many ways to kill a solo person hunting your members in a hub system, especially when they don't move on, given I killed so many of course they werent' going to just leave me alone lol.
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Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
0
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Posted - 2013.11.16 17:37:00 -
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So if there is an oracle sitting in a belt not ever firing a single shot and showing not a single gun fitted (which you could easily check since you can just sit there cloaked for hours keeping range to him to check) is not a completly obvious trap is it?
your KB stats (at least on eve-kill) are still not showing a single dominix kill in 2013........ the only BS kill i see there is the nightmare... but i guess the only kill you claim that could actually have been a challenge not being there is just a coincidence right? |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
0
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Posted - 2013.11.16 17:41:00 -
[659] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Stabber vs Proteus, Stabber wins. I had blasters, no web, no drones, an AB. There shouldn't have been any way for me to touch that Stabber.
Because medium blasters with "Null" loaded can not hit a stabber pointing you right???? |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
801
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Posted - 2013.11.16 18:06:00 -
[660] - Quote
Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
Stabber vs Proteus, Stabber wins. I had blasters, no web, no drones, an AB. There shouldn't have been any way for me to touch that Stabber.
Because medium blasters with "Null" loaded can not hit a stabber pointing you right???? LMAO. Stick to ganking in highsec seriously. No, a Proteus with medium blasters, with null loaded can not hit a stabber with a point. Unless the Stabber maybe decided to sit still at 12 to 15k for it :) |
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1914
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Posted - 2013.11.16 18:13:00 -
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Don't you use TEs? Oh god. |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
0
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Posted - 2013.11.16 18:30:00 -
[662] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Don't you use TEs?
Zionas shield Proteus fit has 2 TEs ;)
And with that even with you silly lame as covert rig you get to 7.5km optimal and 12km falloff (without implants) which is enough to hit a stabber at any range it could tackle you and tracking is not an issue with medium neutrons as well on that range.... if the stabber gets closer you easily can apply your faction scram on it, so again tracking will not be an issue....
Please Ziona... more twisted "facts".... |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
801
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Posted - 2013.11.16 18:52:00 -
[663] - Quote
Jessica Alp wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Don't you use TEs? Zionas shield Proteus fit has 2 TEs ;) And with that even with you silly lame as covert rig you get to 7.5km optimal and 12km falloff (without implants) which is enough to hit a stabber at any range it could tackle you and tracking is not an issue with medium neutrons as well on that range.... if the stabber gets closer you easily can apply your faction scram on it, so again tracking will not be an issue.... Please Ziona... more twisted "facts".... You realise that he can point me to around 30k OH. He can overheat his point for over 2 minutes. Even if he's stupid and doesn't OH when I hit him for a measly 20 to 50 dps, all to half of which is going to be negated by his shield recharge, it would take me about 5 minutes to 10 minutes to kill him lol.
Lets be realistic, any Proteus trying to kill a Stabber out to 30k with med guns in an alliance hub system is a dead Proteus. |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
0
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:09:00 -
[664] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Jessica Alp wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Don't you use TEs? Zionas shield Proteus fit has 2 TEs ;) And with that even with you silly lame as covert rig you get to 7.5km optimal and 12km falloff (without implants) which is enough to hit a stabber at any range it could tackle you and tracking is not an issue with medium neutrons as well on that range.... if the stabber gets closer you easily can apply your faction scram on it, so again tracking will not be an issue.... Please Ziona... more twisted "facts".... You realise that he can point me to around 30k OH. He can overheat his point for over 2 minutes. Even if he's stupid and doesn't OH when I hit him for a measly 20 to 50 dps, all to half of which is going to be negated by his shield recharge, it would take me about 5 minutes to 10 minutes to kill him lol. Lets be realistic, any Proteus trying to kill a Stabber out to 30k with med guns in an alliance hub system is a dead Proteus.
Interesting how we get from not being able to hit unless he is sitting still at 12 km to being able to hit him at 28.8km. Chances that he will orbit you at the perfect max range of an overheated t2 disruptor are quite slim.. actually if he would do that he would be pretty silly since you could easily slip out of his point range then. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1135
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:10:00 -
[665] - Quote
You have a bad Proteus fit. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
649
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:12:00 -
[666] - Quote
I agree, we should do something about the idiots in Highsec. Mostly the ones who mine all day and come to the forums to cry when someone fills their hull with Void S. |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
0
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:25:00 -
[667] - Quote
Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.
