Why not add these to nullsec->nullsec as well?

Most people that live in WH space have very expensive implants in their heads, these people are not going to want to jump into a ship that costs 100x less than one of their implants to risk it on a null blob.

Sort out clone swapping within a WH (new module to store different clones possibly) so that people can jump into a clean clone and not have to worry about their implants, until then I donGÇÖt think you will see the massive numbers of WH based frig roams you are looking for.

can you explain your reasoning in "frigate" only? I just dont see this doing anything. Up in classes where people have capitals youd need a extremely large blob to even bother anyone

The CSM has also requested that we consider adding them as HS-WH connections in the future to encourage newer players to dip their toes into WH space with cheap ships.

Sounds like fun, however i'd be nice to be able to change out clones so we can take advantage of these "encouraged frigate roams" without worrying about losing pirate implants constantly.

Any word in that regard? I know people have talked about letting the rorqual do clone swapping.

are multi-bubble heavy dictors allowed intentionally or what. is it like it makes no sense for them to be let through, but you don't want to bother messing with them because they're terrible anyway?

Well this means that people cannot totally collapse wormholes without getting someone running into them. Planting scouts become a bit easier, and finding middle of the road fights become more viable.

You "technically" should run into more frigate/destroyer gangs in wormhole space.

I don't see this as being a way to go in and destroy capitals, but a way of creating more logistical movement in wormhole space itself (you can kill lower non-capital stuff ya know).

Basically they made a roaming gang of cheap ships viable.

They just have to find a way to cloneswap in wormhole space and people will go do this (its fun).

Flying cheap frigates in wormspace would be nice if my pod wasn't worth twice as much as most frigates I could fly.

Seems like an interesting addition but i don't really see the advantage of only being able to take frigates to fight the guys you are connected to... seems like it's a case of taking a knife to a gun fight.

Fozzie, please don't ignore this comment:

Its a mass issue. You can reduce their mass by a huge amount. I'm pretty sure they couldn't restrict their use without having to do some funky coding to identify that it was a heavy dictor and to say "no".

Simpler solution.

Whether they'll be used more.. dunno.

simple solution would be removing the speed/agility/mass changes on hictor points and just have them disable prop mods. wtb heavy dictor rebalance, they're stupid.

Flying cheap frigates in wormspace would be nice if my pod wasn't worth twice as much as most frigates I could fly.

I'm ok with them coming as most will be fit for mega tank and no gank.

Flying cheap frigates in wormspace would be nice if my pod wasn't worth twice as much as most frigates I could fly.

Mobile depo?

I'm very concerned that some of these changes will hurt new, low-sp player with relatively small ISK very badly, while providing no real content to the already estabished, powerful wspace residents. I can't imagine the established, rich alliances getting fun out of trashing frigs.

Well the issue I see is that this restricts one side to frigates, while the other will still just fleet up as normal. 2 guardians and 1 proteus can easily handle 4X their numbers in small ships ( less if you bring kitsunes I suppose), but since the other side isnt forced to use just small ships they probably wont.

Mobile Depot + Guns + ammo + Mods+ Cap batteries

The Storage Space of the Heavy Interdictor isn't THAT much.

You would not be able to hit a frigate with a heavy interdictor anyway (less you mount small guns/missiles, which are more common than most people want to admit on dictors).

Hey everyone! This thread is for all of your feedback and discussion surrounding the increase in random wormhole spawning and introduction of the new small ship wormholes that we announced in our recently released dev blog.

You'd not be limited to a single pass so on a theoretical level you can haul in however much you want. Or have a dedicated module/ammo/whatever hauler. People are quite resourceful when it comes to taking advantage of possibilities to turn the tables to their side.

Not that effective against frigates? perhaps not. Against destroyers, much more so..

Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying they should be barred from entering. I'm just saying they may give an unfair advantage in some cases.

Fozzie, as far as I can tell all of these changes (including the other threads) are good if not great.

To address people's pod worries, it would be nice if we could use rorquals to switch pods in wormholes. Maybe when the rorqual gets updated?

Totally like the idea, good job!

I disagree with players stating to do something about clone jumping in WH.. Making it easier to bring high value implants in WH simply facilitates settling WHs.
Now having a medical bay to respawn in a WH (after being podded) is something I can get along with as a middle ground, as long it belongs within a manned ship and not a structure (a T2 orca for example...)

Totally like the idea, good job!

