You are still nerfing the hell out of JFs....

over 5 seconds gained in alignment for every JF type, over 6 for most. You know with all 3 low slots being cargo expanders and that giving only 1-2% increase in cargo, you are forcing JFs to fit cargo expanders. It's to expensive to fly them, not too. So exactly how are we going to make up for the loss alignment time?

I'm just curious to know why you care about align time at all? If you're jumping to low sec you should be immediately initiating warp to the gate and getting your cyno alt to triple web you so you insta-warp. You should then be docking at the first station you find in the next system and transferring your stuff into a regular freighter and then using that to haul with no more than around 2b worth of stuff in it each trip (gate-to-gate, not autopilot). I do that even if it's 20b, 10 trips. It takes so long to earn that much it's not problem to me if it takes days to move it.

The way to keep your JF safe is just to have it in space for the absolute minimum amount of time. There's really no other strategy if CCP aren't going to allow it to have a tank commensurate with its cost.

Is the cap ban before they changed the old aoe doommsdays? if so then i understand. Cant have titans doing supernovas' on the jita undock.

But now, doomsdays are "aimed" weapons.I dont see why not now.

Ofcourse If they did naturally, using doomsdays in hisec would be a criminal offence and youd get alpha'd by concord.

RE: using JFs in hisec. It seems dumb at first, but it allows you to travel with near-complete safety (assuming you aren't flying around with a wardecced, in which case you deserve what you get). Stay at your keyboard, have cynos up on lowsec stations in range, and if someone starts trying to bump you for a gank then you just jump to freedom since they can't actually tackle you.

I mean, it could theoretically be done, but it would be highly impractical since they can jump directly out of gatecloak if their in-gate looks fishy.

This. Max-Cargo JF and Max-Tank Freighter is the way to go. I never understood why tank on a JF should be important at all.
if you are bumped off station or your cyno is killed while in jump, you JF would most likely die even with 2mln EHP.

Hey everyone the Op has now been updated with a revised version of the design.

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Let us know what you think!

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Has been updated to replace rigs with cargo expander mods and the new base stats. Other mods to come "soon" as I get a chance to tinker.

I want to take this opportunity to remind people that pre-patch market speculation is never guaranteed and CCP takes no responsibility for any isk lost from speculation.

Indeed. I suppose it's time to speak up, then.

Taking a quick look at Tippia's tables (which I will confirm when my little trained minions get around to hacking up EFT or something similar to it with numbers), there are a few things that are pretty concerning for someone who built the last two years of his EVE career on freighter ganking, with all the commensurate laughs and guffaws. There are of course many less people doing what I do than say hauling goodies around; everyone hauls at some stage or has someone haul for them - the Ministry of Love is no exception, but when there's such a glaring numbers issue put in front of me it's hard not to speak up.

I see a major opportunity in customization (honestly, I'd love to see i-stabbed fenrirs zipping around more - insert some sort of fat-shaming joke here), but I also look at that scaling on the EHP side of the chart and notice something pretty woeful in terms of the new risk balance of the freighter proposition. In the very best case for freighter/JF EHP, that being three bulkheads, you gain in the vicinity of 75% of your EHP versus pre-Kronos - an Anshar in a 0.5 system fully bulkheaded now takes something like 15 Taloses to kill - something that really only one organization tends to be able to do at any regular interval, that being mine of course (although I do have my eyes on one very promising group who continues to dazzle me at every turn). Of course, as you climb the security status ladder, that number increases dramatically. However, look at the downside on the EHP chart. Even at the very worst-case scenario for a freighter or JF's EHP (three cargo expanders), you're losing somewhere between 10-20% of the pre-Kronos EHP...hell, the Fenrir loses only 2-3%.

So then, the question to CCP Fozzie is if this is meant to be a nearly straight EHP buff for freighters, offering 75% EHP bonus on the upside versus only a 3-20% EHP drop on the downside. I'm happy to accept the nerfbat, as the Ministry of Love and me in particular have benefited in laughs and dollars over the past two years pretty heavily (not to mention Burn Jita and etc, which of course will still continue regardless), but note that not many other organizations have been able to sustain that kind of activity, and this will only increase the barrier to entry for gankers (I suspect plenty of folks in this thread would love to see that, but if you're in that camp you might imagine I'm not talking to you). So then, is this meant to be a survivability buff? Fully bulkheaded jump freighters, sitting at between 500-675k EHP (versus current of 320-365), will be damned near unkillable outside of being caught on beacons and poorly-placed cynos in lowsec. Hell, that's a quarter of a trimark/DC'd dreadnought.

Something else to consider - Jump Freighters have long been nearly risk-less (I say nearly, Freight Club's been nice enough to prove me wrong) in their operation when travelling from highsec to low. Simply jump from your trade hub to a lowsec cyno near your operation and start your cynoing. If you're coming back empty, put in bulkheads and you are yet again unkillable!

Has anyone run the numbers on the total value a fully tanked a anshar can hold now?

Taking a quick look at Tippia's tables (which I will confirm when my little trained minions get around to hacking up EFT or something similar to it with numbers), there are a few things that are pretty concerning for someone who built the last two years of his EVE career on freighter ganking, with all the commensurate laughs and guffaws. There are of course many less people doing what I do than say hauling goodies around; everyone hauls at some stage or has someone haul for them - the Ministry of Love is no exception, but when there's such a glaring numbers issue put in front of me it's hard not to speak up.

121,167 m3 with Bulkhead IIs giving it 662,692 EHP

http://xyjax.com/optimizer_kronos/

I want to take this opportunity to remind people that pre-patch market speculation is never guaranteed and CCP takes no responsibility for any isk lost from speculation.

Anyone want to buy a Nomad?