If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:
You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
801
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:48:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:You have a bad Proteus fit. You have ZERO solo kills. Your opinion is not relevant at all.
Jessica Alp wrote:Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.
If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:
You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position. I have tried to be polite with you but you're one of those people that refuse to be wrong. In this instance, something which you most definitely are. You're making yourself look foolish. |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:55:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:La Nariz wrote:You have a bad Proteus fit. You have ZERO solo kills. Your opinion is not relevant at all. Jessica Alp wrote:Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.
If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:
You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position. I have tried to be polite with you but you're one of those people that refuse to be wrong. In this instance, something which you most definitely are. You're making yourself look foolish.
Since we all know your twisted logic i guess wrong really means right. And you thinking i am the one who looks foolish is yet another example of your inability to think like a sane person.
edit: if there is anything foolish to see from my side here it is that i actually even bother discussing with you, since over and over again you prove that it is more reasonable to talk to a wall. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:04:00 -
[670] - Quote
Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:La Nariz wrote:You have a bad Proteus fit. You have ZERO solo kills. Your opinion is not relevant at all. Jessica Alp wrote:Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.
If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:
You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position. I have tried to be polite with you but you're one of those people that refuse to be wrong. In this instance, something which you most definitely are. You're making yourself look foolish. Since we all know your twisted logic i guess wrong really means right. And you thinking i am the one who looks foolish is yet another example of your inability to think like a sane person. edit: if there is anything foolish to see from my side here it is that i actually even bother discussing with you, since over and over again you prove that it is more reasonable to talk to a wall. 6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.
How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:12:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: 6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.
How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs
At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:14:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:[ 6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.
How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs
a) 7.5k optimal + 12km falloff b) stabber point has 28.8km max range and will be a few km closer since you can shake off the point if the would be at exactly that range c) if you fit your proteus properly your 12km falloff turns into 18km falloff (again without implants) and you have 50 m-¦ drone bay and 1 extra turret.
But you fit your proteus to kill ratters.. not to engage into proper pvp... same thing as ppl ganking ships in high sec you complain about.... just because you do it in 0.0 it does not require more skill. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:18:00 -
[673] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: 6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.
How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs
At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp. Realistically, the Stabber can sit at 20k and suck up the 20 dps till his friends arrive since they're in system. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8586
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:19:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: 6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.
How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs
At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp. Realistically, the Stabber can sit at 20k and suck up the 20 dps till his friends arrive since they're in system.
You said 30. This is now the second time you have changed this engagement. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:22:00 -
[675] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: 6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.
How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs
At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp. Realistically, the Stabber can sit at 20k and suck up the 20 dps till his friends arrive since they're in system.
at 20km even with your ****** fitting you are looking at 200dps not 20... at 30km he can not point you... |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:26:00 -
[676] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: 6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.
How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs
At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp. Realistically, the Stabber can sit at 20k and suck up the 20 dps till his friends arrive since they're in system. You said 30. This is now the second time you have changed this engagement. 20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.
What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.
Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.
The argument is completely spastic. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
801
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:27:00 -
[677] - Quote
Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: 6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.
How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs
At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp. Realistically, the Stabber can sit at 20k and suck up the 20 dps till his friends arrive since they're in system. at 20km even with your ****** fitting you are looking at 200dps not 20... at 30km he can not point you... You have no idea what you're talking about lol. |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
1
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:31:00 -
[678] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: 20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.
What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.
Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.
The argument is completely spastic.
20k and 30k makes a huge difference... and if he decides the damage is too much at 20k and goes to 30 you simply just can warp off..
And again.. with a proper fitting and not a fitting that only surves the purpose to kill PvE ships (just like suiciding ships) you have a) by far more range b) by far more dps c) drones on your proteus. If you really have such a hard time killing a stabber in your blaster proteus it just proves how terrible your fitting is, for anyhitng other than sneaking up on ratters. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:33:00 -
[679] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:
20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.
What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.
Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.
The argument is completely spastic.
