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Karon Grandolf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:17:00 -
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Ranger1 wrote:I really have to point out that the "non-combat" characters have far more effective defenses and tools at their disposal now than at any time in the past. You make it sound as if things are getting worse for the industrialist, when in fact conditions are much, much more favorable for them now.
This may or may not be true. My primary concern has been the war mechanic, that is no upper limit on the amount of corps that can be war decced at the same time by the same entity. I believe that relatively more gametime is now played under high sec war than before the changes. I also believe that there are more isolated players now than before, in NPC or very small (one player) corps. My experience tells me it's getting worse.
I could be wrong and asked for information about this. My questions was dismissed C C P Manifest.
Tippia wrote:How is it unbalanced and what tools do you think you're lacking?
I think the balance between game time spend during involuntary war vs. game time spend during voluntary peace has been changed so that it negatively influence the average subscription time of new players. I have only my own experience and forum posts as evidence, and have asked for more.
I want tools that can force peace on a war deccer, just as a war deccer can force war. I want a war force and a peace force competing against each other in high sec. I want this competition be balanced so that both game experiences are available to the players in sufficient amount to keep more new players subscribed. I want this balance on the macro level, as an avarage.
One such tool could be to remove the Concord security of agressive war deccers for a limited time and a fee.
On a personal level I am unhappy with the current balance and for certain types of gaming experiences I use other games where I previously used EVE. This may be a personal thing of course, and if this reaction is limited it may not hurt the game at all.
In that case there's no reason to change anything, I just won't be playing EVE that much. I think I would become more griefer like in the sense that i would occasionally subscribe to engage in agressive high sec PVP. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
176
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:This is blasphemy. There is no such thing as a bad episode of BSG and insinuating that there ever was one should be punishable by death.
You go to hell.
You go to hell and you die. Black Market. Check. Your move. That chick who was bangin Apollo. Any show with an image of her cannot be bad. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20069
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:21:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:That chick who was bangin Apollo. Any show with an image of her cannot be bad. Show, sure. Didn't save the episode.
The Woman King. Checkmate. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3116
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:21:00 -
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Karon Grandolf wrote: One such tool could be to remove the Concord security of agressive war deccers for a limited time and a fee.
Are you ****ing kidding? You do realize that you can legally shoot them back, right? With no consequences. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
176
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:That chick who was bangin Apollo. Any show with an image of her cannot be bad. Show, sure. Didn't save the episode. The Woman King. Checkmate.
Your quick retort led me to believe your interest in the show is ingenuine and you've performed a search to give you a platform to launch an assault.
I found this, it stands out:
http://www.girlsofgeek12.com/15/post/2012/08/the-five-worst-episodes-of-battlestar-galactica.html
I'll say because I'm a lawful individual, it was nice seeing people who perform crime, even in space, being brought to justice. |
a newbie
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
43
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:28:00 -
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As I sit back on the couch and look around, the display in front of me posts bounty after bounty. Each of them someone that has managed to **** someone off more than once. Most of the times they just happen to be someone of notoriety and of little consequence to direct actions taken by them.
Maybe they scammed someone, maybe they ransomed another, or they organized the collapse of your entire civilization. The point being the bounty system is there for a reason. It has been having some great effects as a result. Yes new players may not immediately find it but we (the community) have been helping CCP with requests through our CSMs for 'Small Things' here and there that help both old and new players alike. Maybe they can elevate knowledge of the bounties to new players.
I think the other problem is what you expect coming into an MMO that is hands off. A really GREAT anime on the topic of human nature in a rules free environment is Sword Art Online. Whether or not the art or genre fit your tastes, the detail the writers took in showing what they feel the chaos that would ensue seems a dead on read of people.
In the series, players are trapped in a virtual world, so players eventually become their ideal characters through behavior they would play in a normal game. You have Pkers, exploiters, people challenging sleeping players to a duel and moving their arms to accept duel and killing them. Some of them went so much as to scout as a neutral and be the target hunter for a murderous group of pkers. Some went the other way and were overly generous and blah blah hero stuff, and yet even more holed up in the cities and just 'existed'.
I think coming into a game that is hands off should be understood that it wouldn't feel right if we DIDN'T have people ransoming ships or extracting humility and tears from weaker people. Its not that I think its the greatest way to recruit players, but frankly its just as much a recruiting tool as it is a woe for new players. I have myself recruited far more people into EVE with the lure of violence and espionage than I have with mining and missions. ...um.. fire? |
Karon Grandolf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:29:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Karon Grandolf wrote: One such tool could be to remove the Concord security of agressive war deccers for a limited time and a fee.
Are you ****ing kidding? You do realize that you can legally shoot them back, right? With no consequences.