I disagree with players stating to do something about clone jumping in WH.. Making it easier to bring high value implants in WH simply facilitates settling WHs.
Now having a medical bay to respawn in a WH (after being podded) is something I can get along with as a middle ground, as long it belongs within a manned ship and not a structure (a T2 orca for example...)

I'm not really sure that this change is healthy for the game over all.

Right now, WH space is the only space were new players can actually life in and have some kind of their "own" system. I came to eve early this year, after having played some hours a year before. But this time I stuck with it.

As a new player, you quickly realize that you have not many options when you want to create your own space empire or jus get your own home. You can either join a big coalition and be meaningless with your subpar skills. HERO didn't exist back then, so getting your own piece of the universe (getting sov) simply wasn't an option, even if you started with some friends. And renting isn't an option, either. New players simply can not afford rent. We don#t have carriers to rat or else. So, my friends and I (5 players using more then 10 accounts by now) decided to give W-space a try.

We are now happily living an a C2 with static high sec and C3. By now, most of us fly their t3s very well and we use our C3 static regularly to kill sleepers. We even used our last c4 connection to go into the c4 and killed sleepers there. That went smoooth, and now we are giving it a thought to try to move into a c4 with static c4. We like that c4s are more quiet then other w-space systems.

Beign new players means we don't have much money. We already lost some t3s to roams due to inexperience and failure in getting the proper intel, but we get by.

If you can not longer close your home system, then w-space will be dead for newbies. And with it EVE, excpet for high sec. Sure, you can go roaming in low sec, but you can not have a "home" there. And you will probably need to make money in high sec. Getting into null and actually occupying some space is already impossible, so w-space is the last space were even noobs can plant a flag (or a pos ar two) and have their very own space home.

But if you can not close your home anymore, then you can not do mining anymore, which is an important base income. And if you can not find wormhole connections to wormholes that have only 1 or two additional connections so that you can watch (and maybe bubble) them, then we can not go kill sleepers anymore. Because well fit destroyer/frigate gang can still hurt inexperienced players in t3s with relatively small ISK risk.


What problem does this change try to solve anyways? Wspace is already full of very healthy fights, there's no need to make it even more uncontrollable. At last not in c1-c4. Maybe c5/c6 needs to be more spiced in order to kill capital escalation fleets easier, but there is certainly no need for frigate pvp in wspace in general.


I'm very concerned that some of these changes will hurt new, low-sp player with relatively small ISK very badly, while providing no real content to the already estabished, powerful wspace residents. I can't imagine the established, rich alliances getting fun out of trashing frigs.

I'm very concerned that some of these changes will hurt new, low-sp player with relatively small ISK very badly, while providing no real content to the already estabished, powerful wspace residents.

I think it's important to remember that there are a lot of small corps in wormholes that may only be able to get 4-5 people online at the same time. These folks are not just doing PvP and killing sleepers, but they're making a living out of C1-C3s. These new small/unkillable holes will really hurt the ability for those corps to operate.

Hate to say this but frankly i don't think CCP give a shite about small corps, wh's or anywhere else.

For the record, small corp describes me too.

I feel like I should point out that a mobile depot allows access to infinitely sized Hictor combat fleets. 2000 Phobos (Phobi?) could come through a hole and refit to 100% guns. A much more powerful force than frigates alone.

I'm not sure if that's a problem, since it would take time to move that way and it would be a slow force. It'd also have a weak point in that any logi support would be frigates only. But I thought it might be worth mentioning.

And putting my Dinsdale :tinfoil: on. Isn't this just another pandering to Goons? ;)

They will also enjoy a very high stable mass and will be the first wormhole connections in EVE to regenerate mass over time. This means that collapsing these wormholes will be nearly impossible, and they will virtually always last to the end of their 16 hour lifespan.

Yeah the more i think about this addition the less i like it. I hate how popular interceptors have become in k-space due to their op mechanics, and the last thing i want to see is wormhole space full of ceptors...

I think this wormhole would be better suited to a new class of wormhole system. A system that has no moons to anchor a POS and profitable PVE that can be ran by a strong frigate fleet.

What really is the point of having regenerating mass wormholes? Just so things "stay open?"
I would say a kind of established "wormhole meta" that persists across many sci-fi platforms (including EVE) is "you never know when a wormhole will close." The big event in the lore with the EVE Gate was that it closed suddenly and without warning.
If CCP wants to change things up with this type of wormhole, just have it spawn with a variable mass limit and (if desired) variable time limit. Keep all the mass and time warnings of course, just scale the time one appropriately (instead of EOL being 4 hours, have it be X% of the remaining time). If a local wants to collapse it, they can just take the time (and risk) of rolling it with destroyers.

