Cool. Can you also detail how BPCs for these ships will be made available.

I would presume the Mordus LP store, but I think I also heard that BPCs will drop in other ways?

Cool. Can you also detail how BPCs for these ships will be made available.

I would presume the Mordus LP store, but I think I also heard that BPCs will drop in other ways?

Are those missile bonus including rapid launchers?
Do they include rockets and HAMs as well?

200% bonus to speed + 50% penalty to flight time = 50% bonus to range.


Where X is speed, and Y is flight time:
XY is Range.

With bonuses and penalties:
3X * 0.5Y = 1.5XY

by 200% bonus, do you mean 3x or 2x?

3x

200% bonus is read as adding 200%

Still kinda miffed that Mordu's Legion ships aren't ECM based like the lore dictates.

This! Why give bonus and penalty at the same time???

Will they get new stations?

25% bonus to missile damage

@ CCP Rise

http://i.imgur.com/a5IoojA.jpg

The art here shows 8 turrents, we were all hoping finally for an 8 launcher BS, and with the low damage bonuses these have it would seem they were primed and ready for an 8 launcher boat, yet its only got 7.

Is this a typo?

I though we were done with this kind of confusing bonus? Why not give them less velocity bonus and do away with the flight penalty? It only matters for the first wave or missiles anyway.

@ CCP Rise

http://i.imgur.com/a5IoojA.jpg

The art here shows 8 turrents, we were all hoping finally for an 8 launcher BS, and with the low damage bonuses these have it would seem they were primed and ready for an 8 launcher boat, yet its only got 7.

Is this a typo?

This. It would appear that the missile bonuses apply to all missile types regardless?

This! Why give bonus and penalty at the same time???

Cool. Can you also detail how BPCs for these ships will be made available.

I would presume the Mordus LP store, but I think I also heard that BPCs will drop in other ways?

Can't we just give ALL missiles a much needed velocity boost and flight time nerf. Then give these ships a role bonus that add something to them instead of a band-aid fix to a broken weapon system?

So what you're telling me is, they were designed around being Caldari/Minmatar and we'd finally get some nice missile kiters, but then the lore precluded this? :P

Among other reasons: faster missiles are harder to firewall.

I hope there's a plan in place to ensure adequate supply of these.

Considering there is but a single Mordus level 4 agent in the game, a Barghest will cost as much as a Moros if nothing is done on that front.

Look no further than the Nestor to see what a problem undersupply can be.

This thread will be focused on the ships themselves, details about how to get them should be coming shortly but we're still making some tweaks to that.

Mordu's ships are focused on three main themes: speed, missiles, and warp scram/disruptor range. The primary goal is to have a very capable set of kiting ships that are especially attractive to PVPers. They will get bonuses from Caldari and Gallente spaceship command skills. We initially wanted to fill the Caldari/Minmatar faction gap, but the existing factions didn't really support that and adding story and assets for an entirely new faction wasn't practical. Mordu's Legion suits our goals extremely well in every other way so we are very happy with them (and their scary stealth pizza pan art).

Look forward to hearing what you guys think, we are pretty excited.

For a ship that's supposed to kite, the frigate has a really low lock range.

I'm no genius but kiting BS's are really a "thing". I know theres some spped mach, navy mega etc. fits out there but in general in a BS you are brawling or sniping straight up. Assuming the Barghest is gonna be around a bil, in what way is it better than a Golem or CNR? Links plus RF Disruptor does the job. I'm kinda disappointed. I was expecting some akin to the Vindi webs like a explo rad bonus so torps can do full damage to a battleship. CCP hates missiles it seems :/ Does any1 disagree?

EDIT: Arent* really a thing

Say hello to the newest pirate faction in New Eden, Mordu's Legion.

This thread will be focused on the ships themselves, details about how to get them should be coming shortly but we're still making some tweaks to that.

