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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:35:00 -
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So I see that because the high sec bears have lost the isk/hr argument they have now moved onto all of the old arguments of "forcing me ito null".
We dont care where you chose to live, what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing.
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Z'zauoe Euopaeqorua
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:39:00 -
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Game might lose few sims build your own space POS type of players, but I think it would gain more people who like action. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4088
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:12:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So I see that because the high sec bears have lost the isk/hr argument they have now moved onto all of the old arguments of "forcing me ito null".
We dont care where you chose to live, what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing.
There was only ever one argument. The one you are trying to have with CCP after they corrected the payouts in null. But they're not biting and the rest of us are just pointing out what fools you are.
Mr Epeen 
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2365
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:22:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:baltec1 wrote:So I see that because the high sec bears have lost the isk/hr argument they have now moved onto all of the old arguments of "forcing me ito null".
We dont care where you chose to live, what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. There was only ever one argument. The one you are trying to have with CCP after they corrected the payouts in null. But they're not biting and the rest of us are just pointing out what fools you are. Mr Epeen
No, you're claiming that they want to drive people into null so they can kill them.
Which is pretty much disqualified by your statement above, so which is it?
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Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
111
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing.
Naga + old guristas forsaken hubs were a great source of income. Do you know why ccp added frigates? I'm just asking.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
482
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:26:00 -
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admiral root wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Even when given specific and precise information the forum trolls choose to ignore it so they may continue to try and win their argument. Can you point to a post in this thread with some of this "specific and precise" information, please?
This would be another example...Do your own work ....I am not neither your Mom nor your Dad, and I certainly am not choosing you to raise as my own. I wiped my last brats azz years ago.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2365
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:28:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:admiral root wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Even when given specific and precise information the forum trolls choose to ignore it so they may continue to try and win their argument. Can you point to a post in this thread with some of this "specific and precise" information, please? This would be another example...Do your own work ....I am not neither your Mom nor your Dad, and I certainly am not choosing you to raise as my own. I wiped my last brats azz years ago.
You say that because it doesn't exist. You've never actually done anything, just claimed that it exists, without proving that it does.
Ergo, it doesn't, and you're lying.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4091
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:38:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:baltec1 wrote:So I see that because the high sec bears have lost the isk/hr argument they have now moved onto all of the old arguments of "forcing me ito null".
We dont care where you chose to live, what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. There was only ever one argument. The one you are trying to have with CCP after they corrected the payouts in null. But they're not biting and the rest of us are just pointing out what fools you are. Mr Epeen No, you're claiming that they want to drive people into null so they can kill them. Which is pretty much disqualified by your statement above, so which is it? Kaarous pls
Mr Epeen
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2365
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:39:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Kaarous pls Mr Epeen
Are you going to say that every time I point out that you're acting like a fool?
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
482
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:40:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Guttripper wrote:144 page thread and I have yet to see a blue tag attached to this thread. Safe to assume CCP does not see an issue with any of the imbalances people here are presenting for right or wrong? Even with an economist on their staff, apparently the faucets, rewards, risks, sinks, and any other choice words people use must all gel into a form CCP finds acceptable. I think CCP is trying to avoid a topic as polarized as this. It'd be nice to know what CCP thinks of this though.
It doesnt seem to me they avoided anything. They nerfed null-sec. Even with the nerf like you I am not leaving null to go live in hi-sec. Why? Because the iskies are in Null.
Yes isk can be made in hi-sec..just not as much for the same effort and hi-sec is boring.
Once more no one is stopping me or you or anyone else from playing in amy part of the sandbox.
You guys are like bastard cats that wants to live in your very own CCP built sand castles with all the amenities except a toilet..... for that you want to go take your shat in someone else part of the sandbox.
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ashley Eoner
274
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:41:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:admiral root wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:So by that logic we would also include trading in all the empire market hubs as part of that income. In which case there is still an imbalance overall. If you see it as an "imbalance" that people trade in Jita, I'm not sure what to tell you. At this point I think you have lost your grips on the term "balance." That's not what he said. He said more people trade in Highsec, and it's thus imbalanced. So yes, he did say that. What he said was that if YOU want to compare EVERY nullsec activity to EVERY highsec activity in terms of ISK/hr, then there is still an imbalance. Again why we segmented the activities out. Now that we've established this imbalance, what do you suggest be done to resolve it?