This way it will be a lot more dynamic. If people want to roll the dice and go for it they can, instead of being "Hey look one of our targets has one of those uncollapsable holes and it's not EOL, so take your time so we can seed all of our scouts in."

I looked at it from the frigate pilots side and I see why they did this.

They want to make frigate pilots less afraid of getting locked into or out of the wormhole. They want to make Assault Frigate Pilots, interceptor pilots, logistic pilots Ewar Frigate Pilots a little more comfortable with coming into a wormhole without fear that it'll get immediately collapsed behind them. They also don't want the opposing corp to just either combat roll it locking the frigate gang out, or into their hole.

I get it. At the moment I'm ok with it.

Would people dogpile into the system with a gang of 200. Who the heck knows.

They wouldn't have to worry about some one closing the hole so I don't really see why they wouldn't

Can we have T3 frigs now? :)

We believe that these new random wormholes will provide new opportunities for players interested in flying lighter ships than are common in the current wormhole meta, and roaming into nullsec with fast wolfpacks.

Basically they made a roaming gang of cheap ships viable.

The ONLY reason I and many other wormholers Pod people in wormholes is to ensure they cannot reship immediately, killboards, tears and other "stuff" is in the big scheme of things meaningless. Jumping and respawning in wormholes is a really really bad idea that completely changes how life takes place here, swapping clones should be the absolute limit, and is really needed as a feature.

And in case you did not read the dev blog Fozzie SPECIFICALLY said that preventing settling in wormholes was NOT a goal.

I agree that preventing settling altogether is not a goal.... I just said that any risk free high values implants clone would facilitate settling too much in WHs

Even swapping clones makes it too easy to farm and maximize and maintain WH settlements.
High value implants are already pretty close to pay-to-win, and should have no easy use in WH.
So I am also strongly against clone swapping in WH.

I can see the point about re shipping, But the idea of having a truly deep exploration ship like a t2 orca has been on my mind for a while, and to do deep exploration, you do need to be able to have a reasonable chance of not loosing access to your exploration assets when things go wrong. I am sure the re shipping as a home defense mechanism, as you seem to imply, can be handled in another way...

Can we have T3 frigs now? :)

Currently any WH system can have at most 6 WH connections at any given time (including its statics/wandering static). Will this remain as-is? Or will this new "random" wormhole supersede this limitation?

I finally see the issue with this.

There is no actual flood control with this wormhole (at least not yet). Meaning that as many can come in as wanted (its basically a gate for frigates, destroyers and heavy dictors).

You potentially have no control at all regarding how many people enter unless you have a sensor boosted alpha fleet or a smart bombing fleet on the hole 24/7.

It is not a issue now, but I see this becoming an issue later.

Have to see how the hole mechanics work.

I get the concern Rek. If I had a concern, it wouldn't be interceptor gangs, it would be bomber gangs.

I'm still not adverse to this change. I still see the potential (and I'm less worried about K-space invading with interceptors because there are easier fights to find without having to map out a giant wormhole chain just to find the pew). We are willing to do it (because that is what we do).

How about this?

The wormhole loses stability as more jumps are performed, resulting in longer and longer polarization timers for ships passing through it. At high levels of instability, ships passing through the wormhole could even take structural damage, or the wormhole could become impassable until enough time has passed.

So, you still get a wormhole that can't be easily closed, but that only frigates can jump through.
However, there's a throttle that prevents someone from using it to move large fleets quickly (at least, not without taking on additional risk).

PS: This in no way changes my original thoughts posted earlier in the thread. Just throwing this out as an example of how flood control could work.

2) (biggest issue ) currently EXTREMELY disproportionately Random worm hole generation. currently other than our static, 9 out of 10 holes tend to spawn at down time. So where is the random. Who benefit's from this.. not USA time zones. WHO benefit's from this... eastern Europe prime time,and What benefit's are there.. makes seeding hostile capitals in systems easier for some time zones.

Going to say this is a stupid idea, and just goes to prove you do not like mining in wh space. you should do the players a favor and just remove grav sites from WH's cuz no one is going to mine them with un-closable frig sized wh's with high spawn rates.

Thought about this for a day. I have some reservations.

1) You've given rise to nullsec bomber fleets into wormholes. Meaning you've given the rise to unlimited wings of siege bombers into wormhole space.. with a hole that cannot be closed. While it was possible before, it was not practical.

