Does MJD work if you get scrambled but have warp core stabilizers?

Are you going to fix their awful align

The weedy cargo means DSTs can no longer handle starbase mods - you can't scoop / launch them from a fleet hangar. What about a slightly bigger base cargo, around 3-4k?

If the additional WCS role bonus doesn't protect the MJD, these things aren't going to live long. The spool time is more than long enough to be webbed + scrambled, and no amount of overheating will help then. What about instead of 5% velocity per level, they get -5% to MJD spool time bonus per level?

They can tank 2-3k dps

I don't suppose i could have my otherwise good investment in T2 expander rigs for my Mastodon returned when you ruin that role for it?

Can they tank like that until the next downtime? Because with a scram+web they ain't going anywhere but a killboard.

If that 1k cargo remains as-is, cargo rigs for DSTs should really be unplugged by this patch... or at least upgraded to affect fleet hangars too.

This ship is now my medium volume hauler of choice. It only needs to survive some 10 seconds in a gank instead of having to wait for CONCORD.

good point. how many ehp will these things have?


also i wish the min/gal ones instead of having resist bonus had a armor/shield amount per level.

Allowing POS modules to be launched from Fleet Hangars would be nice, I agree. I don't think it should hold up the release of these changes, but I definitely think that it is a consideration worth investigating.

A bonus to either MJD spoolup or agility makes much more sense on DSTs than a velocity bonus does, just sayin'

+1:ing this suggestion. If they are supposed to operate in GÇ£deep spaceGÇ¥, letting them do a very common deep-space task seems entirely reasonable (and it's a pretty silly restriction anyway that's probably just a code hold-over than an actual design choice).

Mediocre changes at best. Increased survivability to burn back to the gate you just entered from so you can get pointed on the other side by the same gate camp you "escaped" from, when they follow you through (the nonaggressed ones anyway).

for a moment i thought you could transport fitted frigs with it but someone told me you would need a different bay for it. So its still not the non-capaital transport ship i was looking for :(

Can they tank like that until the next downtime? Because with a scram+web they ain't going anywhere but a killboard.

Mediocre changes at best. Increased survivability so you can burn back to the gate you just entered from, so that you can get pointed on the other side by the same gate camp you "escaped" when they follow you through (the nonaggressed ones anyway). This is also considering that you are not webbed and pointed on your way back to the gate, which you most likely will be. Additionally, the +5% velocity to DST is useless, +5% agility per skill level (considering DST's have a worse align time then battle ships), or the suggested -5% to MMJD spool time per skill level would be much better.

Scram/web might disable MJDs and MWDs, but they can still just warp away :P

mm scram DO prevent warp.. what are you smoking?

the +2 warp strength role bonus.

at a guess.

That is some sexy changes. I can't wait to fit 7 warp core stabilizers and a medium micro jump drive on my Impel :D

Does MJD work if you get scrambled but have warp core stabilizers?
This will be awesome.

heck why not give them a clone vat bay too?

Because there's no need to and because it doesn't seem like a simple design oversight that they can't use one?

Yes, these things are going to be tough to catch - going to require team work. At a glanceGǪ it will take 10 points to catch an Impel on a low sec gate, or a Heavy Interdictor with a scram. Then the tank kicks inGǪ but functionally, once you catch these things, they are dead.

Dual prop transport for lols. Mjd + ab. Slowboating out of bubbles and tackle hehe

Hook it up to a turret and we can have our much wanted corpse launcher.

Can't you make them immune to bubbles and scram have them take a long time to warp with best skills? Because in that case tank would make sense and it would be a fun thing to chase that transport from gate to gate, beating him down every time.

Because there's no need to and because it doesn't seem like a simple design oversight that they can't use one?

Can they tank like that until the next downtime? Because with a scram+web they ain't going anywhere but a killboard.

So why are we going through the gimmick of a fleet hanger instead of just giving them a 'general goods' bay ala the rebalanced t1's?

Um if any part of your hauling plan involves tanking then your plan is pretty ****

The weedy cargo means DSTs can no longer handle starbase mods - you can't scoop / launch them from a fleet hangar. What about a slightly bigger base cargo, around 3-4k?

