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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:24:00 -
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Font is not unreadable
Font is ugly
in 100% its ugly in 90% its ok but chat tabs are ugly chat tabs don't scale with the context box point size (rather they don't have their own control)
impossible to strike a balance
2880x900 (2 x 1440x900) full screen The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Markis Silvairi
Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:26:00 -
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How can you have spreadsheets online with no text options? :p |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
438
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:27:00 -
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Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.
Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space). 90% scaling makes things like your gun icon's ammo count numbers look like ****. Yep... Like I said - that is one of the side effects of this. The root cause is that the default font size was increased making many windows little bigger. Default font should have been same size than the old font keeping old windows intact. Scaling should have been used only to make standard windows together with the standard font bigger. Anyways... 90% + small font in overview makes the thing usable. You can always hover over stacks to get some clarification about the amounts in them. "Excellence" Yep... they were in horrible hurry and certain decisions may seem rather odd afterwards. This one mentioned above was probably because they didn't know that they are going to scale the windows when the new default font size was decided. When they finally noticed the problems that appeared when scaling downwards, it was way too late to fix the damage.
To clarifly - the scaling was pretty much added in epic rush as an extra feature because so many people were unable to get their space UI to fit all the windows as pre-crucible.
We can only hope that this among with some other issues will be looked into again with better time in near future.
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Psychophantic
157
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:28:00 -
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A fixed width font would look good in a game that involves you looking at multiple columns of numbers. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
438
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:30:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:A fixed width font would look good in a game that involves you looking at multiple columns of numbers.
Yes I agree. Not having fixed width numbers is one of the "other issues".
edit: Actually this seems to be fixed in latest release. Didn't even notice because wasn't doing any marketing yesterday. Wonderful. Fixed width numbers are there. Another great fix.
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Flex Carter
Caldari Independant Mining Association
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:34:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Font is not unreadable
Font is ugly
in 100% its ugly in 90% its ok but chat tabs are ugly chat tabs don't scale with the context box point size (rather they don't have their own control)
impossible to strike a balance
2880x900 (2 x 1440x900) full screen
Has your character looked in the mirror lately? ...I'm sorry. I read your post, saw your avatar and suddenly my keyboard was clicking away. |
Lumadane
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:40:00 -
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This is just my opinion, but the new font is terrible. My ammo counters are hardly readable now at 1920x1080 resolution on a 24" monitor. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
478
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:44:00 -
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Budrick3 wrote:Hazzard wrote:The font is ok but it doesn't scale. On a 30" monitor or greater it looks like it was created for the elderly. After UI scaling it's better but then it bleeds into other characters badly. Needs to scale better. Yes, I have a 37' monitor, and I feel like i am in an old folks home. LOL I can read "You have been Warp scrambled" from my kitchen as I beg my wife to make something.
No you don't.
You have a 37" TV without a tuner that you call a monitor. It has worse resolution than a proper 22" monitor so of course it looks like a old folks UI.
Because it's crap!
On my 27" and 30" monitors the font is just fine. Mind you I have a proper native resolution on them not 720 or1080 TV resolutions.
Get a real monitor and then come back and complain and maybe someone will take you seriously.
Mr Epeen
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
bonoMonsterK
Dark Shadows X
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:48:00 -
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I would like to add that new font on resolution 1152x864 looks absolutely ridiculously , I feel like 80 year old . Font is big and ugly and after setting UI to 90% its even worse . I rly don't understand what was wrong with old font , I had not a single problem in 6 years.
I just hope u guys will do something about this madness, because u have to see that it's ugly^2 . |
Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
71
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:50:00 -
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The new font has a whiff of Comic Sans over it, it doesn't look "industrial" enough to fit within EVE imo. It's nicely readable and all that but there are some scaling issues with windows and columns. I'm sure after a while it'll grow on me but I do think it looks very out of place in a scifi spaceship game that takes itself seriously. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it. |
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The Marketer
Secure IT
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:01:00 -
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Forcing a font is so dumb idea.