Mordu's ships are focused on three main themes: speed, missiles, and warp scram/disruptor range. The primary goal is to have a very capable set of kiting ships that are especially attractive to PVPers. They will get bonuses from Caldari and Gallente spaceship command skills. We initially wanted to fill the Caldari/Minmatar faction gap, but the existing factions didn't really support that and adding story and assets for an entirely new faction wasn't practical. Mordu's Legion suits our goals extremely well in every other way so we are very happy with them (and their scary stealth pizza pan art).

Look forward to hearing what you guys think, we are pretty excited.

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GARMUR

Caldari Frigate Bonus per level:
25% bonus to missile damage

Gallente Frigate Bonus per level:
10% bonus to warp scrambler and warp disruptor range

Role Bonus:
200% bonus to missile velocity
50% penalty to missile flight time

Slot layout: 3H, 4M, 3L; 0 turrets, 3 launchers
Fittings: 38 PWG, 178 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 680 / 590 / 560
Capacitor (amount / cap/sec) : 400 / 2.05
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 415 / 3.2 / 987000 / 4.38s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 28km / 650 / 5
Sensor strength: 13
Signature radius: 32

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ORTHRUS

Caldari Cruiser Bonus per level:
20% bonus to missile damage

Gallente Cruiser Bonus per level:
10% bonus to warp scrambler and warp disruptor range

Role Bonus:
200% bonus to missile velocity
50% penalty to missile flight time

Slot layout: 6H, 5M, 4L; 0 turrets, 5 launchers
Fittings: 900 PWG, 390 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 2950 / 2280 / 2100
Capacitor (amount / cap/sec) : 1550 / 3.16
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 245 / .48 / 9362000 / 6.23s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 25
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km / 300 / 7
Sensor strength: 21
Signature radius: 120

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BARGHEST

Caldari Battleship Bonus per level:
5% bonus to missile damage

Gallente Battleship Bonus per level:
10% bonus to warp scrambler and warp disruptor range

Role Bonus:
200% bonus to missile velocity
50% penalty to missile flight time

Slot layout: 8H, 6M, 6L; 0 turrets, 7 launchers
Fittings: 11600 PWG, 700 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 11200 / 8750 / 8100
Capacitor (amount / cap/sec) : 6100 / 5.28
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 148 / .098 / 98467000 / 13.38s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 76km / 110 / 7
Sensor strength: 29
Signature radius: 370

Adjusted OP to reflect that missile damage bonuses are all per level.

Fozzie putting together a blurb on where the BPCs will come from and I'll update OP with that soon. Short version is that they will be available for Mordu's Legion LP as well as off new NPCs in low sec.

So what you're telling me is, they were designed around being Caldari/Minmatar and we'd finally get some nice missile kiters, but then the lore precluded this? :P

I'm Disappointed in the slot layout on the BS 6 Mids when it's designed to have a point means your going to be trying to fit a 4 slot tank (after prop mod & point ) CCP please drop the ultility High a give it another Mid

I'm Disappointed in the slot layout on the BS 6 Mids when it's designed to have a point means your going to be trying to fit a 4 slot tank (after prop mod & point ) CCP please drop the ultility High a give it another Mid

leaving 4 slots, 2 extenders, 1 em and 1 adaptive... I think for the price (500ish?, wild guess) the ship needs greater tanking capabilties when it's bonus's specificly take away mid slots.

200% bonus to speed + 50% penalty to flight time = 50% bonus to range.


Where X is speed, and Y is flight time:
XY is Range.

With bonuses and penalties:
3X * 0.5Y = 1.5XY

I have great concerns about the bhaghests tanking capability with only 6 mid slots and no shiled bonus of any kind.
1 slot has to go to disruptor/scram
1 to prop mod
leaving 4 slots, 2 extenders, 1 em and 1 adaptive... I think for the price (500ish?, wild guess) the ship needs greater tanking capabilties when it's bonus's specificly take away mid slots.

