40% damage reduction is a pretty great bonus tbh. I mean, in any other situation they're garbage, but since we're living ina world where people fly phoenixes, might as well pretend people will use rags.

Okay, time to eat some humble pie. I can't remember, for the life of me -- did Guided Missile Precision get changed to affect torpedoes, HAMs, and rockets? Checking chruker.dk leads me to believe this is the case, since all missiles have the "aimedLaunch" property at 1, but I can't find any indication from Google that this was changed.

If Guided Missile Precision affects capital torps, then the 50% increase in explosion radius isn't quite as bad as it looks.

For all the people moaning about increased Explosion Radius...

1. TPs work on capital ships as well as subcaps (when they're not in siege/triage)
2. Capital rigor rigs reduce explosion radii by 15% for T1 and 20% for T2

So there might be a new "standard phoenix fit". So what. That's not unusual after a significant rebalance like this.

theyre increasing poses from 2k to 3k so they can apply damage

dreads/carriers are around 2.9k~ without links and sub 2k with

engage your brain

For all the people moaning about increased Explosion Radius...

1. TPs work on capital ships as well as subcaps (when they're not in siege/triage)
2. Capital rigor rigs reduce explosion radii by 15% for T1 and 20% for T2

So there might be a new "standard phoenix fit". So what. That's not unusual after a significant rebalance like this.

So, you don't know if it does or not. Thanks for sharing.

For all the people moaning about increased Explosion Radius...

1. TPs work on capital ships as well as subcaps (when they're not in siege/triage)
2. Capital rigor rigs reduce explosion radii by 15% for T1 and 20% for T2

So there might be a new "standard phoenix fit". So what. That's not unusual after a significant rebalance like this.

I suspect the people that think this is a major buff don't use phoenixes and are assuming only a cruel god would nerf them at this point.

Right now the biggest weakness they have is that they need 2 rapiers on grid to so much as touch battleships. Now carriers sig tank them. There was always a running joke of carriers speed tanking them but they almost never did. Now we need carriers to light micros to hit them for full damage which I'd call way worse.

It doesn't: 2k is current max, 3k is new.

Brain engaged.

Is this back calculated from the flippant comment's vignette about the situation or is it a result of actually knowing? It's entirely possible that the increase in POS module signature radiuses was performed without taking skills into account. It's not a very good indicator of reality.

Is this back calculated from the flippant comment's vignette about the situation or is it a result of actually knowing? It's entirely possible that the increase in POS module signature radiuses was performed without taking skills into account. It's not a very good indicator of reality.

GMP does affect citadel torps, so at GMP V, citadel torps will have 2250 radius, which is larger than most linked armor caps (shield caps get hit for full damage).

With 52.5 explosion velocity, they won't get speed tanked too badly by moving caps, the target speed/exp velocity ratio against a moving carrier drops from ~2.5 to 1.5 (other than the nid).

In practice this should be about 30-50% more DPS against moving caps.

Guided Missile Precision does indeed apply to all Citadel Missiles.

Settle down kids.

so you're saying ccp are either increasing pos sig radii for no reason

OR

ccp are nerfing pheonix damage to stationary sieged dreads into the ground

i'm glad we agree on one thing

Guided Missile Precision does indeed apply to all Citadel Missiles.

Settle down kids.

Guided Missile Precision does indeed apply to all Citadel Missiles.

Settle down kids.

We're buffing the explosion velocity of Citadel Cruises by 38%, and nerfing their explosion radius by 14%.
We're buffing the explosion velocity of Citadel Torps by 75%, and nerfing their explosion radius by 50%.

One side effect of such significant changes is that the Torps would start doing reduced damage to starbase modules and to small towers themselves. So we're increasing the sig radius of all starbase structures that sit outside the shields from 2000 to 3000, small towers from 2000 to 4000 and medium towers from 4000 to 5000.

Let me know what you think.

Unless UI is lying to me (which is very well may) it doesn't right now.

It's probably just being done so that if you have GMP at zero, you aren't at a disadvantage for shooting stationary structures, since missiles still enjoy damage reduction if the thing you are shooting is smaller than the explosion radius of the missile you are firing, regardless of whether it moves or not.

noone said otherwise

what we're talking about is that you increased pos mods to 3k so they'd get hit for decent damage, and yet sieged dreads sit sub 2k

that's quite the stretch you must admit

They only sit sub 2k if they have a ragnarok passing bonuses in fleet.

I mean, if you want to bring a ragnarok with you on every single pos shot that you do on the off chance that a phoenix fleet shows up, so you can take 90% of the damage you would otherwise just by dint of your ragnarok bonuses, then I'd say go hog wild.

I won't rule out a UI bug. If so please file a bug report and we'll get our best people on it.

Read the post above yours. :V

that's quite the stretch you must admit

edit: looks like you were either right or fozzie saw what you said and decided it fit the bill
66% sized topes etc