Thats a nice ihub you got there. Would be a shame if you lost it.

We dont even have to manage rentel empires any more. We just have to sit in NPC space and send out mails.

But here' the thing none of you are getting...1 man isn't going to reinforce any sov...unless it's unoccupied. This only works if these systems are unoccupied in which case, yeah 1 guy should RF them easy. But if people actually OCCUPY the system, it's reasonable to assume there's at least 2 or 3 guys in that staion willing to undock and kill the 1 attacker. So the attacker will have to escalate...to larger fleet, which will make the defender form a larger fleet.

So this idea that lone ceptors are going to go around destroying everything in 0.0 is complete non sense void of any forethought, logic or reasoning.

That means all you have to do is finish a 2 minute cycle while they're asleep or on the can, and it's done.

Lol, dude....
You REALLY might want to read the dev blog yourself before ranting over people to read the dev blog.

Well, missed that part. (God, their layout for that sucks) That's better than I had realized, although still not ideal.

It still mandates babysitting your structures when you should be out using your space and doing things.

Lol, dude....
You REALLY might want to read the dev blog yourself before ranting over people to read the dev blog.
Hint: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66967/1/OccupancyExamples.jpg

Also the text you quoted doesn't say that you can RF something in 2 minutes. Just that it takes a minimum of 2(5) minutes to make any progress towards RFing something.

It mandates living in your system.

I'm also relieved that it isn't in fact too late for me and that apparently I'm the one that can read.

Your worthless, truesec system with an income below that of L4 missions...



But I can blame mine on the ****** mobile layout they have for that dev blog. Genuinely atrocious, but that's what I get for posting from my phone.

So reading comprehension is no longer taught in school then??

Also the text you quoted doesn't say that you can RF something in 2 minutes. Just that it takes a minimum of 2(5) minutes to make any progress towards RFing something.

exerting uncontested control over Territorial Claim Units, Infrastructure Hubs and Outposts will take 10 minutes (plus the duration of the first cycle)

Your worthless, truesec system with an income below that of L4 missions...



But I can blame mine on the ****** mobile layout they have for that dev blog. Genuinely atrocious, but that's what I get for posting from my phone.

So, pop the first cycle, leave, if it's not contested again in ten minutes, it's reinforced.

I didn't say that was my plan. My position is that any distance longer than about 40km is too large.

The most major issue is with the cycle time. Structure grinding set the bar rather too high to take a crack at owning sov. But a 2 minute cycle time and a 100 million isk module is setting the bar entirely too low.

You. Can. Reinforce. The. Structure. At. Any. Time.

No. You. Cant.

So, pop the first cycle, leave, if it's not contested again in ten minutes, it's reinforced. Unless that sentence means that you have to cycle the whole thing for that time, which if that's the case, they should just say that then. Because the flowchart suggests that you have to do it once, and that the other timer is for the defender to respond with a contesting Entosis cycle.

As far as I understand, The Module has a 2 minute spool up time after which it starts affecting the timer. So each time you enter the grid you have to spend at least 2 minutes on grid to start affecting the timer. If you leave the grid, the timer stops. If you return, you need to spool up for 2 minutes again.

Now if there are two of you and one leaves, the other one continues to spin the timer, but if you return, activate the module and your buddy leaves immediately, the timer stops until your personal spin up timer passes. So you can't do a rewarp relay race, and each and every person willing to affect the timer HAS to spend at least 2 minutes on grid.

As far as I understand, The Module has a 2 minute spool up time after which it starts affecting the timer.

So each time you enter the grid you have to spend at least 2 minutes on grid to start affecting the timer. If you leave the grid, the timer stops. If you return, you need to spool up for 2 minutes again.

Bottom box - No links active, progress paused.

What I'd like it to be, is that the attacker needs to keep an active Entosis module for the entire capture period. But that is far from clear just from what I'm seeing in the blog. So if you're seeing otherwise, I'd like to see it too.

The flowchart linked above (and in the original article) seems to imply that's the case.

It's that, since it only takes two minutes to complete a reinforce

The process is still trollish, but not to the extend you're making it.

as currently proposed he is right, there is far to much babysitting required because the vulnerability mechanics of systems are absolutely terrible. Yes his specific example is pretty meh, but the general gist of the proposal as written suggests that for 4 hours each day as a sov holder you really have to focus all your attention on defense, that is nto a good system because while many in nullsec like to focus on pvp, they do also want and need to make money, the risk versus reward equation is way out of whack and you wouldn't have goons and n3 agreeing with each other on this aspect unless it was quite bad which it is.

The argument I have seen the most of so far is that the 4 hour vulnrability is the "occupancy" factor of the system. Its really not, if alliance could survive on only owning 1 or 2 constellations of sov trust me we would, but the cold hard fact is that 90% of systems are 100% useless in most regions. In order for a system to be worth using in a PVE capacity it needs to be off pipe/or far away from your borders, have -5 or better truesec, and preferably be a deadend of some sort. This is the requisite amount of safety required to be on par with other isk making methods see highsec, missions in general, incursions ect. If you make space worth owning that alone will create a large amount of PVP content. I.E. see just about every moon rebalance and how fast it has ignited wars. Tech led to the fall of the NC, then the fall of raiden. WN and the tribute war. The r64 rebalance created the fountain and delve wars.

Nothing in this game creates conflict better than money making incentives. Wars have been over moons and renters more than any other reason in the game. Money talks, this system does not speak to that equation so you are missing the inherent conflict driver. The only driver that exists as written is the pain in the butt factor.

Whats even more hilarious is if all the people in this thread who are not part of incumbent nullsec and keep saying ya the empires and coalitions will finally fall had banded together under the old system of sov dominion or pos warfare they would likely own a region or more of space ALREADY. The key to nullsec is in fact not fleet numbers, supercapital count or even the amount of money in your warchest. It is and always has been organization. The other 3 factors help and yes there is at least some fleet numbers required but by in large it is organization that controls sov ownership. Under the new sov system this doesn't change, organized powers will always beat unorganized powers and control more or better space. The only thing the new system controls is how many people will want to bother with sov at all.

What many of you may fail to realize just because you were not involved or not at a level to know is that most sov wars are lost by the organization, not disparities in fleet numbers or capitals. Fountain war is a key example, as is the halloween war. Test didn't lose because of numbers it lost because its leadership fell to pieces under the organization stress of fighting the war. The halloween war very very similar, the russian leadership of the coalition fell to internal strife. Its likely that the war could have gone 6 months or more in immensea under russian ownership had this leadership strife not occured. The likely reason you are nto seeing a war between the coalitions now is because we know there are sov changes coming, we have known since july and as such no one wanted to commit to stress of sov war until we knew whether or not we even had a reason to fight. No sense in starting a war over space if you dont even know if the new system will allow you to keep what you took.

If CCP was smart, then instead of just rolling this out onto Tranquility, they should let it run (at least) three to six months on the test server to see how null sec ebbs and flows.

CCP take heed.
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