I recommend 4 % shield resists per level, or an additional mid slot.
maybe give it t2 resists or close to so that the ship can be truly gloriously fit with dual point like it's ment to without losing all of it's tank.

Point range bonus on the BS seems to be useless.

It looks like they need more targeting range. The ship bonuses seem to lend them to extreme missile range, but they don't have the targeting to capitalize on that.

It looks like they need more targeting range. The ship bonuses seem to lend them to extreme missile range, but they don't have the targeting to capitalize on that.

the velocity/flight time thing is not confusing, its good.

Tell us where these ships come from. I'm hoping a combo of LP plus the lowsec drops mentioned at fanfest.

So, the Garmur at least is yet another continuation of the lml-based absurdity that's been going on since Inferno. It's going to be a repeat of the Crow and Malediction, but even more egregious. A fast frigate that can point and spew missiles out to 36km (and then add links!) with ease is ridiculous, and pretty much the only way it could be even vaguely balanced was if it was utterly incapable of fitting a useful tank. (Which is not true of the Garmur).

The lock range limitation on the Garmur is very intentional. It may actually not be enough to keep it from being too powerful but it was a tradeoff that helped justify how strong the ship is otherwise.

OP updated with details on how to get these things.

awesome.

hope they wont be mordu lp store, if so then its a isk-print gift for an unnamed big alliance who controls the 0.0 npc.

low sec/0.0 exploration drop please

People complaining about the tanking ability of these have to understand they're not designed around tanking


Mach base speed 161
Barghest base speed 148
Vindicator base speed 126
Bhaalgorn base speed 101
Nightmare base speed 94
Rattlesnake base speed 94
Nestor base speed 92

This thing will be fast as hell, coming in just barely behind a Mach (13 m/s slower)
Machs generally run a 2 slot tank with a DCU and end up near 100k hp with proper skills.


The Mordus BS will be just fine if you're not trying to go against its nature and brawl with it.

The lock range limitation on the Garmur is very intentional. It may actually not be enough to keep it from being too powerful but it was a tradeoff that helped justify how strong the ship is otherwise.

the mach seems too do fine with 5 mids..

except most people armor tank machs these days for brawling/sniping. literally every pirate bs, can be somewhat supertanked and keep some functionality. this is my concern,

10% bonus to stasis web, warp scrambler and warp disruptor range
50% bonus to missile velocity
50% bonus to reduce missile signature explosion

Adjusted OP to reflect that missile damage bonuses are all per level.

Fozzie putting together a blurb on where the BPCs will come from and I'll update OP with that soon. Short version is that they will be available for Mordu's Legion LP as well as off new NPCs in low sec.

The frigate and cruiser are perfect, but I'd reckon up the dmg bonus to 7.5 % or 10 % on the battleship.

I don't know what 'most people' you're talking about, I've seen and been in fleets of machs and generally speaking we simply make fun of people that armor tank their machs because it sucks so much of the awesome that is the Mach out of it.

This games risk averse population never ceases to amaze me though, so its possible that people are ruining a ship by tanking it the complete opposite of what its function dictates.

We initially wanted to fill the Caldari/Minmatar faction gap, but the existing factions didn't really support that and adding story and assets for an entirely new faction wasn't practical.

It has the slots to overcome that lock range limitation, and even yield a rig or midslot to boost lock range, it's still going to be even more powerful than the LML-bonused interceptors, which are already just about the strongest frigates in the game right now due to the combination of speed, point range, and weapon range.

Offtopic but;
While I do appreciate Mordu's Legion, what about the 6+ year old forum post about possibly having Equilibrium of Mankind as a faction? Their theme is Amarr ships with Shield and Hybrids, the same reasoning too was used that, it took too much time and work to get them into the game.

Offtopic but;
While I do appreciate Mordu's Legion, what about the 6+ year old forum post about possibly having Equilibrium of Mankind as a faction? Their theme is Amarr ships with Shield and Hybrids, the same reasoning too was used that, it took too much time and work to get them into the game.

