It hasn't helped that a great deal of WiS advocacy talked in great length about how weirdly excited they were at the idea of things like 'setting up a bar in a station somewhere'. Because, you know, if I was an immortal posthuman able to fly a mile-long spaceship and trigger barrages of artillery shells the size of a family car by plugging the controls directly into my brain, the thing I'd really be looking forward to doing would be pulling pints and cleaning up vomit in the toilets down at the King's Arms on a Friday night.

It hasn't helped that a great deal of WiS advocacy talked in great length about how weirdly excited they were at the idea of things like 'setting up a bar in a station somewhere'. Because, you know, if I was an immortal posthuman able to fly a mile-long spaceship and trigger barrages of artillery shells the size of a family car by plugging the controls directly into my brain, the thing I'd really be looking forward to doing would be pulling pints and cleaning up vomit in the toilets down at the King's Arms on a Friday night.

Now, exploring the deep space wreckage of long-lost civilisations with nothing but a vacuum-suit and a flashlight, negotiating malfunctioning security systems and making off with rare and precious artifacts? That's something I can get behind, and if/when CCP gives the greenlight to working on a release for it I'll be interested to see what they can come up with. But that vision wasn't even on the table until CCP had already had two failed stabs at the WiS concept, so its hard to take seriously those who were so eager to see WiS when all it had to offer was a Second Life clone and $70 monocles.

You think that EVE is this majestic thing that can be anything it wants to be.

Because it is.

Either without the other will get you nowhere. Idealism without realism is naivety - realism without idealism is cynicism.

I like to think what I'm proposing is both idealistic and realistic.

I'm sure you're aware of how much of a mess EVE's current code is.

I'm also sure that you are aware that the reason we log in each day is to do comparatively vast and amazing things amongst the stars.

This game does have incredible potential, but I want the universe I fly around in to become more complex and interesting and dynamic.

And anything that allowed me to spend my time crouched behind some bulkhead while my enemies plink away at me with their pocket lazorz would never be anything close to what most of us would deem to be fun or acceptable.

WiS is thinking small. EVE is all about thinking big.

You really haven't read a thing I've written, have you? I'm talking in terms EoF being HUGE. I'm talking in terms of EoF doubling the size of the sandbox or more.

How is that not "thinking big" enough for you?

Not in EVE:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1942633#post1942633

That's the thing, Stitcher. You think like I used to 10 years ago when I couldn't understand why nothing happened the way I envisioned it... the way I wanted it to be... to appeal to everyone I wanted it to appeal to. The best things EVE has ever done have been doable, passable things that enhance what it already is. And even then, there have been major problems and setbacks and backlashes and all that nonsense.

But people's time is limited. Technology is limited. Funds are limited. And when you think of everything that would have to go into WiS to make it everything you want it to be, why would you even undock ever again? EVE would become two games - a game for station dwellers, and a game for pilots. If everything you wanted was actually included in WiS, you wouldn't need EVE at all! You'd be spending hours and hours just having adventures... in stations.

And again, the reason we don't have it, is because it's very very difficult to do. And frankly, I don't even think it's worth it. Put that time and money into making the things that happen in space better. Give us more things to do. In space. With our massive spaceships. It all boils down to a simple disagreement over what makes EVE "better".

I don't think WiS makes it better. I think it's pointless.

Bitter vet stuff.

Serious urge to tell you to post with you main... Kind of just did... I think.

Well, speaking as an old schooler who's never burned out even once... I find your lack of enthusiasm upsetting.

It would interest me to know why you feel a version of walking in stations that was thematically, mechanically and content-wise pure EVE and which contributed to both the size and available content of the sandbox would not enrich the game, however.

Setting aside any doubts about its feasibility - if CCP managed to make EoF in a way that completely justified and even exceeded my enthusiasm, and that people didn't abandon the spaceship side of the game in favour of it... what possible objection could you have?

I don't think that "Compatible with current server ticks" is actually that great of an obstacle - DUST and (when it's released) Valkyrie will both be operating at much faster speeds than that because they operate on battle servers which run at a much faster tick rate.

Shunting EVE characters between server nodes is routine, it happens every time you jump through a stargate. If it's not technically possible to move us onto a battle server without logging us off, then increasing or decreasing the tick rate of TQ's server nodes, unless I misunderstand how it works, is the basis of TiDi - did you see that Alliance Tournament match where time kept speeding up?

Might be I just made a dev laugh at my hilarious wrongness, but if that IS how it works then I don't see any obstacles to game mechanics that operate with much faster reaction times than spaceships EVE.

Walking in stations and exotic dancing in stations now that would be fun

Give me more isk boys! (and girls)

I created a post in F&I - its called Cmon CCP, Lets Do this?

If you want to support a push for WIS, go in and +1 it.

I looked at the post and could not support the idea you suggested, so will not post in it.

Yesterday she said she doesn't really care about WiS, but that post conviniently got deleted. I, for one, won't support such a shady person either.

Mods deleted it. I said I would like it however it's no biggie if it's not developed. I have more important things to focus on. And yes I am shady.

Yesterday she said she doesn't really care about WiS, but that post conviniently got deleted. I, for one, won't support such a shady person either.

Infinity Ziona is someone I respect in Eve, nothing shady about her at all, I just did not like the idea she posted in F&I, don't put words in my mouth.

Speaking for myself, I want more WiS content. It doesn't need to be big expansions, it doesn't need to be major overhauls. I'd just like to see it slowly grow and improve beyond its current, purely cosmetic status.

I don't care if it takes resources away from something else. What we have right now just isn't enough, and I reject the notion that EVE is purely an internet spaceships game right now - it's far too big and metagamey to be just that - and I completely reject the idea that it should always remain solely about the spaceships.

I am, however, resigned to not seeing WiS receive any attention for several years now.

EDIT: You are a stupid Troll, blocked

When you say this you do realise you are saying;

"I dont agree with your opinion, but it offends me so much that I will call you a name and then make sure I don't have to hear your opinion again, because it offends me and, by extention, makes me reconsider my own opinion"

I, too, admire Ioseph Stalin, but I don't think following his example is a good idea.

You are blocked too, and I realized that this toon was one of yours.