You're moving the goalposts.

The probability that all 450,000(ish) TQ accounts randomly agree on a matter is 1:2^450,000(ish) (or, more accurately, the probability that they hold at least one opinion on the matter, to the power of 450,000). This is a non-zero value.
If they all agree, the opinion they all hold on the matter is represented on the CSM.

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All it takes, is one dissenter.

Even if they disagree, so long as at least one member of the CSM holds the same viewpoint they are still represented

Nope. That just invalidates that particular case, not the probability itself

You have not invalidated that particular case always being the case, however.

You might as well try to argue that the chance gravity will magically turn off is 1/X.
There is no figure small enough to represent that probability. That is called 0.

Remember, if the CSM / Government takes your interests into consideration, they are representing you whether you voted for them or not.

You would have to define the parameters of magic before we could calculate the probability.

That part I do not agree on, and that is the division between us.
We will have to agree to disagree.

That part I do not agree on, and that is the division between us.
We will have to agree to disagree.

Fortunately facts don't require your agreement to remain true.

So do you deny that the CSM represents me, a non-voter? I feel they represent me quite well.

You have not invalidated that particular case always being the case, however.

There is no figure small enough to represent that probability. That is called 0.

Nobody can claim to represent me, who I have not empowered to do so.

The means whereby I would empower them is formally by voting, or informally by acknowledging that that person is empowered by me to represent my interests.

Nobody can claim to represent me without my explicit consent.

As long as I with-hold that consent. it cannot be said that the CSM CAN ever be fully representative of the entirety of EVEs population.

"Your elected representatives represent you, whether you took part in the process or not."
I did not elect them. They are not my elected representative.
Just as it cannot be said that even if I did vote, the person who I did NOT vote for, can claim to be representative of me.
He cannot. I did not vote for him.

Yes I have, and to a far higher degree and precision than you've been able to demonstrate that it will always be the case. Statistics GÇö it's like magic, only not. And again, what happens in practice doesn't actually invalidate the probability.

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You cannot prove that the conditions you speculate can ever come to pass.

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You cannot prove that the conditions you speculate can ever come to pass.
Thus there is no way to assign a figure higher than 0 to the likelihood of it ever coming to pass.

There are many probabilities which are zero.

This is one of them.

Jesus.

Y'all are terrible people.

First off, CSM represents all players. Regardless if they share your opinion or not they are the elected representation of the player body, period. Secondly, I wish a pox upon you and all your houses.

Actually, by refusing to empower someone to represent you, you empower everyone else to by default. It doesn't matter if you don't stand behind them, since you are not standing against them. Refusing to take part in the process does not invalidate the legitimacy of the process, you just remove any ability on your part to influence it.

I always laugh when groups push for a "voting boycott". They argue that their refusal to vote renders the results illegitimate, when the truth is, they were in the minority, they always knew they were in the minority, so their boycott is just a juvenile attempt to not be seen as losing.

Sorry, CSM does not represent all players.
Are they an elected body, of course.

But to put in a real world context, ask the majority of the Iraqi populace if ****** *******'s Ba'ath Party represented them.

Prove it.

You just proved it for me.

It has been proven. It's a mathematical impossibility for the likelihood to be 0. If you were to line up ever possible combination of players in a line of infinite length, with each player having a a state of "represented" and "not represented" for an indeterminate number of players (0 to infinity), then every combination of states must be possible. So no players being represented is a possibility, all players being represented is a possibility, as is every single ratio of represented:not represented in between.

Feel free to ask any professional mathematician the same question and they will concur.

Sorry, CSM does not represent all players.
Are they an elected body, of course.

But to put in a real world context, ask the majority of the Iraqi populace if ****** *******'s Ba'ath Party represented them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_%28politics%29
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_%28politics%29
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Thats pretty false actually. It can very well be 0. If no one runs that is a 0% chance of representation. If CCP eliminates the CSM that is a 0% chance of representation.

If you want to talk about statistical probability there are literally dozens of elements that can make probability 0%. Infact there are probably more realistic probable outcomes where the % of variance becomes 0% then it does trending to 100%.

For what purpose? The CSM is player elected representation. Just because you don't like the people chosen does not mean they do not represent the player body.

God damn.