Should still totally be Min/Cal, but I can deal with shoehorning this into Gal/Cal and giving it the point bonus to justify Gal.

You fly fleets of nano kiting SB machs, yeah right, good luck with that buddy.

People complaining about the tanking ability of these have to understand they're not designed around tanking


Mach base speed 161
Barghest base speed 148
Vindicator base speed 126
Bhaalgorn base speed 101
Nightmare base speed 94
Rattlesnake base speed 94
Nestor base speed 92

This thing will be fast as hell, coming in just barely behind a Mach (13 m/s slower)
Machs generally run a 2 slot tank with a DCU and end up near 100k hp with proper skills.


The Mordus BS will be just fine if you're not trying to go against its nature and brawl with it.

EDIT: Even still with a baseline t2 tank you're looking at around 120k hp overheated for about a minute, 100k idle hp just sitting still running its mods.

The lore is Caldari-Gallente, and this is now set... so just let it go.

The lore is Caldari-Gallente, and this is now set... so just let it go.

Resists are probably the standard 0-20-40-50 for shields and 50-45-25-10 for armour.
Calibration will be 350. No idea on cargo.

Role Bonus:
200% bonus to missile velocity
50% penalty to missile flight time

Yea, silly us...

http://i.imgur.com/Zy18eAE.png


To be clear you'll be able to get similar numbers on a Barghest, only with missiles that don't give a damn how fast you're going for damage application.

Why not just make it a 150% bonus to velocity and cut out the redundant penalty to flight time?

Why not just make it a 150% bonus to velocity and cut out the redundant penalty to flight time?

Why not just make it a 150% bonus to velocity and cut out the redundant penalty to flight time?

Why not just make it a 150% bonus to velocity and cut out the redundant penalty to flight time?

Yea, silly us...

http://i.imgur.com/Zy18eAE.png


To be clear you'll be able to get similar numbers on a Barghest, only with missiles that don't give a damn how fast you're going for damage application.

I see you've mastered the mysterious art of setting up the links applied in EFT. Damn thing doesn't work for me. Nice fit btw.

Why not just make it a 150% bonus to velocity and cut out the redundant penalty to flight time?

Yea, silly us...

http://i.imgur.com/Zy18eAE.png


To be clear you'll be able to get similar numbers on a Bharghest, only with missiles that don't give a damn how fast you're going for damage application.

EDIT: Unless im doing my math wrong the Bhargest will actually be faster than what I have linked for a Nano Mach, as it will be carrying an extra nano fiber (assuming lowslot layout of 3x BCU, 2x Nanofiber, 1x DCU) so you'll be looking at an overheated speed of around 3700ish with a LG snake clone, closer to or over 4k m/s with a HG snake clone

Those were originally planned as the Incursion faction but time constraints meant they couldn't produce the assets they needed so they went with Sansha because they already had assets for them available. Maybe Kuvakei gets taken over by EoM and we'll get the Incursions we all deserve.

For reference most subcaps can align and warp faster than a max-range Carberus can go from red box to damage dealt.

Because the worst part about missiles is the Delayed DPS. The faster it gets there, the better.

They look alright at first glance but nothing that impressive.

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Role Bonus:
200% bonus to missile velocity
50% penalty to missile flight time

I though we were done with this kind of confusing bonus? Why not give them less velocity bonus and do away with the flight penalty? It only matters for the first wave or missiles anyway.

rofl 2b shield mach with 150k ehp with full links and a dcu, collapses instantly if it's caught,

inbe4 1.1b armor mach with 300k ehp with HG slaves and links.

step 1) create a fit for your booster, and make sure it has a mindlink implant and the pilot is set to either your booster pilot imported via api, or the all V character.
step 2) minimise the fit, don't close it.
step 3) open the ship you want to apply the links to, right click the squad commander etc, then select your minimised ship fit from the drop down menu.

