Are you sure, you understand what I'm talking about? Currently it works like this:

An alt in a shuttle takes stuff out of a wreck of a ganked freighter and puts it in the fleet hangar of an Orca (40k max size per item due to fleet hangar size). Shuttle alt goes suspect, Orca does *not*. With a fully loaded freighter wreck, you can just get another freighter which takes the loot out of the fleet hangar of the Orca and which also does *not* go suspect. Everything completely without risks, because "nobody's going to set up a counter-gank in the time", just as you said and just like gankers like it.

The problem with this is, that you can't risklessly take out anything that's bigger than 40k size a piece. "Unfortunately" that also includes battleship sized ships like Marauders or Black Ops which have 50k packaged size. Currently you have to put a freighter or Orca at risk in order to loot them because they will have to go suspect. With the new 50k fleet hangar of the DST you suddenly can also launder them without any risk using the above technique because it has exactly the right size.

My proposal would be: make the fleet hangar slightly smaller and increase the size of the regular hangar in return. This would also solve the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures.

Is the MJD affected byt he +2 warp?

Meaning, if someone scrams you, but you can warp away due to the point, will that still shut down the MJD because the ship overcomes the scram?

Basically does the MJD benefit from the +2 Warp Core Strength or not. IMO it should as the same thing prevents warp, MWD and MJD. Where using a long point only disables the warp core, not the modules anyway?

I have honestly never flown a DST so not sure if a scram shuts down the MWD either, but should the +2 warp core strength apply to it as well??

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

Activating MJD deactivates cloak and you can't activate/ reactivate cloak while MJD spools up.

Actually, you can.

By activating both the MJD and Cloak on the same server tick they will still both go through. Keypress order matters though so you need to hit cloak first or else the process fails.

So yes, you can spool up while cloaked with an MJD. Once you jump the 100km however you will decloak.

I think the fix should be orca/DST goes flashy if recieving stolen goods as this sounds like an exploit to get around loot flagging,
with green safeties prevent people from putting stuff in there.

Any one taking form a flashies hangar should also go flashy.

Has this been confirmed from a third person view? Your client may tell you you did cloak up but server may say otherwise. A third person on grid would then see you as server says.

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I really don't see that, could be my play style.

In my eyes, transport is about cargo capacity, speed, survivability. once a transport is tackled it has only one option get the hell out of there (aside the bait/battle fit).
so the first step would be avoiding being tackled ( stabs (low slot), nano's (low slot) keep signature low (keep low on the shields))

I understand where you're coming from. ............................That's how I see it. And frankly, I like how there appears to be a valid alternative to speed and maneuverability when it comes to secure transport.

Point is, that with these specialized ships the trade offs that you have with the combat ships for instance, are not the same.
On a combat ship a midslot can be used for e-war for instance, there isn't any need for e-war on these ships. so 5 or 6 midslots isn't a real thing. that extra low slot can be used to cancel out that mid slot. it can hold a DCU, or an extra cargo extender and fill it with cap boosters, to name 2 or it can be used to be faster, more agile, have a larger cargo hold, or be more warp stable.

These look like a wonderful starting point for me, but here's my thoughts:

There are only two DST's, not 4. There is exactly 0 racial flavor, and no particular reason to fly one over the other besides the fact that 'I have caldari industrial 5'. Why can't we mix things up a little bit more?

Perhaps Amarr and Caldari DST's get defensive bonuses, and Gallente and Minmatar get offensive ones? Basically Gallente would now focus partially on being able to escape, but also on say the ability to blow up tackle ships. Give them really great drone bonuses or something. Let the minmatar one pack a full set of 4 or 5 autocannons or something to pick off interceptors, and small web range bonuses or something (20 km webs?).

Do cargo extenders affect Fleet Hangars?

Medium MJD?

CCP pls no.

Currently the DSTs see next to no use. They don't hold more than their T1 counterparts, often holding much less. The only thing they have going for them is a bit more tank and +2 WCS but most people are rightfully cautious about not moving T1 industrials or DSTs in dangerous areas.

The job of a deep space transport is to operate in areas which may not be completely safe. Their role is not to be able to run gatecamps or dodge fleets, that is what blockade runners are for. A deep space transport is about being able to operate with things like lone interceptors or stealth bombers around that would easily kill a T1 industrial. If you jump it into a well set up gatecamp, it should still die.

The fact that the warp scramblers are unaffected by warp core strength renders the mwd/mjd virtually pointless on these things. If they can warp out, they don't need the mwd/mjd, and when they can't warp out the mwd/mjd option is gone already anyways. Being able to mjd out of a bubble isn't much good when it only takes a single warp scram to kill it. This is a minor point but it's annoying given that the the mjd was given specifically to these hulls.

The fleet hangar is a problem. It's great in theory, big cargo that doesn't depend on fitting is wonderful. To not be able to do POS work from it utterly removes the ships best potential role.

Do cargo extenders affect Fleet Hangars? Honestly don't know as I've never flown a ship with them. If not, as it stands now, extra cargo space isn't really a thing for these ships. (Which I like: flying an Impel, I don't need to choose between tank and cargo, which has been an annoyance as base cargo always got nerfed to counter all the lows.)

Keep in mind the midslots can also be used for propulsion mods, especially useful with MMJDs, as well as supporting extra cap.

AAAHAHAHA!

These things are going to be great pvp haulers

Marlona Sky needs to see this.

The Fleet Hanger should not be confused with the Ship Maintenance Bay.

OMG, I've never seen this man had an evil laugh like this

I've a noob question tough: I used this to transport stuff around but I saw its cargo hold is being reduced. Will that "fleet hangar" work for me without actually being in fleet?
More appropriate question would be, how can fleet hangars be used? Can someone direct me to a good thread/site?

Thx.

To be honest I considered them the same, would that mean that the fleet hangar allows to put extra cargo in the cargo bays?

In that case I stand corrected on a lot of my points.

The fleet hangar is like a regular cargobay, only that fleet members can access it as well and that it is not expandable/reducable by rigs or mods.

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Fleet Hangar is a cargobay for modules and charges, which is accessible by fleet members. Iirc you cannot store assembled ships in there. In contrast, the Ship Maintenance Bay is only for assembled ships and can only store assembled ships with only items listed in the market under Ammunition & Charges in the cargohold, nothing else.

Hey everyone.