It's bogus, and I as an Eve player for going on seven years now will not stand for it.

Thoughts?!

Especially on the forums it seems like EVE is a refuge for the refuse of humanity,

I am reasonably certain that more than one CCP exec stays awake late at night, worrying that Star Citizen, or some other like game, has game mechanics and moderators that actively discourage the type of sociopathic behaviour that CCP embraces and celebrates.

When that game is finally built, even if it half as visually appealing as Eve, and one-quarter the depth of the Eve, will be the catalyst of an exodus of paying customers. No doubt a significant percentage of the Eve player population will cheer that exodus, giddy that all the "carebear losers have finally left THEIR game", but the accountants know better.

I eagerly anticipate that day as well, but clearly not for the reasons that the myopic sadists do.

I am reasonably certain that more than one CCP exec stays awake late at night, worrying that Star Citizen, or some other like game, has game mechanics and moderators that actively discourage the type of sociopathic behaviour that CCP embraces and celebrates.

When that game is finally built, even if it half as visually appealing as Eve, and one-quarter the depth of the Eve, will be the catalyst of an exodus of paying customers. No doubt a significant percentage of the Eve player population will cheer that exodus, giddy that all the "carebear losers have finally left THEIR game", but the accountants know better.

I eagerly anticipate that day as well, but clearly not for the reasons that the myopic sadists do.

I do too! But the difference is I honest-to-god love this game. I started playing at a time in my life when I felt like I needed an escape to get away from my dull, boring, abusive life. I fell into a good corp, made some good friends, even got some of my old UO pals off their old ICQ's and onto Teamspeak and flying spaceships with me! I fell in love with the "world", and so did they. I'm thrilled to say they still play to this day :)

Star Citizen doesn't have the dark, gritty dystopian ultra-future that Eve does.

I swear though, it's like the people who want to be rampaging psycopaths in real life but can't for obvious reasons decided one day to start up an Eve subscription and then started referring buddies, because the amount of - Or should I say, the sheer lack of humanity I see in this game on a daily basis makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. I'm not a goddamned saint, not in-game or IRL, but the crap some players do is just disgusting.

But that's on an extreme. What's doing the most damage is just the general lack of empathy. Nobody cares anymore. It's all boiled down to "I WUNDR HOW GUD KILLMAIL IZ GUN B" to these cretins.

eves mean, me sad, cry, spend 40 minutes on butthurt GD post, not a toon i don't want getting D'D'D'D'DUNKED

Stuff and things

EhmGǪ I'm fairly certain that they do have an exit survery, and I know for a fact that they do have numbers on how many have left because they've referred to them on multiple occasions.

As for your general complaint, you realise that harassment and griefing are bannable offences right? Oh, and Divine Entervention is a self-confessed bigot and a troll, so if you find yourself agreeing with him, you should probably take a time to reassess your stance because you're slipping awfully close to a very unhealthy placeGǪ

Also so far Divine Entervention has been anything but, so for now at least I think I am safe.

I don't recall reading any metrics on amount of people who have left and for X reason.

And yet it happens! The report function exists but it persists. Hell the report function gets abused to the point I'm sure the GM's don't even care anymore. Same crap happened in WoW

Also so far Divine Entervention has been anything but, so for now at least I think I am safe.

You should try reading his other posts, he's an egotist, self righteous, bigoted troll.

I am reasonably certain that more than one CCP exec stays awake late at night, worrying that Star Citizen, or some other like game, has game mechanics and moderators that actively discourage the type of sociopathic behaviour that CCP embraces and celebrates.

When that game is finally built, even if it half as visually appealing as Eve, and one-quarter the depth of the Eve, will be the catalyst of an exodus of paying customers. No doubt a significant percentage of the Eve player population will cheer that exodus, giddy that all the "carebear losers have finally left THEIR game", but the accountants know better.

I eagerly anticipate that day as well, but clearly not for the reasons that the myopic sadists do.

You're making EVERYONE here responsible for the audience's reaction. To a guy's drunken words. At a game convention. Some years ago.

I completely understand that people who think differently than I do consider it necessary to insult me to avoid confronting the possibility of their opinions being grounded in a false reality.

Sorry, are we supposed to take the words THE MOST PROMINENT EVE PLAYER IN EVE HISTORY let spew forth from his mouth and just cast them aside BECAUSE HE WAS DRUNK?