Why not just make it a 150% bonus to velocity and cut out the redundant penalty to flight time?

the damage application for these missiles is no different than any other

unless you mean time to target and the change in the range as the target moves

Because it'd only be a 50% bonus to velocity, without the penalty, for the same range.

Did we really need another Gallente/Caldari faction?
When are we going to get Minmatar/Caldari?

Tell me how a 150% bonus to velocity without any penalties is actually a 50% bonus to velocity.

Anyone else excited about a torpedo Barghest?!

I have some estamel torp launchers to sell you

Remedial third grade arithmetic? 150 = 1.5x or +50% velocity

Tell me how a 150% bonus to velocity without any penalties is actually a 50% bonus to velocity.

Tell me how a 150% bonus to velocity without any penalties is actually a 50% bonus to velocity.

X is Velocity
Y is flight time.
Flight time is X * Y

A 200% bonus is a multiplier of 3.
A 50% penalty is a multiplier of 0.5

So 3*X * 0.5* Y = 1.5 XY.

Which is a 50% bonus.

a 150% bonus, would be 2.5 XY.

The larger part of the supply will come from a set of new NPCs that will spawn in all lowsec asteroid belts. These will be uncommon npcs with a similar rarity to hauler spawns. Each NPC will appear by itself and will drop the blueprint for its associated ship 100% of the time. The chance of these MorduGÇÖs Legion NPCs spawning is equal in all areas of lowsec.

X is Velocity
Y is flight time.
Flight time is X * Y

With that in mind, can these new ML NPCs have a way of countering stealth bombers, such that farming them in stealth bombers is difficult if not impossible? E.g., maybe these ML NPCs can fire missiles which hit out to stealth bomber torp ranges (50-60km or more) and apply damage well even to small frigs with an afterburner?

If the sucbap is not tackled and is warping away then I submit that it doesn't matter how fast your missiles fly.



There's no such thing as "delayed DPT". There's a delayed ALPHA, but once alpha lands, damage per minute is damage per minute. You could argue that all guns have delayed damage, because every gun has cycle time. Think of missiles as just having a longer cycle time, but the with advantage of not suffering from tracking issues. Missiles also have better damage projection, doing their damage without optimal, falloff, or tracking.

Hi I'm in Goonswarm, something about PvPing without tackle.

Flight time is velocity multiplied by flight time. You sir a genius.

Remember, when you're adding a bonus of 150%, that's 250% of the original figure.

Really looking forward to flying these ships. The means of obtaining them is another nice buff to low sec, but I have one suggestion about these rats. Currently, people farm clone tags with stealth bombers--and if you farm them in any other ship you are honestly doing it wrong. This makes farming clone tags a fairly risk free activity, one that doesn't really benefit the low sec ecosystem of risk versus reward.
With that in mind, can these new ML NPCs have a way of countering stealth bombers, such that farming them in stealth bombers is difficult if not impossible? E.g., maybe these ML NPCs can fire missiles which hit out to stealth bomber torp ranges (50-60km or more) and apply damage well even to small frigs with an afterburner?

You still haven't told me how a BONUS of 150% is actually a BONUS of 50%.

Hi, I'm in Pandemic Legion, and I think it's dumb to judge people based on what alliance they're in.

You still haven't told me how a BONUS of 150% is actually a BONUS of 50%.

Surely I can't be the only one that was hoping for a rapid launcher reload bonus...?

That's funny. How much over $50-million/each do you want?

I'm saying that if you goal is the same range, your suggestion misses it by quite a long way.

It's not gona have the PG to fit torps

It's not gona have the PG to fit torps

So tell me again how 150% = 50%?

Why not just make it a 150% bonus to velocity and cut out the redundant penalty to flight time?

It's not gona have the PG to fit torps

So tell me again how 150% = 50%?

I can't, so I'm just gonna block you.

Torpedo Barghest: 1417.5 dps using T2 torpedo launchers, Rage ammunition, Faction BCUs and +5 implants.