2) You give people with numbers an infinite advantage.

Wormholers concern is majorly the influx of hundreds upon hundreds of nullsec interceptor and bomber gangs into wormhole space though the use of the infinite hole. But honestly.. we really do not know what will happen.

Its a crap shoot either way. I'd take a gamble on it.

+1 to persistent wormholes that can't be shut

even the big ones

Why do you think more (and more importantly, unclosable) wormholes will lead to more pvp? If anything, it will lead to less.

Carebears can't make themselves "safe" so they pack up and leave.

PvPers now have fewer targets.

For the people in the middle who are satisfied with dropping pickets on incoming wormholes, all this does is increase the number of alt accounts they'll have to maintain in order to maintain safety...oh.

Guess I just found the reason for this. CCP wants us to pay for more alt accounts.

This. Thanks for making it so succinct.

If hics can go through, I assume Tech 3s can too, which is great for me when I go hunting.

Wow. this thread. So many non-reasons against frigate mass wormholes.
I'm going to say this once, and once only - you are all bad.

Yeah the more i think about this addition the less i like it. I hate how popular interceptors have become in k-space due to their op mechanics, and the last thing i want to see is wormhole space full of ceptors...

I think this wormhole would be better suited to a new class of wormhole system. A system that has no moons to anchor a POS and profitable PVE that can be ran by a strong frigate fleet.

My understanding is that the Inty swarms only really become an issue when there's a ton of them, like a full wing. Thousand Paper Cuts kind of thing. Since standard Logi's can't come in through that, only Logi Frigs, I don't think it'll end up too bad. You can deal with the Logi frigs then slowly chip away at the Inties. Or have everyone kinda just sit there eternally till DT as no one can kill the other. One of the two.
I don't think there's too many WH groups that can load out a full wing of inties at the moment to cause those kinds of issues. The occasional Null roaming gang maybe.

Fozzie, please cancel the small ship wormhole idea until you have some new content deserving of this new connection.

There is no need/place for this given the current mechanics/content. This new low mass wormhole would be better suited as a gateway to a new class of wormhole designed for frigates.

To address people's pod worries, it would be nice if we could use rorquals to switch pods in wormholes. Maybe when the rorqual gets updated?

Especially for those living in C4 - You are:
adding a static
adding indestructible WH fountains for fleets of frigates (yeah.. bombers..) with Hdic support
allowing PVP corps to gather a whole fleet on a hole before opening it
"More randomly spawning wormholes"...

This game has a SERIOUS problem with PVE. PVP is cool.. I guess.. but I am interested in PVE.. and one of the last places with any at all decent PVE is in WH space, and you are now making it MUCH worse. This will un-sub people.

Depending on how these are received once we release them in wormholes, we'll consider adding them elsewhere. The CSM has also requested that we consider adding them as HS-WH connections in the future to encourage newer players to dip their toes into WH space with cheap ships.
I think both are good ideas but we'll start them off as WH exclusive and consider expansion from there.

Its a mass issue. You can reduce their mass by a huge amount. I'm pretty sure they couldn't restrict their use without having to do some funky coding to identify that it was a heavy dictor and to say "no".

Simpler solution.

Whether they'll be used more.. dunno.

stop trying to fix things that are not broken ccp. I havent liked a single WH change i have read so far.

if you want to spice up w-space, give reasons for more people to move into them.

e.g. moon goo, ice belts, new types of site

if you want to make wormholes more dangerous,

sleepers spawn around wormholes randomly... new sleepers with hic bubbles, etc, use your imagination, add to the content, dont **** it sideways everyday and twice on sunday.

If you really want to go balls deep, sleepers having the chance to spawn at your moon and reinforcing your tower^^

What is currently stopping newer players from dipping their toes into w-space? If they're not doing it now with cheap frigs they won't be doing it with the addition of these holes. Come on, now.

Let's just iterate this point... Wormholes. Newer Players.

Wormholes...

Newer Players...

Are you kidding me? You're adding this because of your new player experience scheme. Since when was living in a wormhole for a new player? They don't have the skills to survive living in a wormhole. Lack of tank, lack of support skills, lack of weapon system skills, lack of general game knowledge overall and not understanding how wormholes work. They would just get bored of not being able to survive sites and not being able to survive PvP against T3s.

And as stated earlier, most new players don't go into wormholes in frigs other than scanning ships anyway to have a poke around.

Nice to know CCP is more bothered about new player retention than its current playing member base.

