and now none of them fit in an orca.

Good. That would have been a free 50k m3 unscannable cargo bay to the orca.

but that's fine in other ships?
the orca can already do the whole "unscannable cargo bay" thing anyway; you just use exploration frigates.

not to mention, one of the DST's few uses will be for mining as a way of not having to put your orca on grid while retaining the "mobile secure jetcan with tractor beams" thing. so it would be nice, that a ship used in a mining operation would fit in my industrial command ship.

As funny as it would be to walk heavy Dominixes into our next C1 POCO bash... are you nuts Fozzie?
You're willing to change:

• The entire meta of C1 space
• The ability of Orca's to carry DST's at all
• The ability of any other SMA to carry multiple of the same

In order to give the DST a 50K m3 fleet bay. Why not give it a 10-25K m3 fleet bay, up the size of the general bay to something useful, and NOT do the above things? You're not going to end up with BS's in C1's, and all your other ships can still carry multiple DSTs if they have the need.

At least it wouldn't 50.000 m3.
Regardless making them over 500.000 ensures you can't get more than 1 in a capital which is the keypoint. There are other ways to get hidden cargo, but that won't be fixed for ages to come. No reason to add more.

then reduce the capacity of capitals, rather than slapping orca pilots in the face.

As funny as it would be to walk heavy Dominixes into our next C1 POCO bash... are you nuts Fozzie?
You're willing to change:

• The entire meta of C1 space
• The ability of Orca's to carry DST's at all
• The ability of any other SMA to carry multiple of the same

In order to give the DST a 50K m3 fleet bay. Why not give it a 10-25K m3 fleet bay, up the size of the general bay to something useful, and NOT do the above things? You're not going to end up with BS's in C1's, and all your other ships can still carry multiple DSTs if they have the need.

Fozzie is right here in this thread. Go ahead and argue for your case.
Good luck, you'll need it.

i honestly don't care one way or another what happens. having DSTs being useful for mining [which is a waste of time as it is] doesn't really matter much, although it was about the only use i could come up with for these ships since there ships superior to the DST in every way already available.

Bustard:
Replace 5% velocity w/ 5% cargo per level. Follows *continues?) the theme set by the Charon, where Caldari bring extra cargo. It won't be a huge bonus as the cargo bay is already small(ish), but that could be reinforced in base stats by increasing the base cargo bay.

With the ability to put these in your carrier, DST will be the most used subcap hauler in the game. Period.
Blockade runners, t1 haulers and similar will not have remotely close to the same amount of usage if Kronos goes live with the ability to put DSTs in your carrier SMA. It will literally be every 0.0 carrier pilot's must-have.
So you don't have to wonder about their uses, it will be (ab)used. It's just a very bastarded way to use it, which is a shame.

But besides this, it will be a great substitution for rorquals and similar when putting up towers. You can carry fuel, stront, tower and some useful hangars all in one go.

so basically it's going to be a 140m container, rather than an actual ship.
does the fact that it's near only use is a giant shoe box mean it's a successful rebalance? or an unsuccessful one?

The DST will be more useful than a Miasmos for ore hauling since the Orca pilot can simply drag stuff from all three storage compartments into the DST's fleet hangar.

The DST will also serve nicely to replace a Kryos for mineral hauling and Hoarder for ammo hauling because of the built in stab, and the ability to fit an MWD without requiring rigs.

I'll focus on finding something to complain about tomorrow.

Oh hang on, I found a gripe! They're rather homogenous. I'd prefer clear roles: the Mastodon for "absolutely, positively overnight!" with the Bustard for Ghostbusters style hauling, the Impel for Dirty Harry style armour tank baiting, and the Occator for a combination of capacity & agility.

PS: a long time ago there was a courier company in Australia called "Comet". Their motto was "absolutely, positively overnight? Hello Comet!" (and being the '80s they had a cool jingle too). Folks in the USA will recognise the slogan from FedEx ads during the same period. Our advertising folks in the '80s thought they could pull the wool over our eyes and recycle US scripts. These days they just play the whole US ad, complete with corny accents and pronouncing "Z" as "zee".

PPS: Ghostbusters: no job too big, no fee too big!

Hey everyone. Allowing launching and scooping of structures from fleet hangars is something that needs more investigation, so we're increasing the standard cargo holds on all the DSTs so they can easily deploy and scoop structures.

We are also increasing the assembled volumes of the DSTs a bit, to keep the balance surrounding DSTs hauling cargo in ship maintenance bays.

We have discussed the questions surrounding hauling of battleships into C1 wormholes with the CSM and internally, and decided that we are ok with this function at this time. Using a DST to get a battleship into a C1 siege still requires the attackers to have their own starbase set up in the system for disassembly.

so basically it's going to be a 140m container, rather than an actual ship.
does the fact that it's near only use is a giant shoe box mean it's a successful rebalance? or an unsuccessful one?

The idea was considered and rejected as it would make DSTs too difficult to catch in nullsec and (especially) wormhole space and wouldn't provide much interesting gameplay.

if i have a DST in my super SMA can i drag/drop mods from the DST fleet hangar to my super fleet hangar?

Leave the ships as you've done, they are good changes, just get rid of the fleet hangar, and add bubble immunity, and they will be flown, an they will have great roles.

if i have a DST in my super SMA can i drag/drop mods from the DST fleet hangar to my super fleet hangar?

if i have a DST in my super SMA can i drag/drop mods from the DST fleet hangar to my super fleet hangar?

It is also going to be great hot drop bait and a very good highsec armored car hauler. I think it will also be handy for some 0.0 uses. I am certainly glad I have Transport Ships IV on several characters.

My next issue is figuring out which racial Industrial V I want as my standard across my accounts, since I currently have that split (e.g. One has Gallente Industrial V, another Caldari, another Minmatar, etc.).

The ammo only rule does not apply to fleet hangars.

You cannot store a ship that contains cargo other than charges inside a Ship Maintenance Bay.

Please remove cargo from the ship and try again.