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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:20:00 -
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Archa4 Badasaz wrote:I hate this Font big time. I don't know what it is, but my eyes just hurt, if i look at it for more then 10sec... Why can't there be an option to choose atleast new or old font?
Or if it not possible to make this option - just make a vote on forum keep the new font or get the old one back...
yep -- i'd like to see this one ;)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1766
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:20:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:It's quite readable at pretty much every size unless you're going down to 7pt or smaller, then most fonts aren't readable anyways. The B and the 8 are perfectly distinguishable at 8pt, the 5 and the S are perfectly distinguishable at 8pt. No distinguishing between upper and lower case, just makes it clearer what it is you're reading. The only issue with the font is the zero looks just like the letter O, but other than that, every letter and number is distinguishable from one another. The lack of upper and lower case differentiation is bad. There's a reason we have lower-case letters, and that's because they are much easier to read and to distinguish than the upper-case ones. All-caps does not make it clearer what you're reading GÇö it makes it less clear and requires more effort.
As for the letter/number differentiation, ok, fine, maybe. That will come down to the font rendering, but it is still built around the same kind of GÇ£consistent base shapeGÇ¥ as the old font and is therefore subject to the same issues of losing the defining differences at smaller sizes. The ones mentioned are those that immediately pop out as being particularly risky.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Billy Colorado
Agony Unleashed
12
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:20:00 -
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@Ris Dnalor I can't wait 'till you quit.
@CCP Thank you for the new font. I didn't realize I hated the old one until you presented me with this. Another small thing in the heap of win that is Crucible. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:21:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Nalia White wrote:pls add at least an option to choose or if that's not possible change it back, ty.
you don't see decimals at all and everything looks like ms-dos 20 years ago... Yes. Please CCP, add options. 1. New font 2. Old font principle is the same as with ship spinning. 1. Ship spinning 2. Captain quarters.
great idea. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:22:00 -
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A message for the times....
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Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
55
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:22:00 -
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I didnt say i couldnt recreate it. I just said that to do so i would end up with distorted icons, a compromise. Also, text in window tabs, ammo counters and various other places becomes too small and horrible to read.
http://clip2net.com/s/1mmgY
Just swapping to 100% scaling ONLY fixes the icons, but gives me far less space to work with than the old UI hence the overlapping windows here. Also the text becomes even uglier. I for one cant remember a single issue with reading the old font.
http://clip2net.com/s/1mmhu
There were some legitimate gripes for nullsec system names but fixing a few characters would have been all it took.
Oh, and a final word on ad hom. attacking an attribute of a person that could relate to the argument by definition is no ad hom. For example, how you play the game influences what you think of the game as per me saying you dont undock, hence no ad hom. Me saying that you are somehow autistic because you are compulsively contrarian isnt an ad hom since again the accusation is relevant to the conclusion i was making.
Legitimate examples of ad homs from wiki: "What would Mary know about fixing cars? She is a woman."
Now if that was ""What would Mary know about fixing cars? Shes never been near one." that would not be an ad hom and is more akin to what i said to you.
Seriously, i know its hard but its not THAT complicated. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:24:00 -
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Ohanka wrote:New font makes the game freakin unplayable, and it reset my bloody UI, now i have to reorganise the UI completely, yeah, thanks CCP, for an unreadable font and a reset UI.
Unacceptable.
I agree completely.
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Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
9
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:25:00 -
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I for one love the new font, I can finally read the text easily \o/ +welcome to my world+ http://venomzer0.deviantart.com |
Hiryu Jin
noXCorp Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
5
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:25:00 -
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I actually had to stop playing. The new font gave me a massive headache. I don't know if it's the font itself, or maybe just not used to it, but I couldn't take it anymore and closed the game.
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:25:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Vaaron Remar wrote:I have great problems using the new UI/Font (screen resolution 1680 x 1050). The new font ist way better readable than the old one, yes BUT !!!: Setting UI scale to 100% and any icon looks good and everything ist scaled okay except the font in the menus, it's way too big. If I want to see more than 4 columns the overview-window takes easily 1/3 to 1/2 of the screen (font-size in settings changes as usual only context menu font size). Changing UI-size to 90% makes the overview-font more tolerable (but not good!) but buttons and column headers are so tiny you have to guess what's written there. The relation between UI-scale and font-size doesn't seem to fit. It's possible to change the font-size in chat-windows and in the context-menu why is it not possible in overview ??? It's one, if not THE most important window in the game. It has lots of useful columns you want to have at hand in fight but showing them in a reasonable way without blocking the whole screen isn't possible anymore. Hope there will be some fix soon There's an option in the overview settings to use small font
did you even read his post? I'll highlight the parts that make your answer look like an idiot wrote it. |
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Billy Colorado
Agony Unleashed
12
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:27:00 -
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Hold steady, CCP. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:29:00 -
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Dinta Zembo wrote:Just give us the option to choose one of the fonts and everybody is happy! Is it THAT hard to build in?
who cares how hard it is, just do it.
