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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20014
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:47:00 -
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Marvin Shields wrote:I never said I am waiting for it to die nor did I say I hope another game takes it's place, I said I am looking forward to the day the bittervets and retards who act and think like them realize they don't have anymore carebears to harass because they all got sick of their **** and moved to brighter horizons. The thing is, if they wanted to do that, they could have done so a long time ago. So the implied threat of people leaving en masse has very little bite to it. If they haven't already, why would they suddenly make a completely different decision? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17083
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:48:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Marvin Shields wrote:Also so far Divine Entervention has been anything but, so for now at least I think I am safe. You should try reading his other posts, he's an egotist, self righteous, bigoted troll. I completely understand that people who think differently than I do consider it necessary to insult me to avoid confronting the possibility of their opinions being grounded in a false reality. I forgive you for feeling it necessary to insult me. I understand the position you're in and why you feel it is necessary. It's not an insult, I'm merely telling the truth as I see it. You insist on denigrating others, you deliberately post in a way designed to inflame and infuriate and then you bang on about people not respecting your posts, while denying them the respect that you feel you deserve.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
263
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Posted - 2014.03.14 08:20:00 -
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Bottom line, really, in my opinion, is that if you play a game for social gratification, you're off to a bad start nonetheless.
You think EVE is bad? Log into XBox Live one day.
So some people extort and gank and bump your ship and "force" you to sing on Teamspeak in order to let you go.
So?
******* sing. Or just say no and get your ship blown up. Hell, get your pod blown up while you're at it. It doesn't need to change who you are. If it does, your problems are rooted more deeply than the space submarine pewpewlazors game we're playing here.
Every single case of player grievance in regards to other players boils down to not following that single most important EVE rule.
Never risk something you're not willing to lose. Be it ships, time, money or dignity (to needlessly dramatize), if you don't want to lose it, don't risk it. I've shrugged off more losses than I'd liked to in my short career as an EVE player and I intend to shrug off more.
EVE is not real.
EVE is game. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2358
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Posted - 2014.03.14 08:42:00 -
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Marvin Shields wrote:Sorry, are we supposed to take the words THE MOST PROMINENT EVE PLAYER IN EVE HISTORY let spew forth from his mouth and just cast them aside BECAUSE HE WAS DRUNK?
Wait, when was Chribba drunk? Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1030
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Posted - 2014.03.14 08:44:00 -
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Marvin Shields wrote: I'll admit I have my faults, but seeing someone comment on a Reddit post
That's easily avoided, just don't go to reddit.
Vote for Fuzzy Steve! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17085
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Posted - 2014.03.14 08:59:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Marvin Shields wrote:Sorry, are we supposed to take the words THE MOST PROMINENT EVE PLAYER IN EVE HISTORY let spew forth from his mouth and just cast them aside BECAUSE HE WAS DRUNK? Wait, when was Chribba drunk? Chribba's secret is that he is always drunk.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1064
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:30:00 -
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Quote:Why is all of that creativity and freedom being used to harass new players? I just don't understand it.
Not all, but you will see and hear more about it being used that way. Because of butthurt. _¦Å-æ-»¦Ñ¦¼-Ä_-¢-å¦ä_-½-»-å¦ÿ-ò-û¦¦ |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2669
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:32:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Some people simply have poisonous mentalities. Bullied little fat kids who turn to the internet to get their revenge on the world.
Some of us have more positive attitudes.
Infinity Ziona wrote: Few months ago NC. lured a guy recovering from cancer on the pretext he could join their alliance and blew him and all his stuff up for lols.
the guy's rl situation has nothing to do with the game, it was unfair of him to try and guilt people into giving him an ingame advantage. it wasn't the alliance that tricked the guy, it was some random in their chat. and that arse ragemailed me with 'i hope you get cancer too'. there's one person at fault in that situation |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
11271
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Posted - 2014.03.14 10:01:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Marvin Shields wrote:Sorry, are we supposed to take the words THE MOST PROMINENT EVE PLAYER IN EVE HISTORY let spew forth from his mouth and just cast them aside BECAUSE HE WAS DRUNK? Wait, when was Chribba drunk? Chribba's secret is that he is always drunk. I'm so drunk you can't even notice it! It's as if I was sober, but I'm not, except I am.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1703
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Posted - 2014.03.14 10:08:00 -
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Each game has its own community. Each community has its **** heads. Its just how the community evolved over the years. Its what makes the game unique, its what makes each game unique.
