I also feel the change to require the BPO to be in the POS is a bad idea, and would rather it remained in its current form (as it's not really broken as far as I can see). At the moment my pos, including mods, contents of labs etc is worth around 3B. This amount of isk is not insignificant to me, but would be a loss I could bear. After this change if I just wanted to keep my current production going I would need to have almost 27B at the POS, which is not something I could afford to risk losing.

The proposed improvement to the labs would have to be huge in my eyes to balance out the extra leg work and risk involved in moving a large number of bpos to the pos .

In addition I can't always get online everyday and the same is true of many of the people I play with, and as such if my corp was war dec'd it would be entirely possible for the pos to be shot down before anyone got online to empty it out. In light of the fact you are giving people a much bigger reason to attack a pos are you planning to make any changes to reinforce mechanics and/or the attributes of pos in order to help balance the risk to reward?

If you really are hell bent on making changes to this particular mechanic are there any other options you might consider? Perhaps adding a pos mod that allows the bpo to remain in a station GÇô which would then mean less fitting for labs? Or adding a scaling system whereby the closer to the pos the bpo is the faster it researches (so max speed if its in the pos, then getting slower if in the same system but in a station/different pos)?

Aside from this most of the other changes look interesting and make sense to me, but I would also be interested, as others are, to hear what if any plans you have for standings and the benefits derived from them, as you are removing one of the main reasons people have worked on them in the past.

I see. Then I misunderstood. We have different ideas as to what is good for the use of moons and starbases.

You really need to re-examine this. T2 BPO copies aren't going to get sold for the most part. They'll be used for production, alts will be made to copy in stations in total safety. We'll have to log in slightly more often, but we can still spread our production chain out if need be. This is what I'm pretty sure CCP is expecting.

sorry using your quote here but tippia not all of it is good... this will utterly destroy the ability to make supers and titans. people will have to spend months of time copying BPOs to make these ships since they cannot be produced in a station or in high sec... so tell me how thats good for the economy.

And meanwhile inventors wait until October or December to be competitive with your buff while they work out what to do next.

Casual players are not allowed to play Eve.
Didn't you get the memo?
They are directing anyone who has a real life and can't commit at least 2 hours a day every day to Eve to wait for Star Citizen to boot up.

I must admit, Mike Azariah has done another bang-up job defending the high sec casual player.

yeah no

i make supers and titans and i am not at all complaining about these changes, because i spent the thirty seconds to puzzle out how I adjust given these new systems

if you can't figure it out you probably shouldn't be building supercaps in the first place

um... no. This is actually liable to be more annoying for me than it is you.

You will also get a list of locations you can install the job in the region with a way to compare their relative pricing.

Slightly higher output for T2 BPOs => Slightly lower output for invention => Slightly lower profits for invention.

Your argument is that we should ignore the benefits reaped by T2 BPO owners because they are small. I think that is a move in the wrong direction, and should be avoided. I would like CCP to make a commitment to avoid improving the overall use of T2 BPO for their owners. I am uncertain whether the overall situation will improve for T2 BPO owners. For example, will they end up being required to place their T2 BPO in a POS in order to reach the old levels of production.

Slightly higher output for T2 BPOs => Slightly lower output for invention => Slightly lower profits for invention.

Your argument is that we should ignore the benefits reaped by T2 BPO owners because they are small.

I see. Then I misunderstood. We have different ideas as to what is good for the use of moons and starbases.

sorry using your quote here but tippia not all of it is good... this will utterly destroy the ability to make supers and titans. people will have to spend months of time copying BPOs to make these ships since they cannot be produced in a station or in high sec... so tell me how thats good for the economy.

You are an edge case variant. And are in no way representative of the majority that this change effects.

And meanwhile inventors wait until October or December to be competitive with your buff while they work out what to do next.

Also, read the following line in the devblog again:

GÇó Reduce copy time on all blueprints to be less time consuming than manufacturing something out of it. This gives the option to use blueprint copies to build items at Starbases without risking the original.