This is a problem created by the players. There's a LOT of isk made in nullsec when you add up all the sources of revenue. It's just the leaders of the various alliances have decided that most of those sources of revenue are going to be spent on wars. Being able to fight in those wars is part of the benefits of being in nullsec that you don't get in highsec (also bigger ships and other things). If they increase nullsec income it'll just be gobbled up by the corps to feed their war machine.
That's why the only way I can think of increasing individual income is via a LP mechanic. That way you create a source of extra income without making it a faucet and in the process of redeeming the LP you end up with an added sink. The sink aspect of LP is probably why CCP doesn't seem to worried about blitzers because they see blitzers as a strong sink. Since they aren't collecting much in bounties when they do it right.
Otherwise I'm participating in a NERF HIGHSEC BECAUSE TEH GRASS MIGHT BE GREENER IN SOME ASPECT!! thread.
I've been too committed to work and school to play much this week so I haven't gotten any testing in. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
482
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:44:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:baltec1 wrote:So I see that because the high sec bears have lost the isk/hr argument they have now moved onto all of the old arguments of "forcing me ito null".
We dont care where you chose to live, what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. There was only ever one argument. The one you are trying to have with CCP after they corrected the payouts in null. But they're not biting and the rest of us are just pointing out what fools you are. Mr Epeen
Lol this sums it up spot on. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
10108
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:47:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:baltec1 wrote:what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. Naga + old guristas forsaken hubs were a great source of income. Do you know why ccp added frigates? I'm just asking.
Give me a reason to run anoms for 70 mil when I can run high sec level 4s for over 100 mil.
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
454
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:49:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:baltec1 wrote:So I see that because the high sec bears have lost the isk/hr argument they have now moved onto all of the old arguments of "forcing me ito null".
We dont care where you chose to live, what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. There was only ever one argument. The one you are trying to have with CCP after they corrected the payouts in null. But they're not biting and the rest of us are just pointing out what fools you are. Mr Epeen
So true.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
482
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:50:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:admiral root wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Even when given specific and precise information the forum trolls choose to ignore it so they may continue to try and win their argument. Can you point to a post in this thread with some of this "specific and precise" information, please? This would be another example...Do your own work ....I am not neither your Mom nor your Dad, and I certainly am not choosing you to raise as my own. I wiped my last brats azz years ago. You say that because it doesn't exist. You've never actually done anything, just claimed that it exists, without proving that it does. Ergo, it doesn't, and you're lying.
No I say this because it true. You guys love to argue and will argue over the most obtuse detail. None of it to better the game or contribute but only in an attempt to win an argument or get the last word in before the lock.
I have said it before and its worth repeating. Do a search for locked threads...look at how you and those forum trolls like you have posted. Look at the names and you will see a very clear discernable pattern. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2365
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Good Posting wrote:baltec1 wrote:what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. Naga + old guristas forsaken hubs were a great source of income. Do you know why ccp added frigates? I'm just asking. Give me a reason to run anoms for 70 mil when I can run high sec level 4s for over 100 mil.
"Grr Goons!" is the only reason I can think of.
That, and enough of the highsec forum warriors have been able to defend their golden goose over the years.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
111
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Good Posting wrote:baltec1 wrote:what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. Naga + old guristas forsaken hubs were a great source of income. Do you know why ccp added frigates? I'm just asking. Give me a reason to run anoms for 70 mil when I can run high sec level 4s for over 100 mil.
First, i don't live in hi sec and i don't care how much money they can make, so i don't know the answer for that. If that is true, i still prefer to live where i am.
Second, i asked a simple question because i'm curious, nothing more.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
"Grr Goons!" is the only reason I can think of.
I never said grr goons basically because i don't care how others play eve. I simply play my game.