In 2012 (almost) let us choose such thing. Most of us have large screens. Forcing us to stretch windows when large screen usually helps us deal with more but smaller windows is a TERRIBLE idea.
Come on.... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1766
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:03:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Posted it in the other thread, this is the font they should have used, but I know too many people would QQ over it... http://www.ffonts.net/Bank-Gothic-Light-BT.fontI use this for every part of windows whenever I set up a new machine, have for the last 10 years or so. I love it. It's not a good font. There is no proper distinction between capital and lower-case letters aside from size. Proper lower-case letters are far easier to read than upper-case ones (more distinguishing cues, so less information needed to process, so quicker to read). It also falls into the same trap as the old font, with very little or even no distinction between similarly shaped glyphs (O0, B8, 5S), which gets increasingly worse at lower sizes.
It looks neat, but is horrid for readability.
Vin Ott wrote:How come ccp decided to change the font? Because it was a bad one and people have been clamouring for a change for many years now. The old one was far from perfect and had a huge number of readability issues. It didn't react well to being resized and offered zero differentiation between glyphs. You would have had to be blind not to notice these problems.
Vachir Khan wrote:The new font has a whiff of Comic Sans over it, it doesn't look "industrial" enough to fit within EVE imo. It looks like a terminal font, which is about as (retro)futuristic as it getsGǪ
At 2560+ù1440 / 90% scaling, the font is still completely readable in spite of the small size; for small resolutions and or long distances to the monitor, you can mix scaling and font size to match your needs. The old font was horrible at all resolutions and didn't offer any options to fix it. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
31
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:05:00 -
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I guess what most of us would like to hear is this isn't the final result, and they are working to improve it asap. Those of us effected by this font, who are subject to the very real headaches it gives.. proberly would like to also hear it will be fixed before summer, not just soon... :p i love eve too much to quit over a stupid font...
Main problems, its too big... its too wide, it doesn't even fit in the ui as you say it does (look at ammo number under guns), its forcing the ui to actually have less space than before unless you scale by 90%.
Old font had few letters and numbers that were hard to tell apart, but this is kinda worse until you make it scale better :p... just acknowledge you see the problems we are shoving in your faces, and you plan to improve it :D and im sure many of us will be happy |
Internet Knight
The Kobayashi Maru RONA Directorate
9
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:06:00 -
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Hammez Coopez wrote:Why, Oh Why have they messed with the Fonts. Couldnt find the default Font Check Box.
hmmmmmmm
Can't find the reason your capitalization is random.
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Lexa Hellfury
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
12
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:06:00 -
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Congratulations CCP on finding the only font in the universe shittier than the old one. |
Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
71
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vachir Khan wrote:The new font has a whiff of Comic Sans over it, it doesn't look "industrial" enough to fit within EVE imo. It looks like a terminal font, which is about as (retro)futuristic as it getsGǪ
You can give it any name you like but that doesn't change the fact that it looks out of place in EVE. It's too cartoony and doesn't mesh well with the "spreadsheet" look of the game itself.
Personally I never had any problems with the old font (mostly because I don't have a ****** monitor and I don't jack it up to silly resolutions) but I will agree that the font could use a change, this however is not a good change.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it. |
The Marketer
Secure IT
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:10:00 -
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Lexa Hellfury wrote:Congratulations CCP on finding the only font in the universe shittier than the old one.
Nice one |
Talthrus
EdgeGamers Situation: Normal
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:10:00 -
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I am finding the numbers particularly hard to read. Everything is bigger but the text certainly isn't easier to read. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
171
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:11:00 -
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Internet Knight wrote:Hammez Coopez wrote:Why, Oh Why have they messed with the Fonts. Couldnt find the default Font Check Box.
hmmmmmmm
Can't find the reason your capitalization is random.
It is more readable than CCP's new font. The new font is terrible.
