Allow us to change back to the older one.

this new font is terrible...

wow you have known this was coming out for about a month and you choose today to complain about it? Seriously forum warriors?

New font is fine. ******* whiners, you know where the door is..

i no longer need to wear my glasses to read the UI.

The font is ok but it doesn't scale. On a 30" monitor or greater it looks like it was created for the elderly. After UI scaling it's better but then it bleeds into other characters badly. Needs to scale better.

It is currently not possible to toggle between the new font and the old one. While we appreciate that this is something a lot of people are asking for, it simply cannot be done in the current font rendering system.

New font is a million times better than the old one, it's crisp, legible and very easy on the eyes.

New font is fine. ******* whiners, you know where the door is..

Comments about how this looks "on your machine" would be a LOT more useful if you would care to take a moment to mention what hardware and graphics settings you are using.

It is currently not possible to toggle between the new font and the old one. While we appreciate that this is something a lot of people are asking for, it simply cannot be done in the current font rendering system.

This is how it looks on my rig at 1920x1080, high graphics, but no AA, with a UI scale of 110%: http://i.imgur.com/W4JpI.png
I use a 23,6" LED monitor and the size is just right. I have perfect vision and do not require glasses.

Honestly I prefer the old font (as for the old font being unreadable, once or twice the I or l or the O or 0 threw you off, but there was hardly a problem outside of that). The new one is alright once you make it smaller (you know, the lowercase a near the upper left corner of a window instead of the option in the esc menu) but overall it feels outdated and like a step backwards. It'll be fine after a while and people get used to it, but it'd be nice to have an option (or an option for users to use whatever font they have in their system's font folders)

Font wasn't really broken to begin with, could've been better, could've been worse, no real complaint.

I guess you guys need to take off your sunglasses or stop being drunk or smoking weed when you play

Seems most problems come from you GC settings because just like Archa looks great for me, much better than old one.

What the hell???
On mine it looks completely different:
1024x768, windowed, low graphics UI scale 100%
http://i.imgur.com/4PHAa.jpg

pls add at least an option to choose or if that's not possible change it back, ty.

you don't see decimals at all and everything looks like ms-dos 20 years ago...

Another problem:
what is with ammo indicator? how the hell is this better then the old one?

Most of things i read are the chat and reading in this font is really problematic...

IMG:
http://i.imgur.com/2yRG3.jpg

WTF are you on?
Now tell me here is no difference:
http://i.imgur.com/7Hh3a.jpg

The RMB menu i can read no problems, it's nice and wide.
But in the overview the letters are so condensed, that is very hard to read it.
My main problem with the font it's very condensed. I looks like the normal font was streched vertically...

WTF are you on?? Those are identical except for the 10% size difference.

I was talking about the picture you quoted, which had the identical font to your overview (increased by 10%).

Give it a couple of days, you'll get used to it and wonder how you were ever able to live with the old font. And then CCP will change it again.

So made it possible. Dont you have any programmers?

As a graphic designer I'd just like to say:

Thank you CCP, this font is incredible. Can i get an address to which I can send congratulatory cookies for a job well done?

I have to post in there.
font size/stile mess

http://i.imgur.com/KtYyQ.jpg

And now You tell me, which one is easier to read. I manually changed size of font in chat window, now it looks very, very nice. But every other window - crap...

I have great problems using the new UI/Font (screen resolution 1680 x 1050).

The new font ist way better readable than the old one, yes BUT !!!:

Setting UI scale to 100% and any icon looks good and everything ist scaled okay except the font in the menus, it's way too big.
If I want to see more than 4 columns the overview-window takes easily 1/3 to 1/2 of the screen (font-size in settings changes as usual only context menu font size). Changing UI-size to 90% makes the overview-font more tolerable (but not good!) but buttons and column headers are so tiny you have to guess what's written there. The relation between UI-scale and font-size doesn't seem to fit. It's possible to change the font-size in chat-windows and in the context-menu why is it not possible in overview ??? It's one, if not THE most important window in the game. It has lots of useful columns you want to have at hand in fight but showing them in a reasonable way without blocking the whole screen isn't possible anymore.

Hope there will be some fix soon

Guys don't be so selfish!

You have huge resolutions/big screens and we totally understand that this font is breakthrough for your eyes, but feel with people that are using something that is smaller in size! I can't even fit names in chat windows anymore! Not to mention already heavily narrowed PVP screen with all windows on (overview, select window, drones, targets, intel, fleet, fleet chat, local, gague... )

Please, just help them resolve for good of all.

There's an option in the overview settings to use small font

Is there such an option for all UI windows?

