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Herio Mortis
Dark Nebula Academy O X I D E
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:00:00 -
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Nothing really wrong with the new font as a typeface, but the kerning looks to be a bit off in some places. Good example would be the balance numbers in the wallet interface. The bold version also looks a bit blurred out. The space character could also be cut down a pixel or two I think, it feels just a tad too wide.
Kerning is also a rather hard thing to implement properly which is why most people would tend to use a typeface rendering library for it. Not sure how CCP has done it.
For me personally I consider it an improvement even though my first reaction was "urgh!", I think that is down to being so used to the old font in the game that anything else just looks weird and strange.
Good job at keeping it fairly compact horizontally without sacrificing readability too much. |

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
74
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:06:00 -
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While I agree the font is not the prettiest one it is MUCH better than the old one and with 125% scaling on I can actually read it without my eyes falling out of my head due to squinting.
Protip : You can select 'use small fonts' in appearance under overview settings, for some reasons the resulting font is better.
The changes to the windows on the other hand...I still haven't figured it out  FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |

Blood Fart
Silent Coven
21
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:08:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:It is currently not possible to toggle between the new font and the old one. While we appreciate that this is something a lot of people are asking for, it simply cannot be done in the current font rendering system.
OK, I can deal with not being able to toggle....any chance ya can just change the one we have to not look like the text from my first Commodore 64? |

Shkolnica
2
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:11:00 -
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Little Delicious wrote:E Wan wrote: As a graphic designer you should take care of each and every customer.
first of all as a graphic designer you should know your audience, and if the audience you're delivering information to is 300,000+ individuals who play a graphically intensive video game in 2011, you're not going to be designing for a 15'' macbook. This font solution has immensly fewer legibility issues for a far larger portion of the people playing this game.
Go to steam and see the most common screen resolutions. I see this: 1920 x 1080 23.73% 1680 x 1050 18.08% 1280 x 1024 11.39% |

Psychophantic
157
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:17:00 -
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We were complaining about this font over a month ago.
Quote: There was a font specialist who made the font. I didn't make it myself
Quote:We will of course do our best to address all issues that have been raised here (other than the "OMG THE FONT IS UGLY" and other alike). Ugly font was not an issue.
Quote:There won't be a way to use the old font and there won't be a way to select fontsize. That's because it's hard to maintain that in a UI window, if you make the font larger, it's not going to fit there anymore. UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project. It's ok. I get it. You hired a professional to come in and design this font so you don't want us to use the old one. Funny how the UI window were fixed to handle font sizing though. |

Phoebus Raszamar
Valkyria Epsilon
11
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:31:00 -
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Sadly, I'd have to agree.. I find all these new additions that came with the patch as super, but this font truly is unbearable.
RiotRick wrote: The spacing of text in certain areas -- In some elements there is just too little room around the text. See for example the augmentations tab in the character sheet . Or the number of people in a chat channel: Corp [123]. The spacing looks goofy there. Just like the numbers of stacked items in the hangar. And there are a lot more places where this weird look exists.
Nalia White wrote:now i live also in the philosophy "function before looks" but i find this new font to be both: bad looking AND worse to read...
Vin Ott wrote: the old one was perfect no problems reading of any kind, if you did you should've bought reading glasses or what ever.
Although, as much as we whine, nothing will probably be done to cater to our (the minority's) needs. What I've suspected from my initial weeks of playing this game (and from my participation within the forums) manifested with the introduction of this change: this game is directed towards the blind - old and pretentious - geezers.
Not as futuristic as I envisioned this game to be, sorry.
One thing that intimidates me is not being able to understand what I should be able to understand - or at least, people telling me what I can or cannot understand.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
438
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:34:00 -
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Reading this original feedback thread through should give rather good picture about the font / UI development stages for this expansion.
It is quite clear that the workload was way much greater than they expected in the start. Entire UI scaling project and optional font sizes came as a surprise and I'm sure that the localization effort didn't help any either.
UI department did wonderful job with the time they had. It is clear that UI/font is not yet polished to the maximum quality, there as some missing options like windows pinning and some texts may look bit odd (like in manufacturing/science quota window).
However the effort they did to push the UI to this current stage from the 1st preview version has been huge. The 1st version was really horrible and the current one is quite usable already. There are things which could be better, but for now - knowing all the difficulties they had - I'm happy.
So... enjoy the game and feel free to expect so finishing touches in near future... They just didn't have the time.
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THXBYE
Elite War Squad
31
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:36:00 -
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Vin Ott wrote:How come ccp decided to change the font?
I never really got that, the old one was perfect no problems reading of any kind, if you did you should've bought reading classes or what ever.
This just doesn't make much sense screwing up Eve online even more!
Because they wanted to make it close to "UI Size Change", but for some reason ended up changing just the font. It could be the best option since basically the font is the UI size in EvE, but could have done/changing it to something a little better.
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Barakkus
1103
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:38:00 -
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Posted it in the other thread, this is the font they should have used, but I know too many people would QQ over it... http://www.ffonts.net/Bank-Gothic-Light-BT.font
I use this for every part of windows whenever I set up a new machine, have for the last 10 years or so. I love it. |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
566
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:38:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:flank steak wrote:wow you have known this was coming out for about a month and you choose today to complain about it? Seriously forum warriors? Agreed. People have had the option to see the new font for a long time. They asked for feedback before it went live for a reason.
QFT. From both of you. |