And to think you were celebrating the end of freighter ganking when crimewatch was brought about as nobody could possibly be willing to put their freighter at risk under the new system. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
To Be Me
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:36:00 -
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op was afk mining in a noob tank little barge op was ganked and lost his noob barge ??? better go to the forums and complain about the game mechanics
No, no its not his fault, he only got ganked because of game mechanics, not his fault guys.. dont tear his heart apart saying it was his fault cause clearly its the game mechanics that are bad and wrong. |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:43:00 -
[681] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.
What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.
Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.
The argument is completely spastic.
And to think you were celebrating the end of freighter ganking when crimewatch was brought about as nobody could possibly be willing to put their freighter at risk under the new system. I took time off, wasn't around when crimewatch was brought about... |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:47:00 -
[682] - Quote
To Be Me wrote:op was afk mining in a noob tank little barge op was ganked and lost his noob barge ??? better go to the forums and complain about the game mechanics
No, no its not his fault, he only got ganked because of game mechanics, not his fault guys.. dont tear his heart apart saying it was his fault cause clearly its the game mechanics that are bad and wrong. Last time I mined was in 2003. Bye.
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:57:00 -
[683] - Quote
Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: 20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.
What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.
Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.
The argument is completely spastic.
20k and 30k makes a huge difference... and if he decides the damage is too much at 20k and goes to 30 you simply just can warp off.. And again.. with a proper fitting and not a fitting that only surves the purpose to kill PvE ships (just like suiciding ships) you have a) by far more range b) by far more dps c) drones on your proteus. If you really have such a hard time killing a stabber in your blaster proteus it just proves how terrible your fitting is, for anyhitng other than sneaking up on ratters. You really are not getting it are you? The fit he had was 28k ehp buffer. Now I just recreated his fit and my fit and used the dps chart in EFT and its telling me while he's orbiting my Proteus does 50 dps. Lets say EFT is entirely wrong and it's actually doing 50% of its damage, that's 165 dps. With a 28k buffer it will take me 3 minutes to kill him. That's about 2:25 seconds too long.
As for proper PvP fits, the fit I used got me 22 kills, including a Dominix, a Nightmare and a bunch of Oracles. As far as I'm concerned, I put 2.5 billion on the line, in null sec and gave the people I was hunting the opportunity to attack me.
You on the other hand, sit in high sec, with a cheap destroyer, and gank unsuspecting victims who cannot attack you until they're in a pod.
In short, you suck. I don't
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Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:58:00 -
[684] - Quote
well.. i guess i was to fast there.... |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
2
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:03:00 -
[685] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:
As for proper PvP fits, the fit I used got me 22 kills, including a Dominix, a Nightmare and a bunch of Oracles. As far as I'm concerned, I put 2.5 billion on the line, in null sec and gave the people I was hunting the opportunity to attack me.
You on the other hand, sit in high sec, with a cheap destroyer, and gank unsuspecting victims who cannot attack you until they're in a pod.
In short, you suck. I don't
Oracles, some of them with not even a single tanking module and less than 10k EHP, kinda like a max yield retriever if you ask me, sure takes a lot of skill to kill that in your proteus, yet suicide gankers have no skill, but you are such a pro...
again.. the nighmare was PVE fitted with tachyons.. also no challenge for a proteus at all.. you still failed to show me where that dominix kill is supposed to be cause i can find all those other kills just not that one... very strange....
And once again.... just because your proteus can kill 10k EHP oracles it does not make it a good pvp fit... all you do is gank ratters like suicide gankers gank miners, yet you complain about suicide gankers having no skill, while you are unable to do better yourself. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8588
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:04:00 -
[686] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.
What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.
Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.
The argument is completely spastic.
And to think you were celebrating the end of freighter ganking when crimewatch was brought about as nobody could possibly be willing to put their freighter at risk under the new system. I took time off, wasn't around when crimewatch was brought about...
Still stands, we are putting just as much isk on the line. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:10:00 -
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Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
As for proper PvP fits, the fit I used got me 22 kills, including a Dominix, a Nightmare and a bunch of Oracles. As far as I'm concerned, I put 2.5 billion on the line, in null sec and gave the people I was hunting the opportunity to attack me.
You on the other hand, sit in high sec, with a cheap destroyer, and gank unsuspecting victims who cannot attack you until they're in a pod.