Is there such an option for all UI windows?

Even though I know the change might be awful for some people, my 23 Inches LCD at 1920 over 3 feet from my leather couch and hence me say Thanx, I can finally read. No more squinting. I just hope this new font enables people to add diff types of it to the whole UI instead of just the new one. I for one would love ol'trusty arial to the ui.

Not yet but might be added later.
keep asking for it

No, this is quite possibly the worst decision CCP has made. The old font was fine. if you had difficulty reading it maybe you need glasses or somthing.

Mate, no one says that change is awful, it's not playable on 15"... that is 8" diagonally smaller then your screen. With font like this, there is barely screen left to play or see new effect of warp/mwd etc...

The font is fine... People forget the reason for the font change and that is to increase scalability of the game itself.

As a player who plays eve on a very large TV, the old font was unreadable at best. I would have to get 3 inches from the screen in order to vaguely make anything readable.

On my TV i set my UI scaling to 110% and it works perfect, while on my monitor I set it to 90% and it looks okay. Now I would however like to get the fonts even smaller on my monitors (non TV's) so having an 80 and 75% UI scale would be a good thing.

But in really the whole 'i hate this font!' is nothing new, we've hated the old font for years and now you hate the new font. CCP will never be able to cater to everyone, nor should they. With this patch the new font is all about UI scalability, and that functionality works surprisingly well. So great job on that CCP - much appreciated.

For all you whiners out there, scale your UI down to 90% and if the chat fonts are still too large click the a- button on your chat windows to reduce the size and it looks great. That is until CCP implements or decides if they implement different scalability options.

If that doesn't work for you and you still want to act like stupid insolent children feel free to visit the account management page and cancel your subscriptions and never play EVE again. Honestly, no one will miss you and your disappearance from the game will only make EVE a better world for the rest of us.

Thus far, great job on the patch CCP! Excited to see more of this new side from you, hope it continues in this positive way for many patches to come!!

oh yes it is.

As a graphic designer you should take care of each and every customer.

Also you should know that letter spacing should be same no matter what size.

Unbelievable comments... no one hates new font! It is a good thing, but for some people. For others game is not usable! How can't you understand this before answering? Can you hook up with 15" screen and see what we are all talking about. Lower resolution to approx 1200 or 1300 pixels width and see what we are talking.

Of course if you not using EVE as a chat application only this is a good change.

first of all as a graphic designer you should know your audience, and if the audience you're delivering information to is 300,000+ individuals who play a graphically intensive video game in 2011, you're not going to be designing for a 15'' macbook. This font solution has immensly fewer legibility issues for a far larger portion of the people playing this game.




i really lolled at this. where did you learn this little "fact"? because that's definitely not the case. letters occupy space differently and interact with the characters next to them differnetly, spacing every character the same looks awkward and hinders legibility.

so in conclusion, you're a ******* ninnie.

Nope, just added for the overview because as that fine man said, it's one of the most important window in the game and some people display more columns than others there

So no one hates the font? What about all the posts and messages in game stating 'I hate this new font!'?

Also, if you have a 15 inch screen you need to seriously rethink owning a computer at all. If you own a 15 inch screen tell your mommy to take you to best buy and get at least a 20 inch screen for 100 dollars...

And last but not least, if you're paying 15 dollars a month to use eve as a chat program you may as well sign up on eharmony instead. or better yet, facebook is free!

There's an option in the overview settings to use small font

@Punkturis can you show me a screenshot? I am blinded by the new font and I cannot see this option ;-)

So now "butter bei die fische" I don't like the new font. it hurts in my eyes. after I start the game for the first time after the patch it was like a burning hot needle stich in my eye.

I don't understand what is so difficult to implement an option for font changing? or at least to change the size!
The font size in the contex menue you can change but not for the UI font. That's not consequent!

Now I tried it several times but I don't get familiar with this new font too big and hard-edged. It's unplayable.

I want back the old font or at least the option to change the font.

Old Font: Crisp Clear fitted game well. 0O S5 1I B8 etc etc too similar to allow free flowing reading of system names or anomoly index etc

New Font: Cartoony, does not scale well. but very readable.

To the people saying: "what was the issue with the old font?" SIGH:


its a big issue

lots of people hated the old font

I'm not going to talk about this with you any further because you are not in the 2011 year when everything is going handheld and portable. If you see this as OK letter spacing i feel sorry for your clients -> Wallet Spacing ... Also you should try to narrow down font in chat with their tool and see how font reacts.

Anyway... new font is a huge problem for a lot of people, it might be a lot better and good for some, maybe even for most of the subscribers but it's making a lot of people not able to play.