Moving the BPO around will be no more needed than it currently is. The big change is rather than you will need to expend one character's research capacity on creating copies to build from.

Ok. I'm intrigued and I'll wait patiently for the rest of the plan to be unveiled.

As someone who builds Titans I'd just like to get another voice behind considerations for POS building.

Reducing copy time would certainly be viable for Hull Building after a brief delay to get copies started after the first post patch build that will be fine.

Components tho. Assuming a 1man corp which is going to be a must without lockdown. You still need to keep either 30Bil of BPOs in a POS anc choose betwen gambling on a successful defense or destroying around 20Bil in minerals to retrieve the BPOs while the POS is being reinforced. Or drastically increase your hauling from Refine minerals in station and haul to POS in system. To Refine minerals in Station and haul through a stargate to an Amarr station and then haul components from station to POS to build the ship off a BPC.

I already use 8 freighters multiboxed and consider the existing movement excessive. This would be hundreds of trips.

Upping the copies on a component BPC to 45-50 would be start as long as copy time is <= build time.

Otherwise allowing mineral recovery when jobs are cancelled would be an option but it forces a very very high attention level on POSes and makes eve a literal job to avoid catastrophic loss of assets.

I know supercap builders are the 1% but please don't make the extreme edge cases of ****** mechanics worse for us.

You will also get a list of locations you can install the job in the region with a way to compare their relative pricing.

You'll have to excuse me if I'm not sympathetic to your having to update your spreadsheets to reflect your new found profits.

Exactly this.

Granted if you want to improve your BPO's or make copies of them at a POS you'll be putting your BPO's at risk... unless there is something up CCP's sleeve.

If they don't then I"m not sure what they will do about research POS hardware, as it likely won't get used much.

Tense reading session...

• Cleaning market groups... sure..
• Stopping the damage... not bad, not bad..
• Extra Materials - still not bad..
• Removing indy slots - Needs way way more details. How will people tell the cost of manu in different areas? This is making some POS obsolete? Why not keep manu slots + add the scaling cost, this way would be easy to spot how busy a station is remotely, allow more slots in LS/NS, etc.
• Allow Starbases to be anchored anywhere in high-security space - Uhmmmm.. makes it too easy imo but I agree standing grind is horrible... okay.
• Having to move blueprints to POS to use them - Wait.... WHAT??!!!! #%)(% *% !)(% !# % % !&% ( #%! % !* % )!%# %&%)(!#% %!#*&^^&) ! #$(* % !#&%(%#!$# !#%&(%#!)#%& ! $ ! $&! )%& % ! %!(%&

Okay... it is apparent that people making the decision on this have never dealt with serious industry production, or are trying to kill personalized production in favor of forcing people to use station services instead of POS and forcing them to spread all over EVE. Why is this apparent? Because anyone who knows how mass production works would shudder at the mere thought of such prospect, let alone think of implementing it. And no, it's not just the security that's at stake.

CCP Ytterbium and everyone else involved, I invite you to join my corporation for a few days. I will walk you through the industry process, especially the way you think it should be done. I encourage you to live through it for a couple of days before you condemn us all to this nightmare of a scenario.

After X days (I say 7-10) after the POS has been without fuel. The POS in question model will change to make it look abandoned. At that point, you can use the Hacking minigame to hack and "Highjack" the POS in question..

With the long-term benefits it provides, I'm fairly certain that keeping those BPOs locked up in the station and just paying the congestion fee for doing the research there will pay itself off in the long run. So that particular sleeve seems to be exposed already.

Let's see who CCP listens to:

1. One of the most famous, long term players in the game, who knows a thing or 2, or a million, about Eve industry.
2. A member of a group dedicated to ruining gameplay for as many as possible, and who is openly gloating over the changes.

um... no. This is actually liable to be more annoying for me than it is you.

i am responding to a guy saying it screws up supercap production which is simply obviously wrong

why you're wrong is just obvious on its face because tons of highsec systems have research and factories in the same system so that effort barrier is flying from one station to another like once a week, hardly some actual effort barrier

effort barrier is flying from one station to another like once a week