Zifrian
Deep Space Innovations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:47:00 -
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Like to jump on the "I don't like this Font" wagon as well.
Why did it change? Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! https://sourceforge.net/projects/eveiph/ |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:50:00 -
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Wow I have rarely seen more idiocy in a single topic.
The new font went on Sisi a LONG time ago. You choosing now to complain about it now instead of after CCP asked for FEEDBACK when it went on the test server instantly invalidates your arguement.
CCP keep the new font. It is fine. |

Amber Green Thorn
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:50:00 -
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Quote:Go to steam and see the most common screen resolutions. I see this: 1920 x 1080 23.73% 1680 x 1050 18.08% 1280 x 1024 11.39%
Whether you like the old font or not there exists serious scaling issues here.
I've a 22" monitor set at 1680 x 1050.
At 100% the UI scaling makes the text too large and clearly requires me to make all open windows that bit larger. it all looks cluttered - away from the cleaner lines of the old UI. At 90% the UI scaling makes the text just about right, however the text at the top of the windows and tabs is scaled too small. In typesetting you just don't use too similar sizes for fonts as is the case here. Cardinal rule.
For me - this font thing has half marred starting Crucible for the first time. It just got in the way.
Tl;Dr - The scaling requires work
Apart from that!! Good job on everything er.....apart from- the new mining laser sound (return of) is going result in mental health problems... |

BondGamer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:51:00 -
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I played games 15 years ago that let you select the font you want to see. Why is it impossible for a 2011 MMO to have some options? |

Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:52:00 -
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I really like the new font, it's certainly a lot more readable than the old |

Theodemir
Nemesis Holdings Corp Luna Sanguinem
9
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:52:00 -
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As CCP, many that go on sisi and others have said this new font is more function over fonshion!
90% UI, 10 font, 24" widescreen & 1920*1080 font is clear and tidy. No squinting or leaning forward necessary.
Problems with the new font as expected: Lost its sci-fi edge/[poss not the font itself] names truncated in item tab (as others have stated).
Personally, EvE UI feels more 'tidy' with this patch. |

Zifrian
Deep Space Innovations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:54:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Wow I have rarely seen more idiocy in a single topic.
The new font went on Sisi a LONG time ago. You choosing now to complain about it now instead of after CCP asked for FEEDBACK when it went on the test server instantly invalidates your arguement.
CCP keep the new font. It is fine.
I will complain when I see it for the first time, which is now. Not everyone has time to test a game every patch.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
171
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:58:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:flank steak wrote:wow you have known this was coming out for about a month and you choose today to complain about it? Seriously forum warriors? Agreed. People have had the option to see the new font for a long time. They asked for feedback before it went live for a reason. QFT. From both of you.
People have complained since it was first released. CCP didn't care because they are "Fearless". The new font is terrible.
CCP Punkturis is the worst Dev.-á Fix the font or you will be the 21st percent. |

Rhastafan
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
5
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:58:00 -
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First thing I noticed after the patch was the horrible new font; I had a stack of 66 ships and the "66" was so blurry I could not read it; in fact all stack quantity numbers are mostly illegible. Also on headings when there is number followed by a right bracket, the bracket is much too close to the number. So after spending most of my gametime trying to figure out how to reset back to the old font I come to these forums and discover that there is no way to change back to the old font.
I am entirely confused by those posting that the new font is better and clearer; at first I thought they were clearly being sarcastic but I am starting to think maybe for some the new font is actually better, but for me it is so much worse and so completely illegible in many situations that I am at a loss for words.
Don't get me wrong, I think the old font sucked and needed to be replaced, I just find it astonishing that it was replaced with an even worse font.
Sign me up on the petition to change back to the old font. New font is sooo bad, I am looking at an 8 and the top circle is larger than the bottom one
On a related note is there a way to change the font for the forums? It seems to have the same or similar font as is ingame.
I never used the test server and never read any reference to the font being slated for change so this all came as quite a shock to find that they changed it to something so bad without giving the option to change back.
1600x1200 is my resolution of choice and I use a 19" CRT monitor with a flat aperture grille. |

Ryas Nia
Veto. Veto Corp
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:58:00 -
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Sadly the new font is next to impossible to read for me :( I am really struggling to find a clear way to explain it but something about my dyslexia makes it so i have to work out every word character by character rather than being able to quickly look at the word and recognize it.
Anti-aliased fonts would be handy as it would soften the edges making each character more distinct, if I cant have the old font back or toggle between them, maybe we can add that without much effort. I could also really use some Kern spacing control as many of the characters seem to be stuck together making reading even harder. Again maybe that is something that can be added without lots of overhead.
Overall, font is worse for me :( |