If the additional WCS role bonus doesn't protect the MJD, these things aren't going to live long. The spool time is more than long enough to be webbed + scrambled, and no amount of overheating will help then. What about instead of 5% velocity per level, they get -5% to MJD spool time bonus per level?

The DST have a +2 warp core strenght does it means the MJD will still be active if you put only one or 2 points on the ship or Only need to scramble It ( like usual) to cut off the MJD?

It doesn't look like a good change for high sec haulers/industrialist

Rite now, before the change, only T2 deep space transports can haul valuable goods above 20.000 m-¦ .....and ii f you know how to fit them (hint: cloaky warp trick) you can even fly them through the (gank/) gates of niarja and uedama.

in high sec, PI/module/loot /ammo haulers have this kind of problem because the tech 1 industrials are gank targets as soon as they transport goods above 40.000.000 ISK. The only option for valauable stuff beyond the freighter will now be the blockade runner. ..which means 50% less cargo capacity. ( unless you wanna call a 400m-¦ courrier tengu an industrial ship)

I don't understand your post. After the change, DST will be able to haul 50.000m3 (+5% per skill) while having a ~80k EHP tank with a ~12 second align time. Seems like a buff to me.

I don't understand your post. After the change, DST will be able to haul 50.000m3 (+5% per skill) while having a ~80k EHP tank with a ~12 second align time. Seems like a buff to me.

*snip*
The MMJD addition is an interesting middle ground to solving the problem of bubbles in nullsec, but it falls flat as a solution to get away from most gate camps. A single Light Interdictor will be able to bubble, decloak the DST, and warp scramble to disable the MMJD. Since you can't Cloak/MMJD (that was disabled a long time ago) it's an interesting curiosity, but not very effective.

*snip*

I don't understand your post. After the change, DST will be able to haul 50.000m3 (+5% per skill) while having a ~80k EHP tank with a ~12 second align time. Seems like a buff to me.

I've been trying to figure out how these are supposed to work. Let's assume a hostile is trying to run through my space. I have an informal gate camp up - a bored Interdictor pilot and a bored Interceptor pilot.

Scenario 1: An interceptor comes through and types "LOL, you noobs suck!" in local as he zips through.

Scenario 2: A T3 comes through and doesn't say anything, because he is too much of a bitter vet to notice us.

Scenario 3: A Blockade Runner comes through. I drop my bubble. He waits for a few seconds, picks his align point, hits align, MWD, cloak. The Interceptor and I burn towards him. If he has expanded cargo holds, we catch him and kill him some of the time (100% of the Blockade Runners my alts and I have killed had expanded cargo holds fitted). Otherwise, we miss, he coasts out of the bubble, and continues on with his merry way. We try to repeat the same thing on the next gate and the one after that, and the one after that, until he either goes AFK or evades us or we finally catch him.

Scenario 4: One of these new DST's comes through. It's a Bustard. It jumps in. I drop my bubble. He waits for a few seconds, picks his align point, hits align, cloak, MJD. The Interceptor and I burn towards him. We decloak him and I put my scram on him. His MJD shuts off. He doesn't have an MWD, since that would be equally useless. He turns on his afterburner, overheats ALL THE THINGS and continues on towards his align point. He burns out of my first bubble (he was right on the edge of it when this encounter started). I drop my next bubble. He continues to burn through that. If he can live long enough to get through the third bubble, or I drop one too late or too soon, he warps off, unless we have 6 points on him. Or unless we web him, in which case he dies horribly once some bored ratter warps in to add some DPS so we can break his tank.

In any case, Scenario 4 ends in fiery death for the DST often enough that I am not likely to see one fly through solo any time soon. Ergo, these ships are still mostly useless for Deep Space Transportation.

Now let's add to that the fact that the ship cannot deploy a POSGǪ and it's totally useless outside of carrying a certain value through High Sec that is less than 1b (max value for a freighter) and more than 40m (max value for T1 hauler).

You forgot scenario 5. The bustard scrams your sabre and kills you.

You forgot scenario 5. The bustard scrams your sabre and kills you.

That would make my day, but it will never happen. Even if he scrams me, good luck killing the Sabre before backup arrives to make him explode.

however have you considered the fact that since these have a FLEET hangar, and can fit tractor beams, there's now even less reason to bring an orca and/or a rorqual on grid? if you want those two ships on grid, these changes are like a nail in the coffin to achieving that end. especially in the more dangerous areas of space.

