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Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 766	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:46:00 - [601] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: So why then is everyone playing if they are only playing for WiS content? The even more pertinent question: Why the hell are you playing? Oh I play EVE cause I love it, same re, I think, for the otherbeside UO is the only real existing sandbox. This is why I would like to see my beloved game keep growing as was in the past and implemented like a sandbox, and not degraded to another P2W WoT-style game. Delt0r Garsk wrote: And an old player should know well that the age of the character has little to do with the age of the player... Yes, they always say this.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 6893	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:51:00 - [602] - Quote To be quite honest with you I don't think that further development of WiS would be a Bad ThingGäó. I just think that there's an awful lot of work left for CCP to do to fix/improve other areas of the game before redirecting the developer resources necessary. I also think that CCP needs to consider quite carefully what counts as engaging gameplay versus what counts as frivolous gameplay. Ironically though I think some development of features that could be included in WiS could have saved CCP from most or even all of the bad rep they've gotten this year. Namely, if they had implemented some sort of lottery inside the game itself, they could have done rare ship giveaways/etc. without relying on SOMER Blink. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Cap'n Thich Ministry of Destruction SCUM. 3	Posted - 2013.12.11 22:41:00 - [603] - Quote I've just been skimming through this thread, reading the more interesting posts. The main point i saw was that people were worred all people are going to do is walk around in the stations instead of flying around in space. Anyone who roams, whether for pvp or exploration etc, knows a large majority of people are docked and stay docked for a long time. There are a lot of strong points in this game, being a much more socialable game then most is one of its very strong points. Walking around in stations WILL improve the social aspect of this game. Its easy to make actual friends and thats something Eve does that a lot of MMOs cant. Strengthening the social part of this game will cause more people to be online, which in turn will improve every other aspect of this game. The more players the better. Now, with that said CCP has a lot of other crap they need to fix or improve before they even start thinking about adding new features to this game. Remember guys keep an open mind about these things.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 3623	Posted - 2013.12.11 22:57:00 - [604] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: On the "why 15% nullseccers" issue: Tranquility subscribers: >400,000 Characters in sov-holding alliances: ~90,000 Maximum estimate: 90,000 out of 400,000 characters= 22.5% Minimum estimate: 90,000 out of 1,350,000 characters= 6,66% Average of minimum to maximum estimate: 14.58% Feeling generous, I call it 15%. You're honestly saying you don't know what's wrong with this? All you just proved is that "nullseccers" is somewhere above 22.5% of the EVE population (because you can expect a null sec player to have at least 1 character in a null sec allaince at least most of the time). Like, oh, I dunno, how of my on 12 personal characters only 3 are in my "Sov Holding Allaince" with the rest being either in my empire corp or RvB or FW. And i'm far from the only person who does this. Hell, if each "nullseccer" has just 1 out of alliance/in high/low or wormhole sec alt they make up almost half of the EVE population, which may easily be the case with each account having 3 character spots. It would explain how poor "majority" high sec can't seem to elect more than one (maybe) to the csm. The high sec majoirty is probably a myth.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 2641	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:02:00 - [605] - Quote You'll grasp at any old straw if it means not having to own up to the possibility that you may be wrong, won't you Jenn? Especially if it can be woven into a nice straw man. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 2740	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:28:00 - [606] - Quote Sura Sadiva wrote: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: On the "why 15% nullseccers" issue: Tranquility subscribers: >400,000 Characters in sov-holding alliances: ~90,000 Maximum estimate: 90,000 out of 400,000 characters= 22.5% Minimum estimate: 90,000 out of 1,350,000 characters= 6,66% Average of minimum to maximum estimate: 14.58% Feeling generous, I call it 15%. Wait 400k subscribers and 90k characters? Characters doesn't mean too much. have to consider 2-3 per account, then have to calculate not active accounts (generally an high percentrage), that are still counted as copropration memebers. And then alts... IMO the only relevant data we can consider are the stats from dotlan or from ingame universe map. The estimate is from Dolan, I didn't added all 120+ Sov-holding alliances but took a few statistic shortcuts and ended up with about 90,000 characters listed. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 675	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:32:00 - [607] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Elizabeth Brown wrote: Maybe in a couple of years sounds great. But, at the moment CCP are working towards a 5 year plan to add star gates that we can make. If we want WiS in a couple of years, then they're going to have to drop that dream for a start. I would be happy with that. I would be happy if they had a 5 year plan to add Walking in Stations, so long as they had a plan. Working towards it slowly like they are working towards the star gate thing would be an ideal. Personally I think the stargate thing is asinine. Unless the rules for it will be like the rules for POS, it means that they're going to be spending years working on content only a few powerful alliances will get to use. We've had that before with the previous sov overhaul. You know, the one that needs overhauled because it was craptacular? I don't buy this whole 5 year plan bollox, how can it take 5 years to add a new map and stargates to the game. You can randomly seed a map for game use in like 1 second, plus the gate graphics have already been made as we fly through them every day. Setting up the PI/Manufacturing requirements for the gate is trivial, just another DB entry and allowing them to deploy is as simple as adding in a different class of POS to the map. Being generous this is one expansion's worth of work at best. I reiterate that EVE is in maintainence mode and that this whole 5 year plan has been dreamed up by CCP to give the illusion of ongoing work to us the playebase whilst they concentrate on the side projects. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 371	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:44:00 - [608] - Quote Little Dragon Khamez wrote: I don't buy this whole 5 year plan bollox, how can it take 5 years to add a new map and stargates to the game. You can randomly seed a map for game use in like 1 second, plus the gate graphics have already been made as we fly through them every day. Setting up the PI/Manufacturing requirements for the gate is trivial, just another DB entry and allowing them to deploy is as simple as adding in a different class of POS to the map. Being generous this is one expansion's worth of work at best. I reiterate that EVE is in maintainence mode and that this whole 5 year plan has been dreamed up by CCP to give the illusion of ongoing work to us the playebase whilst they concentrate on the side projects. Well, in this case I can explain it: it's the additional hardware. EvE has had quite a few server upgrades across it's history. It's nto just generating the map, it's the underlaying hardware and code to support it. My estimate though would be it would take about a year, unless finances are an issue. Personally I think we'll see POS and Sov overhauls first. They've been putting POS overhauls off for years and years now. Originally they claimed they did not want to try and fix it as they had ditched the original programmer for them and he had apparently not left any notes. They've done a few things with it since, but have generally left it alone. I can only surmise then that they are going to recode them from the ground up. Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all.
Lipbite Express Hauler 1558	Posted - 2013.12.12 06:15:00 - [609] - Quote ~15 people fired from World of Darkness team / CCP Atlanta office. That means more resources for EVE and possible WiS development boost - right, guys?... It's like CCP is doing everything they can to lose in upcoming spaceship MMO sandbox competition. /me launching "the other"* game because it has avatar content besides spaceships. * cannot name it, don't want to see this post deleted.
Aaron Kyoto Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 26	Posted - 2013.12.12 06:34:00 - [610] - Quote Once they've finished the focus on the ship rebalancing and getting every ship worth flying, then i'll happily cecede to them working on interesting and novel ideas such as this. Right now; they've got more pressing things to be working on.