Some people are good, some are bad. Welcome to the human race! Azami Nevinyrall for CSM9! |
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
961
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Posted - 2014.03.14 10:08:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:SSDD
I think you missed the part in the thread title where it said serious discussion. Why is it so hard to understand that all the things you whine about players doing fall within the rules of the game? More to the point, why are you even here? You obviously aren't happy so maybe you should try doing something else with your time. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
74
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Posted - 2014.03.14 10:12:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote: Wait, when was Chribba drunk?
Damn, beat me to it.
Notorious does not equal prominent |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2098
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Posted - 2014.03.14 10:17:00 -
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Marvin Shields wrote: ... But do we have any that show how many have left? Or why they left? Why doesn't CCP have an exit survey for those who never finished their trial, or who subbed for a month but never came back, or who played for X years but stopped altogether?
When you cancel your sub there is an exit survey asking why you are leaving eve fyi .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2014.03.14 10:35:00 -
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Reddit. There is your problem. Prime example of a toxic community, as you call it. |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2098
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Posted - 2014.03.14 10:39:00 -
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Marvin Shields wrote: I swear though, it's like the people who want to be rampaging psycopaths in real life but can't for obvious reasons decided one day to start up an Eve subscription and then started referring buddies, because the amount of - Or should I say, the sheer lack of humanity I see in this game on a daily basis makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. I'm not a goddamned saint, not in-game or IRL, but the crap some players do is just disgusting.
I think you're vision of human behaviour is mostly based on ideals and dreams instead of reality then.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
814
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Posted - 2014.03.14 10:43:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:I think my experience in the game has been different. There are intelligent people everywhere, and many of them go the extra mile to help you, provided you are able to help yourself. I love how connected corp mates are socially, through Jabber and Mumble.
/Fÿ¡
This is my experiance too. everywhere i have gone in eve i have found friendly people willing to help. Oh except in highsec carebear corps. There i found nothing but apathy and disinterest. Eve is all about communities and people that are incapable of joining a good one will ofc have a poorer experience than people who do manage to join one or more decent communities Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
29
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Posted - 2014.03.14 10:43:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Marvin Shields wrote: I swear though, it's like the people who want to be rampaging psycopaths in real life but can't for obvious reasons decided one day to start up an Eve subscription and then started referring buddies, because the amount of - Or should I say, the sheer lack of humanity I see in this game on a daily basis makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. I'm not a goddamned saint, not in-game or IRL, but the crap some players do is just disgusting.
I think you're vision of human behaviour is mostly based on ideals and dreams instead of reality then.
Only when tyrants and bullies are not held to account by civilized minds. I.E. the people that make the rules
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
46
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Posted - 2014.03.14 10:47:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:flakeys wrote:Marvin Shields wrote: I swear though, it's like the people who want to be rampaging psycopaths in real life but can't for obvious reasons decided one day to start up an Eve subscription and then started referring buddies, because the amount of - Or should I say, the sheer lack of humanity I see in this game on a daily basis makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. I'm not a goddamned saint, not in-game or IRL, but the crap some players do is just disgusting.
I think you're vision of human behaviour is mostly based on ideals and dreams instead of reality then. Only when tyrants and bullies are not held to account by civilized minds. I.E. the people that make the rules
I think you'll find that what draws the majority of Eve players to Eve is that it lacks lots of "rules." It's why I'm here
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flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2098
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Posted - 2014.03.14 10:58:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I am reasonably certain that more than one CCP exec stays awake late at night, worrying that Star Citizen, or some other like game, has game mechanics and moderators that actively discourage the type of sociopathic behaviour that CCP embraces and celebrates.
When that game is finally built, even if it half as visually appealing as Eve, and one-quarter the depth of the Eve, will be the catalyst of an exodus of paying customers. No doubt a significant percentage of the Eve player population will cheer that exodus, giddy that all the "carebear losers have finally left THEIR game", but the accountants know better.
I eagerly anticipate that day as well, but clearly not for the reasons that the myopic sadists do. God, this will be a glorious day. I-¦ve been waiting for it for years as well. The ganker community is pathetic and the toxic trolls calling people trolls when they are in fact spot on, are no less vitriolic.
So because a few guys feel like behaving like little bratts you guys are hoping eve goes flat on it's face , not thinking about a big majority of players who don't harass anyone and enjoy the game who will not enjoy a mass exodus.
Who wants to ruin who's day again ?