CCP Punkturis is the worst Dev.-á Fix the font or you will be the 21st percent. |
Amber Green Thorn
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:12:00 -
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Vachir Khan wrote:Tippia wrote:Vachir Khan wrote:The new font has a whiff of Comic Sans over it, it doesn't look "industrial" enough to fit within EVE imo. It looks like a terminal font, which is about as (retro)futuristic as it getsGǪ You can give it any name you like but that doesn't change the fact that it looks out of place in EVE. It's too cartoony and doesn't mesh well with the "spreadsheet" look of the game itself. Personally I never had any problems with the old font (mostly because I don't have a ****** monitor and I don't jack it up to silly resolutions) but I will agree that the font could use a change, this however is not a good change.
Agree - It's not slick like what was the point of the old font. |
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Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
55
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:18:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:It is currently not possible to toggle between the new font and the old one. While we appreciate that this is something a lot of people are asking for, it simply cannot be done in the current font rendering system.
Then start working on a new font tbh. Scaled back to 90% it looks OK'ish (though terrible in window tabs as shrinks beyond readability and all CAPITALS was much better there). But scaling the font back to 90% leaves the icons in the overview AND SPACE all distorted. The final straw for me was looking at how many torps i had in my bomber only to see "1 132". I mean guys, start with the OLD FONT and rectify the couple of issues that people (other than me) had with it rather than introducing possibly the ugliest font in any game for the last 2 decades. Thanks.
On a different note, the nice anti-aliased map in system view looks absolutely ******* horrific. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1766
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:19:00 -
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Vachir Khan wrote:You can give it any name you like but that doesn't change the fact that it looks out of place in EVE. Fact? No. It is not a fact. It doesn't change your opinion that it doesn't fit EVE.
I think it looks retrofuturistic, and thus fit the EVE universe very nicely. It also focuses on numerical clarity, which meshes well with the spreadsheet part.
The old font had a number of issues that were inherent in the font and did not change with the resolution or the monitor GÇö it was just poorly designed to follow a logic of consistency. Consistency is not a good logic to use for things you need to distinguish from each other. It scores some aesthetic points, but loses at least as many points in functionality in the process. The old font was particularly horrid for numbers (again, see spreadsheet), which this new font solves nicely.
Amber Green Thorn wrote:Agree - It's not slick like what was the point of the old font. GǪand that was why the old font was such a bad choice for the various uses it was assigned to. What the font needs to do is be clear, at a large number of different sizes and resolutions. The new one is; the old one was not. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mymh Heretache
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
12
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:23:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Salpun wrote:E Wan wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Vaaron Remar wrote:I have great problems using the new UI/Font (screen resolution 1680 x 1050). The new font ist way better readable than the old one, yes BUT !!!: Setting UI scale to 100% and any icon looks good and everything ist scaled okay except the font in the menus, it's way too big. If I want to see more than 4 columns the overview-window takes easily 1/3 to 1/2 of the screen (font-size in settings changes as usual only context menu font size). Changing UI-size to 90% makes the overview-font more tolerable (but not good!) but buttons and column headers are so tiny you have to guess what's written there. The relation between UI-scale and font-size doesn't seem to fit. It's possible to change the font-size in chat-windows and in the context-menu why is it not possible in overview ??? It's one, if not THE most important window in the game. It has lots of useful columns you want to have at hand in fight but showing them in a reasonable way without blocking the whole screen isn't possible anymore. Hope there will be some fix soon There's an option in the overview settings to use small font Is there such an option for all UI windows? Not yet but might be added later. keep asking for it Nope, just added for the overview because as that fine man said, it's one of the most important window in the game and some people display more columns than others there
That doesn't help the problem. Look at my UI for example: http://i.imgur.com/M8T1N.jpg
* The rightclick menu in space is too small * The name of players, locations and distances/velocity is too big, in overview, scanner and local * Market and drone text is way too big * The Route-text is MASSIVE and blocking a big chunk of the window * tab-names (chatbox names, tabs in market, overview, scanner etc) is always small
I scaled down UI to 90% just so my overview could fit the colums I "must have". There's even two colums outside visibility that I regulary use there, I pull my overview further right when I need transversal + tag colums. With 90% UI there's a bunch of things that gets too small, like rightclick menu etc, while other things *still* are big, like scanner, market, overview, etc.
