WHAT?!?!?!? Surely you are not advocating ::effort:: on behalf of freighter pilots who are clearly entitled to engage autopilot >> go make dinner and watch Netflix >> profit!!!

The nerve of some people!

Friendship over!

*slams door

No it isn't. If one pilot could bump your freighter and gank your freighter that would be bad (and CCP has repeatedly eliminated things like boomerang that allowed for undersized gangs to overperform). That a gang can win many including specialists vs 1 in a MMO is perfectly reasonable.

What is causing people grief right now, is that you can mostly sail about randomly afk and get away with it. if you never got away with it, you'd figure out your logistics and your economics so that you didn't need the freighter much and the freighter loads that -absolutely- had to fly freighter would be sufficiently valuable to you to fly escorted and scouted.

I bought an obelisk in 2009, and I can't currently undock it at all, since the undock is a known marmite location, and only 1 marmite pilot is required to beat me solo in an obelisk. ie your situation is much easier than mine (and I don't think there is anything wrong with mine, its a fair consequence of an act).

The recent aufay killings have shown up an awful lot of freighters flying pointlessly anyway, where had conditions been harsh enough to actually require the pilot to think before undocking they would have not flown the freighter, and it is a better game if you do in fact make logical survival choices.

CCP has also resolved ore as a problem that requires a freighter, and made that far less necessary or desirable (or at least it will be when the full indy patch hits).

Not sure which posting you are reading but sure ins't mine.

The only issue I currently have (once again) is bumping and the fact that 1 pilot can infinitely bump a freighter until the gank squad arrives and it is completely out of the freighter pilots hands.

This is why the tactic is used so often. As the guy bumping you know that the only way the freighter pilot can escape is if you screw up, there is nothing he can do to effect the outcome.

The only tactic to avoid being bumped is to use a legal loophole. You can talk as much as you like about what ever the hell you talking about but it still does not negate the fact that the only counter to bumping when you are a freighter pilot is by using a legal loophole.

Again I have no issues with ganking and I also do not want bumping to be banned, however it is worth a discussion to see if the mechanics can be changed in some way.

Also just in case you missed it, this has nothing to do with being afk. Without having people webbing you the quickest you could go to warp is about 25 secs with a seriously gimped fit and implants, still more then enough time to be bumped.

It's 100% intended in his suggestion, by the way. That's the end goal of all carebears. To lock out other people's gameplay, turn the game into Trammel.

I love the absolute nonsense you spout in your posts, it is actually quite funny. Carebears couldn't care less about low sec pvp, fw or other. It is the end goal of "all" gankers to lock out other people's gameplay, turn the game into trammel.

Remember you force your game play on us, not the other way around, there is plenty of space for you to play in where you don't need to worry about facpo or concord or sec standing.

I love the absolute nonsense you spout in your posts, it is actually quite funny. Carebears couldn't care less about low sec pvp, fw or other.

It is the end goal of "all" gankers to lock out other people's gameplay, turn the game into trammel.

Remember you force your game play on us, not the other way around, there is plenty of space for you to play in where you don't need to worry about facpo or concord or sec standing.

I'd buy that were it not for incidents like Aufey or burn Jita. Those special occasions where typical common sense and the things that keep you off the killboard 99 times out of 100 just don't work out because someone wants to make your day just a bit more special.

Of course others may just consider that to be the complacency of highsec, and that every freighter should always travel with a full complement of scout, webbers, ECM and other countergank support (Yea hyperbole!), but until the level of activity in those incidents becomes the norm, or even just slightly more common/widespread can you blame them?

And aside from paying the extortion fee, do you think your normal prep would have gotten you through Aufay?

No, but if they wish to use the tools provided by CCP, then asking friends for help in an MMO will work. Kinda like the gankers do.

If tank was based upon isk value then the federate issue megathron would have more tank than 80 titans, 100 supers, 4 fleets of dreadnoughts, two fleets of carriers and 5 fleets of battleships.

No, but getting all their other accounts banned alongside it does. Recycled gank alts is a myth. They don't happen because a) they're not worth it, b) they're pretty much useless, and c) they're 100% unnecessary, and would still be even if they had some minute use.

No. The price must not be in line with anything. If it is, the game is fundamentally and irreparably broken in every way. Price is a product, not a factor. Someone flying a multi-billion ISK freighter that took several months to train should know better than to get ganked by a few toons that have been around for years doing the same thing, and which are trivially found and traced using killboards and in-game alerts.