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Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:29:00 -
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Hiryu Jin wrote:I actually had to stop playing. The new font gave me a massive headache. I don't know if it's the font itself, or maybe just not used to it, but I couldn't take it anymore and closed the game.
Yes it's very uneasy on the eyes, can't really say why. It's as if it's all crying for attention making it very difficult to focus on the bit you actually want to read. That's apart from the size/UI issue which I do have problems with as well.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:32:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:It's like ship spinning all over again.
As predicted.
aye, many people tried to tell CCP. They just can't figure some things out it seems like.
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:33:00 -
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Nalia White wrote:Psychophantic wrote:It's like ship spinning all over again.
As predicted. it's a drastic change, but they found the perfect solution with ship spinning even that doesn't impair the gameplay as much as the new font. just have both possibilities... :)
I can only hope they figure out the same answer here. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
31
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:33:00 -
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Zoe Alarhun wrote:Poor CCP. They get yelled at for old font. They change it, allowing player feedback every step of the way. Font goes live. They get yelled at again.
Seriously people ?
Actually plenty of people told them before they released it that it was bad :) personly, I like the font style, I only dislike the spaceing, size, and headache that results, (and it being too wide) |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:34:00 -
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Mila Iijima wrote:Mostly i don't complain about a thing, because mostly i will adapt. But serious, give us options, i really hate this font, i tried scaling ui to 90% but thats terrible for me, and font size to 9 well it still hurts. Isn't there any solution to change the font back ? or make a new system for multiple fonts ? old and new one. About the rest, it looks so much cooler so keep up the good work [Mariah carey - all i want for christmas] All i want for christmas is, seriously a new font. Any change if we go on with complaining about the font, you will change it ? i really don't care if you make a new system with both, but i want the old back. I'l trade you the old font for a box of Smirnoff ? - Mila
I will buy 10 PLEX with RL cash and trash them if they replace the font --- free money for CCP. |
Billy Colorado
Agony Unleashed
12
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:34:00 -
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Ris, you are a tidal wave of tantrum.
What do you LIKE about Crucible. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:35:00 -
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BigDaddyMcFatSacks wrote:New font sucks.
Why do you fix things that arent broken?
you say true, Sai.
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:36:00 -
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Phoebus Raszamar wrote:Sadly, I'd have to agree.. I find all these new additions that came with the patch as super, but this font truly is unbearable. RiotRick wrote: The spacing of text in certain areas -- In some elements there is just too little room around the text. See for example the augmentations tab in the character sheet . Or the number of people in a chat channel: Corp [123]. The spacing looks goofy there. Just like the numbers of stacked items in the hangar. And there are a lot more places where this weird look exists. Nalia White wrote:now i live also in the philosophy "function before looks" but i find this new font to be both: bad looking AND worse to read... Vin Ott wrote: the old one was perfect no problems reading of any kind, if you did you should've bought reading glasses or what ever.
Although, as much as we whine, nothing will probably be done to cater to our (the minority's) needs. What I've suspected from my initial weeks of playing this game (and from my participation within the forums) manifested with the introduction of this change: this game is directed towards the blind - old and pretentious - geezers. Not as futuristic as I envisioned this game to be, sorry.
The new font distracts me from enjoying eve...
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:37:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Like to jump on the "I don't like this Font" wagon as well.
Why did it change?
they broke something big to fix something small.... |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:39:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Wow I have rarely seen more idiocy in a single topic.
The new font went on Sisi a LONG time ago. You choosing now to complain about it now instead of after CCP asked for FEEDBACK when it went on the test server instantly invalidates your arguement.
CCP keep the new font. It is fine.
we complained on General Discussion. -- complaints got hidden by being moved to Test Server Feedback
complaints were ignored, brushed off as silly.