That's exactly what I realize. Shooting back has very little consequence for the war deccers, that is one of the big problems. It is the war deccers that are being protected by Concord as it is right now. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20070
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:31:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Your quick retort led me to believe your interest in the show is ingenuine and you've performed a search to give you a platform to launch an assault. No, that's just your prejudice speaking.
Quote:I'll say because I'm a lawful individual No. You are an individual who has demonstrated that you approve of real-life harm coming to people who play games. That is pretty far removed from GÇ£lawfulGÇ¥ and pretty close to needing serious medication and possibly incarceration.
Karon Grandolf wrote:That's exactly what I realize. Shooting back has very little consequence for the war deccers, that is one of the big problems. It is the war deccers that are being protected by Concord as it is right now. EhmGǪ the whole point of the wardec is that they're no longer protected by CONCORD. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3116
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:33:00 -
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Karon Grandolf wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Karon Grandolf wrote: One such tool could be to remove the Concord security of agressive war deccers for a limited time and a fee.
Are you ****ing kidding? You do realize that you can legally shoot them back, right? With no consequences. That's exactly what I realize. Shooting back has very little consequence for the war deccers, that is one of the big problems. It is the war deccers that are being protected by Concord as it is right now.
Neither of them are. You can shoot at each other freely.
The defending corp can also call in allies to their side without an upper limit on numbers.
The defender is, assuming they are at all competent, at an advantage during a wardec. And if they're not competent, then they deserve to dissolve or be docked up the whole time. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
176
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Your quick retort led me to believe your interest in the show is ingenuine and you've performed a search to give you a platform to launch an assault. No, that's just your prejudice speaking. Quote:I'll say because I'm a lawful individual No. You are an individual who has demonstrated that you approve of real-life harm coming to people who play games. That is pretty far removed from GǣlawfulGǥ and pretty close to needing serious medication and possibly incarceration. Karon Grandolf wrote:That's exactly what I realize. Shooting back has very little consequence for the war deccers, that is one of the big problems. It is the war deccers that are being protected by Concord as it is right now. EhmGǪ the whole point of the wardec is that they're no longer protected by CONCORD.
Do you have anything to prove this claim? |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20074
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:46:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Do you have anything to prove this claim? In response to someone wanting me GÇö the actual person GÇö dead, rather than ripping him a new one like any normal, well-adjusted, GÇ£lawfulGÇ¥ person would do, you said: GÇ£I agree with your message [GǪ] It detracts from the validity of your stance when you allow yourself to become motivated with a negative intention. You have promise, your heart is in the right place.GÇ¥
Again: you said this to someone who wanted me dead; who wanted to see me violently murdered in real life. From that point on, nothing you say, have said, or ever will say holds any value whatsoever.
You are, in short, a sick, twisted, utterly despicable individual with no concept of reality, morality, or even of the very notion of empathy for human beings. You are a liar, a hypocrite, a bigot, an unabashed narcissist, and a troll. You need medication to fix whatever pathology it is you're suffering from and you need it soon. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters
3788
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:49:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Your quick retort led me to believe your interest in the show is ingenuine and you've performed a search to give you a platform to launch an assault. No, that's just your prejudice speaking. Quote:I'll say because I'm a lawful individual No. You are an individual who has demonstrated that you approve of real-life harm coming to people who play games. That is pretty far removed from GÇ£lawfulGÇ¥ and pretty close to needing serious medication and possibly incarceration. Do you have anything to prove this claim? Your posts lol
The same fodder you use.
@ Tippia - I dunno if I'd go so far to call him that. He's simply proven to either be a mediocre troll or exceptional idiot. Not quite sure which. GÖí -á-á Major (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä -áHerrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4296
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:54:00 -
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Most of my bounty comes from satisfied clients. I can't speak for the rest of the leaderboard. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
177
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Do you have anything to prove this claim? In response to someone wanting me GÇö the actual person GÇö dead, rather than ripping him a new one like any normal, well-adjusted, GÇ£lawfulGÇ¥ person would do, you said: GÇ£I agree with your message [GǪ] It detracts from the validity of your stance when you allow yourself to become motivated with a negative intention. You have promise, your heart is in the right place.GÇ¥ Again: you said this to someone who wanted me dead; who wanted to see me violently murdered in real life. From that point on, nothing you say, have said, or ever will say holds any value whatsoever. You are, in short, a sick, twisted, utterly despicable individual with no concept of reality, morality, or even of the very notion of empathy for human beings. You are a liar, a hypocrite, a bigot, an unabashed narcissist, and a troll. You need medication to fix whatever pathology it is you're suffering from and you need it soon.
I agreed with his message about you being a troll. To clarify, I do not want you dead. What he said was wrong and is more reprehensible than you are for "trolling".
