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Dee Ellis	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:06:00 - [31] Originally by: Rekindle Man whatever you dream up on your own time is entirely up to you. But a .5 system is not downtown Chicago. Downtown chicago got cops too And they're not even half as fast as Concord. Now about thought out posts, you try to make on and I'll try to follow example, but not until you've actually tried and put som effort into it.
Rekindle	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Too Kind Originally by: Rekindle 2. if 3000 ppl have this problem where is the real problem? Is it really with the stupid noobs like me who think they can warp through "safe" space or does it rest with a mechanic that allows all by haulers to pass by safely? Well, I don't know, how many that problem have. But one of my ex-corp mates, also experienced 0.0 pvp player, lost one of his tech-2 bpos right when I tried to get it from his agent. Was not an uber BPO, but anyway. Suicide attacks were one of the standard topics at that time, too, because a new wave of suicide ganking had begun. He filed an exploit petition, but got the answer, that it is no exploit. I was just totally surprised that my mate didn't know about it. 2004, when I joined the game, I've heard already about the first suicide attacks with kestrels. If you'd bother to have read my post before jumping at the chance to flame yet anotehr poster you'd see that I understand this is an accepted mechanic of the game. I'm not on here saying what omfg ccp stop the sploiters -- I'm saying this game is condusive to griefers and macro miners and its too bad that there wasn't a little something to help out the players who dont pvp 24 x 7 365 -- im not talking about magic griffons that fly me here and there or im not talking about magic soul stones - just a stop to the cheap ass tactics of sitting at a empire gate waiting for a iteron hauler to come through so you can suicide yourself with the hope of scoring some loot. Regardless of whether its accepted or not can we not agree that its totally a lame tactic that doesnt have to be given credence? -------------------------------------------
Dee Ellis	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:08:00 - [33] And, ya, mr d-fens, chill down, this kinda of self-righteous "You're all spamming, I'm not" attitude doesn't suit you very well.
Rekindle	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:09:00 - [34] Originally by: Dee Ellis Downtown chicago got cops too And they're not even half as fast as Concord. Now about thought out posts, you try to make on and I'll try to follow example, but not until you've actually tried and put som effort into it. This isnt chicago, I'm not in a dress or whatever it is you're messed up mind is going on about. How about you stick to the topic of this conversation which is the subject of empire ganking at .5 gates --not-- my ability to out do you in some weak minded flame fest or otherwise go derail someone elses thread. -------------------------------------------
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Rekindle Granted my view point is a little messed up right now. Having played game for a while now ( 2 years in feb ) and loosing literally everything you own on a retarded game mechanic will have that effect on people. But let me explain: I spend 80% of my time in 0.0 and %20 of my time in empire. I was on a empire run when a well practiced group blew up my iteron 5 hauler [with high end expanders] in a .5 system. I was not at war with them, I wasn't afk, I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything (and I mean everything) I own in the form of Bpos/Bpcs/mods etc into nothing. Let me save the naysayers the effort: And explain outright that I understand that this is an accepted method of game play (to shoot and take the Concord hit) and then have your mates loot. But its specifically because its accepted that I come to the conclusion this game is a griefer playground. I have invested as much time and energy in this game as griefers, yet because I chose to move my stuff through what was suposed to be secure space, I am being penalized and the "material" representation of time is now gone. If you don't want players to partake in care bearing empire runs then dont bait them with what is 99.99999999% of the time secure space and write off being ganked with a "you should have known better" attitude. Just call this a %100 pvp only game where combat can happen against your 1hp hauler any time anywhere and remove policing altogther or otherwise repair this pathetic game mechanic. What they did is well within the game mechanics and it's not griefing. They got a nice fortune out of you, they didn't kill you just out of spite. Besides your point is totally refuted when you read EVE's official guide and it clearly states that NO PLACE is secure (that includes high sec.). So... can i have your stuff??? Oops, don't have any now, right. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:25:00 - [36] You've played for over two years...and yet you can't look at yourself and say "hmm, gee, maybe there are people who'd go after all my hard-earned isk in highsec too, let's tank up a battleship and insta it through highsec"... Seriously, you are not being griefed - you were just the victim of a mugging. There is a difference between the two, the former occurs when people would swap your ore in order repeatedly to try and get a cheap kill, the later occurs when you lack the foresight to protect your assets properly. Repeat after me: "There is no such thing as 100% safe space, and there never will be".