We did speak up.
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:39:00 -
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BondGamer wrote:I played games 15 years ago that let you select the font you want to see. Why is it impossible for a 2011 MMO to have some options?
it is possible. They did it with ship spin.
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:40:00 -
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Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:flank steak wrote:wow you have known this was coming out for about a month and you choose today to complain about it? Seriously forum warriors? Agreed. People have had the option to see the new font for a long time. They asked for feedback before it went live for a reason. QFT. From both of you. People have complained since it was first released. CCP didn't care because they are "Fearless".
CCP ignores what we say and listens to what we do, right?
unsubbing 2nd account tonight. First will follow if it doesn't change.
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:41:00 -
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Rhastafan wrote:First thing I noticed after the patch was the horrible new font; I had a stack of 66 ships and the "66" was so blurry I could not read it; in fact all stack quantity numbers are mostly illegible. Also on headings when there is number followed by a right bracket, the bracket is much too close to the number. So after spending most of my gametime trying to figure out how to reset back to the old font I come to these forums and discover that there is no way to change back to the old font. I am entirely confused by those posting that the new font is better and clearer; at first I thought they were clearly being sarcastic but I am starting to think maybe for some the new font is actually better, but for me it is so much worse and so completely illegible in many situations that I am at a loss for words. Don't get me wrong, I think the old font sucked and needed to be replaced, I just find it astonishing that it was replaced with an even worse font. Sign me up on the petition to change back to the old font. New font is sooo bad, I am looking at an 8 and the top circle is larger than the bottom one On a related note is there a way to change the font for the forums? It seems to have the same or similar font as is ingame. I never used the test server and never read any reference to the font being slated for change so this all came as quite a shock to find that they changed it to something so bad without giving the option to change back. 1600x1200 is my resolution of choice and I use a 19" CRT monitor with a flat aperture grille.
new font is crap font |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1766
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:41:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:I didnt say i couldnt recreate it. I just said that to do so i would end up with distorted icons, a compromise. Also, text in window tabs, ammo counters and various other places becomes too small and horrible to read. http://clip2net.com/s/1mmgY Ok. If you say soGǪ I don't see that as Gǣtoo small and horrible to readGǥ. You're getting, what? 90:ish PPI on your display, which is at least in the ballpark (actually slightly bigger pixels) of the 108 I get. So of the two of us, I should be the one who's having a hard time with those numbers, and the simple fact is that I don't.
Yes, we're deep into subjective territory here, but it's not as clear-cut as you make it out to be. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:41:00 -
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Ryas Nia wrote:Sadly the new font is next to impossible to read for me :( I am really struggling to find a clear way to explain it but something about my dyslexia makes it so i have to work out every word character by character rather than being able to quickly look at the word and recognize it.
Anti-aliased fonts would be handy as it would soften the edges making each character more distinct, if I cant have the old font back or toggle between them, maybe we can add that without much effort. I could also really use some Kern spacing control as many of the characters seem to be stuck together making reading even harder. Again maybe that is something that can be added without lots of overhead.
Overall, font is worse for me :(
I hate the new font as well.
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:41:00 -
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Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.
Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space). 90% scaling makes things like your gun icon's ammo count numbers look like ****.
this
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:42:00 -
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Miss President wrote:The new font is such a step backwards towards the stone age.
I can understand this type of font development when first computers where just invented, but we live 2011 with technology, graphics, interfaces advancing in a very fast pace - each time creating something beautiful and genius, but this font is not it - and totally out of pace.
Looking at this font for the first time I'm thinking "IS THIS A JOKE?"
Font scale in menues, in local window, in right click bookmarks is different everywhere, each time requiring visual re-adjustment.
Font Expert's first priority should be user friendliness and usability - font should scale and be readable in many sizes.
The biggest problem is each area you look at requires visual readjustment, this font is not user friendly - it's hostile.
I think CCP should immediately roll back to old fonts, and let their font expert finish the work on the test server.
I rate this font 1 on a scale of 10.
Old font I'd rate 7 on a scale of 10.
yes new font broke far more than it fixed!
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Zarutha
The Night Crew The Night Crew Alliance
32
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:42:00 -
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I don't like change just as much as the next Eve player, but I think im going to wait a few days before condemning it. I might learn to love it.
I am really happy I don't need to wear my glasses.
I used to tell people who asked me what Eve was like - "Its a hard game . . . to read!" |
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