Pretty much all of whom would have no reason to continue to be renters after this change. NC.'s supercaps will be no particular threat to them. Sure, you can make an example of some, drop a supercap fleet and flip sov back . And then when you leave they just flip it back with a cruiser fleet, because they don't NEED caps to grind the HP now, just their magic laser.

The number of renters able to field and willing to welp a 30-man cruiser fleet to reclaim sov after you leave is MUCH higher than the number of renters who can both field and afford to lose a structure grinding fleet. Are you going to go blap every single one? With what? With who? How long until your supercap alts get bored of jumping 30 gates in order to blow up a 30 cruiser renter fleet? Not once a day, but four or five times a day because every renter and their multibox accounts can assemble a cruiser fleet to revolt. So you stop doing it in supercaps, and fly T3's because OMG WARP IS SLOW... only a 500 man T3/ishtar fleet is not the same kind of hammer that a 500 man supercap fleet is, and it STILL can't be everywhere at once. Oh, and while you were doing that, Brave came and flipped half your home systems in their Eagle fleets because they can.

And if you DON'T get bored doing that, great. More explosions for everyone!

The existing deterrent to sov conflict is structure grind, not supercaps. Supercaps were a deterrent to STRUCTURE GRIND, not sov conflict. If you remove structure grind, supercaps are short-circuited and stop being a deterrent to sov conflict. They will still be very useful for winning large strategic battles, but they do nothing to stop people from pecking away at your sov. ONLY active, live pilots in space during your prime time window will stop people from pecking away at your sov.

This is an unrealistic point of view here, basically a lack of understanding basic human nature. I've seen it before, the "if you just do X renters will rise up" thinking.

Won't happen, renting will still happen, because if renters were the general type to rise up, they wouldn't be renting in the 1st place. The game doesn't 'cause' behavior, it facilitates it.

This is also why CCPs past attempts to get people to 'do things' like leave high sec or fight each other more in null etc etc always fail. The people who will fight or leave high sec or whatever don't need any prodding, and the people who won't do those things can't be encouraged enough by 'rewards' to do so either. People bring a set of predispositions with them to the game, the game doesn't cause them.

Pretty much all of whom would have no reason to continue to be renters after this change.

The fact that the idea is dumb and will be a waste of time? Just because someone benefits from a situation doesn't mean that can't see what's wrong with it.

People rent because they don't have a supercap fleet to grind down structures or defend themselves when they get welped. The current sov mechanics vastly favors alliances with large capital fleets who are able to grind structures very quickly.

Yeah, that's right instead you will be paying protection ISk or you will have your SOV flipped every 2nd day and no way to fight back because NC. is still gone be stronger than your 10 man corp.

Please CCP make sure to avoid the TrollCeptor

I agree something stupid like this will happen:

Canaris:

Reactor Control Unit II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Entosis link thing


Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router I


or


Trolletto


Capacitor Power Relay II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN Microwarpdrive II
Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II (120km locking Range)

Entosis link Thing 250km

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router I

People rent because they don't have a supercap fleet to grind down structures or defend themselves when they get welped. The current sov mechanics vastly favors alliances with large capital fleets who are able to grind structures very quickly.

People rent because they don't have a supercap fleet to grind down structures or defend themselves when they get welped. The current sov mechanics vastly favors alliances with large capital fleets who are able to grind structures very quickly.

Sure, NC's 500 man T3 fleet will be stronger than the 100 man alliance trying to claim sov in a backwater. But to DEFEND, all they have to do is keep one defensive T1 E-link alive on their structures long enough to make it annoying for you. Which should be easy for them if they are living there. Can you eventually blow them up and flip sov? Sure. Of course, only one at a time; the other 50 renters were left alone that day. And you're going to keep doing this everyday, while Brave starts mounting a REAL war against your home systems because your standing supercap fleet is no longer any kind of deterrent to them?

I'm not trying to claim that somehow this change enables a 10-man alliance to suddenly hold sov in a place NC. actually wants to own. It IS, however, going to make it far easier for anyone and everyone to start real sov conflict/pressure with absolutely no worries over supercap fleet sizes. If this change drives conflict like it is intended to, you will frankly be too busy fighting real opponents to actually care about going back to flip a renter system that you don't actually want to own anyway. Which will be fine because you won't need the renter income to fight those real wars anyway, since you no longer need to be in a supercap race with your opponents and can actually fight sov wars in affordable ships that are fun to fly instead.

Supercaps will be part of endgame fleet battles required to totally nuke an opponent out of their final/home system. They WON'T be part of daily sov harassment because no structure grind means no structure grind fleets means far fewer fights escalating into cap battles because far MORE sov flipping hotpoints will spring up simultaneously across a warfront.

I can see you've given this a lot of thought. I'm sure come June a certain element will be crying like babies. I'll wager other players won't be. I'm so honored to be blessed with your deep and considered insight, however. Far be it from you to just sit in the cheap seats and hurl ridicule, right?

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Yeah and u Need to risk like 800M for every 100M(if the Link does cost about 80M)Ceptor on Grid if Attackers have a fleet on Standby...

I'm mostly happy with the underlying premise. There are a few things I think might need tweaking, but on the whole I'm positive to it. It's Jenn aSide who's saying there are deep, grievous flaws with it. I'm just wondering if these grievous flaws can be quantified, so I can see if I agree with Jenn or not.

Guys- there are 39 likes on the OP, this must mean that this is a good change and everyone likes it, thanks to Phoebe, right?

you might TANK 56 Ceptors, but as I understand u can fit 1 of these new Links and you Need 2 Ceptors to take sov over 1 whatevertanky ship, So will Need to bring like 50 Ships with 50 Links if the Attacker brings 50 Links to attack. Or did I missunderstand anything?

You dont need supercap ~fleet~. You only need 1 mothership.
You cannot ~welp~ it unless you're brain dead.

Are you happy about the state of capital ships after the change?

Sure, you only needed 1 supercap per structure grind. Each of which was a gigantic hotdrop magnet for anyone with a standing supercap fleet. And that still means you NEED 1 SUPERCAP PER STRUCTURE GRIND.

I especially laughed out loud and ended up spilling the Turkish coffee I've been sipping when I saw that Deklein region, the place I live in and the revered Goon homeland, has seen PvP related losses decrease by 20% since Phoebe and Jump Fatigue hit.[/b]