Hey guys, thanks for the feedback so far.

One thing I want to clarify so that people don't panic, this proposal and any potential change on this scale would not be in the cards for the Summer expansion. We want to get the discussion going early with the intent of continuing it over time (especially at Fanfest).

Thanks for posting to ensure this thread gets another 30 pages of the same argument. /rolls eyes

Perhaps it could have been better if you could provide some feedback on your design goals for your idea. Do your statistics indicate there isn't enough PVP going on or is there too much PVE going on, more then CCP would like?

Any chance you could give us some statistics as to what your going on with your idea flipping the board game to a side of a very dangerous WH space? Please don't stick the hard line that releasing statistics breaks immersion of gameplay, we would like to argue against your current iteration of your ideas with the figures you are working on that lead you to your idea.

Also you mentioned in your OP that the design team is looking at several ideas, if the only one idea you have mentioned is this bad (And its no longer just my opinion it is bad anymore, its 30 pages of whats looking like 90% of people agree its a bad idea) can we please hear your other ideas or concepts you are looking into?

If you want to get our community involvement please do it with us in a more meaningful way and less token piece please.

sigs should not auto pop up on scanner but they should always be probable.

This. Really simple

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We investigated what would be involved with delaying the appearance of signatures on the sensor overlay, but that solution is somewhat unsatisfactory since players could always return to the old trick of spamming probe scans to check for the new sigs. Basically, the Sensor Overlay had only made the existing problem more visible, and it would be better if we could get right to the source.
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The potential change would be to delay the appearance of the signature beacon when K162 dungeons spawn. This would prevent the dungeon from appearing on probe scans or the Sensor Overlay for up to a few minutes.
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This paragraph worries me,GÇ£but that solution is somewhat unsatisfactory since players could always return to the old trick of spamming probe scans to check for the new sigsGÇ¥, this trick requires someone to be actively vigilant, and constantly scanning for new signatures, i don't know what CCP plans are but please, don-¦t make more changes that will penalize active play over passive play.

If a fleet is for example running sites, someone will spend all the required time to run such sites spamming the probe scan button to know if a new signature pop up, itGÇÖs not something doing automatically and requires player attention.

Odyssey, automated this process, by updating all the signatures in a system automatically, consequently, removing the edge of being actively vigilant over being passive, and so penalizing corporations that used the active system before (something that I want to believe it was just overlooked at the time).

Alternatively in C5/6 space make it so the next incoming wormhole spawns on grid with the most recently escalated site (or random selection if theres more than one recently escalated) would make things a bit interesting hehe.

Yeah, let's make it more dangerous with some illogical new ideas, so people will just leave wh completely. First the so called carebears, because they won't be able to do anything... then pvp/pve ones, that cannot get enough isks to replace lost pvp ships... then pvp-only ones, because they will be the only ones roaming around, and 90% of them never look for a real fight (pvp vs pvp) and just wanna get kill mails... but with desert wormholes they won't have any target.

I remember the old drug and alcohol free Rroff - He didn't make much sense either but he was a lot easier to cuddle.
Le sigh.

The originally proposed change seems rather poorly thought out.

The only way a wh occupant can identify a new k162 is by having probes out and scanning down the sig; a new sig in the scanner window can be any one of several different sites. In order to cope with the proposed change, the wh pilot need only switch from core probes to combat probes (if he wasn't already using them) and watch for new ship sigs.

Alternatively in C5/6 space make it so the next incoming wormhole spawns on grid with the most recently escalated site (or random selection if theres more than one recently escalated) would make things a bit interesting hehe.

Alternatively in C5/6 space make it so the next incoming wormhole spawns on grid with the most recently escalated site (or random selection if theres more than one recently escalated) would make things a bit interesting hehe.