150% bonus to velocity. So that's:
2.5 * velocity
Multiplied by the unmodified flight time.
Which leads to a range of 2.5 times the original range. or a 150% bonus to the original range.


As compared to:
200% bonus to velocity which is:
3 * velocity
multiplied by a reduced flight time of 0.5 * flight time.

Which leads to a range of 1.5 * the original range. Or a 50% bonus to the original range.

As I'm now repeating myself, that's the last time I explain it.

Very poor for pirate BS with no aplication bonus and no TP because of only 6 meds

Very poor for pirate BS with no aplication bonus and no TP because of only 6 meds

Having looked at the stats I have a suggestion...

Why not take the Guristas, replace their Shield Resist bonus with an ECM/Sensor Damp bonus and, having applied the Mordu's models, call them the Mordu's faction ships. Then take the current Mordu's stats and apply them to the Guristas.

The Guristas then become the missile kiting faction while the Mordu's Legion take a little more from their Intaki roots and take the droney, jammy route instead.

I'm still not seeing where 150% = 50%.

Are you trying to tell me you made a booboo?

I'm still not seeing where 150% = 50%.

Are you trying to tell me you made a booboo?

It's not gona have the PG to fit torps

BLOOD = AMARR + MINMATAR
SANSHA = AMARR + CALDARI
SOE = AMARR + GALLENTE
GURISTAS = CALDARI + GALLENTE
ANGELS = MINMATAR + GALLENTE
SERPENTIS = MINMATAR + GALLENTE
MORDUS = CALDARI+ GALLENTE

AMARR GÇô 3
CALDARI GÇô 3
MINMATAR - 3
GALLENTE GÇô 5

Does this not bother anyone else? Both from a backstory and a skill training perspective this seems a little unfair. Gallente Frigate/Cruiser/Battleship to 5 are more beneficial to more ships than any other faction.

BLOOD = AMARR + MINMATAR
SANSHA = AMARR + CALDARI
SOE = AMARR + GALLENTE
GURISTAS = CALDARI + GALLENTE
ANGELS = MINMATAR + GALLENTE
SERPENTIS = MINMATAR + GALLENTE
MORDUS = CALDARI+ GALLENTE

AMARR GÇô 3
CALDARI GÇô 3
MINMATAR - 3
GALLENTE GÇô 5

Does this not bother anyone else? Both from a backstory and a skill training perspective this seems a little unfair. Gallente Frigate/Cruiser/Battleship to 5 are more beneficial to more ships than any other faction.

BLOOD = AMARR + MINMATAR
SANSHA = AMARR + CALDARI
SOE = AMARR + GALLENTE
GURISTAS = CALDARI + GALLENTE
ANGELS = MINMATAR + GALLENTE
SERPENTIS = MINMATAR + GALLENTE
MORDUS = CALDARI+ GALLENTE

AMARR GÇô 3
CALDARI GÇô 3
MINMATAR - 3
GALLENTE GÇô 5

Does this not bother anyone else? Both from a backstory and a skill training perspective this seems a little unfair. Gallente Frigate/Cruiser/Battleship to 5 are more beneficial to more ships than any other faction.

Torps x7 heavy neut
MWD, medium injector, target painter, 2 x invulns, point.
3x BCU, RCU, Nano, DCU

Seems fairly straight forward to me.

BLOOD = AMARR + MINMATAR
SANSHA = AMARR + CALDARI
SOE = AMARR + GALLENTE
GURISTAS = CALDARI + GALLENTE
ANGELS = MINMATAR + GALLENTE
SERPENTIS = MINMATAR + GALLENTE
MORDUS = CALDARI+ GALLENTE

AMARR GÇô 3
CALDARI GÇô 3
MINMATAR - 3
GALLENTE GÇô 5

Does this not bother anyone else? Both from a backstory and a skill training perspective this seems a little unfair. Gallente Frigate/Cruiser/Battleship to 5 are more beneficial to more ships than any other faction.