Even more reprehensible than your latest vitriol. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20076
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:58:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:@ Tippia - I dunno if I'd go so far to call him that. He's simply proven to either be a mediocre troll or exceptional idiot. Not quite sure which. I would. The moment it stepped over into wishing real-world harm on people, he crossed over the line from simple troll to actually [whatever]pathologicial. Now, I know that the post will be deleted. Calling a liar a liar and a bigot a bigot is actually against the rules, but in this particular case, I don't particularly care. It needs to be said, and it will be seen often enough before the mods get to it.
Sooner or later, he will step spectacularly out of bounds because he lacks the inhibitions to keep it safe, at which point he'll be gone. Until then, though, I'll keep reminding him of when and how he outed himself.
Divine Entervention wrote:I agreed with his message about you being a troll. To clarify, I do not want you dead. What he said was wrong and is more reprehensible than you are for "trolling". The problem is that you're a liar, and that this is obviously yet another lie. You didn't even flinch. You only validated what he said. It's too late to try to cover it up now. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
178
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:59:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Your quick retort led me to believe your interest in the show is ingenuine and you've performed a search to give you a platform to launch an assault. No, that's just your prejudice speaking. Quote:I'll say because I'm a lawful individual No. You are an individual who has demonstrated that you approve of real-life harm coming to people who play games. That is pretty far removed from GÇ£lawfulGÇ¥ and pretty close to needing serious medication and possibly incarceration. Do you have anything to prove this claim? Your posts lol The same fodder you use. @ Tippia - I dunno if I'd go so far to call him that. He's simply proven to either be a mediocre troll or exceptional idiot. Not quite sure which.
He has the right to say what he wants(unless maybe it breaks some forum rules). But that right to let him speak his mind doesn't mean that what he says is correct. |
Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
55
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:03:00 -
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Actually, I am coming to the realization that Highsec rules actually are equivalent to gunfree zones, so is the idiotic limitation of weaponless mining/merchant vessels....
Concord, like the police warps in too late.
**** it all, turn everything into a PVP combat ship, and let's all move to Texas.
It is conceptually asinine to conceive of a Universe filled with as many dickheads as EVE and not imagine that every single ************ would be armed like Robocop. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
178
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:06:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Actually, I am coming to the realization that Highsec rules actually are equivalent to gunfree zones, so is the idiotic limitation of weaponless mining/merchant vessels....
Concord, like the police warps in too late.
**** it all, turn everything into a PVP combat ship, and let's all move to Texas.
It is conceptually asinine to conceive of a Universe filled with as many dickheads as EVE and not imagine that every single ************ would be armed like Robocop.
It's kind of like gun-control. They think taking away the guns from the people means the criminals wont still have them, making their "job" that much easier.
Of course miners and haulers should be able to fit a ton of weaponry to defend themselves. It's stupidity that they cannot, because in a universe as hostile as EvE, you'd think the miners and haulers would've learned by now that they need to have 8 200mm cannons on everything they own.
Miners and haulers are stagnant, and not allowed to evolve with the previously changing, and now stagnant game play of EvE. |
Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
55
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:09:00 -
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And my idea of 'Defense' is not running away from my house.... its pulling out my Colt 1911 from its hiding spot and blasting the ************ invading my home..... ME not the cops, not my friends, me with my own two hands. So **** this tank the initial volley, run away and get some friends bullshit |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20078
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:13:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:And my idea of 'Defense' is not running away from my house.... its pulling out my Colt 1911 from its hiding spot and blasting the ************ invading my home..... ME not the cops, not my friends, me with my own two hands. So **** this tank the initial volley, run away and get some friends bullshit You can already do this. Your problem is that you seem to think that open space is GÇ£your houseGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5057
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:13:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Actually, I am coming to the realization that Highsec rules actually are equivalent to gunfree zones, so is the idiotic limitation of weaponless mining/merchant vessels....
If you thought high sec had rules in the 1st place, it demonstrates that your thinking is indeed as bad as IRL "Gun Free Zones".
Quote: Concord, like the police warps in too late.
CONCORD are like real police, in that we deter and arrest but not "protect" in the purest sense. In the same way that Police don't relieve you of your personal duty to protect yourself, the existence of CONCORD doesn't relieve you of your personal duty to use the various tools the game gives you to protect yourself. Everything from mods to tactics to awareness to friends.
Quote: **** it all, turn everything into a PVP combat ship, and let's all move to Texas.
It is conceptually asinine to conceive of a Universe filled with as many dickheads as EVE and not imagine that every single ************ would be armed like Robocop.
No it is not. EVE gives players sooooo many defensive tools it ain't even funny. IRL all I can do is wear my vest (and hope the vest catches the bullet and that the bullet didn't get fired from a freaking rifle) stay aware of my surroundings and perhaps shoot 1st. I'd trade actual body parts if my partner could "remote rep" me during a fight, or if I could hang a "Damage Control"necklace around my neck, or plug "implants" into my head that would give me more "ehp" against some dude trying to kill me because he doesn't want to go back to prison.......