As a matter of fact it seems that you are still to young to know what you are writing about and you really should not post to these forums and make real issues look funny and insulting which is by the way against EULA.

As others have stated, the old EVE font was fundamentally flawed. This became very, very evident in Null or WH space where determining your system name/designation was well nigh impossible in many cases.

Drag the system name from top left into your chat. There you go. No more need to read the name.

Yes, I am too young to know what I am talking about yet I am not the one on a 15 inch screen now am I? The font is only an issue if you are too dimwitted to understand UI scalability. The font is only an issue if you have a computer that is about as good as a paper weight.

But font aside, and your tiny monitor (I don't think I have had a 15 inch monitor since somewhere around 1990?).. if the font is really the only thing people have 'issues' with, wouldn't you call that a blazing success for CCP given their past performances with patches? Because I certainly would.

Takes too long and distracts from other activities; not compatible with TS/Vent.

oh wow this is just getting more and more hilarious. oh yes, they should have kept handheld devices in mind when designing hte new font, so many people are playing eve on their tablets, eve should really start moving in the direction of a flash game for download on the android app market. you're a complete tool.

the wallet spacing is actually pretty nice, with the old font i'd have to sit there and quadruple check how much money i was sending/receiving because the numbers were spaced far too close. the new wallet spacing has a nice rhythm that makes it extremely easy to know exactly how much of what is going where.

and just to reiterate: TOOL.

I presumed you missed the post where he said he was playing it on a 15" screen laptop?

I have size issues on my 19" non-widescreen, I've already posted that it makes all my windows quite a bit bigger, to the extent I have less information available.

Now CCP Punkturis told us about the "small font" setting for the overview at least that's tolerable (even it doesn't apply to my drone window), but all my other windows require that same option in order for me to play the game as easy as I did with the last font.

I think that's a valid complaint about the new font don't you?

(And no, I can't afford to replace a perfectly working screen at the moment before you say I, and others, should do just that).

I think the whole right click thing takes a lot longer than dragging and dropping (and 'distracts from other activities' just as much).

Not compatible with TS/Vent.. well I don't get this.. I normally link system names in channels anyway.

I think the whole right click thing takes a lot longer than dragging and dropping (and 'distracts from other activities' just as much).

Not compatible with TS/Vent.. well I don't get this.. I normally link system names in channels anyway.

Do you have your UI scaled down to 90%? I have multiple screens (8) on this machine and on my other machine I have 2. My other machine has a 20 inch wide. at 100% yes it's a bit big, at 90% it's a bit better. Though I would like to see it be a bit smaller so a 80 or 75% ui scalability option would be a good thing in this case. But it doesn't really make the game 'unplayable'

and you think people should take you serious when you throw insults left and right?

and btw. even the old font had ' at every thousand step (10'000'000'000) if you bothered to tab out of the textbox so your argument is invalid.

however. 2 options, old font, new font. everyone is happy. i can see the "rendering" making problems when taking different sizes and fonts into account. but just an option for this 2 settings. i would even restart my game for that :P

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/fontproblem.jpg

and now tell me what this number looks like to you? you don't even see the dot. it's such a strain for the eye to look at that number... and every inventory item is MUCH worse...

GÇ£Where are you?GÇ¥
GǣEhmGǪ 1S0GǪ no wait, I5OGǪ dammit, I'll link itGǥ [drag, drag, drag, chat latency, reading issues, comparison issues, getting shot while dragging, modules burning out from the overheating/overcycling]
GǣOookGǪ that must be the system next-doorGǪ hopefully [mutter, mutter, bloody n00b]Gǥ

why should i care what you think? if i've got a bone to pick with an idiot i'll tell them they're wrong, i'm not arguing for some prissy internet *****.



i fail to see how that "invalidates" my argument. the apostrophes were hardly legible, it took more than a quick glance to see exactly what number was being portrayed, and was a far cry from how readily visible the new style is.



it's ridiculous to ask for ccp to put back into their game an inferior feature, it cheapens it for the sake of some dumb ass who's not going to be happy either way.



if it was the old font, with it's 2 pixel apostrohpe, it would look like 1.7 million, however with it being much more clearly spaced and marked, it's pretty obvious that the slight lacking the decimal may have doesn't somehow trick you into thinking there are 5 numbers between apostrophes.

great whiteknighting for dumbasses though, love the entertainment.

dude, only because you say a is b it just isn't. everyone is entitled to his oppinion and I REALLY HAVE A ******* HARD TIME TO READ THIS **** WHERE PREVIOUSLY I COULD PLAY FOR HOURS WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT...

it may be ok for others but for me it's hard to go through 50+ market orders now and you even want to deny us the option to choose because it is "inferior" to you? man, how egocentric can a human beeing be? even for internet standards that's conscerning!

