And how will screenshots of our wallets show us how much LP we earned? How will they show how many mission we have run? Or how long they took? Or how much time we spent in warp?

Wallet screenshots are useless. But please, feel free to hit null sec and run anoms.

If we were not having fun our corp would not have lived in null space for the last 7 years.

Point remaisn you do not need to go to 0.0 for pvp. Peopel go for 0.0 for isk making! Even your advertisement says that!

No they are not. because a wallet screenshot of journal will show all money that you gained in X hours. Then you summ with the incomes you PROVE you made trought again wallet journal of sales of the LP.

It doe not matter how much time you spent in Warp. All that matter is How much money you can make in 1 day playing. Only that... everything else is crap talk!

All the values you are trying to throw are lies and unsustainable for reasonable periods of time, and n either you can sell stuff for the LP price you suggest (except on first weeks of new faction ships or module introduced). The highest HS LP income is from nomad sets and they sell like 1 per day in all high sec!

Btw.. lol goons whining because they are too risk adverse for 0.0 PVE.. lol great overlords you are... that doe snto sound well for your renter program.. if you cannot even protect yourself...

Personally if you eliminated PVP from .6 and higher space, I would have no complaints

Just to keep people joining the thread updated on the current state of affairs.

Goons: "omg omg you can theoretically with luck and assumptions make 110mil ISK/hour in hisec, my average null income is only 150m/hour NERF HISEC"
Voice of Reason: "Why do you compare maximum hisec ISK/hour with average nullsec ISK/hour? Want us to tell you how much maximum nullsec ISK/hour you can make theoretically with luck and assumptions?"
Goons: "But hisec *goon personal attack generator* are making ISK! HISEC SHOULD MAKE 50% OF NULLSEC ISK!".
Voice of Reason: "In that case hisec income needs to be buffed by about 100% to match 50% of nullsec."
Goons: "Millions of goons can't be wrong, because we're too cool to be wrong, means you're wrong. You're missing the point. HISEC DARES TO MAKE ISK! NERF HISEC!"

This has been going in circles every 7 pages or so.

if you believe that posted numbers are fake why would you believe wallet screens aren't photoshopped

When was the last time your fight made the international news? I have been in several.

When was the last time you not being in a fight would have made any difference to the outcome of the fight?

Quick pratical question.. if null sec woudl indeed pay less thanhigh sec.. why would be so many peopel paying a TONS of isk for your alliance so they can go rat in null sec?

The average income in high se cis NOWHERE near that. That is what you get at PEAK moments. Only SOE and Thukker tribe pay enough in LP to reach 100M isk per hour and their systems get LARGE ammount of suicide ganking. The realistic numbers are very close to the numbers of null sec, around 70 m

Continue trying to decieve people... not much to effect. Back in 2008 I did more isk per hour in 0.0 than I do now in high sec.

I should think you would want to do that anyway. It is relevant to the study. During that interruption you are making 0 ISK/hr and I would hope you would make note of that. ESS or not because it is relevant.

I imagine nerfing hisec pve, already a haven of wardeccers, suiciders and scammers, would have the same results as nerfing nullsec pve elements. If anything, hisec needs faster concord response times and greater security lose for industrial/barge suiciding. Training for a billion isk ship that can get melted by 50 million isk of ships with concord heavily in system and the only recourse is kill rights against people who have either been biomassed for the next suiciding dessie pilot or gone into 0.0 to boost their security back up for next months suicide-gank is lop-sided.

CCP does need to figure out something. suiciders (and bumper bullies) telling players to **** off and leave eve or go to 0.0 to avoid being harassed is a ****** solution.

Yes, of course i'm posting on a forum alt...

everyone not a goonie is a goonie alt.


Let Concord pod suicide gankers and boost security penalties for targeting non-war/suspect marauders, capital industrials, industrials, freighters, and barge/exumers to podding penalty levels. They're costing someone deeply, let the punishment be considerable as well.

You can see two interruptions occurring in my notes. One where a blops gang stayed around our space and another where I had to ensure an AFK cloaker was truly AFK. You also run into the problem of others living in the space not finishing their anomalies or screwing something else up which interferes with your own ability to run the sites. Something that cannot easily happen to mission runners.

