Again no.

Angel is turret, you can use e-war weapon medium range
Serpentis also turret, you can use e-war weapon medium range
Mordus Missile , none

This configuration with no real E-war.
Long range weapon, speed tank and long range disrupt

it's hydre at 5 head.

And? You can do this in almost any battleship in the current state anyway, MJD is like a get out of jail free card for battleships.

I think you're ignoring the scram range superiority of the barghest. IT gets to choose when to leave, not the non-Mordus opponent.

Pvp is as much (more) about dictating the terms of the encounter as anything else. The Mordus ships hold all the cards in this respect without having to give up speed, damage or tank.

i love all the "it has no counter" posts when i'm pretty sure grath pointed out about 20 pages ago the obvious and common counter to these ships.

(hint: he said sensor damps)

To FOCUS means to concentrate on ONE thing. Either they are fast, OR they are good missileboats OR they excel in tackling opponents. FOCUSING on THREE things is denying the meaning of FOCUS at all.

Maybe it is clear now why this concept will not work well. It is just too much focusing on too many things.

Grath is wrong. A pair of unbonused senor damps still leave the ship plenty of safe operating room, and a dedicated sensor damp ship only counters it insofar as a rack of bonused damps counter every. Which, to be fair, they do, but that's not a peculiar weakness.

Yes, but this only applies to the frigate as very few ships in the game can match it's speed allowing it to dictate. When it comes to the BS though then it isn't going to be able to dictate against many of the ships it will come up against as BS's are inherently slow, even the fastest ones.

Grath is wrong. A pair of unbonused senor damps still leave the ship plenty of safe operating room, and a dedicated sensor damp ship only counters it insofar as a rack of bonused damps counter every. Which, to be fair, they do, but that's not a peculiar weakness.

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GARMUR

Caldari Frigate Bonus per level:
25% bonus to missile damage

Gallente Frigate Bonus per level:
10% bonus to warp scrambler and warp disruptor range

Role Bonus:
200% bonus to missile velocity
50% penalty to missile flight time

Slot layout: 3H, 4M, 3L; 0 turrets, 3 launchers
Fittings: 38 PWG, 178 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 680 / 590 / 560
Capacitor (amount / cap/sec) : 400 / 2.05
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 415 / 3.2 / 987000 / 4.38s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 28km / 650 / 5
Sensor strength: 13
Signature radius: 32

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LoL I see nice use for those ships, but overpowered? Isn't the new Sansha the perfect counter to this? I sometimes hunt in low sec and the typical LS fleet could have trouble with this. But you can simply not engage... with most fights happening at the gates and stations, kitting ships have serious limitations. Enlighten me if I wrong. Besides I mostly fly in WH where those ships would just get blown to pieces...

Dumps work well. Do not want dumps, use ecm or web.

The cruiser looks decent, but I don't really see the reason why everyone is feeling so worried about it. An interceptor will easily be able to shut it down.



The Phantasm is going to be great, but people seem to be forgetting that it's speed bonus only applies to AB's. So when it comes to max velocity it isn't actually very fast at all compared to its peers who will be equipped with a MWD.

Well we will need EFT to know for sure. Thx to extra lows Phantasm can equip more internal nano structures. Besides don't forget 100mn Phantasms . I don't know the exact numbers but won't Sansha on AB be quite immune to missile fire? Huge speed, no sig increase?

It's like tengu 100 mn not more and the acceleration it's not good, the range also of laser is not terrible. You can easily tackle this ship (phantasm) with a sentinel It's absolue not the same problem than mordu's.
And the Phantasm don't have a long disrupt, don't have long range dps don't have high speed.
it's more small sig and tanking.

Again, all a damp or ECM ship will be able to do is escape, they don't have the speed to catch up to the Garmur, but you are another one who seems to be under the illusion that a competent Garmur pilot will let you get in range to scram it.

As I mentioned before, the only ships that would really work are a Loki or Rapier with bonused webs, but I'd hardly call that a viable counter for dealing with a frigate.

The cruiser looks decent, but I don't really see the reason why everyone is feeling so worried about it. An interceptor will easily be able to shut it down.



The Phantasm is going to be great, but people seem to be forgetting that it's speed bonus only applies to AB's. So when it comes to max velocity it isn't actually very fast at all compared to its peers who will be equipped with a MWD.

Clueless 9/10

It's like tengu 100 mn not more and the acceleration it's not good, the range also of laser is not terrible.

Grath is wrong. A pair of unbonused senor damps still leave the ship plenty of safe operating room, and a dedicated sensor damp ship only counters it insofar as a rack of bonused damps counter every. Which, to be fair, they do, but that's not a peculiar weakness.

Competent pilot will not let?!! What kiting expierence do you have? Even the best pilots often lose their kiting ships by faults,errors, blobs, baits and etc.

Actually I've tried out the idea of 100mn Phantasm's and unlike a missile Drake or Tengu, it's simply fail.

THese things whiel strong are not unkillable if the nanophoon was not.

LEt see. wait 2 months after the expansion hits and comapre what YOUR results will be with your ideas agaisnt what Pursuit of Happyness will achieve. ok? But please do not cry after....

LEt see. wait 2 months after the expansion hits and comapre what YOUR results will be with your ideas agaisnt what Pursuit of Happyness will achieve. ok? But please do not cry after....