Duran Veldspur Rebel Empire 12	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:58:00 - [611] - Quote Are you kidding me? CCP cant even get the concept of "limited edition" right. You think they can grasp how to do a little walking in station on top of the disaster of Incarna? I highly doubt they give a flip what customers want inside a station anymore, what CCP wants is money and beer. I use to think CCP movers and shakers had wisdom but instead i am reminded they are just a bunch of smart drunks that continue to throw away good opportunities and back peddle when they screw up. They don't even care about costumers concerns on this thread.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 2642	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:17:00 - [612] - Quote Duran Veldspur wrote: Are you kidding me? CCP cant even get the concept of "limited edition" right. You think they can grasp how to do a little walking in station on top of the disaster of Incarna? I highly doubt they give a flip what customers want inside a station anymore, what CCP wants is money and beer. I use to think CCP movers and shakers had wisdom but instead i am reminded they are just a bunch of smart drunks that continue to throw away good opportunities and back peddle when they screw up. They don't even care about costumers concerns on this thread. And yet here you are subscribing to their game, which receives constant admiration from the games industry and is something of an Internet legend. Clearly they are doing something very right. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Warfare Corp. 277	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:17:00 - [613] - Quote Lipbite wrote: ~15 people fired from World of Darkness team / CCP Atlanta office. That means more resources for EVE and possible WiS development boost - right, guys?... It's like CCP is doing everything they can to lose in upcoming spaceship MMO sandbox competition. /me launching "the other"* game because it has avatar content besides spaceships. * cannot name it, don't want to see this post deleted. wich game? there arnt any games comming out who you can compare with eve. really ccp is mild in posting her with other games, you ment SC? The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Warfare Corp. 277	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:22:00 - [614] - Quote btw , is ther enone ultimate rich in real life player who wants to depo couple of mil to ccp so tey can harvest resources for WiS? The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 965	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:22:00 - [615] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Baroness Vulna wrote: So it has been over two years since the fateful walking in stations expansion Incarna. I am wondering if it ever came out; who at CCP messed up the whole walking in stations idea that badly? I think many of us remember back in 2007 the ten ton hammer video of CCP showing us a glimpse of walking in stations, it was gorgeous and we waited anxiously for 4 years to see this come out. What we got was completely different from what was shown to us before. It was not anything like we expected or was advertised, a total let down. So who made the big decision to scrap the good walking in stations for what we have now? Why did CCP drop development of walking in stations when all they had to do was come out with what everyone was looking forward to...walking around a station. Being able to walk up to your ship and zoom out to see the awesome size comparison. Do you know there are sci fi games coming out that are in beta right now that allow you to walk up to your ship? After ten years of EVE and two years of incarna, why cant the biggest sci fi game in the world still not let players walk up to their awesome ships? What are you doing wrong CCP? Concerned customer. The players did , whith their massive revotls, riots and demands that CCP scrapped the focus on incarna in favor of SPACE. CCP lost a LOT of costumers and only started gettign them back after they complied. THey leaarned a lesson. Do not expect anything incarna related soon. They almost learned a lesson. Had they kept at it they'd have gotten a crapload of new customers that enjoy more than floating in space on blobs popping indys. Missed opportunity. Also should be noted, player revolt was not over WIS it was primarily over micro transactions .
Tostatius Shepard Kronikla Inc. 5	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:30:00 - [616] - Quote Dear developers: The game is perfect the way it is, and the costumer support even more. Please keep going. Thanks.
Tostatius Shepard Kronikla Inc. 5	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:32:00 - [617] - Quote Maybe you people need to know what time is it to develop such thing. There isn't 5 minutes, because they need to create a lot of things without a base.
Davon Mandra'thin Rotten Legion Ops 371	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:47:00 - [618] - Quote Tostatius Shepard wrote: Maybe you people need to know what time is it to develop such thing. There isn't 5 minutes, because they need to create a lot of things without a base. I agree. The game is great the way it is. I wouldn't be playing Eve if I didn't think it was more awesome than all the other games I could be playing. They are currently working towards a 5 year plan to implement manufacturable star gates. So they have the time to develop new stuff even if it will take a while. They just need to drop that ridiculous goal and work on the stuff players have already been promised or been asking for. Maybe you people need to think before you post.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 2642	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:53:00 - [619] - Quote Quote: They just need to drop that ridiculous goal and work on the stuff players have already promised or been asking for. regardless of whether or not other players think it sounds awesome and want them to go ahead with it? Sounds familiar. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Davon Mandra'thin Rotten Legion Ops 372	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:57:00 - [620] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Quote: They just need to drop that ridiculous goal and work on the stuff players have already promised or been asking for. regardless of whether or not other players think it sounds awesome and want them to go ahead with it? Sounds familiar. Not exactly sure what point your trying to make there.
Solkara Starlock Circle of Mystery 44	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:58:00 - [621] - Quote I'd rather have to wait for WiS a longer time for it to be implemented in a proper EVE way, immersed in the gritty EVE universe, with a real impact on the economy. It should be another box in the sandbox that is EVE. If you don't want it, you don't have to play it. But you should have easy access to it. Comparable to wormholes now. Exact numbers aside, there is a significant portion of the player base that wants a properly done WiS. Perhaps just as many then players that want big alliance controled, player built stargates.