"POLAND SHOULD GO KILL ITSELF AND HEY GUYS YOU SHOULD HELP IT LOLOLOLUMAD?".

That is a really strange mental state to pay for one game you don't enjoy playing just to have a forums to announce you are waiting for it to die when another game will finally be released.

But of course OTHERS are crazy and psycho and mental...

I said I am looking forward to the day the bittervets and retards who act and think like them realize they don't have anymore carebears to harass because they all got sick of their **** and moved to brighter horizons.

I never said I am waiting for it to die nor did I say I hope another game takes it's place, I said I am looking forward to the day the bittervets and retards who act and think like them realize they don't have anymore carebears to harass because they all got sick of their **** and moved to brighter horizons.

I completely understand that people who think differently than I do consider it necessary to insult me to avoid confronting the possibility of their opinions being grounded in a false reality.

I forgive you for feeling it necessary to insult me. I understand the position you're in and why you feel it is necessary.

Sorry, are we supposed to take the words THE MOST PROMINENT EVE PLAYER IN EVE HISTORY let spew forth from his mouth and just cast them aside BECAUSE HE WAS DRUNK?

I'll admit I have my faults, but seeing someone comment on a Reddit post

Wait, when was Chribba drunk?

Why is all of that creativity and freedom being used to harass new players? I just don't understand it.

Some people simply have poisonous mentalities. Bullied little fat kids who turn to the internet to get their revenge on the world.

Some of us have more positive attitudes.

Few months ago NC. lured a guy recovering from cancer on the pretext he could join their alliance and blew him and all his stuff up for lols.

Chribba's secret is that he is always drunk.

SSDD

Wait, when was Chribba drunk?

... But do we have any that show how many have left? Or why they left? Why doesn't CCP have an exit survey for those who never finished their trial, or who subbed for a month but never came back, or who played for X years but stopped altogether?

I swear though, it's like the people who want to be rampaging psycopaths in real life but can't for obvious reasons decided one day to start up an Eve subscription and then started referring buddies, because the amount of - Or should I say, the sheer lack of humanity I see in this game on a daily basis makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. I'm not a goddamned saint, not in-game or IRL, but the crap some players do is just disgusting.

I think my experience in the game has been different. There are intelligent people everywhere, and many of them go the extra mile to help you, provided you are able to help yourself. I love how connected corp mates are socially, through Jabber and Mumble.

/Fÿ¡

I think you're vision of human behaviour is mostly based on ideals and dreams instead of reality then.

Only when tyrants and bullies are not held to account by civilized minds. I.E. the people that make the rules

God, this will be a glorious day. I-¦ve been waiting for it for years as well.

The ganker community is pathetic and the toxic trolls calling people trolls when they are in fact spot on, are no less vitriolic.

I think you'll find that what draws the majority of Eve players to Eve is that it lacks lots of "rules." It's why I'm here

People are leaving this game, daily, because they cannot handle the harassment, the griefing, the scamming, and the constant fear of losing everything they own or a chunk of their paycheck because of some opportunistic ass with an itchy F1 finger.

I'm not an alt of James Arget and I am not running for CSM, so believe me when I say this **** needs to go.

Thoughts?!

I am reasonably certain that more than one CCP exec stays awake late at night, worrying that Star Citizen, or some other like game, has game mechanics and moderators that actively discourage the type of sociopathic behaviour that CCP embraces and celebrates.

When that game is finally built, even if it half as visually appealing as Eve, and one-quarter the depth of the Eve, will be the catalyst of an exodus of paying customers. No doubt a significant percentage of the Eve player population will cheer that exodus, giddy that all the "carebear losers have finally left THEIR game", but the accountants know better.

I eagerly anticipate that day as well, but clearly not for the reasons that the myopic sadists do.

Now, for me at least, EVE isnt as appealing, i can only play sporadically due to family/work/real life so used to enjoy hopping on to go exploring for a couple of hours, running a few missions, or anything else i fancied doing at the time, now, i cant do that in peace knowing some douche can just suicide gank me for funsies and hopefully tears. That's just not enjoyable.

So here's a question: what is keeping you from taking precautions to ensure that this doesn't happen?
Has it ever happened? And should it ever happen, how will it affect your gameplay?

@Malcolm:

So just to clarify, are you stating that you want to be immune from player aggression in high-sec?

Is that an accurate summation of your post?