That would make my day, but it will never happen. Even if he scrams me, good luck killing the Sabre before backup arrives to make him explode.

I've been trying to figure out how these are supposed to work. Let's assume a hostile is trying to run through my space. I have an informal gate camp up - a bored Interdictor pilot and a bored Interceptor pilot.

Scenario 1: An interceptor comes through and types "LOL, you noobs suck!" in local as he zips through.

Scenario 2: A T3 comes through and doesn't say anything, because he is too much of a bitter vet to notice us.

Scenario 3: A Blockade Runner comes through. I drop my bubble. He waits for a few seconds, picks his align point, hits align, MWD, cloak. The Interceptor and I burn towards him. If he has expanded cargo holds, we catch him and kill him some of the time (100% of the Blockade Runners my alts and I have killed had expanded cargo holds fitted). Otherwise, we miss, he coasts out of the bubble, and continues on with his merry way. We try to repeat the same thing on the next gate and the one after that, and the one after that, until he either goes AFK or evades us or we finally catch him.

Scenario 4: One of these new DST's comes through. It's a Bustard. It jumps in. I drop my bubble. He waits for a few seconds, picks his align point, hits align, cloak, MJD. The Interceptor and I burn towards him. We decloak him and I put my scram on him. His MJD shuts off. He doesn't have an MWD, since that would be equally useless. He turns on his afterburner, overheats ALL THE THINGS and continues on towards his align point. He burns out of my first bubble (he was right on the edge of it when this encounter started). I drop my next bubble. He continues to burn through that. If he can live long enough to get through the third bubble, or I drop one too late or too soon, he warps off, unless we have 6 points on him. Or unless we web him, in which case he dies horribly once some bored ratter warps in to add some DPS so we can break his tank.

In any case, Scenario 4 ends in fiery death for the DST often enough that I am not likely to see one fly through solo any time soon. Ergo, these ships are still mostly useless for Deep Space Transportation.

Now let's add to that the fact that the ship cannot deploy a POSGǪ and it's totally useless outside of carrying a certain value through High Sec that is less than 1b (max value for a freighter) and more than 40m (max value for T1 hauler).

Scenarios 6: overheats MWD, cloaks, burns toward gate. If he gets decloaked, hes already close to gate so just burns rest of distance while you try to kill him, and then jumps through gate while your gang waits out aggro timers and then GTFOs in whatever manner he sees fit.

Scenario 8 and my favorite: jumps into gate, decloaks and burns toward exit gate. Gets tackled by frigate and sabre. Scrams and webs sabre, buddies jump in and collect on kill. Moves on to next bait system.

This may actually become EVE's most loved hot drop boat. I mean 1km-¦ for cyno fuel, you could basically run down a pipe and hot drop every jump without restocking. And enough Fleet Hangar to refuel all the caps. Perfect, no?

This is pretty much the best use for these ships, because it has no use as an actual hauler.

well that's sure a thing, i have absolutely no idea what role that thing will play

will be interesting to see how it shakes out

Was the DST really used that much to online/offline POS's?

slower than a jump freighter
more risky than a jump freighter
less cargo than a jump freighter

Transport Ships Bonus per level:
+5% Warp Speed (was the useless tanking bonus)
-20% CPU requirements for Cloaking Devices

Amarr Industrial Bonus per level:
+7.5% Armor Repairer Effectiveness
+5% Velocity

Currently the DSTs see next to no use. They don't hold more than their T1 counterparts, often holding much less. The only thing they have going for them is a bit more tank and +2 WCS but most people are rightfully cautious about not moving T1 industrials or DSTs in dangerous areas. When you need to move stuff through hostile space, you use a blockade runner. When you need to move high volume cargo you use a T1 industrial which max out at 35-40k m3 and use caution.

POS work is one of the few areas where an updated DST would be of use for any reason other than simply having more capacity than their t1 counterparts.



1/50th the cost of a jump freighter. Has warp core stabilizers, tank, etc.

cost is irrelevant because there is no risk attached

POS work is one of the few areas where an updated DST would be of use for any reason other than simply having more capacity than their t1 counterparts.

