However forcing them to PvP is not likely to encourage more than the occasional person to stay longer.

Good thing nobody's suggesting anything of the sort.

I want to introduce more risk into their lives.

Make wardecs generate killrights on anyone who leaves corp during a war. That'll do for starters.

Competing games will get a hundred of thousands new players.

Well that's not really true is it? Seeing as a lot of accounts are just alts. I personally know someone with 11 alt accounts making a total of 12 for just ONE person.

What kind of nerf could possibly be introduced to highsec? POCOs in high was made as a way to get people interested in pvping in highsec for territory... from what I've seen though the same groups of organised pirates or whatever went in and stomped everything and took it all for themselves. The same people are benefitting from these changes as they were before and still there is no incentive for highsec people to group together and do something meaningful.

I suggest everyone read the minutes again - carefully this time - this kind of topic is discussed. By hamstringing highsec players that aren't already involved in pvp you accelerate their rate of decline.

In my mind if you want to nerf highsec: cut the number of highsec systems to 80. That's 20 systems per empire, take all ex-HS systems and make them lowsec. Null is a huge wasteland already so it can just stay stagnant. Noone cares anyway.

Lowsec contains 8% of the game population and accounts for 24% of all kills in the universe. Giving a bit more room and fewer ******** chokepoints should be considered. If you want people to play in the sandbox might I recommend not throwing sand in their eyes before they climb in?

Trit. Among so many other reasons.

Hello.

My prediction: Suddenly EVE becomes much more fun, and a better game in general.

Bots are no longer worthwhile as they make easy targets for PvPers.
The EVE economy becomes dominated by intelligent humans, not machines or "bot aspirant" grinders.

Due to the rapid deflation of the market, low and nullsec players find it much easier to use ingame methods to make ISK
(as their main competition, the botting/multiboxing afk/semi afk hisec players' advantage has been nullified.)

Solo and small gang pvp can now be found in abundance as there are targets and organisations of varying sizes everywhere.

Politics and the metagame get a lot deeper as even PvE focused gamers would have to consider how other players affect their gameplay.


What are your thoughts on what would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec?

Edit:

Hold on a minute guys, I'm getting a lot of replies about how the hisec PvE population will quit.

To me, this doesn't make much sense. There are many other games with a much more focused, sophisticated PVE experience.

Why would many PvE gamers play a game that doesn't have much PvE content?

Can't you have an intelligent one?

So there are no veldspar roids in null?

Why are very young people so obsessed with 'intelligence'?

Once you are about 25 or so, you will realize that being a 'nice' person is far more important.

They're both important, but I wouldn't say being nice is more so.
Unless the lack of said entity's niceness lead to the destruction of intelligence, but then we're still considering the preservation and cultivation of intelligence (and of course other things like knowledge) the primary goals.

Intelligence is darn interesting, I'd say it's worth an enormous amount.

In fact, it may be one of the most important things in the universe.

Its a question of scale. We can supply the high ends just fine but we dont have the numbers to mine enough low ends, these need to be imported.

When we add the cost of importing low ends along with the costs of transporting our minerals to a refinery (which is worse than high sec) then to a production outpost or POS costs and then transport the product to the market we end up with much higher costs.

And this is before we add on the costs of the outposts, system upgrades....

High sec has near zero costs so they will always beat null, low and WH industry on price which is why we simply import everything we need from high sec, its cheaper.

But be serious man! You can not just nerf niceness without also buffing intelligence!

Its a question of scale. We can supply the high ends just fine but we dont have the numbers to mine enough low ends, these need to be imported.

Its a question of scale.

we dont have the numbers to mine enough low ends

And this is before we add on the costs of the outposts, system upgrades and POS.

High sec has near zero costs

Instead of suicide-ganking and scamming them, have you considered recruiting the very hi sec miners you target? Perhaps we have found a use for these 'pubbies' in your game?

Psh.

Have you ever actually tried dealing with those freaking people? Believe me on this one, because I've been doing this since Ultima Online(although I was a lot better at it back then, that game was awesome).

But some people will always be little better than food. It's not the wolves who make them into sheep.

Translation: No I cba to actually DO something about whatever it is I am complaining about.

Oh? Well, since I'm sure you bothered to read what I was replying to, why don't you tell me your thoughts on the matter?

Oh? Well, since I'm sure you bothered to read what I was replying to, why don't you tell me your thoughts on the matter?

With a large corp or alliance you should be able to field a mining fleet in low/null.

If you are willing to put the effort into it you can help the miners from HS to make the transition. Yes, it will require work, but it could even save you ISK since you mine directly to the corp instead of buying it in HS. The reduced cost could even pay for he protection of the fleet. From what I can tell, you should also have sufficient ship to launch a fair size fleet should they be attacked, which means you save even more money.

I guess that there are several solo miners in NPC corps who might be willing to join you. (Me being one of them.)

Instead of mocking the "carebears", help them make the transition.

But in this game actions have consequences.

It rather elegantly highlights their hypocrisy.

Instead of organizing ops to mine the trit they claim to be short on, or properly recruiting low-end miners, you know, instead of scamming, killing and mocking them for being useless whiny 'pubbies' , they themselves whine to CCP to have the game mechanics changed.

It could very well be that attempting to recruit hi sec miners is a difficult task. But you know what doesn't help? Their grief campaigns against them for cheap lulz (remember "jihadswarm"?). Ever heard of the saying "you reap what you sow"? They've made their bed, but now they don't want to lie on it. But in this game actions have consequences.

Instead of organizing ops to mine the trit they claim to be short on, or properly recruiting low-end miners, you know, instead of scamming, killing and mocking them for being useless whiny 'pubbies' , they themselves whine to CCP to have the game mechanics changed.

It could very well be that attempting to recruit hi sec miners is a difficult task. But you know what doesn't help? Their grief campaigns against them for cheap lulz (remember "jihadswarm"?). Ever heard of the saying "you reap what you sow"? They've made their bed, but now they don't want to lie on it. But in this game actions have consequences.

So yes. Some buffs are needed to outposts. But thats is only minor problem. Major problem why null industry sucks is on the shoulders of you alliance management, because they sucks in developing sustainable environment for null industry, and supply chains.

Not really.

The miners sell their ore to... somebody, lol. I wonder if they really know who?

As for "wanting game mechanics changed", idk where that's actually being discussed. Most of what I've been hearing is that nullsec industry cannot compete because outposts can't match the refine and research capabilities of highsec.

Trit *might* be part of that, but I genuinely doubt it.

That's the thing, though.

It's genuinely easier to just buy things off the open market. It doesn't matter to nullsec players whether miners hate them or not. Because the miners truly don't matter to them one way or another.

Because the miners truly don't matter to them one way or another.

But this is really what it is all about, isn't it....? You do really don't give a flying F***.

Except oddly enough, you care enough to complain on the forums.