CCP don't like proper split weapons ships for some reason.

the problem here is that the idea of Rise is to make them full drone users and take out the bonus to missiles, i think it would make more sense to give them a unique role with drones, and increase their missile bonus, make them shine with one or the other, or both......not make it yet another drone boat...

its for a damn good reason...

its called training time.

you need to double the training time when you have split weapon systems...

Personally i would go either all missiles or all drones...

I really think those small drones need a velocity bonus and tracking bonus to make it a really nasty ship...

Pretty much, except for a quite theoretical paper scenario. But that's not the point. If someone wants to do it why not let them? In order for there to be good choices there also must be poor choices. Or questionable choices. Or indeed edge-case hail-mary choices.

it's actually because you're a pleb

right when you have no real counter argument bring out the straw man... If you only had a brain...

Never flown a sansha, did you? Can't use AB long term cause it eats the cap u need for the lasers/shields. No second of cap to spend on AB in current config. So useless bonus without cap changes.

The worm got a damage buff for both missiles and drones. What are you talking about?

I love all these changes, buffs and nerfs alike. This is the happiest I've been with tiericide since the t1 cruiser changes.

edit: Especially the part about leaving Serpentis mostly alone, since they're the baseline other pirate ships should aim for.

stop shitposting

while i hope they do not touch serp web bonus i would not be at all suprised if they nerfed it to 7.5% per level making it 82.5% strong and not 90%

much like they did with the resist bonus which used to be the best bonus a ship could get.

I'm most interested around the Sansha ships as the Succubus and Phantasm are really really unpopular even compared to their Blood Raider and Gurista counterparts. This afterburner bonus is nice and adds something different, as especially paired with the huge buff to it's velocity will result in it achieving like 1500+ m/s. So even scrammed and webbed it'll still be doing 600 or so m/s.

that's still insanely powerful. try 40% normal webs, 50% serpentis webs.

Everything seems reasonable to me until I get this this bit...

... which just seems icky.

I would prefer to see 5 light drones fielded with a 150% modifier to drone HP and damage, which is roughly the same effect but somewhat more elegant and in keeping existing mechanics.

I am interested as to the reason for choosing a limited number of drones with a very high multiplier (which seems difficult to justify in any reasonable narrative). If it was because of concerns about server performance, I would argue that these concerns are unwarranted.

The Sansha need more work, why would anyone use a succubus when the Retribution is basically the same thing, but armor tanked?

How is the AB bonus that much inherently better than the MWD bonus?

You've given them a new bonus to speed, but no adjustments to their damage application, so now you're just going really fast and missing all the time.

Lasers are not the inherit bonus that they were designed to be, their range is decent but their damage is weak, and compared to rails there's no huge benefit to beams. Range isn't important enough of a factor in frigate warfare to warrant using beams when Scorch will do 90% of the work.

I don't see this making the Sansha line desirable. You'll still be caught by interceptors, or dramiels, you'll be out dps'ed and out tanked, so why bother?

another idea for the sanshas:

SUCCUBUS

Amarr Frigate Bonus:
7,5% bonus to Small Energy Turret tracking, optimal and falloff

Caldari Frigate Bonus:
7,5 bonus to tracking disruptor effectivenes and optimal range

Role Bonus:
100% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage


Slot layout: 3H, 5M, 2L ; 2 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 44 PWG(-14), 170 CPU(-5)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 650(+41) / 550(+6) / 540(+23)
Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 450(+15) / 210000 (-24375) / 2.14 (+.09)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 340(+53) / 3.5(-.35) / 965000 / 4.68s(-.4)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 32km / 650 / 5
Sensor strength: 13
Signature radius: 33(+2)

A couple more clarifications:
(...) And I've also seen at least one person say they thought we were done with damage type specific bonuses, and we are not. It's a nice tool to use in certain places.