Really like the 1000m3 base and Fleet hangar combo together with proposed changes but think that one detail could make it perfect niche ship. It doesn't make it good enough to replace Orca and it doesn't steal jobs from other industrials in deploying POS mods. It purpose is transport in hostile space and lets focus on that.

Deep space transport should have few tools to avoid light gate camps but should still be kill able with proper camp. That will make it real niche transport.

I define light camp as:
Small gang with only drag/stop bubble.
HIC with sebo/remote sebo as tackle (bubble and infinite point).
Any ship with long point(s) and no web/scram.

And proper camp as:
One that uses web and scram on range bonused ships (loki, proteus, recons) or with skirmish link booster in system.

So what it should be best is keep everything like you proposed on first page BUT replace +2 Warp Core Strength with bubble immunity and +1 Warp Core Strength or just Bubble immunity.

So he gets away from solo HIC using MJD or bubble immunity, gets away from drag bubble solo frig/cruiser as he is immune, gets away from small camp with only one long point applied as he has higher warp core strength (if he has +1 bonus). But 2 or more long points will force him to try and spool MJD and now for <10 sec. campers must get in range and scram. But if he tries to run through proper camp or war blockade with longer scrams/webs as initial tackle (ether from ship bonuses or local skirmish links) he won't be able to warp away but could still be able to slowboat back to the gate with overloaded tank. So still quite killable, makes flying it very interesting in creating choices on multiple scenarios for pilot but can still refuel fleet without need to get stuck in all the bubbles along the way and deal with solo campers.


A7

P.S. I fly transports and blockade runners and also have killed/hunted quite a few.

This will be a tool for low-sec. Corporations and alliances in the area often do not have anywhere near the logistical organization that a nullsec group can offer. In my alliance there's one person that runs jita runs every blue moon. My main has -10.0 sec status; hence I have a hauler alt.

My logistics runs kind of like this. I need ships. My Occator (38km^3) or my Iteron V (45km^3) runs to a trade hub. It moves bought goods/ships to a high sec system next to my low sec staging area. My Viator Blockade Runner then makes 4-5 runs into low carrying the ships. None of these ships can carry a packaged Battleship. The Viator can't carry a BC - my main has to scurry out to high sec to pick it up and pray there's not any opportunists in the area - or I have to risk the Occator or Iteron traveling into low sec asking friends to scout.

The future Occator will be able to carry larger ships with a cargo hold just big enough for the modules to fit in. I have to go one or two jumps max. The tank is sufficient enough where if a decent sized fleet actually gets a hold of me I can last long enough for my friends in the area to come rescue me. If the fleet isn't decent sized - I can probably get away on my own. The fact that I have a subcapital ship that can move BS is really cool imho.

I was ready to dismiss what you wrote out of hand because bubble immunity but after reading I find myself somewhat swayed by your reasoning

Cargo scan immunity should be moved to DSTs from BRs.

zarnak you're bad, flying them in 1j from highsec on your main is fine if you actually have control of the system you're going to

I think you mean the other way around, but yes, that would make these ships perfect. But perhaps it would be too powerful.

No, I just worded it awkwardly.
It's not too powerful because it's a double-edged sword.

After reading the thread, I'm 100% certain that this is EVERYONE's favorite scenario. Much like a procurer in lowsec, or a drake slowboating to a gate from 15km, or a Prophecy killing rats on a gate. In other words, it's obviously the best use of the ship and nobody (who knows what they are doing) is going to fall for it.

Bottom line, these changes don't help the ship class actually HAUL things.

There are people that can resist tackling a drake even if it looks like bait?
What arcane art allows such self control?

Make them ewar immune like supers & increase hangar bay by to 75k.

why dotn you ask them to be able to cyno jump with a range of 100 ly and warp at 500 au/s while you are at the dreamland of absurdities?

While the hangar increase is OTT, I actually think a supercap-style ewar immunity (instead of bubble immunity) is another nice angle for DSTs. It balances nicely with their high tank and poor speed/agility. It makes them a strong option for low-sec space, and makes focused HICs more relevant to catch them. Obviously the MJD would need to be taken away so that DSTs are still vulnerable to bubbles.
The best way to encourage use of the improved overheating and defensive abilities is to make them immune to webs and scrams. You'd then end up with a race to kill the ship before it burned back to the gate or out of bubbles.