Thank you for proving what i said above about human behaviour ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2098
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Posted - 2014.03.14 11:04:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Kyperion wrote:flakeys wrote:Marvin Shields wrote: I swear though, it's like the people who want to be rampaging psycopaths in real life but can't for obvious reasons decided one day to start up an Eve subscription and then started referring buddies, because the amount of - Or should I say, the sheer lack of humanity I see in this game on a daily basis makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. I'm not a goddamned saint, not in-game or IRL, but the crap some players do is just disgusting.
I think you're vision of human behaviour is mostly based on ideals and dreams instead of reality then. Only when tyrants and bullies are not held to account by civilized minds. I.E. the people that make the rules I think you'll find that what draws the majority of Eve players to Eve is that it lacks lots of "rules." It's why I'm here
And as such show true human behaviour , taking into account that we still DO have certain rules set in eve so imagine what would happen if even those where lifted .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
991
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Posted - 2014.03.14 11:10:00 -
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Marvin Shields wrote:People are leaving this game, daily, because they cannot handle the harassment, the griefing, the scamming, and the constant fear of losing everything they own or a chunk of their paycheck because of some opportunistic ass with an itchy F1 finger.
I'm not an alt of James Arget and I am not running for CSM, so believe me when I say this **** needs to go.
Thoughts?!
If this is the constant fear in their life, then they must have a pretty privileged life. |
Inari Visas
X-Prot
40
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Posted - 2014.03.14 11:16:00 -
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This thread is amazing.
I have never seen a more abusive discussion about the subject of moral responsibility. |
Freako X
Doom Inc
126
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Posted - 2014.03.14 11:49:00 -
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OP is correct. Eve is viewed as a mean-spirited community driven game.
On one hand, I accept it and move on ...
On another hand, I ignore the malcontents and move on .....
But the truth is that the perceived culture of Eve is negative and abusive. That reflects on me as a gamer and I 'should' be upset and I 'should' be more proactive to help fight that perception.
Truth is that I am lucky to get a good 4-8 hours of uninterrupted game play a month. The game does not take up enough of my valuable free time to warrant a virtual crusade. Don't get me wrong, the haters are on a crusade because life is just not fair to them so it's payback time in an anonymous environment. It requires a counter crusade, revolution, to combat that culture. Especially since it is a headless culture.
CCP 'could' moderate local channels and temporarily block avatars with a history of aggressive, abusive communication. They won't. CCP could treat corp leaders as .... well ... leaders and temporarily remove their ability to use public chat channels (including fleets and private channels outside of corporate and private chats) if their business promotes hate. They won't. CCP could invoke a noise pollution tax on characters or corp (or individual) earnings if they are found guilty of promoting a negative culture. They won't.
I commend the OP for the courage to put a well thought out, well written essay on the forums to spur a discussion. I will continue to do what I always do ... do my small part to have a positive impact. I can't carry the banner as the game is a game and not important enough for me to take up a crusade.
Peace. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
293
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Posted - 2014.03.14 12:01:00 -
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I think the eaelier comment by someone, that much uneccessary and unfounded disgruntlement is actually rooted in some peoples inability or unwillingness to accept or understand the nature of this game as compared to many other MMOs, rather than the "toxiccommunity", is very true.
Its not the behavior of other people towards them that is the problem, the problem is their own attitude.
If I walk around in life with unrealistic expectations both of the way the world works and of the nature of my fellow mankind, I will be repeatedly dissappointed and angry, not because of what other autonomous people are doing in it, but because I am so stupid as to assume I am responsible for, or capable of controlling, anyone else except myself.
These people dont seem to understand the fundamental link between the ability to control an outcome, and being responsible for it.
I am not responsible for how others view my actions. Why? Because I have no business or auspice to control how they view it. That is their own prerogative, purview and privilege and one I cannot determine or define. Its in their own head to which I have no access or business.
Reciprocally, this also means that though they are free to view my actions as they wish, their views have NO control over my own autonomous choices in my own life. Their views are their own, and not mine, and do not define how I choose to live my life, no matter how they try to claim that theirs is the "right" way.
But many people dont understand this. They think because they dont "like" something, that somehow means they are entitled to judge and restrict those who do like that.
How does this translate in EVE?
As some people who expect others to behave according to how THEY demand and perceive they should, according to their own internal system of beliefs. Is that fair towards the other person? Hell no. Does that entitle them to dictate how others should behave or think? Absolutely not. Why not? Becuase the same rationale could be levelled right back at them, and they, in return, be expected (against their own autonomy and self-determination) to act as those other people whom they presume to dictate to, dictate right back to them.