*nerdrage*

Soon I will have to wear glasses because of this UI.

I have a Dell U3011 30" at 2560x1600...

It's like ship spinning all over again.

As predicted.

I love the readable font.

Sure, it isnt pretty, but it is a hell of a lot more easy on the eyes...in fact I can reduce the font size and it is far more legible than the old one.

There's an option in the overview settings to use small font

running EvE on a 43 inch HDTV and a 40 inch HDTV, res on both is 1776 x 1000 (would be higher but the 40 inch doesnt like it!).

Under the old EvE I had to run at 1152 x 648 AND i had to adjust the font to widened 13.

New EvE I hit fullscreen, run at 100% and its perfectly readable.


Dont underestimate how nice it is to sit on my comfortable sofa at the other side of the room whilst dual boxing EvE on my TVs.

As far as im concerned job well done CCP.

ps: get out of the basement and loose the tiny little monitors, its 2011 ffs - the days of little towers parked next to desks with 20 odd inch monitors on them while you sit 50cm away are behind us.

Front Room HD EvE ftw.

It is currently not possible to toggle between the new font and the old one. While we appreciate that this is something a lot of people are asking for, it simply cannot be done in the current font rendering system.

first of all as a graphic designer you should know your audience, and if the audience you're delivering information to is 300,000+ individuals who play a graphically intensive video game in 2011, you're not going to be designing for a 15'' macbook. This font solution has immensly fewer legibility issues for a far larger portion of the people playing this game.

There was a font specialist who made the font. I didn't make it myself

We will of course do our best to address all issues that have been raised here (other than the "OMG THE FONT IS UGLY" and other alike).

There won't be a way to use the old font and there won't be a way to select fontsize. That's because it's hard to maintain that in a UI window, if you make the font larger, it's not going to fit there anymore. UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project.

The spacing of text in certain areas -- In some elements there is just too little room around the text. See for example the augmentations tab in the character sheet . Or the number of people in a chat channel: Corp [123]. The spacing looks goofy there. Just like the numbers of stacked items in the hangar. And there are a lot more places where this weird look exists.

now i live also in the philosophy "function before looks" but i find this new font to be both: bad looking AND worse to read...

the old one was perfect no problems reading of any kind, if you did you should've bought reading glasses or what ever.

How come ccp decided to change the font?

I never really got that, the old one was perfect no problems reading of any kind, if you did you should've bought reading classes or what ever.

This just doesn't make much sense screwing up Eve online even more!

Agreed. People have had the option to see the new font for a long time. They asked for feedback before it went live for a reason.

Wow I have rarely seen more idiocy in a single topic.

The new font went on Sisi a LONG time ago. You choosing now to complain about it now instead of after CCP asked for FEEDBACK when it went on the test server instantly invalidates your arguement.

CCP keep the new font. It is fine.

QFT. From both of you.

Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.

Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space).

90% scaling makes things like your gun icon's ammo count numbers look like ****.

Sadly the new font is next to impossible to read for me :( I am really struggling to find a clear way to explain it but something about my dyslexia makes it so i have to work out every word character by character rather than being able to quickly look at the word and recognize it.

Anti-aliased fonts would be handy as it would soften the edges making each character more distinct, if I cant have the old font back or toggle between them, maybe we can add that without much effort. I could also really use some Kern spacing control as many of the characters seem to be stuck together making reading even harder. Again maybe that is something that can be added without lots of overhead.

Overall, font is worse for me :(

Yep... Like I said - that is one of the side effects of this.

The root cause is that the default font size was increased making many windows little bigger. Default font should have been same size than the old font keeping old windows intact. Scaling should have been used only to make standard windows together with the standard font bigger.

Anyways... 90% + small font in overview makes the thing usable. You can always hover over stacks to get some clarification about the amounts in them.

Wow I have rarely seen more idiocy in a single topic.

The new font went on Sisi a LONG time ago. You choosing now to complain about it now instead of after CCP asked for FEEDBACK when it went on the test server instantly invalidates your arguement.

CCP keep the new font. It is fine.

The new font is such a step backwards towards the stone age.

I can understand this type of font development when first computers where just invented, but we live 2011 with technology, graphics, interfaces advancing in a very fast pace - each time creating something beautiful and genius, but this font is not it - and totally out of pace.

Looking at this font for the first time I'm thinking "IS THIS A JOKE?"

Font scale in menues, in local window, in right click bookmarks is different everywhere, each time requiring visual re-adjustment.