I think you mean the other way around, but yes, that would make these ships perfect. But perhaps it would be too powerful.

Why do people think cargo scan immunity is remotely a good thing. You will just get ganked more.

You need bubble+scram+web AND to finish the overheated tank before their overheated AB gets them back to the gate. Survivability will be pretty good.

By that logic, no one uses cargo scanners anyway.

I'd love to hear from Fozzie why the bubble immunity idea wasn't picked. It's something that's floated around for a while as a way to help fix DSTs, and really this is the best balanced ship to get it. It doesn't align quickly like an interceptor, and can't cloak and warp like a T3 cruiser. Being able to warp through bubble camps makes so much sense for the DST.

Between that and some functionality to launch / scoop structures using the Fleet Hangar, I think it would see some use for once.

I'm sorry but what? I count on them using a cargo scanner. I want them to see I'm empty when I am actually empty.

An unscannable anything becomes a loot pinata gamble. And there are plenty of people willing to take that gamble.

People already pop double wrapped freighters on that gamble. The number of Blockade runners popped in HS has gone up since they became unscannable. The only reason more empty ones don't get popped for the loot gamble is they are cloaked 95% of the time.

So unless we can get freighter+ tanks out of the new DSTs (who knows maybe we can) I guarantee there will be plenty of people willing to pop them on the gamble if they were unscannable.

Making them unscannable makes the event random as well. I'd prefer the cargo scanner be able to see clearly that I am empty. Or see clearly I'm not carrying enough to make it worth poppping outside of the LOL's. Being unscannable I'm more likely to be randomly popped just because I 'Might" be carrying something good.

No thanks.

Mediocre changes at best. Increased survivability so you can burn back to the gate you just entered from, so that you can get pointed on the other side by the same gate camp you "escaped" when they follow you through (the nonaggressed ones anyway). This is also considering that you are not webbed and pointed on your way back to the gate, which you most likely will be. Additionally, the +5% velocity to DST is useless, +5% agility per skill level (considering DST's have a worse align time then battleships), or the suggested -5% to MMJD spool time per skill level would be much better.

You are woefully wrong. There is a big difference between taking a gamble on a BR and losing a couple of tornados or talos's in an attempt to take down one of these new DST's. DST's already had good tanks, now they will be able to fit BS levels of tank. BR's should not be autopiloted anyway, not sure why you are using the ship for that purpose.

"+2 Warp Core Strength"

The only way this ship would be viable for me going through low sec would be to add a 3rd warp core strength

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

I have a question for the general public here.

Right now I use cloak+MWD on my DST. I can't fit cloak+MWD+MJD without major sacrifices to my fit. Is it possible to activate MJD+cloak and move 100+ km from the gate whenever the gate is camped before anyone can lock me? MJD on it's own will get scrammed, but maybe it'll work when combined with a cloak.

Now activating MJD "disables" cloak.

Could you pls. elaborate?
Starting the spool-up disables cloak or when you are cloaked with MJD spooling up, the cloak automatically deactivates the moment you microjump away?

Activating MJD deactivates cloak and you can't activate/ reactivate cloak while MJD spools up.

Ok, thnx. Then fitting MMJD is useless.

Activating MJD deactivates cloak and you can't activate/ reactivate cloak while MJD spools up.

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

Note: The increased powergrid on some of these can be used to fit an oversized AB. Might be interesting to see how fast that goes OH on the mastodon...

New question (I feel like I'm a noob again):
if I press align, activate MJD and then get scrammed during spool-up, will it still spool up and MJD me away or does the scram prevent the MJD from working?

Edit: found my answer on Eve Uni wiki: If the MJD is charging and you are warp scrammed during the spool up, your jump will fail.

It does not. The basic rule of thumb is that MJDs work just like MWDs in this regard.

Any thoughts on bubble immunity? It would be a nice complement to BR's ability to warp cloaked. You could increase their mass to compensate.

Increasing mass screws over WH's. And bubble immunity is a terrible mechanic.