Its a ridiculous arrangement, premise and approach to interaction with others.
Its also extremely offensive and socially reprehenensible to even THINK you are in somekind of position to dictate to others how they should behave. It is none of your business. You have no control over how others behave, only over how YOU yourself behave.
I am not responsible for how you feel about something. I am not responsible to your personal view on how "things should be". I am not beholden to act as you in your head think I should. You dont, and cant, control me, nor I you.
Its abhorrent to even think or attempt otherwise, and yet that is exactly what this thread is trying to defend.
Stop trying to dictate how others live their lives and how they choose to conduct themselves. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
719
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Posted - 2014.03.14 12:12:00 -
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too long; didn't read Not today spaghetti. |
Malcolm from Marketing
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.03.14 12:17:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I am reasonably certain that more than one CCP exec stays awake late at night, worrying that Star Citizen, or some other like game, has game mechanics and moderators that actively discourage the type of sociopathic behaviour that CCP embraces and celebrates.
When that game is finally built, even if it half as visually appealing as Eve, and one-quarter the depth of the Eve, will be the catalyst of an exodus of paying customers. No doubt a significant percentage of the Eve player population will cheer that exodus, giddy that all the "carebear losers have finally left THEIR game", but the accountants know better.
I eagerly anticipate that day as well, but clearly not for the reasons that the myopic sadists do.
This is me.
I only have 4 account which i pay for with real money, but EVE isnt dying, it's just getting more hostile every passing year.
4 years ago when i started, missioners could do their thing without worrying about being ganked, baited by loot thief's or some other such activity, same for miners and every other high sec carebear, sure they all got talked down to for not playing the game how others thought it should be played, but it was tollerable.
Now, for me at least, EVE isnt as appealing, i can only play sporadically due to family/work/real life so used to enjoy hopping on to go exploring for a couple of hours, running a few missions, or anything else i fancied doing at the time, now, i cant do that in peace knowing some douche can just suicide gank me for funsies and hopefully tears. That's just not enjoyable.
Im really looking forward to Star Citizen and what it could offer and morph into over time, and can see myself cancelling all my subs and going to a game i can enjoy MY WAY and not have to fear assholes out to ruin my fun in highsec.
The only way i see this being remedied is if CCP cut down Concord response times 50-75% for all highsec systems to make ganking and harassment extremely hard for all those but the most dedicated of douchbags.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20021
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Posted - 2014.03.14 12:29:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Now, for me at least, EVE isnt as appealing, i can only play sporadically due to family/work/real life so used to enjoy hopping on to go exploring for a couple of hours, running a few missions, or anything else i fancied doing at the time, now, i cant do that in peace knowing some douche can just suicide gank me for funsies and hopefully tears. That's just not enjoyable. So here's a question: what is keeping you from taking precautions to ensure that this doesn't happen? Has it ever happened? And should it ever happen, how will it affect your gameplay? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2912
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Posted - 2014.03.14 12:31:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with the Eve community. Grow up, OP. Oh god. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
294
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Posted - 2014.03.14 12:34:00 -
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@Malcolm:
So just to clarify, are you stating that you want to be immune from player aggression in high-sec?
Is that an accurate summation of your post? |
Malcolm from Marketing
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.03.14 12:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:So here's a question: what is keeping you from taking precautions to ensure that this doesn't happen? Has it ever happened? And should it ever happen, how will it affect your gameplay?
Fortunately i've never been caught no, but thats probably more down to my paranoid nature when logging into this game, new players dont have that paranoia about them, and only get it once they've been blown up a few times, maybe the first time losing a ship to PVP they didnt ask for is enough for them to delete the client, i dunno, but thats what im getting at. Douche players will force PVP on to new players if they want it or not, and that quite frankly is not appealing what so ever when taking your first few steps in a new game.
Now, IF it did happen and i got ganked or some such, then im experienced enough to deal with it, learn from it and avoid it next time, but that just me, someone who's played just over 4 years, not a new player a day/month into EVE.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:@Malcolm:
So just to clarify, are you stating that you want to be immune from player aggression in high-sec?
Is that an accurate summation of your post?
Absolutely not no, but making it much more of a pain for the instigator and with harsher consequences would be a welcome more and make EVE more attractive to new players that DONT want to PVP that 3yr old player in highsec.
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