In short, you suck. I don't
Oracles, some of them with not even a single tanking module and less than 10k EHP, kinda like a max yield retriever if you ask me, sure takes a lot of skill to kill that in your proteus, yet suicide gankers have no skill, but you are such a pro... again.. the nighmare was PVE fitted with tachyons.. also no challenge for a proteus at all.. you still failed to show me where that dominix kill is supposed to be cause i can find all those other kills just not that one... very strange.... And once again.... just because your proteus can kill 10k EHP oracles it does not make it a good pvp fit... all you do is gank ratters like suicide gankers gank miners, yet you complain about suicide gankers having no skill, while you are unable to do better yourself. What makes it a good fit is it did exactly what I intended it to do. It allowed me to go into an alliances hub system and kill ships without getting ganked.
See once again, the difference between you and I is I risked multi billions of isk, I risked skill points, I used my main, I was in null sec where everyone can kill me, where there are bubbles, hotdrops (which is what eventually got me), where there is no concord protection.
You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.
Edit: also I'm not responsible for how people fit their ships before I kill them, I don't uncloak, scan them to make sure they're ****-fit before attacking and the Domi is clearly on my battleclinic killlboard. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:15:00 -
[688] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.
We have no concord protection, everyone can kill us, we have ships worth more than a billion, use our mains, are open to any and all traps, work in jita that has 1200+ people that can attack us.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:22:00 -
[689] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.
We have no concord protection, everyone can kill us, we have ships worth more than a billion, use our mains, are open to any and all traps, work in jita that has 1200+ people that can attack us. You're 4.4 sec status. You're protected by Concord, you use an alt freighter and get it into warp before it becomes flashy red, it then insta-docks at a station. In the rare event someone decides to use a killright on you, you lose a crappy Catalyst worth no more than 10 million. |
Jessica Alp
Chaotic Evil Beings
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:23:00 -
[690] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
As for proper PvP fits, the fit I used got me 22 kills, including a Dominix, a Nightmare and a bunch of Oracles. As far as I'm concerned, I put 2.5 billion on the line, in null sec and gave the people I was hunting the opportunity to attack me.
You on the other hand, sit in high sec, with a cheap destroyer, and gank unsuspecting victims who cannot attack you until they're in a pod.
In short, you suck. I don't
Oracles, some of them with not even a single tanking module and less than 10k EHP, kinda like a max yield retriever if you ask me, sure takes a lot of skill to kill that in your proteus, yet suicide gankers have no skill, but you are such a pro... again.. the nighmare was PVE fitted with tachyons.. also no challenge for a proteus at all.. you still failed to show me where that dominix kill is supposed to be cause i can find all those other kills just not that one... very strange.... And once again.... just because your proteus can kill 10k EHP oracles it does not make it a good pvp fit... all you do is gank ratters like suicide gankers gank miners, yet you complain about suicide gankers having no skill, while you are unable to do better yourself. What makes it a good fit is it did exactly what I intended it to do. It allowed me to go into an alliances hub system and kill ships without getting ganked. See once again, the difference between you and I is I risked multi billions of isk, I risked skill points, I used my main, I was in null sec where everyone can kill me, where there are bubbles, hotdrops (which is what eventually got me), where there is no concord protection. You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.
The funny thing is.. I have not suicide ganked anyone in the past 5 years since i only have done it in times when you could still make a few billions with it easily solo, but hey nvm......
Yet my point stands..... you claim suicide gankers have no skill and only go after easy targets while you do the same claiming to risk a ship being worth a billion ISK, on the other side you say ppl in 0.0 dock up as soon as some1 neutral comes into local (I guess you are very scared of people who are sitting inside a station).
The only kills you get are soft targets, same as suicide gankers and with your oh so awesome proteus fitting even have a hard time killing a t1 ship.
Whenever you start posting people can only see hypocrisy and statements which contradict each other and even though many different people keep pointing out the flaws in your logic, you completly fail to see those flaws. Yet you point at those people shouting around "you suck!".
Which simply leads me to one conclusion... you are a completly lost cause and any time spend to press a single button on my keyboard is nothing but wasted lifetime, so I-¦ll just stop typing and leave you to your wiered alternate reality you are living in.
HF :) |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:28:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.
We have no concord protection, everyone can kill us, we have ships worth more than a billion, use our mains, are open to any and all traps, work in jita that has 1200+ people that can attack us. You're 4.4 sec status. You're protected by Concord, you use an alt freighter and get it into warp before it becomes flashy red, it then insta-docks at a station. In the rare event someone decides to use a killright on you, you lose a crappy Catalyst worth no more than 10 million.