Douche players will force PVP on to new players if they want it or not, and that quite frankly is not appealing what so ever when taking your first few steps in a new game.

I think most of the OP's complaints can be resolved in three steps...

Stay out of hisec
Stay off reddit
Stay off the internet

Seriously, if a few bad apples ruin your entire orchard, you've got to stop focusing on the bad apples.

Eve's community in low and nullsec is fantastic, encouraging and helpful. Trust is a way of life in nullsec. Fear is a way of life in hisec because that's where the riffraff truly are, preying on the weak that don't know the rules or don't know how to play the game yet.

Fortunately i've never been caught no, but thats probably more down to my paranoid nature when logging into this game, new players dont have that paranoia about them, and only get it once they've been blown up a few times, maybe the first time losing a ship to PVP they didnt ask for is enough for them to delete the client, i dunno, but thats what im getting at.

Douche players will force PVP on to new players if they want it or not, and that quite frankly is not appealing what so ever when taking your first few steps in a new game.

Now, IF it did happen and i got ganked or some such, then im experienced enough to deal with it, learn from it and avoid it next time, but that just me, someone who's played just over 4 years, not a new player a day/month into EVE.

So because a few guys feel like behaving like little bratts you guys are hoping eve goes flat on it's face , not thinking about a big majority of players who don't harass anyone and enjoy the game who will not enjoy a mass exodus.

Who wants to ruin who's day again ?



Thank you for proving what i said above about human behaviour ...

Absolutely not no, but making it much more of a pain for the instigator and with harsher consequences would be a welcome more and make EVE more attractive to new players that DONT want to PVP that 3yr old player in highsec.

This is me.

I only have 4 account which i pay for with real money, but EVE isnt dying, it's just getting more hostile every passing year.

4 years ago when i started, missioners could do their thing without worrying about being ganked, baited by loot thief's or some other such activity, same for miners and every other high sec carebear, sure they all got talked down to for not playing the game how others thought it should be played, but it was tollerable.

I am reasonably certain that more than one CCP exec stays awake late at night, worrying that Star Citizen, or some other like game, has game mechanics and moderators that actively discourage the type of sociopathic behaviour that CCP embraces and celebrates.

When that game is finally built, even if it half as visually appealing as Eve, and one-quarter the depth of the Eve, will be the catalyst of an exodus of paying customers. No doubt a significant percentage of the Eve player population will cheer that exodus, giddy that all the "carebear losers have finally left THEIR game", but the accountants know better.

I eagerly anticipate that day as well, but clearly not for the reasons that the myopic sadists do.

Oh, and Divine Entervention is a self-confessed bigot and a troll, GǪ

....
[nerf everything heresy]
...

The fact remains that no matter what percentage of Eve players are sadists, CCP is quite happy allowing them full reign, and must love what they do, since they do nothing to slow their attacks on the majority down.

That is the kind of behaviour that CCP has to kill off, and that kind of mindset.

EvE being a sandbox, experiences are variable and not as uniformly stark and dire as you profess, as in real life there is good and bad everywhere. The difference (and what makes EvE special), is that CCP doesn't bubble-wrap you from the bad (not completely yet anyway...), it's up to YOU and all new players to put brain and vast web resources to bear in avoiding the bad, just like in real life.

However...

When you go from 'how do I..' or 'can someone help me', into crossing that heretical line of espousing 'things should be nerfed..remove ganking...' to suit your carebear refusal to learn, I must regrettably add a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue.

In fact, your heresy against HTFU was so extensive, I am forced to do something I have never done...I am actually adding a +2 to the Kill-It-Forward queue.

F

I think it is understood that once Star Citizen is going well enough to actually play without bugs, drops, etc... EVE will lose most if not all the PVE players and the PVP crowd will play much less. 40 Million RL dollars from the crowd says that!

It's just like anything else... If you don't change it, it's old.... CCP doesn't change this game, but for the moment, it's all there is.

Personally I think that many Eve players will try both Star Citizen and eventually Elite Dangerous (because Elite), while continuing to play Eve. With the amount of hatred for Eve players on the SC forums I suspect that SC players are destined to live in interesting times.

Neither of them is going to kill Eve off, just as STO, Black Prophecy etc never killed Eve off, either through never materialising or being just plain bloody terrible.