Font Expert's first priority should be user friendliness and usability - font should scale and be readable in many sizes.

The biggest problem is each area you look at requires visual readjustment, this font is not user friendly - it's hostile.

I think CCP should immediately roll back to old fonts, and let their font expert finish the work on the test server.

I rate this font 1 on a scale of 10.

Old font I'd rate 7 on a scale of 10.

"Excellence"

A fixed width font would look good in a game that involves you looking at multiple columns of numbers.

Font is not unreadable

Font is ugly

in 100% its ugly
in 90% its ok but chat tabs are ugly
chat tabs don't scale with the context box point size (rather they don't have their own control)

impossible to strike a balance

2880x900 (2 x 1440x900) full screen

Yes, I have a 37' monitor, and I feel like i am in an old folks home. LOL

I can read "You have been Warp scrambled" from my kitchen as I beg my wife to make something.

Posted it in the other thread, this is the font they should have used, but I know too many people would QQ over it...
http://www.ffonts.net/Bank-Gothic-Light-BT.font

I use this for every part of windows whenever I set up a new machine, have for the last 10 years or so. I love it.

How come ccp decided to change the font?

The new font has a whiff of Comic Sans over it, it doesn't look "industrial" enough to fit within EVE imo.

Why, Oh Why have they messed with the Fonts. Couldnt find the default Font Check Box.

hmmmmmmm

It looks like a terminal font, which is about as (retro)futuristic as it getsGǪ

Congratulations CCP on finding the only font in the universe shittier than the old one.

Can't find the reason your capitalization is random.

You can give it any name you like but that doesn't change the fact that it looks out of place in EVE. It's too cartoony and doesn't mesh well with the "spreadsheet" look of the game itself.

Personally I never had any problems with the old font (mostly because I don't have a ****** monitor and I don't jack it up to silly resolutions) but I will agree that the font could use a change, this however is not a good change.

It is currently not possible to toggle between the new font and the old one. While we appreciate that this is something a lot of people are asking for, it simply cannot be done in the current font rendering system.

You can give it any name you like but that doesn't change the fact that it looks out of place in EVE.

Agree - It's not slick like what was the point of the old font.

Nope, just added for the overview because as that fine man said, it's one of the most important window in the game and some people display more columns than others there

What the font needs to do is be clear, at a large number of different sizes and resolutions. The new one is; the old one was not.

Fact? No. It is not a fact.
It doesn't change your opinion that it doesn't fit EVE.

I think it looks retrofuturistic, and thus fit the EVE universe very nicely.
It also focuses on numerical clarity, which meshes well with the spreadsheet part.

The old font had a number of issues that were inherent in the font and did not change with the resolution or the monitor GÇö it was just poorly designed to follow a logic of consistency. Consistency is not a good logic to use for things you need to distinguish from each other. It scores some aesthetic points, but loses at least as many points in functionality in the process. The old font was particularly horrid for numbers (again, see spreadsheet), which this new font solves nicely.
GǪand that was why the old font was such a bad choice for the various uses it was assigned to. What the font needs to do is be clear, at a large number of different sizes and resolutions. The new one is; the old one was not.

Fact? No. It is not a fact.
It doesn't change your opinion that it doesn't fit EVE.

I think it looks retrofuturistic, and thus fit the EVE universe very nicely.

Down with slashes through our zeros!

GǪand that was why the old font was such a bad choice for the various uses it was assigned to. What the font needs to do is be clear, at a large number of different sizes and resolutions. The new one is; the old one was not.

Old font + UI scaling = ?

All I want is the OPTION to use the old font.

You like the new font, fine, good for you, keep on arguing as to why it's so much better than the old one.

The new font is not as good as the old one, even if the old one wasnt perfect it didnt break thinks like icons in space and on overview to be half-decent (90% scaled).

Neither does the new one. Just as much fact.

So you tell me it's not a fact but an opinion and then you use your own opinion as a basis to say I'm wrong?

The font looks looks out of place; it's too big, draws way too much attention to itself and stands out like a sore thumb.

[The problem with giving you the choice is that they most likely have to completely rewrite the windowing and UI element system to account for the different text flows and UI element positioning such an option will create.

GǪand the fact of the matter is that I think it's a good size; that it fits the theme quite nicely; and that it is no more or less subtle than any other font.

Thats where you are wrong again.

Scaling the font to 90% to make it look better and give me space back on my screen makes the icons for gates, stations, and everything else on the overview scale too. To repeat, scaling this font DISTORTS icons in space AND on overview.

The old fond didnt do that. Fact.