So because we play smart and kill people playing dumb we should yet again be punished for doing what is already the single most punished activity in the game?
It still stands, we put a freighter at risk as well as a whole fleet of ships. Its not our fault people are choosing to not take any steps to protect themselves. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:29:00 -
[692] - Quote
Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Jessica Alp wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
As for proper PvP fits, the fit I used got me 22 kills, including a Dominix, a Nightmare and a bunch of Oracles. As far as I'm concerned, I put 2.5 billion on the line, in null sec and gave the people I was hunting the opportunity to attack me.
You on the other hand, sit in high sec, with a cheap destroyer, and gank unsuspecting victims who cannot attack you until they're in a pod.
In short, you suck. I don't
Oracles, some of them with not even a single tanking module and less than 10k EHP, kinda like a max yield retriever if you ask me, sure takes a lot of skill to kill that in your proteus, yet suicide gankers have no skill, but you are such a pro... again.. the nighmare was PVE fitted with tachyons.. also no challenge for a proteus at all.. you still failed to show me where that dominix kill is supposed to be cause i can find all those other kills just not that one... very strange.... And once again.... just because your proteus can kill 10k EHP oracles it does not make it a good pvp fit... all you do is gank ratters like suicide gankers gank miners, yet you complain about suicide gankers having no skill, while you are unable to do better yourself. What makes it a good fit is it did exactly what I intended it to do. It allowed me to go into an alliances hub system and kill ships without getting ganked. See once again, the difference between you and I is I risked multi billions of isk, I risked skill points, I used my main, I was in null sec where everyone can kill me, where there are bubbles, hotdrops (which is what eventually got me), where there is no concord protection. You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you. The funny thing is.. I have not suicide ganked anyone in the past 5 years since i only have done it in times when you could still make a few billions with it easily solo, but hey nvm...... Yet my point stands..... you claim suicide gankers have no skill and only go after easy targets while you do the same claiming to risk a ship being worth a billion ISK, on the other side you say ppl in 0.0 dock up as soon as some1 neutral comes into local (I guess you are very scared of people who are sitting inside a station). The only kills you get are soft targets, same as suicide gankers and with your oh so awesome proteus fitting even have a hard time killing a t1 ship. Whenever you start posting people can only see hypocrisy and statements which contradict each other and even though many different people keep pointing out the flaws in your logic, you completly fail to see those flaws. Yet you point at those people shouting around "you suck!". Which simply leads me to one conclusion... you are a completly lost cause and any time spend to press a single button on my keyboard is nothing but wasted lifetime, so I-¦ll just stop typing and leave you to your wiered alternate reality you are living in. HF :) Something you need to realise, is that some T1 ships can and are supposed to be able to kill T2 and T3 ships. Just because they're T2 and T3 doesn't mean they don't have weaknesses to T1's. And a Dominix is not a soft target, I tackled a couple of them while I was out there, only killed one and the others neuted me dry and I barely survived. The thing is you don't know which Domi has neuts, which is PvP pretending to be PvE and that goes for all ships you attack in null.
When ganking, you know what you're ganking. You know you're going to win. There is no risk and no skill. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
801
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:34:00 -
[693] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.
We have no concord protection, everyone can kill us, we have ships worth more than a billion, use our mains, are open to any and all traps, work in jita that has 1200+ people that can attack us. You're 4.4 sec status. You're protected by Concord, you use an alt freighter and get it into warp before it becomes flashy red, it then insta-docks at a station. In the rare event someone decides to use a killright on you, you lose a crappy Catalyst worth no more than 10 million. So because we play smart and kill people playing dumb we should yet again be punished for doing what is already the single most punished activity in the game? It still stands, we put a freighter at risk as well as a whole fleet of ships. Its not our fault people are choosing to not take any steps to protect themselves. I think you misunderstand me. I don't say what you're doing is wrong. All I'm saying is its too easy, should come with some risk and no, looting a can and warping a freighter before its attack-able to a safe and then to a station bookmark is not risk.
Nothing wrong with doing that, I would do the same, obviously it'd be stupid to loot and sit there till you get killed.