Tostatius Shepard Kronikla Inc. 5	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:06:00 - [622] - Quote Davon Mandra'thin wrote: Tostatius Shepard wrote: Maybe you people need to know what time is it to develop such thing. There isn't 5 minutes, because they need to create a lot of things without a base. I agree. The game is great the way it is. I wouldn't be playing Eve if I didn't think it was more awesome than all the other games I could be playing. They are currently working towards a 5 year plan to implement manufacturable star gates. So they have the time to develop new stuff even if it will take a while. They just need to drop that ridiculous Star Gate/New Space goal and work on the stuff players have already been promised or been asking for. Maybe you people need to think before you post. Instead of making threads like this, people need to get together and develop a 5 year new plan.
Davon Mandra'thin Rotten Legion Ops 372	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:26:00 - [623] - Quote Tostatius Shepard wrote: Instead of making threads like this, people need to get together and develop a 5 year new plan. The stupid is strong with this one.
Tostatius Shepard Kronikla Inc. 5	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:14:00 - [624] - Quote Davon Mandra'thin wrote: Tostatius Shepard wrote: Instead of making threads like this, people need to get together and develop a 5 year new plan. The stupid is strong with this one. Stupidity*. We, the clever guys don't need to make ad-hominems.
Davon Mandra'thin Rotten Legion Ops 373	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:23:00 - [625] - Quote Tostatius Shepard wrote: Davon Mandra'thin wrote: [quote=Tostatius Shepard] Instead of making threads like this, people need to get together and develop a 5 year new plan. Stupidity. We, the clever guys don't need to make ad-hominems. Alright, smart one, let's break this down. Starting with the obvious one. No one not in CCP, is qualified to put together a new plan for them. No one here has the technical information required to plan their development processes. Now then, assuming you mean 'goal', and your saying we should get together to propose a new goal of their 5 year plan, then sure we could do that. In fact, people have, in this* thread. Something you would know if you had read some of this thread before actually posting. That was actually what I was implying in the post you quoted with this reply. Quote: Instead of making threads like this So how, smart one, do you suggest the people in this thread over the internet on a forum get together to decide a new goal for CCP's 5 year plan, if not in a thread? You are not the clever guys. People who are clever would think their posts through before they hit the submit button.
Duran Veldspur Rebel Empire 13	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:50:00 - [626] - Quote Lugalbandak wrote: btw , is ther enone ultimate rich in real life player who wants to depo couple of mil to ccp so tey can harvest resources for WiS? well i pumped tens of thousands of dollars of my money into CCP over the past several years and by god i am going to let them know they better get their **** together and stop fooling around because i want my investment to last another decade or more. so if more people want to walk around stations and it revives a new aspect of the game and doesnt hurt what we have THEN DO IT! if they cant do it right at first they better get off their ass and figure it out!
Red Teufel Mafia Redux Phobia. 281	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:55:00 - [627] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Red Teufel wrote: When walking in stations came out...it was so bad that everyone started un-subbing due to rage. In before another person saying "microtransactions" in a refuting counter-post that too, banning of liang, and also the leaked e-mail saying customers were stupid and to ignore them.
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Warfare Corp. 278	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:06:00 - [628] - Quote Duran Veldspur wrote: Lugalbandak wrote: btw , is ther enone ultimate rich in real life player who wants to depo couple of mil to ccp so tey can harvest resources for WiS? well i pumped tens of thousands of dollars of my money into CCP over the past several years and by god i am going to let them know they better get their ** together and stop fooling around because i want my investment to last another decade or more. so if more people want to walk around stations and it revives a new aspect of the game and doesnt hurt what we have THEN DO IT! if they cant do it right at first they better get off their ass and figure it out! i get your point , but i think atm tey barly can pay salaris , in 7 years i poured also thousend of dollars(lucky dollars tey aint worth **). Im crazy enough if i was a multibil in rl to donate pure for WiS develepment , but im just a poor pal. srry for bad enlgish o/ The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 771	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:22:00 - [629] - Quote Tostatius Shepard wrote: Instead of making threads like this, people need to get together and develop a 5 year new plan. we have to develop only the plan or also write the code?
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 2643	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:24:00 - [630] - Quote Red Teufel wrote: ... the leaked e-mail saying customers were stupid and to ignore them. A sentiment which has since been substantiated several dozen times a day. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738

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