If they don't, then that's because the freighter pilot in question was an idiot who deserved it. His ship and training are not even relevant at that point.

Do you have a federate issue megathron? I can haz?

I love my gank alt. I would never biomass him. Besides, surgical strike 5 was such a pain in the ass, who wants to do that again?

The ability to contradict yourself like that, in the same sentence, is amazing. Gold star!

Stop trying to force me to go to lowsec. I want to blow up miners in highsec. Thank you.

I love the absolute nonsense you spout in your posts, it is actually quite funny. Carebears couldn't care less about low sec pvp, fw or other. It is the end goal of "all" gankers to lock out other people's gameplay, turn the game into trammel.

Remember you force your game play on us, not the other way around, there is plenty of space for you to play in where you don't need to worry about facpo or concord or sec standing.

"handcuffs, to strip away".

Given that out of millions of trips made by freighters every month only a few dosen die I would say they will have a rather univentful time.

But hey, since this is such a commonly done, "all the gankers are doing it" kinda thing, care to point me at a list of these biomassed cycle alts? I mean, if it's that common, link me some chars with the following characteristics:

1. Doomheim corp (that's the corp of biomassed chars)
2. Less than 3 months old.
3. Negative sec status.
4. Previous member of a known ganking corp.
5. Some connection between the accounts.
6. Currently active gank character.

I mean, if this happens as often as carebear folks claim it does, there should be ample examples of the above, right?

OMG.. You are asking for proof?!?!?! Why cant you simply take highsec's word for it?!?!! Why must everything be backed up with some sort of factual evidence to support ones claims?!?!?!

Inconceivable!

Friendship over!

*slams door

Im not really ending friendships, im just really into slamming doors today, and it seems kinda empty without emotional content.

His idea is pretty much a big FU to anybody who does faction warfare or lowsec PvP. It locks them out the market hubs and highsec in general. They can get round it using alts but they shouldn't have to unless they want to.

It would be ironic if such a change forced a decentralization of trade hubs forcing more trade to move out to low sec.

If that happened I would be deploying an Expanded Super Capital Tear Collection Array on the forums, and emptying it every server tick.

This is day four for me in this game, and I might not have a say on the matter, but like all people I will voice my two cents.

This is coming from a guy, who is just going to focus heavy on trade skills, because I find the combat very dull to me. I don't like it, and I might starting doing it with drones...but ya if I keep paying monthly. I won't be doing it because of the combat.

Now, I might not understand all that is going on, but if people are camping in a station and able to use alt accounts to scout, undock with main kill dock and being protected while they search for targets. I have mix feelings about that, but what can really be done? Muti accounts thing is encourage it seems and no way to really change it i don't think like it or not. but at the same time people said that it could be avoided..and ask for help. (I don't really like the thought of going through a game and being 100 percent depending on others to the point that you can't get enjoyment doing your thing with out some one up your butt.) *Shrugs* I'm just going by the info of what most of you guys post.

Seems like this is one of those situations where a perceived problem is in actuality an opportunity. If haulers were to start employing escorts to help protect their hindquarters not only would it increase their odds of arriving intact, but it would also give other players something to do as well.

It may not be the most exciting task out there, but if the ISK is right I'm sure there are young pilots out there who would happily ride shotgun with freighters in griffins or the like, helping web them into warp and jamming attempted ganks.
I can't see the cost of such services being so prohibitive as for it to cut too deeply into a freighter pilot's bottom line, so the real problem must lie elsewhere...

How much you want to bet that as a Dev they will actually be at the keyboard and working with a advanced scout and perhaps even a webbing friend to help keep them safe?

I'd bet that as a Dev who understands the social nature of Eve Online, the chance is very high.

Insist on flying hulls worth nearly 1.5 billion *and* often add tons of juicy loot on top, set that auto and go on the trip totally alone without even paying attention to anything around you, without bothering to check the map to make sure your route does not take you right through a freaking war zone ..... the player in questions gets what he deserves and hopefully will learn to not make the same mistake again.

Most of the tears that I see seem to come from freighters assuming that fitting triple bulkheads = a free pass to disregard sanity, go totally AFK, and just assume that a hour or two later they will arrive at their destination alive and turn a profit.

EVE already gives us some great ways to make money while AFK, it's called PI and Market Trading. If a players plan for making cash involves being in space and AFK - it is nothing but my pleasure to help educate them on the folly of their ways.

(Edit: Corrected a simple grammar error)