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Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
696
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:39:00 -
[694] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:I think you misunderstand me. I don't say what you're doing is wrong. All I'm saying is its too easy, should come with some risk and no, looting a can and warping a freighter before its attack-able to a safe and then to a station bookmark is not risk.
Nothing wrong with doing that, I would do the same, obviously it'd be stupid to loot and sit there till you get killed.
Why shouldn't it be easy? Should new players be barred from this activity? Should player ingenuity and organization be penalized? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8588
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:41:00 -
[695] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: I think you misunderstand me. I don't say what you're doing is wrong. All I'm saying is its too easy, should come with some risk and no, looting a can and warping a freighter before its attack-able to a safe and then to a station bookmark is not risk.
Nothing wrong with doing that, I would do the same, obviously it'd be stupid to loot and sit there till you get killed.
So when did a freighter being open to attack to everyone stop being a risk?
Again, if people tried to stop us then we would lose it no matter how well we fly it at some point. Its not our fault nobody even tries.
We are doing exactly the same thing as you are doing only we have greater risks and costs due to the added high sec mechanics. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
316
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:10:00 -
[696] - Quote
*spills popcorn all over*
Brick tanked oracle! Null is safe, i stroll there when i want! Null is dangerous, only awesome people stroll there when they want!
Yeah! Ziona! Keep arguing about pvp with baltec! It's like watching a horse fight with a wedding cake, in the rain! Oh man. At this point anyone bothering to challenge you on your negativity is your friend in eve, but the twisting and sliding is some kinda terrible habit.
Confirming you went to the softest targets in null, in a T3 and a falcon, then lied about how awesome you were, then whined about losing an afk noobship. The point has been passed where credibility scrolls into negative digits, it is now in some weird alien scribble.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
695
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Posted - 2013.11.17 01:27:00 -
[697] - Quote
Thread too long at 35 pages to catch up now. Have we decided how to get rid of the idiots in hisec yet? I just started ganking again on my alt and took out a hulk in a .6. I'm doing my best to get rid of the idiots who AFK untanked mining ships. We probably don't need a CCP solution to this problem. Just more catalysts. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Decian Cor
Disconnected. Moon Warriors
41
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Posted - 2013.11.17 03:21:00 -
[698] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0 "There is no good and evil. There is only power, and those too weak to seek it."
Unfiltered for the masses. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1138
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:25:00 -
[699] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:La Nariz wrote:You have a bad Proteus fit. You have ZERO solo kills. Your opinion is not relevant at all. Jessica Alp wrote:Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.
If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:
You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position. I have tried to be polite with you but you're one of those people that refuse to be wrong. In this instance, something which you most definitely are. You're making yourself look foolish.
So you're telling me I'm bad because I have friends :smug:? The only thing bad in this thread is you, your position was destroyed and these last thirty or so pages are of you trying to over heat as many forum modules as you can in hopes you can survive the aggression timer and dock up in your local mental institution. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
10
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:03:00 -
[700] - Quote
Avoid 0.5's that are strung together (i.e. Hek to Ours)
Avoid put tons of expensive sh*t in your cargo of your cheap a*s non tanky ship
TANK your ship
Avoid JITA if at all possible....You can sell your goods other places.
USE the MAP dammit! It tells you everything
And last but not least, use a SCOUT if you are scared of a gank!
Last time I was ganked was hauling t2 bpc's around, before you could tell if it was BPO or a BPC. Oh, and you had warp to 15, no warp to zero yet
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
801
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:02:00 -
[701] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:La Nariz wrote:You have a bad Proteus fit. You have ZERO solo kills. Your opinion is not relevant at all. Jessica Alp wrote:Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.
If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:
You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position. I have tried to be polite with you but you're one of those people that refuse to be wrong. In this instance, something which you most definitely are. You're making yourself look foolish. So you're telling me I'm bad because I have friends :smug:? The only thing bad in this thread is you, your position was destroyed and these last thirty or so pages are of you trying to over heat as many forum modules as you can in hopes you can survive the aggression timer and dock up in your local mental institution. No Im telling you you don't have the experience in whats required in a ship to solo in null. Therefore your comment is irrelevant. You don't use a slow 150k EHP Proteus to solo. Why? Because if your still shooting after 100k is gone you fecked up and your selecting a celestial to spam warp. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1139
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:11:00 -
[702] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: No Im telling you you don't have the experience in whats required in a ship to solo in null. Therefore your comment is irrelevant. You don't use a slow 150k EHP Proteus to solo. Why? Because if your still shooting after 100k is gone you fecked up and your selecting a celestial to spam warp.