Link for those who haven't seen it:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing

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If anything, hisec needs faster concord response times and greater security lose for industrial/barge suiciding. Training for a billion isk ship that can get melted by 50 million isk of ships with concord heavily in system and the only recourse is kill rights against people who have either been biomassed for the next suiciding dessie pilot or gone into 0.0 to boost their security back up for next months suicide-gank is lop-sided.

CCP does need to figure out something. suiciders (and bumper bullies) telling players to **** off and leave eve or go to 0.0 to avoid being harassed is a ****** solution.
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Let Concord pod suicide gankers and boost security penalties for targeting non-war/suspect marauders, capital industrials, industrials, freighters, and barge/exumers to podding penalty levels. They're costing someone deeply, let the punishment be considerable as well.

I was thinking about that this morning before going to work. Living in HS, I can log on at any time and make ISK, not ridiculous amounts (due to my inexperience with blitzing and an overtanked hull) but I can make ISK any time that isn't downtime. Residents in NS don't necessarily have that luxury. Tell me, when you logged off for that first interruption, what did you do?

My money is on logging on a HS alt to make money.

For the morons that claim its all made up:

http://i.imgur.com/sAqAMYh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fmBnweZ.png

Screen shots of wallet proof with times, try again highsec pubbies.

Wow, screenshots from a goon.
A goon, a group that prides itself on deceit and subterfuge.
Yes, I am sure that anything you post is 100% accurate.

This whole concept of you trying to "prove" that null sec sucks compared to high sec, is a joke.
CCP can look at their own internal logs and databases and see what the truth is.

As I said before, CCP has already made whatever decisions they have for the summer release.
I am certain that high sec is facing a massive nerf already in May /June.

Why can't you just shut up until then?

That would be their next call.

Wow, screenshots from a goon.
A goon, a group that prides itself on deceit and subterfuge.
Yes, I am sure that anything you post is 100% accurate.

It's funny that you keep on asking them to prove your (baseless) assertions wrong, then rejecting them because they're coming from the people you're asking.

You really are a joke.

So basically you have plenty of repressed "grr goons" and its preventing you from visiting nullsec because.

Wow, screenshots from a goon.
A goon, a group that prides itself on deceit and subterfuge.
Yes, I am sure that anything you post is 100% accurate.

This whole concept of you trying to "prove" that null sec sucks compared to high sec, is a joke.
CCP can look at their own internal logs and databases and see what the truth is.

As I said before, CCP has already made whatever decisions they have for the summer release.
I am certain that high sec is facing a massive nerf already in May /June.

Why can't you just shut up until then?

CCP does need to figure out something. suiciders (and bumper bullies) telling players to **** off and leave eve or go to 0.0 to avoid being harassed is a ****** solution.

You can but is HARD to keep that level. Specially because you are MORE likely to get ganked in the good high sec mission systems than in 0.0. Yes you ARE , i lived in 0.0 and if you are nto drunk and have an alliance with average IQ over 50 that can use chats you will not loose anything.


0.0 is much easier to casually make a lot of isk. HIgh sec you can achieve high income but with a much more specialized and tunned approach.

Unless the best LP you can get between four empires is below 1000/lp, the ESS returns equal to no ESS the second you drop it. And if the best LP you can get is above 1000/lp, then you show an immediate profit.
If you then sit an alt at the ESS (You know, that Cyno alt that can't rat because of system density issues, which I do agree is an issue, but you will always have some alts who can't rat, and the higher the system density the faster the ESS gains it's buffs so the more you gain via it anyway), and spam the share all button every opportunity you get, you show an immediate 20% profit above no ESS.
If you actually manage to leverage the ESS to make maximum profit, you are showing a 30% profit above no ESS, (Assuming 95% start 125% end) assuming you can't make use of the LP market to find something extra profitable. If you are able to leverage the LP market to make a real profit on the LP, say, 2000/lp, then you are at 50% above no ESS.

In short, with the revised stats on the ESS, assuming the ESS isn't bugged (Since we can't allow for bugs), it's very hard to not gain overall income from it unless you are getting camped so often they keep blowing it up as soon as you drop one. Exactly how much depends on if you loose them regularly, and if you manage to tick them I agree, but you should be showing at least 20% more than the given figures before we take bonus LP profit into account.

And since you are taking the best LP possible in high sec as the 'average high sec' figure, when anyone with a brain knows that's not sustainable since the more profit seekers who chase the high LP, the lower it's going to drop. We can take the best LP when looking at the ESS options also.