Another good reason is because i was in grr goons before being a lone wolf, so i find your comment a bit stupid. Youare a good forum parrot tho. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
454
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Good Posting wrote:baltec1 wrote:what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. Naga + old guristas forsaken hubs were a great source of income. Do you know why ccp added frigates? I'm just asking. Give me a reason to run anoms for 70 mil when I can run high sec level 4s for over 100 mil.
Because then you have one less pilot in nullsec where you need it in case something happens. More pilots are always better. You can fly a wider variety of ships, you can use them to scout, etc.
At best you could use a jump clone, but those have a timer. It's always better to have pilots on hand. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
482
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:01:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:Good Posting wrote:baltec1 wrote:what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. Naga + old guristas forsaken hubs were a great source of income. Do you know why ccp added frigates? I'm just asking. Give me a reason to run anoms for 70 mil when I can run high sec level 4s for over 100 mil. "Grr Goons!" is the only reason I can think of. That, and enough of the highsec forum warriors have been able to defend their golden goose over the years.
LOL I am not defending anything except maybe not wanting to see the game ruined by forum trolls who think they cant be wrong and think they know whats best for everyone including CCP.
I live in null and earn in null but I can see that no of us here are qualified to say what should or should not be done to the EVE economy because none of us have access to the tools or the data CCP use.
Most of all those people arguing only to prove they cant be wrong. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1040
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:04:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:That's why the only way I can think of increasing individual income is via a LP mechanic. That way you create a source of extra income without making it a faucet and in the process of redeeming the LP you end up with an added sink. The sink aspect of LP is probably why CCP doesn't seem to worried about blitzers because they see blitzers as a strong sink. Since they aren't collecting much in bounties when they do it right.
This is precisely what I've been advocating. I also agree with La Nariz that if implemented it should be CONCORD LP so that the most lucrative items are available.
I'd also like to get more info from Mara Rinn about his idea of making LP items via NullSec industry as well. Based on this discussion as a whole it would seem they need some help in that regard as well and I'm curious what benefit that would be to make NullSec more livable for individual line members/grunts.
Aslo Ashley as far as the working thing - we do what we have to do so we can do what we want to do. 
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
10108
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:07:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:baltec1 wrote:Good Posting wrote:baltec1 wrote:what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. Naga + old guristas forsaken hubs were a great source of income. Do you know why ccp added frigates? I'm just asking. Give me a reason to run anoms for 70 mil when I can run high sec level 4s for over 100 mil. First, i don't live in hi sec and i don't care how much money they can make, so i don't know the answer for that. If that is true, i still prefer to live where i am. Second, i asked a simple question because i'm curious, nothing more.
The latest nerf was to try and get us to use the ESS. Its failed and made a bad situation even worse.
The fact that high sec is more rewarding that the likes of null is very bad for this game. So again, where is the logic in having the best isk/hr pve in the safest area of space?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4092
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:11:00 -
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CCP seriously nerfed salvaging - we got over it.
CCP seriously nerfed data core farming - we got over it.
But one little nerf to one little thing in null and all hell breaks loose.
Aich tee eff you and get over it.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
10108
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:12:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:baltec1 wrote:Good Posting wrote:baltec1 wrote:what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. Naga + old guristas forsaken hubs were a great source of income. Do you know why ccp added frigates? I'm just asking. Give me a reason to run anoms for 70 mil when I can run high sec level 4s for over 100 mil. Because then you have one less pilot in nullsec where you need it in case something happens. More pilots are always better. You can fly a wider variety of ships, you can use them to scout, etc. At best you could use a jump clone, but those have a timer. It's always better to have pilots on hand.
We use an alt. Our mains never leave null.
So there is no reason at all to run anoms over high sec level 4s.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:14:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:CCP seriously nerfed salvaging - we got over it. CCP seriously nerfed data core farming - we got over it. But one little nerf to one little thing in null and all hell breaks loose. Aich tee eff you and get over it. Mr Epeen
You didn't get over it when the MTU made it a bad idea to use drones set to aggressive while afk.