Perhaps those of us that can make friends have no need to solo? Again you're mad because I have friends and you don't :smug:. Just a hint here you might get friends if you acted even slightly like a normal human being when your positions are destroyed instead of acting like a petulant child. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Uma D
Uma D Ltd.
13
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:28:00 -
[703] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:
No Im telling you you don't have the experience in whats required in a ship to solo in null. Therefore your comment is irrelevant. You don't use a slow 150k EHP Proteus to solo. Why? Because if your still shooting after 100k is gone you fecked up and your selecting a celestial to spam warp.
With the targets you are going after you could even go with nothing but guns and a single point fitted and would still get the kills. And since you obviously think that a proteus can not win against a stabber solo, i doubt that you know what it takes to solo anything but PvE ships in 0.0...
but keep going It is allways very entertaining to read your post while I am eating :). |
Cage Man
291
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Posted - 2013.11.17 19:00:00 -
[704] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:La Nariz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:La Nariz wrote:You have a bad Proteus fit. You have ZERO solo kills. Your opinion is not relevant at all. Jessica Alp wrote:Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.
If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:
You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position. I have tried to be polite with you but you're one of those people that refuse to be wrong. In this instance, something which you most definitely are. You're making yourself look foolish. So you're telling me I'm bad because I have friends :smug:? The only thing bad in this thread is you, your position was destroyed and these last thirty or so pages are of you trying to over heat as many forum modules as you can in hopes you can survive the aggression timer and dock up in your local mental institution. No Im telling you you don't have the experience in whats required in a ship to solo in null. Therefore your comment is irrelevant. You don't use a slow 150k EHP Proteus to solo. Why? Because if your still shooting after 100k is gone you fecked up and your selecting a celestial to spam warp.
Soo what you saying is you a 0.0 super god leet PVP but can't jump a gate in HS without whining ??? Just confused about the purpose of this thread is all PS, your essential ganking carebears in null by jumping PVE fitted ships..
The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
842
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Posted - 2013.11.17 19:11:00 -
[705] - Quote
Cage Man wrote:Soo what you saying is you a 0.0 super god leet PVP but can't jump a gate in HS without whining ??? Just confused about the purpose of this thread is all PS, your essential ganking carebears in null by jumping PVE fitted ships..
I wouldn't go so far as calling it ganking. See, us highsec gankers, we have to figure EHP, do DPS calcs vs. concord response times, stealthily scan fits without being noticed, provide tight warp-ins, operate in-fleet/act as small gang FC....
I'd say what IZ engages in is more along the lines of PVE ratting. Warp to location, lock target, press F1. Maybe warp away if things do go according to the mission descrip...I mean, if you get hot dropped and/or overwhelmed. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
707
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Posted - 2013.11.17 19:22:00 -
[706] - Quote
Cage Man wrote:Soo what you saying is you a 0.0 super god leet PVP but can't jump a gate in HS without whining ??? Just confused about the purpose of this thread is all There is none. Any point they might have had was definitively shot down 20 pages ago. Now it's just a person cherry picking and ignoring posts while screaming "lalala" as loud as they can, trying to drown them out. Of course we continue to egg them on, because "lol, GD" |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
801
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:31:00 -
[707] - Quote
Cage Man wrote:Soo what you saying is you a 0.0 super god leet PVP but can't jump a gate in HS without whining ??? Just confused about the purpose of this thread is all PS, your essential ganking carebears in null by jumping PVE fitted ships.. The purpose of the thread has been served. CCP has no doubt noticed this threadnaught and you've helped contribute by adding your nonsense.
As for leet pvp, never claimed to be that, the state that solo is in its really not possible to be "leet". As for killing only carebears I killed whatever I believed I had a good chance of beating. You don't attack something that is likely to kill you - given that most of you gang dweebs need to bring 10 times the number required that rules out pvp fit ships since you never find those alone.
You guys call it "having friends" I call it being afraid.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1941
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:33:00 -
[708] - Quote
Why are you afraid? It's only a game. Oh god. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4549
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:37:00 -
[709] - Quote
OP is so full of himself.
