Chill bro. No need to be a ****.

But it's not just the roleplayers.

Sure, the benefits to the roleplaying community are obvious, but it's scope is so much more

If you disagree with me, then disagree with me.

I don't see anything to disagree with. You've not really giving reasons for Avatar content to not be developed.

Actually, I already explained earlier in the thread that WiS content wouldn't really add anything to the roleplay game.

By your logic we shouldn't have had all those past expansions as they were a waste of time for not implementing everything in one go perfectly.

How can you possibly claim to control what other people would enjoy?

The problem you have is that you seem to think that those who support WiS only want emotes. It couldn't be further from the truth. And even if they did, it isn't on you to determine if they would somehow enjoy the game more or not. You have no ability to dictate what other people would enjoy.

You can have an opinion, but you don't get to control other peoples opinions.

Simply put, because it will not contain all the cool and incredible features that people here have suggested (I just don't see CQ/WoD becoming a platform for things like gunfights, sabotaging actual ships, and just generally being a space cowboy) and will be poorly implemented (because it will be), it is a waste of time and money. This time... and money... is better spent on improving any number of things with the existing game, and adding more and more verticality and dynamic elements to space.

I think where WiS proponents sometimes get it wrong (I'm not saying all the time, just sometimes) is on the execution. I don't actually think the game people are describing here would be a bad thing. Are you kidding me? Hop out of pod, slink past some war targets hanging out in the station, get to enemy ship, do dastardly things? That sounds like a hell of a lot of fun. But at the end of the day, if that grand vision is going to be supplanted by "doable" WiS (avatars standing in a circle), it ain't worth it.

It has been fantastic to see the Avatar team show everyone that there is meaningful gameplay using more than just your ship as your agent in the EVE Universe. The prototyping work they have done in Unity has allowed them to rapidly explore different themes and make a game which is challenging, fun and in the true spirit of EVE.

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So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step.

I'm not controlling anybody's opinions, I'm explaining a simple fact - having a scenic but mechanically inert bar to stand in and talk to each other wouldn't add anything to roleplaying. If we want our character to go drinking with his friends, we can do that already in a chat channel with a bit of imagination, usually while actually doing something else clean across the game that's actually profitable.

So all that the ability to enter the actual virtual space would do for us would be to remove the ability to do something else while simultaneously RPing being in a bar.

That bit is solid fact - we already RP going to bars via text chat, adding an actual bar wouldn't increase the availability of bar-based RP, and would limit our ability to do other stuff at the same time.

Everything after that point, where I call for mechanical features that would be attractive and a good springboard for RP? That's all my opinion and was never painted as anything other than.

Amongst other things Dust's release was referenced as a reason they didn't have the resources at the time to develop it. Dust is released now obviously, (even if it looks to have done terribly) but they have taken even more projects on that are piggy-backing off Eve's income. If development resources are an issue, why are CCP developing 4 games and mobiles apps off the income of one game? Frankly I would be happy to divert the resources from any one of those projects to get a little more umph into Eve development (maybe not Dust in that it might literally die if they stopped working on it).

You have touched on two key points here.

1) DUST is an absolute flop. For the most part, this is not in dispute

2) CCP are developing/have developed many things, but have a track record for only doing one thing successfully: EVE

This is where my apprehension comes from. DUST flopped. WoD died. People were fired. Bad things.

WiS is essentially a property salvage effort. They have inactive property, so why not apply it to EVE? Well, because as it has been suggested by Fellon, it actually detracts from EVE. I feel this is because WiS is essentially another game within a game, and its deployment will suffer from the fact that it is what it is, namely, a salvage effort.

Just out of curiosity, what are the current user figures for DUST, if anyone has them?

Just out of curiosity, what are the current user figures for DUST, if anyone has them?

Dust 514 suggests a mode of play where a central part of the experience is the jagged reckoning with all the different preferences for play that people have, forcing them into dialogue with one another, negotiating peaces, mustering for war, or enjoying the contentment of having something to do with your hands while you stare at a strange new horizon. A future that pure is probably wishful thinking, but itGÇÖs been a long time since an online shooter gave me reason to think wishfully.

I'm not controlling anybody's opinions, I'm explaining a simple fact - having a scenic but mechanically inert bar to stand in and talk to each other wouldn't add anything to roleplaying. If we want our character to go drinking with his friends, we can do that already in a chat channel with a bit of imagination, usually while actually doing something else clean across the game that's actually profitable.

So all that the ability to enter the actual virtual space would do for us would be to remove the ability to do something else while simultaneously RPing being in a bar.

That bit is solid fact - we already RP going to bars via text chat, adding an actual bar wouldn't increase the availability of bar-based RP, and would limit our ability to do other stuff at the same time.

Everything after that point, where I call for mechanical features that would be attractive and a good springboard for RP? That's all my opinion and was never painted as anything other than.

3-4K regular players

Logical101, your argument seems to depend on the assumption that CCP will always underdeliver on anything WiS related due to their first shaky steps in its implementation.

Maybe you're right, but I'm a firm believer that history repeats itself.

How the heck can you state that, in terms of RP, someone who is in just a text channel, "imagining" he's in a bar with the other people in the chat channel, is the same, as actually a built environment that is a bar, and having those same people in there, chatting the same thing?

Because an imaginary bar is the same thing as an imaginary bar.

Whether the bar in question is described in the MotD of your in-character channel of choice, or is a virtual space you can walk around is academic - both environments are equally fictitious. It's the difference between reading the book and seeing the movie - no matter which you enjoy more, you're still sitting down and still experiencing essentially the same narrative.

If they try to develop a new drug, and it effs up, they dont abandon it. Millions were already sunk in to it. They go back and work on it.

It's simply good business.

Which explains why we have atmospheric flight in EVE, right?

They went back and kept working on it, because money was invested. It's also why people are playing World of Darkness, right? Because money was invested. It's why all those CCP jobs in Georgia are secure, right?