TL;DR Star Citizen won't kill off Eve, it may leave a temporary dip in subscription numbers and snag all of the people that play Eve despite actually hating it, but it'll have no long lasting detrimental effects for CCP.

They capture vulnerable players and force them to sing on Teamspeak in return for safe passage, humiliating them in the process, for their own enjoyment and then kill them after anyway because "It's Eve, HTFU noob LOLOLOLOL".

My worry is that CCP are backing a horse and letting the status quo be. This is effectively an "all clear to continue" nod from the heavens for dickery.

They *have* backed the wrong horse. They have very few cycles to abandon that idea as changes to the game will take far longer than the projected time line of new spaceship games will allow.

Exciting times from the side lines.

My wallet doesn't have any emotional attachment to a game that promotes detachment. Whoever wins gets my $

Drones auto-aggressing (when set to Aggressive) on a player attacking an MTU was fixed, as far as I know. Was it not?

Ship Spinning is actually a valid occupation too.

Yes, as are pirating and ganking.

Pirates, even in hisec have their place...

My problem is with the New Order types, that take ganking and turn it into a cyber-cult.

I completely understand that people who think differently than I do consider it necessary to insult me to avoid confronting the possibility of their opinions being grounded in a false reality.

I forgive you for feeling it necessary to insult me. I understand the position you're in and why you feel it is necessary.

Generally EVE players can be relied on to say that they're not against piracy "in principle" or piracy "in its place"; they're only opposed to "the kind of piracy that affects me".

My problem is with the New Order types, that take ganking and turn it into a cyber-cult.

Generally EVE players can be relied on to say that they're not against piracy "in principle" or piracy "in its place"; they're only opposed to "the kind of piracy that affects me".

Not to get too technical on all this, but there may be elements of EVE that you do not perceive as issues, owing to your current vantage point.

In another thread I took some pains to illustrate the ridiculous extremes some multiboxing ice-mining operations, for instance, have gone to.

Whereas from your perspective, you see a group of griefers and extortionists who's only goal is to ruin the lives of respectable, active and generally benign citizens of the EVE universe, from their perspective, owing to what they do, they all too often actually encounter just how many people there are out there exploiting (deliberately and maliciously) the high-sec mechanics of safety to leverage enormous of wealth.

Surely you agree that multiboxers that critical mass beyond a certain point of reasonability and sustainability, as well as botters, need to be addressed by the community, ingame, in some form or fashion?

Since you are not the one who is prepared to do anything about, as you are too busy doing other high-sec activities such as missioning or your own (hopefully respectable and reasonably active) mining operations, it falls upon others to do something.

Have you ever had the chance to talk one on one with cops that you know personally, about how what they see everyday (that most people don't, in large part thanks to the efforts of these cops to keep these fringe behaviors in check) affects their perception of society at large?

Here's an anecdote from my experience yesterday, if you care to read it.
It involves ice-mining and the behavior of players involved in it, and raises the question in one form atleast, of "who are actually the bad guys poisoning the community well with their attitude and behavior towards others:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4344248#post4344248

My problem is with the New Order types, that take ganking and turn it into a cyber-cult.

If you can prove you target the Bots before a lone newbie in a mining barge

But even a noob in a mining barge is quite safe if he takes the necessary precautions to tank his vessel.
Ofc there is the possibility that he will be ganked anyways, but that would come at a net loss to the aggressors.

As to bumping, the miner can simply relocate his operation.
This kind of relocation of activities due to the intervention of other players is not unusual or counter EVE's general design principles.

In many ways miner bumping is not much different than a Mackinaw/Orca fleet showing up and starting to ferociously stripmine the hell out of exactly the one rock you had your puny lasers aimed at. Would you consider that griefing as well, and the acts of a "herd of dickheads", as you put it?

You can thank CCP for that, when the New Order was first started James wasn't trying to sell permits, he was bumping people because they were afk, and because he could. CCP stepped in and told him that this modus operandi wasn't acceptable, therefore James had a discussion with the GM about what was and what was not acceptable, it turns out that doing it with a profit motive was acceptable to CCP, and thus the New Order was born.

Turning it into a quasi religious cult was a stroke of genius, people who raged hard when ganked raged even harder when confronted with gankers preaching quasi religious dictats that make the lore of the Amarr Empire look like a childrens book.

You are correct in that CCP should have just banhammered the ****

The Miner gang only forces you to switch targets, it does not cost you your ship and then try to extort even more isk from you and potentially more ship losses if they chase you.