In other words, there is nothing wrong with the game, the problem is you. |
Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
57
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:20:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kyperion wrote:Actually, I am coming to the realization that Highsec rules actually are equivalent to gunfree zones, so is the idiotic limitation of weaponless mining/merchant vessels.... If you thought high sec had rules in the 1st place, it demonstrates that your thinking is indeed as bad as IRL "Gun Free Zones". Quote: Concord, like the police warps in too late.
CONCORD are like real police, in that we deter and arrest but not "protect" in the purest sense. In the same way that Police don't relieve you of your personal duty to protect yourself, the existence of CONCORD doesn't relieve you of your personal duty to use the various tools the game gives you to protect yourself. Everything from mods to tactics to awareness to friends. Quote: **** it all, turn everything into a PVP combat ship, and let's all move to Texas.
It is conceptually asinine to conceive of a Universe filled with as many dickheads as EVE and not imagine that every single ************ would be armed like Robocop.
No it is not. EVE gives players sooooo many defensive tools it ain't even funny. IRL all I can do is wear my vest (and hope the vest catches the bullet and that the bullet didn't get fired from a freaking rifle) stay aware of my surroundings and perhaps shoot 1st. I'd trade actual body parts if my partner could "remote rep" me during a fight, or if I could hang a "Damage Control"necklace around my neck, or plug "implants" into my head that would give me more "ehp" against some dude trying to kill me because he doesn't want to go back to prison....... In other words, there is nothing wrong with the game, the problem is you.
Bullshit, 'IRL' you shoot the ************ trying to shoot you.... you can't do that in a mining/merchant ship in eve.... which is ******* stupid
And I feel sorry for your family if you are a cop... if your idea of 'defense' is simply survival.... you are not nearly prepared to do what is necessary to face down a killer. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1844
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:21:00 -
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lmao this thread has gone in red neck troll mode.. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
643
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:22:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Bullshit, 'IRL' you shoot the ************ trying to shoot you.... you can't do that in a mining/merchant ship in eve.... which is ******* stupid
IRL if you are going to shoot the guy shooting at you, you need a gun.
No different in EvE. The choices you make determine the options you have available. If you don't have a gun, you can't shoot. So either fit some to your ship and make lower ISK/hr, or get friends with guns.
eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20078
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:25:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:lmao this thread has gone in red neck troll mode.. So, do you have those 700-dps fittings yet? I'd love to see what they've come up with now. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
57
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:26:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Kyperion wrote:Bullshit, 'IRL' you shoot the ************ trying to shoot you.... you can't do that in a mining/merchant ship in eve.... which is ******* stupid IRL if you are going to shoot the guy shooting at you, you need a gun. No different in EvE. The choices you make determine the options you have available. If you don't have a gun, you can't shoot. So either fit some to your ship and make lower ISK/hr, or get friends with guns.
And IRL, we can all carry guns... at least in the United States... you cannot carry a gun on a miner barge or merchant ship in EVE... which is bullshit
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20078
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:28:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:And IRL, we can all carry guns... at least in the United States. No, you don't, not even in the US. However, you can easily call upon someone who does and have them help you out. Kind of like how you assign guards to ride along with the cash truckGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
57
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kyperion wrote:And IRL, we can all carry guns... at least in the United States. No, you don't, not even in the US. However, you can easily call upon someone who does and have them help you out. Kind of like how you assign guards to ride along with the cash truckGǪ Law abiding citizens can and do carry, and carry concealed, completely looking like harmless individuals, except for the Glock in their pants. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
645
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:37:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:And IRL, we can all carry guns... at least in the United States... you cannot carry a gun on a miner barge or merchant ship in EVE... which is bullshit
You are only limited here by what you are prepared to do.
There are many mining ships you can fit guns too and many alternatives to having guns present that don't require you to sacrifice your mining yields.
However, maybe this is better continued in your thread on slots for mining barges as this thread is supposed to be about how everyone in the game that doesn't play exactly as we want them to play, must be a scumbag and loser. How dare they chose to be different and play differently. That's so terrible that they are different. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20079
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Posted - 2014.03.15 08:47:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Law abiding citizens can and do carry, and carry concealed, completely looking like harmless individuals, except for the Glock in their pants. Ok, fair enough. I somehow read it as GÇ£doGÇ¥ rather than GÇ£canGÇ¥.
Still, the answer remains much the same: maybe you can, but you don't. The same goes in EVE: you could carry a gun, but you don't. And just like with that choice, even if you do, it won't really help against the determined attacker unless you bring back-up. The tools exist, people just have this nasty habit of not using them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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