Having a nigh unclosable WH in your chain that allows HICs, Ceptors, AFs and Dessies through, is going to mess up the smaller wormhole corps. Especially considering when you can amass the fleet on the other side of the hole before actually spawning it in the system in question. A group of 20 T2 frigs isnt that much of an issue when it comes to Capital escalations and the like, but tone that down to a group of T2 frigs in a lowclass wormhole that can easily mess up 3 battleships.

Don't get me wrong, I love the thought of more PvP and more targets to bomb etc etc, but this new hole because "it encourages new players" is utter bull...

...I have a feeling if nullsec finds one of these - the WH that's in there will be swamped by bored null roamers in cheap pods flying cheap frigs, ...

Personally, I welcome the addition of excitement to wormholes. Sure, it can cause a headache for smaller corps in lower end WH's - but its not like frig fleets are going to try and reinforce a POS or something.

Frig gang invades your WH? Get literally 5/6 bombers and bomb away - fun for days. It will be nice to see something other than cloaky t3's all the damn time.

Frig gang invades your WH? Get literally 5/6 bombers and bomb away - fun for days. It will be nice to see something other than cloaky t3's all the damn time.

Fozzie, please cancel the small ship wormhole idea until you have some new content deserving of this new connection.

There is no need/place for this given the current mechanics/content. This new low mass wormhole would be better suited as a gateway to a new class of wormhole designed for frigates.

But why would a frigate gang invade wormhole space if they aren't doing this already?

The only groups that would benefit from this limitless frigate sized wormhole are huge null sec alliances... If they feel like it, they will be able to flood your wormhole with a 400 man frigate and HIC fleet and there is nothing you can do to stop them.

It's a nice idea that is poorly implemented.

Our Alliance will likely put up a smart bombing battleship doctrine. Please let null blob our hole with cheap frigates, we promise lots of wrecks =)

They already can do this just using normal holes, so what is really changing? Just that they can go out and back in again. What are they going to do with 400 frigs in your hole? RF some POCOS, if they try to go for towers a) the hole will be gone before the RF timer and b) they will horribly die when the residents fight back.
The only change is once every month or so you will have a hole you cannot close for 16h.

are multi-bubble heavy dictors allowed intentionally or what. is it like it makes no sense for them to be let through, but you don't want to bother messing with them because they're terrible anyway?

With the existing mechanics you can close the hole to prevent them streaming in reinforcements but with this new wormhole, you don't have that option.

A 400 man fleet could easily maintain system control while they wait for their pos bashing fleet to arrive.

Agreed, but there is a reason I (as well as others) have been asking for a pos module vs a rorqual.

1) the rorqual requires a pilot to operate and fly it
2) it overcomplicates the ship
3) No glorious killmail with pods in it.
4) Slower process.
5) the rorqual should be more than a pod swap ship.

A cloneswap method should be available to wormhole space so that people won't freak about about losing.

Would you commit a billion isk clone to fly a t1 frigate? A t2 frigate? A destroyer? A Interdictor?
How about a 500 mil isk clone?
200 mil isk clone?

Possible concerns :
siege concerns:
These holes will make it very easy to get scouts into a siege hole.
Podded people can get back int a sieged system easyly, attackers need to have a 16hour gatecamp to keep em out.

No frig pve content in w-space(except maybe c1-c2), so it is only for pvp'ers?

With the new-wspace effect 800dps taranis, here we come!

Depending on how these are received once we release them in wormholes, we'll consider adding them elsewhere. The CSM has also requested that we consider adding them as HS-WH connections in the future to encourage newer players to dip their toes into WH space with cheap ships.
I think both are good ideas but we'll start them off as WH exclusive and consider expansion from there.

Would you commit a billion isk clone to fly a t1 frigate? A t2 frigate? A destroyer? A Interdictor?
How about a 500 mil isk clone?
200 mil isk clone?

Its a frigate, a destroyer.

We laugh at people who lose multi million isk clones while flying frigates and destroyers.

You want people to make the commitment to flying lightly armored ships that may explode in moments.. Then allow them to swap clones.

Else people will flat out say "no I can't I have 600 mil in my head".

...

Nice to know CCP is more bothered about new player retention than its current playing member base.

Having a nigh unclosable WH in your chain that allows HICs, Ceptors, AFs and Dessies through, is going to mess up the smaller wormhole corps. Especially considering when you can amass the fleet on the other side of the hole before actually spawning it in the system in question. A group of 20 T2 frigs isnt that much of an issue when it comes to Capital escalations and the like, but tone that down to a group of T2 frigs in a lowclass wormhole that can easily mess up 3 battleships.