Now even believes CCP cares about his pseudo-threadnaught, which isn't even one. It took 12 days to reach 36 posts.
That's not a threadnaught.
Why can't somebody remove all the self-righteous, hypocritical ******** from the game and let the OP be the first one that has to leave ? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1952
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:38:00 -
[710] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: You guys call it "having friends" I call it being afraid.
Confirming that being antisocial makes you a hard ass of epic proportion. Point Blank Alliance [DAKKA] is currently recruiting corporations to join in our lowsec piracy operations. For more information, please add the in game channel 'weflyrifters' or speak to a DAKKA member today. |
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Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4549
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:40:00 -
[711] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: You guys call it "having friends" I call it being afraid.
Confirming that being antisocial makes you a hard ass of epic proportion. Well it's logical that the OP believes that, considering that he sure as hell has no friends to speak of. |
Cage Man
291
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:41:00 -
[712] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Cage Man wrote:Soo what you saying is you a 0.0 super god leet PVP but can't jump a gate in HS without whining ??? Just confused about the purpose of this thread is all PS, your essential ganking carebears in null by jumping PVE fitted ships.. The purpose of the thread has been served. CCP has no doubt noticed this threadnaught and you've helped contribute by adding your nonsense. As for leet pvp, never claimed to be that, the state that solo is in its really not possible to be "leet". As for killing only carebears I killed whatever I believed I had a good chance of beating. You don't attack something that is likely to kill you - given that most of you gang dweebs need to bring 10 times the number required that rules out pvp fit ships since you never find those alone. You guys call it "having friends" I call it being afraid.
Glad I could contribute my nonsense to yours.. AFK cloaky camping systems is as big a pain in the butt as HS ganking.. its sorta like the pot calling the kettle black.. If you partake in one... you really shouldn't complain about the other The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |
Uma D
Uma D Ltd.
19
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:13:00 -
[713] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:
The purpose of the thread has been served. CCP has no doubt noticed this threadnaught and you've helped contribute by adding your nonsense.
Hahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahah...... (breathing in) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....... (breathing in) ... (5 minutes later) ... After a good long laugh all i can say to you is:
If anything you have only reached that neither ccp nore anyone else in eve will ever take anything you say seriously again. Seriously.. just because you lost a rookie ship, make a thread about it, where practically nobody supports your opinion ccp will go and nerf suicide ganking..... I am sure there are also pink elefants in your room......
Oh boy, what world are you just living in...... |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1139
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:21:00 -
[714] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Cage Man wrote:Soo what you saying is you a 0.0 super god leet PVP but can't jump a gate in HS without whining ??? Just confused about the purpose of this thread is all PS, your essential ganking carebears in null by jumping PVE fitted ships.. The purpose of the thread has been served. CCP has no doubt noticed this threadnaught and you've helped contribute by adding your nonsense. As for leet pvp, never claimed to be that, the state that solo is in its really not possible to be "leet". As for killing only carebears I killed whatever I believed I had a good chance of beating. You don't attack something that is likely to kill you - given that most of you gang dweebs need to bring 10 times the number required that rules out pvp fit ships since you never find those alone. You guys call it "having friends" I call it being afraid.
So you're telling me in a Massive Multiplayer Online Game, if I make friends I am a ~dishonourable coward~? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
321
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Posted - 2013.11.18 01:37:00 -
[715] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:... You guys call it "having friends" I call it being afraid.
*Spits popcorn
MORE!
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4557
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Posted - 2013.11.18 01:40:00 -
[716] - Quote
Uma D wrote:Oh boy, what world are you just living in...... This.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1528
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Posted - 2013.11.18 01:50:00 -
[717] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Uma D wrote:Oh boy, what world are you just living in...... This.
For the timing of that link, have a like. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.11.18 21:13:00 -
[718] - Quote
I had fun, thank you for the entertainment.
Unsubscribing now.
Peace and Gallentian Blaster Love
"It's funny the things you people think are mandatory for us, as if we don't do what we do because it's a hilarious good time in a space video game." - Johnny Marzetti
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1535
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Posted - 2013.11.18 21:41:00 -
[719] - Quote
Zheng'Yi Sao wrote:I had fun, thank you for the entertainment. Unsubscribing now. Peace and Gallentian Blaster Love
Perchance, render unto Caesar? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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