This shipclass makes it now possible to launder even battleship sized ships (50k packaged size) from ganked freighters without taking any risks (only the laundering alt in a shuttle goes suspect) and with a far lower investment than an Orca (40k fleet hangar).

Is this intended?

If there's no risk to the DST because of the shuttle alt then there's not really any risk to another freighter doing so.
Nobody's going to set up a counter-gank in the time you have your freighter looting the wreck.

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

Currently you have to put a freighter or Orca at risk in order to loot them because they will have to go suspect.

Or you align with a freighter, open the ganked wreck, select the station, click loot all, click warp within the same second and warp off within the same tick. Even if someone had you targeted, they wouldn't be able to scram you because the server already has you in warp when the other gets the suspect flag on his client. That's the way I used when I fliped my ore back into my hauler with can flippers on me to pop my ship. Works flawlessly. Your risk argument is already voided by current mechanics.

While this looks interesting for getting in and out of trouble, the Fleet Hangar change really limits the DST in useful things like POS work. With a cargo hold of 1000 - 3000, you cant even scoop or launch a large tower, or most pos mods. To make it work, you would need to make it capable of launching items from the fleet hangar as well as scoop to the fleet hangar.

For POS work in null sec, orcas arent an option for getting around, and BRs are just too small even after your proposed buff. Now the only real option is a rorqual or JF which takes setting up a POS out of the picture for the average player.

an extra low slot against a mid slot

And that's where the Bustard wins.

From what I can see, CCP has made an effective armored truck. BRs use stealth and agility to reach their destination, while DSTs use their tank. With the overwhelming bulk of their cargo locked in the Fleet Hangar and a tiny cargo hold, the low slots are just not that important to a shield-tanked DST. The Bustard is a purer incarnation of the concept, while the Mastadon is a compromise. They're going to appeal to different people, and that's good.

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

Are you sure, you understand what I'm talking about? Currently it works like this:

An alt in a shuttle takes stuff out of a wreck of a ganked freighter and puts it in the fleet hangar of an Orca (40k max size per item due to fleet hangar size). Shuttle alt goes suspect, Orca does *not*. With a fully loaded freighter wreck, you can just get another freighter which takes the loot out of the fleet hangar of the Orca and which also does *not* go suspect. Everything completely without risks, because "nobody's going to set up a counter-gank in the time", just as you said and just like gankers like it.

The problem with this is, that you can't risklessly take out anything that's bigger than 40k size a piece. "Unfortunately" that also includes battleship sized ships like Marauders or Black Ops which have 50k packaged size. Currently you have to put a freighter or Orca at risk in order to loot them because they will have to go suspect. With the new 50k fleet hangar of the DST you suddenly can also launder them without any risk using the above technique because it has exactly the right size.

My proposal would be: make the fleet hangar slightly smaller and increase the size of the regular hangar in return. This would also solve the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures.

Is the MJD affected byt he +2 warp?

Meaning, if someone scrams you, but you can warp away due to the point, will that still shut down the MJD because the ship overcomes the scram?

Basically does the MJD benefit from the +2 Warp Core Strength or not. IMO it should as the same thing prevents warp, MWD and MJD. Where using a long point only disables the warp core, not the modules anyway?

I have honestly never flown a DST so not sure if a scram shuts down the MWD either, but should the +2 warp core strength apply to it as well??

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

We're definitely going to deal with the issues surrounding deploying and scooping of structures, either by changing the way fleet hangars interact with structures in space or by increasing the cargo holds to 4k so that you can get above 8k with expanders. Once I do a bit more investigation into that first option we'll update you guys with the progress.

Activating MJD deactivates cloak and you can't activate/ reactivate cloak while MJD spools up.

Actually, you can.

By activating both the MJD and Cloak on the same server tick they will still both go through. Keypress order matters though so you need to hit cloak first or else the process fails.

So yes, you can spool up while cloaked with an MJD. Once you jump the 100km however you will decloak.

I think the fix should be orca/DST goes flashy if recieving stolen goods as this sounds like an exploit to get around loot flagging,
with green safeties prevent people from putting stuff in there.

Any one taking form a flashies hangar should also go flashy.

Has this been confirmed from a third person view? Your client may tell you you did cloak up but server may say otherwise. A third person on grid would then see you as server says.