Patch Notes For Rhea
2014-12-16 11:25
Patch notes for Rhea 1.3
Release on Tuesday, December 16, 2014

FEATURES & CHANGES

User Interface:

. Added the option to turn off the dynamic brightness effect of all the darn windows
. UI colors are now customizable, so everybody can be be happy

I don't like the new UI the old one was much better. The only plus about the new one is that it does seem to be more functional as a see-through window but I don't see much use for that.

All the icons on the left side of my screen that I use to interact with everything are now all the same color and very difficult to tell apart. I used to be able to click on the icon that I wanted to open the UI to but now I have to hover over several icons in the area of where I know my market UI should be and wait for the hover over pop up to show me if it is the market UI or ship fitting UI or industry UI or what ever and if I get it wrong hover over the next one until the pop up window shows.

I don't like it this is a step backwards on forwards please change it back.

That's only because you had memorized the old, horribly unclear and ugly icons, not because they were good. The new ones actually have a logical connection between their appearance and the function they represent.

Is that so? Lets have a look.

-There is a stock exchange chart as symbol for a market place where you buy goods.

-A medieval looking scroll as a symbol for contracts

-A spaceship in a crosshair for fitting.

-A journal in that you cannot write at all is symbolized by a jounal with a pen? Oo

-The symbol for assets looks like a gear wheel in a microwave oven.

-Fleet menu is symbolized with a rank insignia.

If you can explain my why those symbols have an intuitive and REALLY logical connection to their respective menu content i would be very surprised.

Is that so? Lets have a look.

-There is a stock exchange chart as symbol for a market place where you buy goods. (1)

-A medieval looking scroll as a symbol for contracts. (2)

-A spaceship in a crosshair for fitting. (3)

-A journal in that you cannot write at all is symbolized by a jounal with a pen? Oo (4)

-The symbol for assets looks like a gear wheel in a microwave oven. (5)

-Fleet menu is symbolized with a rank insignia. (6)

If you can explain my why those symbols have an intuitive and REALLY logical connection to their respective menu content i would be very surprised.

1.
Price history, price fluctuations, as simple as that. Can't do better!
If it doesn't look like a "market thing" to you, I think we can't help you anymore...

2.
We often use references to old objects as pictograms in real modern life, because they still are strong historical universal known objects and so, efficient references.
Typography, pictography, writing, all of this is almost always based on history.
Search = magnifying glass. Call button on phones = old phone. Etc. Do you have a better idea for contracts?

3.
A crosshair, really? Where is the cross? OK for the ship, the Rifter is not a good choice.

4.
You can't write in it, but this is where you get your missions infos (and a lot of other infos related to time (i.e.: things to do, accomplished things)), so you can suppose your character take notes in it. Without the pen it would be a book.

5.
Really? Are you serious? Can't you see the strongbox? Let me ask again, are you serious?

6.
And what is a fleet? Isn't it a group of people hierarchically organised?
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Seriously, there a real legitimate complaints out there, but this kind of "easy unconstructive criticism" (to stay polite) is nothing else than bad faith and whims!

There are indeed a few icons that are actually not that good (wallet, people and places, agent finder, ...) but you talked about none of them and you aren't giving any better idea about the ones you criticize, probably because you don't have any...

So, you are just crying...

Im neither kidding nor crying. Im only asking for, that when you replace all icons in a game with new ones they have to be pretty darn good. Especially if you use simplified monochrome icons instead of small pictures.

1. What your saying kind of conforms the problem with this icon, it represents only a certain function within the market but does not represent a marketplace in general.

2. I see your argument, but when you see a scroll, whats the first thing you think of, a contract? Well i would think of a constitution or some historical declaration.

3. When i see this ship in a circle i think of something like targeting, maybe bounty office or so.

4. I understand your point, for me its just counterintuitive somehow, i mix it up with notices all the time so far

5. Well now that you mention it, still looks totally strange for me this icon. And the last strongbox i have seen doesnt look like that either

6. you have a point but when you see a rank insignia what do you think of? I think of a ladder, or merrits or sth like that. Why didnt they just use like 3 small ships in a formation or something like that?

The funny thing is, the ones you are mentioning are totally fine for me, which basicly supports my pov that the new icons are bad, when different people have totally different ideas when they see them.

Another day, another mini patch and no official update yet from CCP regarding feedback received.

This 'stonewalling' attitude by CCP is beginning to border on rudeness.

How long would it take for one of the staff to post a quick update stating "After reviewing feedback we see no real issues and the new UI will remain 'as is' ", "We are still reviewing feedback and will update on our intentions once we have finished reviewing feedback" or more preferably, "After reviewing feedback, we have decided to make some revisions to the new UI and we are examining ways to implement them"?

Any response would take just a few minutes and would no doubt be welcomed by many of the people expressing concerns.

Could we please have a quick update on CCP's plans?

This was exactly my first reaction when this was suggested, but it turns out that once you have clear cut shapes, you don't really need color to tell them apart. Like I said in the blog, it's a "try it to believe it" kind of thing!

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1. What your saying kind of conforms the problem with this icon, it represents only a certain function within the market but does not represent a marketplace in general.

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PS: Market icon should be a "for sale" sign

All that matters with icons is, what do they make you think about first?
If that is market, then the icon is good!
This isn't absolutly necessary (and there is no way I can think of) to make it "represent a Marketplace in general"...

What is a "for sale" sign?
Never seen that...

"Marketplace in general" as in "shopping". A shopping cart is a very common representation. Though doesn't fit the bills of EVE UI. The old icon of stuff pouring from delivery crate was quite fitting.


This one f.e.

Reset your counter to 0.

"Marketplace in general" as in "shopping". A shopping cart is a very common representation. Though doesn't fit the bills of EVE UI. The old icon of stuff pouring from delivery crate was quite fitting.

I wonder if some of the people saying that the new interface looks like something out of the 1990s were using computers in the 1990s? The old, cluttered, pixellated, vaguely skeuomorphic icons look a lot more like Windows 95/Mac OS 8 era work than the new ones do.