Octarius Eskravu
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:00:00 -
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I was so excited with this new patch...but as soon as i logged in...i had to come to the forums looking for a complain thread bout the font...looks like im not alone.
This font is terrible...yeah it can be more readable if your looking at 1 word...but when the chat starts having more than 10 words its a mess...looks like a letter soup! i feel like i playing eve with a patch for a handicap person...also lots of issues trying to fill the space...like names that appear when they log in/off and ammo on the gun icon...and more.
the older might had issues...but this is surely not the solution.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
438
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:02:00 -
[172] - Quote
Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.
Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space).
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
171
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:02:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.
Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space).
90% scaling makes things like your gun icon's ammo count numbers look like ****. The new font is terrible.
CCP Punkturis is the worst Dev.-á Fix the font or you will be the 21st percent. |

Miss President
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
19
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:13:00 -
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The new font is such a step backwards towards the stone age.
I can understand this type of font development when first computers where just invented, but we live 2011 with technology, graphics, interfaces advancing in a very fast pace - each time creating something beautiful and genius, but this font is not it - and totally out of pace.
Looking at this font for the first time I'm thinking "IS THIS A JOKE?"
Font scale in menues, in local window, in right click bookmarks is different everywhere, each time requiring visual re-adjustment.
Font Expert's first priority should be user friendliness and usability - font should scale and be readable in many sizes.
The biggest problem is each area you look at requires visual readjustment, this font is not user friendly - it's hostile.
I think CCP should immediately roll back to old fonts, and let their font expert finish the work on the test server.
I rate this font 1 on a scale of 10.
Old font I'd rate 7 on a scale of 10. |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
438
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:13:00 -
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Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.
Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space). 90% scaling makes things like your gun icon's ammo count numbers look like ****.
Yep... Like I said - that is one of the side effects of this.
The root cause is that the default font size was increased making many windows little bigger. Default font should have been same size than the old font keeping old windows intact. Scaling should have been used only to make standard windows together with the standard font bigger.
Anyways... 90% + small font in overview makes the thing usable. You can always hover over stacks to get some clarification about the amounts in them.
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Barakkus
1103
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:16:00 -
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Ryas Nia wrote:Sadly the new font is next to impossible to read for me :( I am really struggling to find a clear way to explain it but something about my dyslexia makes it so i have to work out every word character by character rather than being able to quickly look at the word and recognize it.
Anti-aliased fonts would be handy as it would soften the edges making each character more distinct, if I cant have the old font back or toggle between them, maybe we can add that without much effort. I could also really use some Kern spacing control as many of the characters seem to be stuck together making reading even harder. Again maybe that is something that can be added without lots of overhead.
Overall, font is worse for me :(
Depending on the size of the font, the spacing gets weird, that's why you're having an issue. Keep playing with it, it'll get readable for you at some point, but it may not be the size you want it to be. |

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
171
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:16:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.
Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space). 90% scaling makes things like your gun icon's ammo count numbers look like ****. Yep... Like I said - that is one of the side effects of this. The root cause is that the default font size was increased making many windows little bigger. Default font should have been same size than the old font keeping old windows intact. Scaling should have been used only to make standard windows together with the standard font bigger. Anyways... 90% + small font in overview makes the thing usable. You can always hover over stacks to get some clarification about the amounts in them.
"Excellence" The new font is terrible.
CCP Punkturis is the worst Dev.-á Fix the font or you will be the 21st percent. |

Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
41
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:17:00 -
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as an add on:
although i love the font it was originally unreadable. Too make it readable I had to turn back from windowed to full screen. Its possible this is a windowed mode issue (in terms of readability). |

Barakkus
1103
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:18:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Wow I have rarely seen more idiocy in a single topic.
The new font went on Sisi a LONG time ago. You choosing now to complain about it now instead of after CCP asked for FEEDBACK when it went on the test server instantly invalidates your arguement.
CCP keep the new font. It is fine.
Couple weeks =/= a LONG time. |

Zifrian
Deep Space Innovations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:22:00 -
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Miss President wrote:The new font is such a step backwards towards the stone age.
I can understand this type of font development when first computers where just invented, but we live 2011 with technology, graphics, interfaces advancing in a very fast pace - each time creating something beautiful and genius, but this font is not it - and totally out of pace.
Looking at this font for the first time I'm thinking "IS THIS A JOKE?"
Font scale in menues, in local window, in right click bookmarks is different everywhere, each time requiring visual re-adjustment.
Font Expert's first priority should be user friendliness and usability - font should scale and be readable in many sizes.
The biggest problem is each area you look at requires visual readjustment, this font is not user friendly - it's hostile.
I think CCP should immediately roll back to old fonts, and let their font expert finish the work on the test server.
I rate this font 1 on a scale of 10.
Old font I'd rate 7 on a scale of 10.
Yeah, I get a very "amateurish" feel to the game now. Might sound stupid but I don't even like the new nebula backgrounds. They aren't very smooth and look poor in quality. The font makes it even worse. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! https://sourceforge.net/projects/eveiph/ |
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