Don't get me wrong, I love the thought of more PvP and more targets to bomb etc etc, but this new hole because "it encourages new players" is utter bull...

Unless I am mistaken the second rule of EVE is don't fly what you can't afford to lose. The first rule is that no place is truly safe. Did you not understand these two rules when you bought your implants?

If you have expensive implants it's because you need them for their effect I hope, if you have them for bragging rights only then getting blown up could be very bad for you. If they are functional then they should have paid for themselves many times over by now.

The third rule of EVE is unless you are the biggest null sec alliance accept your role as prey and no whining, see rules one and two if you are still confused.

I'll apply the logic.

Frig roam everybody.

Half of wormhole space would say. "Sorry applying rule #2. I can't afford to lose my hundreds of millions of isk clone to fly in a stupid fking frig roam using ccp's new frig holes because I have to fly to kspace, find a station, jump clone, fly back, enter wormhole, get into my friga... And you've decided not too because everybody in the wormhole has to do that".

Scheduling doesn't work because our entrances and exists are random. We may not have a viable kspace to jump clone, and join the roam.

That is less pew, and no fun.

Give wormholers the method for swapping their clones in holes and you will see more people committing themselves to smaller frig and dessy roams.

The point is wormhole space never revolved around frigates. It has always been cruisers , t3's and battlecruisers maxed out for survival.

Frigate play is an entirely new meta. You want to make wormholers play, you have to give them a way to swap out their heads because of the new meta.

(This isn't something like a flavor of the month, CCP wants entirely new gameplay in total.
Smaller ships
Faster ships
Cheaper ships

Wormholers have revolved around the meta of t3's and support for them.

Highsec, lowsec, nullsec has no issues at all with this because they have both the stations and the facilities to change everything at a moments notice.

I want people to play with implants in their head, but people are not that risk adverse to risk more than 50 to 100 million isk of implants in a frigate and/or destroyer with the ehp of wet toilet paper.

I cannot contemplate why I would put on the field my pilot in a interceptor or assault frigate fit at around 50 million isk, when I have a billion isk clone. And the only way to fix that issue and for me to commit something more appropriate to the ship I am flying is to find a space station (goodluck with these holes only having a capable nullsec), that I can dock at, then jump clones (probably halfway across the galaxy) then make my way back in anytype of acceptable timeframe.

I live in wormholes, let me store my clone in wormholes. And if I get sieged and evicted, I can kiss all my clones in my wormhole goodbye.

Because I can't see how the hell I'm going to get them out before someone blows up the pos.

Risk is already there. Reward, blow up my pos.

Heck I wish I could blow up the space station you keep your pod in.

Unless I am mistaken the second rule of EVE is don't fly what you can't afford to lose. The first rule is that no place is truly safe. Did you not understand these two rules when you bought your implants?

I feel like I should point out that a mobile depot allows access to infinitely sized Hictor combat fleets. 2000 Phobos (Phobi?) could come through a hole and refit to 100% guns. A much more powerful force than frigates alone.

I'm not sure if that's a problem, since it would take time to move that way and it would be a slow force. It'd also have a weak point in that any logi support would be frigates only. But I thought it might be worth mentioning.

IF CCP can create a pos module for clone "swapping".. this is easily a 10/10.

If they cannot, this is a 1/10.

Hey everyone! This thread is for all of your feedback and discussion surrounding the increase in random wormhole spawning and introduction of the new small ship wormholes that we announced in our recently released dev blog.

IMO EVE needs more incentives for people to fly BS and BC class... not frigs. This change just will mean more annoying huge frig blobs, but won't do anything to increase the amount of GFs people have in WH space.

Fozzie, please cancel the small ship wormhole idea until you have some new content deserving of this new connection.

There is no need/place for this given the current mechanics/content. This new low mass wormhole would be better suited as a gateway to a new class of wormhole designed for frigates.

Dunno if this has already been answered but are you talking about some new wormhole systems themselves where the only incoming/outgoing connections are this new low-mass/jump type or are you specifically creating new connections only?

I'll bring this up because it needs to be said.

Should these uncloseable frig wormholes be able to have a anytype of kspace (in this case, nullsec) connection?

We are not talking about any type of newbie friendly activity here, and the main concern is a flood of hundreds and hundreds of frigates wadding down a wormhole corp.

Should these be able to connect to nullsec? Because currently, they can.

Only thing that came to my mind when I read this, since its NS->WH only