people bitched about the astero and the stratios and the ship suffered it by nerfing them to field 4 drones, now the worm gets pigeonholed to a practically hybrid weapon damage hole for its missiles and to compensate they nerf its bandwidth to use 2 overpowered drones......that isnt better either.....

at least change the missile bonus, if you're gonna **** it so much, give it hybrid damage bonuses and put it 2 turret hardpoints and kill the damn missile stuff already, it will still be limited to kinetic/thermal anyways, why bother..

suddenly people doing L4s in a rattlesnake with only 2 sentries.......and only with kinetic/thermal ammo

Thats unheated. Also, with drones it gets another 40 dps.

If you do get scrammed, you can empty the cap of most frigates in 5-10s.

If we get what I'm [not-so-secretly] hoping for, the Rattler will become a non-sentry drone platform! ^^;

If we get what I'm [not-so-secretly] hoping for, the Rattler will become a non-sentry drone platform! ^^;

Most interesting suggestion I've heard on this one is giving Angel ships warp speeds of a class down - Dram warps like an inty, Cynabal warps like a frigate, Mach warps like a cruiser.

Ignore the worm's damage bonus to missiles. I mean seriously. It does not have it now, it's not hurting you to have it later... there is no need for the hate. CCP obviously likes the specific damage bonuses on missles, its only a few missile ships that get ROF instead of a Kin or Exp bonus.

This has happened before. Swarms of drones caused issues, and now we have bandwidth and drone limits. Get over it. This is probably just a proof of concept to do this more globally. Honestly at some point I expect the dronebay to turn into some kind of weird fitting screen where drone 'modules' get installed, and drones themselves become purely client side graphic effects that basically behave ship turrets with an AI control option.

About the Worm, i think some of you are missing the point, overpowered is not a synonym of fun.

The Worm should remain a shield tanked frigate(Caldari) with 5/10 drones(Gallente), balance the ship bonus around this.

About the Worm, i think some of you are missing the point, overpowered is not a synonym of fun.

The Worm should remain a shield tanked frigate(Caldari) with 5/10 drones(Gallente), balance the ship bonus around this.

Fun is subjective, for instance, drones with greater survivability would be more fun for me, which is what the current worm proposal gives.

Fun is subjective, for instance, drones with greater survivability would be more fun for me, which is what the current worm proposal gives.

Isn't a theme of "two powerful drones" basically saying "make a drone assist fleet based on these"

About the Worm, i think some of you are missing the point, overpowered is not a synonym of fun.

The Worm should remain a shield tanked frigate(Caldari) with 5/10 drones(Gallente), balance the ship bonus around this.

5/10 drones with better survivability would work, their is no need to have two super mega brutal drones of doom on the Worm.

But after the changes come Worm will remain a shield tanked frigate(Caldari) with 8/20 scout drones(Gallente). What is the unfun part about the balancing pass you keep talking about?

and i was expecting to get a rattlesnake for my missions, guess i'll have to save for a nestor instead....if not a nightmare.....

5/10 drones with better survivability would work, their is no need to have two super mega brutal drones of doom on the Worm.

5/10 drones with better survivability would work, their is no need to have two super mega brutal drones of doom on the Worm.

What the balls are you doing to the Worm? What role is it filling? 50% damage bonus to TWO launchers?!

What happened? You all did spectacular on T1 frigates, you made T1 cruisers across the board useable. What changed at battlecruisers? Why didn't anyone notice the change at battleships? Why all of this super experimental crap? Why? Look, if you want Gurista ships to also bother with fitting missiles- you're going to need to give them at least one more launcher across the board, in addition to a damage bonus like that. Either that, or bump up that to a 100-125% damage bonus to these two damage types with two launchers, or 75%, or SOMETHING. Literally the only change I agree with for the Worm is the addition of PG and CPU- that'll at least open up new sorts of fits.

To anybody complaining about the Worm.

Stop.


Full stop.

Run the numbers on it first before you complain. Think about what its going to be like using faction drones on your pirate shipo, or rather don't think and let me tell you what its going to be like:

Augmented Warriors

Shield -464 (dd5 580)
Armor -692 (dd5 865)
Structure -1040 (dd5 1300)

2196 (dd5 2745) total hp and Damage output per drone, 24 kinetic and 40 explosive every 4 seconds.(skills will bring this to 30/50 at max)

Republic Fleet Warriors

Shield -616 (dd5 770)
Armor -920 (dd5 1150)
Structure-576 (dd5 720)

2112 (dd5 2640) Total Hp and Damage output per drone, 60 explosive damage every 4 seconds. (Skills will bring this up to 75 at max)


Those are serious can's of whup ass. You have drones with the hit points of a frigate who punch extremely hard. You are effectively getting 8 drones worth of damage from 2 drones, and if you're engaged in one on one combat with another frigate, he'd be insane to go after your drones because it has two thousand hit points.

He would essentially have to kill you 6 times if he tried to kill off your drones first (once for each of your 5 drones and then once for you).

You should literally have zero complaints about that ship, its nothing short of amazing. Even for PVE, its absolutely amazing, as the drones will tank like a boss. In fact each of your light drones will have nearly twice the Hit points of its relative Heavy drone counterpart (above example - Beserker II has 1459 hp).

Let that sink in for a bit and think about what they're offering you in the new and 100% improved Worm.

EDIT: Drone Durability 5 will raise those totals by about 500 each, Damage totals will also go up 25% more as well

allow the ship to have an upper lvl flight of drones, worm: 5 lights or 5 meds, gila (as it does right now): 5 mediums, 5 lights and even 5 heavies/sentries, Rattlesnake: 5 lights, medium, heavies or sentries......

this can be achieved by just doubling the dronebay and the bandwidth of the worm, so its 50/50, no need change its missile bonuses, maybe give it a bonus of tracking and speed so you dont have to put aditional modules or buff its missile capabilities by giving it a 25% damage bonus to missiles, not really much of a buff......

Am I just completely math-tarded (totally a possibility) or is a 300% (or 3x) multiplier to drone damage applied to two drones the equivalent of six un-bonused drones, not 8?

IDK if I'm just doing it wrong, but I get 6x unbonused drones' worth of DPS from the Worm's two drones vs 6.25x un-bonused drones' worth of damage from a 5-drone ship with a 5%/level (25%) damage bonus. How are you getting your 8 drones' worth of damage?