So no, there is no comparison between the competition of a gang mining operation and a gank fleet popping up in local.

You are correct in that CCP should have just banhammered the ****

Surely you agree that multiboxers that critical mass beyond a certain point of reasonability and sustainability, as well as botters, need to be addressed by the community, ingame, in some form or fashion?

Since you are not the one who is prepared to do anything about, as you are too busy doing other high-sec activities such as missioning or your own (hopefully respectable and reasonably active) mining operations, it falls upon others to do something.

The Miner gang only forces you to switch targets, it does not cost you your ship and then try to extort even more isk from you and potentially more ship losses if they chase you.

So no, there is no comparison between the competition of a gang mining operation and a gank fleet popping up in local.

Strangely, for all this ranting about mining, moon mining is never mentioned. It's far more afk; set up POS, fuel POS, receive bacon. People do it far more "unreasonably" as you put it; coalitions control dozens of moons

It's also a shite income on a per player basis, from what I remember of the figures an ice miners income is in excess of the income from a moon.

Highsec ice-mining is about 4.8mil/15mins with an unambitious and simple setup.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4329504#post4329504

Thats my best estimate atleast. Others may have even higher ones, but I doubt lower.

And a Dyspro moon generates 100 units an hour @-á60k ISK per unit, for 6M ISK/h.

While moon mining may technically be an afk activity, it requires the ability to defend the mining operations, something most highsec miners refuse to do. It's also a shite income on a per player basis, from what I remember of the figures an ice miners income is in excess of the income from a moon.

And a Dyspro moon generates 100 units an hour @-á60k ISK per unit, for 6M ISK/h.

There's nothing wrong with moon income, and there's nothing wrong with mining. There's nothing wrong with ganking, either.

The problem is that the gankers are stifling intelligent discussion of real game issues like high-low-null risk-reward balance and the fact that mining is BORING under a sea of shiptoasting.

Ideas to actually balance the game are buried amid a sea of whining and self-justification.

As for moons, the point is that it's passive income, good or not. Per-player basis is really irrelevant since it isn't doled out like that, and generally entities that own moons own them in proportion to their size.

The problem is that the gankers are stifling intelligent discussion of real game issues like high-low-null risk-reward balance and the fact that mining is BORING under a sea of shiptoasting. Ideas to actually balance the game are buried amid a sea of whining and self-justification.

Strangely, for all this ranting about mining, moon mining is never mentioned. It's far more afk; set up POS, fuel POS, receive bacon.

that's been policy for a long time, and it's a good one

but if i petition the GMs for a pizza, do they send one? noooooo

eves mean, me sad, cry, spend 40 minutes on butthurt GD post, not a toon i don't want getting D'D'D'D'DUNKED

[quote=Marvin Shields
What happened in the audience though shocked me; Instead of being booed off the stage (Which is what I'd have attempted to do if I were in the audience), he was met with laughter and applause.

Because that's the people who play this game. Or at least the ones who are most visible, most audible, and most rampant, because the people who instigate this behavior within the game allow the behavior to creep and spread within their ranks.

Bear in mind, I played Ultima Online back when it came out and for many years following that, and that was THE game that started the open-world community-driven content MMO genre. Eve may be more polished and may have a greater following and has lasted a HELL of a lot longer, but UO was where it allllll started kids.

Much.
Its abhorrent to even think or attempt otherwise, and yet that is exactly what this thread is trying to defend.

Stop trying to dictate how others live their lives and how they choose to conduct themselves.

Usually a society sets some rules.
In Eve most rules we commonly accept IRL don't apply.
It seems natural that this leads to frustration on part of some.
Especially, as some very basic rules like: "you don't kick babies in the teeth in order to get their candy" don't apply neither.

I am in Eve coz I like the risky environment, but cannot fathom the fun some seem to have kicking babies teeth.

There are no babies in Eve, therefore nobody is kicking babies in the teeth, which don't appear for a few months btw, to steal their candy. The nearest equivalent is newbies, and to be honest they have nothing worth stealing unless they decided to try the P2W route and purchase their way up the foodchain, which invariably ends in disillusionment and tears for them, and a healthy profit for others.

Everyone who plays Eve has the same access to exactly the same mechanics and items as everybody else. People choose to not use them to protect themselves, and then whine when others use them to relieve them of their stuff..