Instead, highsec as a whole cried and cried until CCP backpedaled and "fixed" it.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
482
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Good Posting wrote:baltec1 wrote:Good Posting wrote:baltec1 wrote:what we want is for null anoms to be worth doing. Naga + old guristas forsaken hubs were a great source of income. Do you know why ccp added frigates? I'm just asking. Give me a reason to run anoms for 70 mil when I can run high sec level 4s for over 100 mil. First, i don't live in hi sec and i don't care how much money they can make, so i don't know the answer for that. If that is true, i still prefer to live where i am. Second, i asked a simple question because i'm curious, nothing more. The latest nerf was to try and get us to use the ESS. Its failed and made a bad situation even worse. The fact that high sec is more rewarding that the likes of null is very bad for this game. So again, where is the logic in having the best isk/hr pve in the safest area of space?
If this were in fact true and its always been this way....How in the HELL has this game made it this far? If the balance of hi-sec to null is so frign bad and ruining the game as you claim....how are we even still here to argue about it??
I will place my trust in CCP and their staff (including their economist with a degree) to do whats best for the game as a whole not whats best for the individual. Unless I start seeing things being whispered in the ears of devs in happy bars.
Will not be placing my trust or faith in the ideas of self serving forum trolls. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4092
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:18:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:CCP seriously nerfed salvaging - we got over it. CCP seriously nerfed data core farming - we got over it. But one little nerf to one little thing in null and all hell breaks loose. Aich tee eff you and get over it. Mr Epeen You didn't get over it when the MTU made it a bad idea to use drones set to aggressive while afk. Instead, highsec as a whole cried and cried until CCP backpedaled and "fixed" it.
Kaarous pls
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2365
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:21:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:CCP seriously nerfed salvaging - we got over it. CCP seriously nerfed data core farming - we got over it. But one little nerf to one little thing in null and all hell breaks loose. Aich tee eff you and get over it. Mr Epeen You didn't get over it when the MTU made it a bad idea to use drones set to aggressive while afk. Instead, highsec as a whole cried and cried until CCP backpedaled and "fixed" it. Kaarous pls Mr Epeen
I accept your surrender. Am I not merciful?
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
10110
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:30:00 -
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Their economist did not push for this to happen. The problem is that for years CCP have nerfed null income for many reasons ( most with the aim of driving conflict) but they did not nerf high sec to keep the areas balanced.
CCP have got it wrong many many times and its starting to become a running habbit where we tell them there is a problem, they ignore it, we then abuse whatever is imbalanced and then CCP fix it because they cant ignore it. The latest such example is drone assist.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
482
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:40:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:What effect does that have on personal income and please provide the data to support that relevancy. I explained that in the post you just quoted. You can't even dock up in null without sov. If you think doesn't have an effect on income, you are insane. And that's just one of the effects. Pinky, I think your missing the driver behind this discussion. [u][i][b]People live in Null. These people, not people living in highsec but the people living in Null, are making their PVE income in HighSec because that is more lucrative than making money (again through PVE) in NullSec. The data that has been provided supports this claim.
The data? from CCP? Because thats the only data that means anything. |
ashley Eoner
275
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:44:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:That's why the only way I can think of increasing individual income is via a LP mechanic. That way you create a source of extra income without making it a faucet and in the process of redeeming the LP you end up with an added sink. The sink aspect of LP is probably why CCP doesn't seem to worried about blitzers because they see blitzers as a strong sink. Since they aren't collecting much in bounties when they do it right. This is precisely what I've been advocating. I also agree with La Nariz that if implemented it should be CONCORD LP so that the most lucrative items are available. I'd also like to get more info from Mara Rinn about his idea of making LP items via NullSec industry. Based on this discussion as a whole it would seem they need some help in that regard as well and I'm curious what benefit that would be to make NullSec more livable for individual line members/grunts. Also Ashley as far as the working thing - we do what we have to do so we can do what we want to do. I mentioned a LP reward concept like 30 something pages ago so you're not alone on this.
Concord LP would be a good general LP allowing for flexibility in redeeming. I fear what CCP would come up with if they decided to create a new LP for nullsec. ALthough if they did it right a nullsec LP would have potential. |
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