I am almost positive that is to un-reinforce a structure.

As far as time zone mechanics I think a binary window is contrary to the spirit of eve, as many have voiced. Eve is a place where you can get your **** handed to you 23/7 and I don't ever want that to change. If my enemy wants to alarm clock all 1,000 members of their alliance to catch me at my weakest time, more power to em, that's the stuff that makes eve great.

That said, with how it easy it seems to be to reinforce a structure, I do think it should be more difficult (read not impossible) to do so outside of the set prime time. Off the top off i my head i can think of a few options to (potentially) improve on the system.


1) Alliance chooses a Prime Time as in the suggested model but outside of the time zone is a flat multiplier that increases capture time instead of disabling it completely.


2) Alliance chooses a Prime Time. The further away from that time you are the longer it takes to capture.

One issue with this is that fighting after the Prime Time would be fighting an uphill battle as capture time increases. The opposite would be true in the hours leading up to it.

Please tell me why, in any way, the attacker's influence should be permitted to linger after the attacker himself is dead.

That'd be like drones that kept on shooting after the parent ship had been destroyed.

Too often read here about unoccupied space.

To clarify: The systems that are actually empty are not worth anything which is the reason why they are, were and will be empty.

If the new sov system goes live even the slighly better system that are just good for 3 corpmembers will be empty aswell because there is absolutely no way to be online for 4h each day with 3 members and defend against a 20 fleet.

A system with -0.8 for example is just good for 10 simultanous operating corpmembers.

Yes but the point I'm making is this is the ENTIRE reason behind the division of "sides" in the links. To FORCE the OWNERS to take action, to be unable to rely on "blues" for the whole thing.

It also opens interesting tactical possibilities insofar as the attackers can primary a single alliance to try and get a timer to extend by breaking the links.

You mean like how defenders still need to take action against an RF item, even if it is uncontested?

You mean like how defenders still need to take action against an RF item, even if it is uncontested?

This is the case even today.

CCP is quite clear that they are forcing OWNERS to be on field and taking action or they are losing their things.


Tell me why the OWNERS should not be fully involved in saving their own things?

You mean like how defenders still need to take action against an RF item, even if it is uncontested?

Tell me why the OWNERS should not be fully involved in saving their own things?

Well, they did, didn't they? They thwarted the reinforcement attempt, and either they someone from their alliance . What's the problem?

I'm guessing what you're going to end up with is instead of "blues", you'll have corps joining an alliance, just like today.

I've no idea what you're trying to get at, since at worst there'll be a specific alliance which all the corps are in, so no matter what you do, you've got "a single alliance".

Alphaing links of the field is an imperfect solution by itself. There will always be more links from both sides. Its still a losing battle to try and defend a timer without the owner present.

I suspect this thread has ceased its usefulness now, all the significant points have been raised; until we get the "issue" devblogs, going back and forth is kinda pointless. The thread has pretty-much devolved to highseccers who will never take advantage of the changes crowing about "the fall of the blocks", big blockmembers either, depending on your viewpoint, giving the benefit of their experience and explaining how they'll break this system, or "crying", and wormhole and NPC-nullsec small gangers looking forward to giving a black eye or two over old bitter grudges.

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Don't you rent quite a lot of these useless regions for many billions?

You mean like POSes are completely incapable of regenerating their own shield after they've been reinforced?

As it is presented today, yes. People are asking for the thing to tick back itself after attackers die, thus directly going against the NEED to have the owners on field.

No we dont and does not change that they are useless.

I suspect this thread has ceased its usefulness now, all the significant points have been raised; until we get the "issue" devblogs, going back and forth is kinda pointless. The thread has pretty-much devolved to highseccers who will never take advantage of the changes crowing about "the fall of the blocks", big blockmembers either, depending on your viewpoint, giving the benefit of their experience and explaining how they'll break this system, or "crying", and wormhole and NPC-nullsec small gangers looking forward to giving a black eye or two over old bitter grudges.

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As it is presented today, yes. People are asking for the thing to tick back itself after attackers die, thus directly going against the NEED to have the owners on field.

As it is presented today, yes. People are asking for the thing to tick back itself after attackers die, thus directly going against the NEED to have the owners on field.

This may very well be true, but can someone PLEASE provide accurate independent and most importantly public data to show exactly how good or bad this is.

Change often is.

Change just for the sake of change... rarely is.

It's been a matter of public record on these forums for some time. It's been shown to you on no less than two occasions that I am aware of.

If you choose to ignore them, that's your problem.

The fact of the matter is that most truesec is worth less than slowboating highsec missions.

That hardly counts as data, I am talking about anomoly regen, isk available in anomolies for loot and salvage, (which we know has dropped) and bounties, officer and faction drops, and escalations over for a period of a week or two.

What im saying is, if you are presented with a batphone defense and no owners there's only so many alpha fleets they can field. Bring links in something that fleet cant hit and all of the sudden they're useless.

Also I proposed an exponential regen with a delay. Say for example they volley off all the links. It could take 5 minutes to even start regen and another 20 for it to be a meaningful amount of regen. All you need to do is barely start one cycle to reset that. Meanwhile that alpha fleet is hanging out in the open waiting for another group to roam on in and kill them.