I think you mean the other way around, but yes, that would make these ships perfect. But perhaps it would be too powerful.

No, I just worded it awkwardly.
It's not too powerful because it's a double-edged sword.

After reading the thread, I'm 100% certain that this is EVERYONE's favorite scenario. Much like a procurer in lowsec, or a drake slowboating to a gate from 15km, or a Prophecy killing rats on a gate. In other words, it's obviously the best use of the ship and nobody (who knows what they are doing) is going to fall for it.

Bottom line, these changes don't help the ship class actually HAUL things.

There are people that can resist tackling a drake even if it looks like bait?
What arcane art allows such self control?

Make them ewar immune like supers & increase hangar bay by to 75k.

why dotn you ask them to be able to cyno jump with a range of 100 ly and warp at 500 au/s while you are at the dreamland of absurdities?

While the hangar increase is OTT, I actually think a supercap-style ewar immunity (instead of bubble immunity) is another nice angle for DSTs. It balances nicely with their high tank and poor speed/agility. It makes them a strong option for low-sec space, and makes focused HICs more relevant to catch them. Obviously the MJD would need to be taken away so that DSTs are still vulnerable to bubbles.
The best way to encourage use of the improved overheating and defensive abilities is to make them immune to webs and scrams. You'd then end up with a race to kill the ship before it burned back to the gate or out of bubbles.

I think you mean the other way around, but yes, that would make these ships perfect. But perhaps it would be too powerful.

Why do people think cargo scan immunity is remotely a good thing. You will just get ganked more.

You need bubble+scram+web AND to finish the overheated tank before their overheated AB gets them back to the gate. Survivability will be pretty good.

By that logic, no one uses cargo scanners anyway.

I'd love to hear from Fozzie why the bubble immunity idea wasn't picked. It's something that's floated around for a while as a way to help fix DSTs, and really this is the best balanced ship to get it. It doesn't align quickly like an interceptor, and can't cloak and warp like a T3 cruiser. Being able to warp through bubble camps makes so much sense for the DST.

Between that and some functionality to launch / scoop structures using the Fleet Hangar, I think it would see some use for once.

I'm sorry but what? I count on them using a cargo scanner. I want them to see I'm empty when I am actually empty.

An unscannable anything becomes a loot pinata gamble. And there are plenty of people willing to take that gamble.

People already pop double wrapped freighters on that gamble. The number of Blockade runners popped in HS has gone up since they became unscannable. The only reason more empty ones don't get popped for the loot gamble is they are cloaked 95% of the time.

So unless we can get freighter+ tanks out of the new DSTs (who knows maybe we can) I guarantee there will be plenty of people willing to pop them on the gamble if they were unscannable.

Making them unscannable makes the event random as well. I'd prefer the cargo scanner be able to see clearly that I am empty. Or see clearly I'm not carrying enough to make it worth poppping outside of the LOL's. Being unscannable I'm more likely to be randomly popped just because I 'Might" be carrying something good.

No thanks.

Mediocre changes at best. Increased survivability so you can burn back to the gate you just entered from, so that you can get pointed on the other side by the same gate camp you "escaped" when they follow you through (the nonaggressed ones anyway). This is also considering that you are not webbed and pointed on your way back to the gate, which you most likely will be. Additionally, the +5% velocity to DST is useless, +5% agility per skill level (considering DST's have a worse align time then battleships), or the suggested -5% to MMJD spool time per skill level would be much better.

You are woefully wrong. There is a big difference between taking a gamble on a BR and losing a couple of tornados or talos's in an attempt to take down one of these new DST's. DST's already had good tanks, now they will be able to fit BS levels of tank. BR's should not be autopiloted anyway, not sure why you are using the ship for that purpose.

"+2 Warp Core Strength"

The only way this ship would be viable for me going through low sec would be to add a 3rd warp core strength

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

I have a question for the general public here.

Right now I use cloak+MWD on my DST. I can't fit cloak+MWD+MJD without major sacrifices to my fit. Is it possible to activate MJD+cloak and move 100+ km from the gate whenever the gate is camped before anyone can lock me? MJD on it's own will get scrammed, but maybe it'll work when combined with a cloak.

Now activating MJD "disables" cloak.

Could you pls. elaborate?
Starting the spool-up disables cloak or when you are cloaked with MJD spooling up, the cloak automatically deactivates the moment you microjump away?

Activating MJD deactivates cloak and you can't activate/ reactivate cloak while MJD spools up.

Ok, thnx. Then fitting MMJD is useless.

Activating MJD deactivates cloak and you can't activate/ reactivate cloak while MJD spools up.