As you rightly suggest, due to the context and premise of Eve the real life rules don't apply, many of us accept that and play accordingly, the problem comes when people try to enforce out of context real life rules to a game where they generally don't apply.

You got me with the teeth. However, some already have one at birth.

And I'd assume it already happened that someone kicked even though there were no candies at all. As otherwise starter systems would not need special rules.

Tbh I didn't have an issue with ganking im Eve. My losses are mostly to me being stupid or a graphic driver crash (****), so that the whole issue actually looks avoidable to me.

Making my first post on the forums ever, so bear with me here...

I'll admit I have my faults, but seeing someone comment on a Reddit post, and the massive sh*tstorm that followed, got me thinking...

This is a game where we cannot die for good, and where the rules are pretty much removed, which gives us a lot of "creative" freedom.

Why is all of that creativity and freedom being used to harass new players? I just don't understand it.

I really don't think it used to be so bad, honestly. I think all of this has morphed out of a bored 0.0 culture , and has really gotten worse in recent years.

I have no problem with ganking, corp scamming, ponzis, or any of that, but the childish "tear harvesting" and such really is hugely obnoxious. Hmm, I guess I agree with your post.

I have no problem with ganking, corp scamming, ponzis, or any of that, but the childish "tear harvesting" and such really is hugely obnoxious. Hmm, I guess I agree with your post.

They somehow miss that this is a full-PvP multiplayer sandbox, and assume that it will work exactly the same as a PvE-centric themepark game, and when reality intrudes on them, it's a rude awakening. This is not a problem with the game or its players GÇö it's a problem with those preconceived notions.

There are no babies in Eve, therefore nobody is kicking babies in the teeth, which don't appear for a few months btw, to steal their candy. The nearest equivalent is newbies, and to be honest they have nothing worth stealing unless they decided to try the P2W route and purchase their way up the foodchain, which invariably ends in disillusionment and tears for them, and a healthy profit for others.

Everyone who plays Eve has the same access to exactly the same mechanics and items as everybody else. People choose to not use them to protect themselves, and then whine when others use them to relieve them of their stuff..

As you rightly suggest, due to the context and premise of Eve the real life rules don't apply, many of us accept that and play accordingly, the problem comes when people try to enforce out of context real life rules to a game where they generally don't apply.

Some of us gave up talking and simply acted to back up our stance. Try it sometime.

Incidentally, the leading cause for people quitting is trying to go it alone and treating the game as your average content-consumption themepark game.

citation needed.

All PvP games die with the following first step:

* lets force people to be nice

New players have absolutely no trouble in EVE unless they bring undo attention to themselves.

I was going to honor you as an example of it, but you've told me IC you're not a pirate so many times I didn't want to say it OOC too.

Regardless, good job!

There are no babies in Eve, therefore nobody is kicking babies in the teeth, which don't appear for a few months btw, to steal their candy. The nearest equivalent is newbies, and to be honest they have nothing worth stealing unless they decided to try the P2W route and purchase their way up the foodchain, which invariably ends in disillusionment and tears for them, and a healthy profit for others.

More to the point, they're babies in the sense that they're largely ignorant of how the game works, and abjectly dependant on both an indifferent parent (the tutorials) and other people in the game (live or via blogs and wikis) to learn.

If you enjoy lording your knowledge of the game over other people and taking advantage of whatever preconceptions they might have, they're easy prey and they're incapable of fighting back effectively, so they're more likely to helplessly resort to OOC threats and complaints--tears, basically. Not only do you get to savor the tears, you get the additional thrill of reporting them.

That's why you can't gank in the newbie systems, although, predictably, that prohibition only dares people to see how closely they can toe the line.

Back to OP's position:

Anyone who professes joy at someone else's misery is a bad person.

Have you never laughed at someone taking a pratfall or saying something stupid?

Never?

Really?

Have you never laughed at someone taking a pratfall or saying something stupid?

Never?

Really?

CSM8 August minutes, Session 5.

Heard it here folks, slipping on ice is the exact same as having cancer

That's not what he said, it's not even within the same universe as what he asked.

You're trivialising cancer by comparing it to slipping on ice; cancer is a long term battle against a foul and underhanded disease that normally ends in an early death. Slipping on ice and ending up on your arse is a miniscule setback that doesn't normally end in a premature death. You really need to get a grip on the scale of misery involved.

