In larger fleets, the 90% web is what allows dreads to hit ahacs. And frigates.

New ships, if my ship is OP then add new equals. People can vote with their feet (or their isk) buy the new "better balanced" ships or stick to the ones you like. No need to mess with what I fly to be fair to others, just give them something with comparable levels of benefits.

SUCCUBUS

Amarr Frigate Bonus:
20% bonus to Afterburner velocity bonus (was 5% energy turret damage)

Caldari Frigate Bonus:
7.5% bonus to Small Energy Turret tracking speed

You obviously have little experience flying dreads, signature resolution makes that a nearly impossible task. The hitting value is not determined just by the relative velocity and range it has to do with gun resolution and sig radius as well which makes hitting these ships with a dread hard even at 0 velocity. The other fact is that this is the medium sized warfare I was referring to, fights of less than 100-200 people where a smaller gang can operate and fight the larger gang using it's resources to it's advantage. Blap dreads are a highly effective way to counter numbers and comes with so many down sides to using that that they are no where near broken.

I am a major advocate for any and all mechanics that support quality over quantity in eve, blap dreads not only require expensive fits and a large amount of skill points but they require great teamwork and skilled pilots that know what they're doing.

Which is a poor approach to design. For a start that's power-creep right there. Second it leaves us with a lot of useless ships that no one wants to fly because they don't fit the new higher power-average. Hence, things get rebalanced. Get over it, it's not going to stop happening.

That is a very self serving attitude

Sorry, I think the worm needs major revision. In the least, the bonuses should aid the worm as a drone support ship. Give a bonus to repping and ewar drones instead of just damage. Hell, this could even give gurista a special niche as the only race where ewar drones are good. 2 bonus webbing drones could actually slow a target and not face a stacking penalty that renders the 4th and 5th drones useless.

2 light, 300% bonus = 8 effective (remember they already do 100% dmg before bonus :P)
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2 drones +300% = 2+6 (2=100% ->300%=6) for a total of 8 effective drones

ok since im having a hard time figuring out these numbers and how they stack, what would be the final afterburner bonus on a succubus for a fully skilled pilot using T2 AB?

I would imagine you would do similar to the Rattlesnake and Gila as you did the Worm, a 300% damage and HP buff to 2 drones. The problem for the Gila is medium drones generally suck DPS wise and are in dire need of a balance pass which could/would put the Gila in an awkward spot if it is balanced for use with medium drones before medium drones are re-done.
A similar situation for the Rattlesnake will come up as it is usually Sentries or bust with large drones.

ok since im having a hard time figuring out these numbers and how they stack, what would be the final afterburner bonus on a succubus for a fully skilled pilot using T2 AB?

How is suggesting everyone gets new better ships self serving?

the biggest problem Angels face is direct competition with other Minmatar ships

The market would adjust to their relative benefits. The old ships would come down in price giving people a cheaper alternative at a spec cost, the new ships could be balanced along the lines suggested now so no creep unless this rebalance is creep?

It makes it to about 2300m/s

Maybe im reading it wrong, but saying fairness to others is less important than messing with something you like doesnt make me think otherwise.

But specifically which ship are you talking about, the worm perhaps?

You obviously have little experience flying dreads, signature resolution makes that a nearly impossible task. The hitting value is not determined just by the relative velocity and range it has to do with gun resolution and sig radius as well which makes hitting these ships with a dread hard even at 0 velocity. The other fact is that this is the medium sized warfare I was referring to, fights of less than 100-200 people where a smaller gang can operate and fight the larger gang using it's resources to it's advantage. Blap dreads are a highly effective way to counter numbers and comes with so many down sides to using that that they are no where near broken.

I am a major advocate for any and all mechanics that support quality over quantity in eve, blap dreads not only require expensive fits and a large amount of skill points but they require great teamwork and skilled pilots that know what they're doing.

[You are reading it wrong. I am quite clearly suggesting fairness through alternate means or I wouldn't have said anything about new ships with equal abilities. Nope I don't have a worm. I do have a Dramiel.

Unlikely, because people would stop farming and producing the lower-spec ships, so the price stays high because supply moved to match demand.

Plus, again, that's a lot of un-used game assets, and it's a lot harder to produce entirely new ships than to rebalance existing ones. Again, CCP committed to this almost 2 years ago and it's been well received by the player-base. Re-balancing is always a better solution than power-creep.

it's just one disappointment after another with you guys. anyway, the issue with daredevils is that people abuse links and faction webs for ridiculous range control, for easymode kiting. you should fix this by swapping the hybrid damage bonus for a blaster damage bonus, pushing it toward being a fast honour brawler, which is what it's supposed to be (or you could, you know, fix links). it sure does have a large turret damage bonus. I wonder if that's justified, really not sure.



I'm giving this one 0/10. first of all, I'm pretty sure the current succubus only has 3 highs, not 4, and second I can see all the FW scrubs armour tanking it already, like they do with breachers and hookbills, because webs and tracking disruptors >>>>>> an extra lowslot, and this is a larger issue I guess. anyway, my main issue is being locked into using an AB, which would be ok if you could fit beams and had a range bonus, but you don't, so you just get auto wrecked by kiting ships, because you're in a dumb inflexible brawler that can't do anything. drop the utility high for a midslot, maybe buff up the tracking bonus if you want it to actually be useful - tracking bonuses are pretty weak generally, and find something else for its amarr frigate bonus. solo-wise, there's also the issue that everyone knows what your fitting is, which alone is a pretty good reason for me to never fly it.



please stop with the web bonuses, they're really horrible and easily abused and broken by kiting scum with links. also, 3 lows and no armour bonus on a pirate armour frigate? this is a joke, it needs 4 or 5 or something. I'd be more looking at 2 midslot no-web bonus stuff. it also looks like it's still ridiculously slow. I think some thought should go into all of the mobility stats on these ships, because they're pretty inconsistent. some of these things currently are as slow as AFs (which also need to be rebalanced), with nothing to show for it.



I really like this one, except the speed. I would like to have 5 mids though. many shield frigates suffer from this - with the strength of webs (nerf webs pls), you really really cannot afford to not have a web, so you're stuck with a 1 slot tank, which sucks. I hope on the gila, you can bring it down to 20 bandwidth with a massive damage and possibly drone speed bonus, because this heavies on cruisers thing is an absolute joke, and sentries, while OP, are not ideal a lot of the time.

Worm:

I enjoy the new bonuses drone direction, but I'm afraid of what the Gila will look like based on that.

No matter what bandwidth you give the Gila I'll fill it full of Warrior 2's and a few drone nav computers and have 300% bonused, very fast Warrior 2's murdering frigates.

Current game mechanics with bandwidth won't let you expand out this design to the Gila or Rattlesnake without creating a balance issue at those levels.

Isn't a theme of "two powerful drones" basically saying "make a drone assist fleet based on these"

Carrier assist fleets will be replaced with Worm assist fleets!