TL;DR you guys need to make sure texts are more consistent in size. If players like or dislike the font doesn't really matter at this point, since you have completely broke the game for everyone that utilizes the overview, scanner and/or market. It only really works for running missions right now. When you have sorted the wide/spacing font, and scaled the sizes to be more consistent, then we can discuss whether the new font is aesteticly correct or not.. but right now it's completely gamebreaking.
Until this gets fixed it'll be zero PvP, either in space or on market, for me/alts, and my corp members. We'll just have to focus on shooting NPC's for now.
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Psychophantic
157
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote: What the font needs to do is be clear, at a large number of different sizes and resolutions. The new one is; the old one was not.
Old font + UI scaling = ?
All I want is the OPTION to use the old font.
You like the new font, fine, good for you, keep on arguing as to why it's so much better than the old one.
I like the old font. I don't want the new font removed. I don't want the old font removed. Give me a choice.
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Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
55
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vachir Khan wrote:You can give it any name you like but that doesn't change the fact that it looks out of place in EVE. Fact? No. It is not a fact. It doesn't change your opinion that it doesn't fit EVE. I think it looks retrofuturistic, and thus fit the EVE universe very nicely. It also focuses on numerical clarity, which meshes well with the spreadsheet part. The old font had a number of issues that were inherent in the font and did not change with the resolution or the monitor GÇö it was just poorly designed to follow a logic of consistency. Consistency is not a good logic to use for things you need to distinguish from each other. It scores some aesthetic points, but loses at least as many points in functionality in the process. The old font was particularly horrid for numbers (again, see spreadsheet), which this new font solves nicely. Amber Green Thorn wrote:Agree - It's not slick like what was the point of the old font. GǪand that was why the old font was such a bad choice for the various uses it was assigned to. What the font needs to do is be clear, at a large number of different sizes and resolutions. The new one is; the old one was not.
I know you dont ever get bored of stating the same thing over and over again. The new font is not as good as the old one, even if the old one wasnt perfect it didnt break thinks like icons in space and on overview to be half-decent (90% scaled). Fact.
Your opinion that this isnt a fact isnt even remotely interesting, and the first 10 times you said it were enough. |
Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
10
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:30:00 -
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Down with slashes through our zeros! |
Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
71
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vachir Khan wrote:You can give it any name you like but that doesn't change the fact that it looks out of place in EVE. Fact? No. It is not a fact. It doesn't change your opinion that it doesn't fit EVE. I think it looks retrofuturistic, and thus fit the EVE universe very nicely.
So you tell me it's not a fact but an opinion and then you use your own opinion as a basis to say I'm wrong? The font looks looks out of place; it's too big, draws way too much attention to itself and stands out like a sore thumb. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it. |
Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
55
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:31:00 -
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Templar Dane wrote:Down with slashes through our zeros!
Oh yes... I thought they were 8's lol. Nvm. |
Mystic5hadow
Koku Uchu Security
126
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:39:00 -
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Oh look, another case where CCP listened to all the whiners on the forums and changed something to what they wanted, only to discover "OH GEE GOLLY GEE, NOT EVERYBODY THAT PLAYS EVE IS A WHINER ON THE FORUMS." and most people were perfectly happy with what we had. But, now those people that were happy are on the forums whining about the change.
Nothing ever changes with you folks. Stay classy you bunch of manchildren :/ |
Amber Green Thorn
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:40:00 -
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Quote:GǪand that was why the old font was such a bad choice for the various uses it was assigned to. What the font needs to do is be clear, at a large number of different sizes and resolutions. The new one is; the old one was not.
So wrong - using multiple similarly sized fonts together in any form of media, whether in print or on a computer screen is a fundamental mistake. Adding bold and normal to the mix makes it worse. I once studied typography and that was one of 'the rules'. Go look at some crap websites and you'll soon get the drift.
I'm sure CCP will fix this - the font itself I think looks too girly but scaled to 90% and made more readable (fixing also the headers) then sweet! |
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