You seem to have the same problem distinguishing between cancer and falling over as you do between what happens in game and real life.

That's not what he said, it's not even within the same universe as what he asked.

You're trivialising cancer by comparing it to slipping on ice; cancer is a long term battle against a foul and underhanded disease that normally ends in an early death. Slipping on ice and ending up on your arse is a miniscule setback that doesn't normally end in a premature death. You really need to get a grip on the scale of misery involved.

You seem to have the same problem distinguishing between cancer and falling over as you do between what happens in game and real life.

Troll harder.

Faux logic to justify ******* actions to get a rouse from someone.

Sounds trolling to me. vOv

Making my first post on the forums ever, so bear with me here...

..I have in my very long Eve career seen some of the most venomous, most vindictive people in gaming. Bear in mind, I played Ultima Online back when it came out and for many years following that, and that was THE game that started the open-world community-driven content MMO genre. Eve may be more polished and may have a greater following and has lasted a HELL of a lot longer, but UO was where it allllll started kids..

Truth be told.

Majority of people in EVE are good and helpful. The bad always gets the news which makes it appear that Bad is actually the majority.

In another similar thread I asked C C P Manifest about this, but he denied my questions, simply ignored them.

People are leaving this game, daily, because they cannot handle the harassment, the griefing, the scamming, and the constant fear of losing everything they own or a chunk of their paycheck because of some opportunistic ass with an itchy F1 finger.

Welcome to the sandbox.

Actually you asked CCP Manifest a question he'd already answered. If you read the post that you've linked he clearly says that as posted in his previous post, which he quoted for your convenience, CCP are seeing both new players and returning players, which suggests new accounts being opened and old ones being reactivated.

The difference between new accounts and new players is negligible, any new account is new business, regardless of whether it's a genuine newbie or from an existing customer.

I will never understand why people demand CCP change EVE entirely when games such as STO exist which offer exactly what they want.

Because we play EVE, its marketed as a sandbox game, it should be a sandbox game. The developers should be performing their required role as developers of a sandbox game which is to act as referee's. They are not. The game play is stagnant. The so-called emergent gameplay is ganking (been in game since M0o and Zombie), the PvP is largely still spawn point based (been in game since 2003), the sov warefare is themepark (theres only one way to do it), the ships are imbalanced to the extent one hull, class or module (supers, caps, blops, cyno's, cats, archons) are used to the exclusion of any emergent new methods / tactics.

Its because more players these days want to role play as the bad guy.

Ironically these are usually the same people who take one glance at my alliance ticker and go "lolroleplayers".

So, how's it going with those pocos? Are they still sov structures?

Stop off topic trolling.

Says the person who just rolled out a giant off topic rant about sov in the first place?

Oh, and pocos aren't sov structures, in case you needed to hear it another time.

Because we play EVE, its marketed as a sandbox game, it should be a sandbox game. The developers should be performing their required role as developers of a sandbox game which is to act as referee's. They are not. The game play is stagnant. The so-called emergent gameplay is ganking (been in game since M0o and Zombie), the PvP is largely still spawn point based (been in game since 2003), the sov warefare is themepark (theres only one way to do it), the ships are imbalanced to the extent one hull, class or module (supers, caps, blops, cyno's, cats, archons) are used to the exclusion of any emergent new methods / tactics.

Says the person who just rolled out a giant off topic rant about sov in the first place?

Personally as someone new to the game, I do wonder why players try to "grief" other players out of the game. I mean don't they want the influx of new players?

EVE is changing all the time. These changes influence the balances between play styles and what is practically available experiences in the game. This in relation to established players as well as new ones.

I found Infinity Zionas post on the game experience in null very interesting as I have almost no personal experience of that. It seems to support that EVE is evolving in a way that limits the available gameplay. Even if the mechanics are there, the combined net result of players and game mechanics means that large parts of the possible experiences are not practically viable to engage in.

In short, EVE is becoming less of a game than what it could be. It is becoming more gamy, and less roleplaying and exploration friendly. Becoming less community oriented for non-combat players too.

The peaceful industrial high sec corporation is not viable as a lifestyle in EVE, not because it's not mechanically available, but because there are no mechanics to protect that lifestyle from other competing lifestyles in the game.

We don't.

There are some people who when killed automatically think they have being griefed. The truth is that they died because they did something stupid and this game punishes stupidity. They simply are not used to this.