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:31:00 - [37] Originally by: Rekindle I spend 80% of my time in 0.0 and %20 of my time in empire. I was on a empire run when a well practiced group blew up my iteron 5 hauler [with high end expanders] in a .5 system. I was not at war with them, I wasn't afk, I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything (and I mean everything) I own in the form of Bpos/Bpcs/mods etc into nothing. You put 2 years worth of work into a paper ship... Darwinism at work Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
Adrian Kerensky Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:32:00 - [38] Sorry to say so but I laughed when I read your post tbh. You wont be moving everything you own whilst AFK in a crappy paper thin ship again will you? Serves you right for being lazy and not playing the game properly imo.
Dee Ellis	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:33:00 - [39] Originally by: w0rmy You put 2 years worth of work into a paper ship... Darwinism at work Dresses in Chicago at night (Or, for some SLOW people here: Paper ships in Empire space...)
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:37:00 - [40] Can I have your stuff? --------- NEED A SIG PLEASE.

Cipher7	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:37:00 - [41] I accepted a long time ago that Eve is Juvi Grieferville. 2 years and you didn't know?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:37:00 - [42] I would neve take all my valuables around in a single t1 hauler, 'tis madness! Of course everything I own probably only adds up to about 100mill, so it really isn't a huge problem for me -----------------------------------------------
Rekindle	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:39:00 - [43] Originally by: Cipher7 I accepted a long time ago that Eve is Juvi Grieferville. 2 years and you didn't know? Yeah and its reflected quite well on the boards for the most part too. You come on, express an opinion on something and instead of people trying to maturely discuss the topic they insult you instead. There's nothing left for me here. -------------------------------------------
Eternal Fury Shadow Of The Light Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:39:00 - [44] Edited by: Eternal Fury on 07/11/2006 01:39:47 I have to ask this.. Why do people risk hauling stuff in empire in a a T1 hauler. Why would you not take the time to train up to get a Deep space transport, and the requisite skills to get the uber tank that is available on them. If you are moveing expensive things around in this game there are a few ways to do it. Battleships. Inty's. Industrials(why, I don't know) T2 Industrials(lots better) Freighters(Quite expensive) and Capital ships(can't be used in empire in most cases. So if you are moveing BPO's around, one of two things. First, they should be in secure cargo containers. This way, even if you are popped, you can retrieve the cargo unless they blow the can's up. 2nd, WTF are you useing a T1 Industrial. If you HAVE to use an indy, at LEAST use a T2 one. They at least have better defences, and a greater chance at getting though. A Blockade runner can take a few hits from Battleships, let alone suicide Kessies. And if you've been playing for 2 years, you should be able to use T2 Indy's no problem. Eternal Fury Shadow Of The Light .SOL.
Kaaln Gallente Soar Angelic Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:39:00 - [45] Originally by: Rekindle What your'e saying is high sec is safe for anyone in ships other than an iteron Mark 5.....its safe for thoraxes, its safe for ravens its safe unless you are an industrial char going about their business. Don't be an idiot. If I scan you and see over 200mil worth of stuff, of course I'm going to have a shot at you. Who cares if you're in an Iteron V or a Velator, you're going to go pop. What you did is pretty stupid to be honest. After playing Eve for 2 years you failed to realise even the most basic of lessons. You are not safe. Anywhere. -----------------------------------------------
Too Kind	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:40:00 - [46] Edited by: Too Kind on 07/11/2006 01:41:57 Originally by: Rekindle If you'd bother to have read my post before jumping at the chance to flame yet anotehr poster you'd see that I understand this is an accepted mechanic of the game. Guess, you've never heard me flaming. Originally by: Rekindle Regardless of whether its accepted or not can we not agree that its totally a lame tactic that doesnt have to be given credence? I have answered that one before. The unforgiving world of EVE stroke you, not a griefer. A newbie usually doesn't move extremely valuable stuff around. But you are experienced, you should have known it and avoided to give those guys the opportunity. So no, I don't agree that it's totally lame. I think it's a valid tactics. Maybe it's not perfectly balanced and restricts using industrials too much, maybe it's fine that way, because we have other more secure ships like transports. That's open for discussion, but I don't think you have been griefed, although you feel so. If you think this was a flame again, sorry. Guess I'm a flamethrower. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:43:00 - [47] i hate greifers. i sincerely hope that you financially recover enough so that you can once again put that much ISK into a t1 hauler some day. 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Adrian Kerensky Sorry to say so but I laughed when I read your post tbh. You wont be moving everything you own whilst AFK in a crappy paper thin ship again will you? Serves you right for being lazy and not playing the game properly imo. You laugh at him for not playing the game "properly" It's a shame you cant read. He clearly stated he was not afk. tbh I'd rather play a game badly than fail basic reading
Zulak	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:52:00 - [49] Sorry to hear about your loss, and on the other hand I really don't know if there is a solution for this. Maybe it is time ccp open up empire to be an open pvp zone, this way at least people will travel extremely carefully and have alliances camping the gate rather than the unreliable concord.
Futuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:53:00 - [50] Edited by: Futuri on 07/11/2006 01:53:23 Originally by: mazzilliu i sincerely hope that you financially recover enough so that you can once again put that much ISK into a t1 hauler some day. He should just jettison it outside jita4-4, it'll last longer

Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:56:00 - [51] well tbh he is right. But Eve also caters to other gameplay more then any other game. And tbh, what he descrivbed isnt even griefplay, it jsut caused greif. A wholly different thing, altho understandably people get it mixed up sometimes. Old blog
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Rekindle Originally by: Cipher7 I accepted a long time ago that Eve is Juvi Grieferville. 2 years and you didn't know? Yeah and its reflected quite well on the boards for the most part too. You come on, express an opinion on something and instead of people trying to maturely discuss the topic they insult you instead. There's nothing left for me here. Good riddance. One less idiot in game. One less troll on the forums... and yes, you are the troll here: People give you good advice but you just ignore them and keep whining and making untrue claims. I'm sure the WoW forums would love another troll. _______________________________ It's great not being Amarr, isn't it?
Rekindle	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:17:00 - [53] Originally by: Eilie Originally by: Rekindle Originally by: Cipher7 I accepted a long time ago that Eve is Juvi Grieferville. 2 years and you didn't know? Yeah and its reflected quite well on the boards for the most part too. You come on, express an opinion on something and instead of people trying to maturely discuss the topic they insult you instead. There's nothing left for me here. Good riddance. One less idiot in game. One less troll on the forums... and yes, you are the troll here: People give you good advice but you just ignore them and keep whining and making untrue claims. I'm sure the WoW forums would love another troll. once again I would question whos trolling who here. I come on here to express an opinion on a mechanic taht is obviously broken and the usual suspects of eve forum posters take the opportunity to pounce on me like im some stupid noob whos never played an MMORPG game. The truth is I've played far too many MMORPG games and anyone who clearly has experience should look at the issue of gate campers in NPC patrolled space with some suspicion and question it. I havent yet disagreed with the notion that it IS a game mechanic-- perhaps it was stupid of me to attempt to work the way I did within that mechanic. that does not, however, take away from my orignal notion that the mechanic is stupid and its broken. No matter how often you narrow minded types flame me, call me a stupid noob idiot who knew better, I will maintain my belief (which I'll add attacks no one, trolls no one) that the mechanic , as it is, is designed to support grief play and we wouldnt be having this conversation it if wasnt condusive to such. -------------------------------------------
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:20:00 - [54] Edited by: Victor Vision on 07/11/2006 02:20:50 To the OP: Sorry for your loss. What many people do NOT know is that this empire ganking is borderlining an exploit. CCP tolerates this as long as it is NOT done by alts that are recycled when their sec rating goes too low. If this tactic is used by alts that are recycled after sec rating is too low it is concidered an EXPLOIT with all its consequences. So I would recommend to the OP to petition the gankers, so CCP can keep an eye on them.
Flesh Eater	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:24:00 - [55] Why are the mechanics "obviously" broken? In this case they have chosen to be close to reality rather than make a mechanic for convenience...and we all knew that this was the case. Using a cruiser with a mwd for taking BPOs would have been much better. BTW this is not really griefing.....sniping at miners in 0.0, warping to safespots and cloaking for days on end is more like griefing.
Futuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:34:00 - [56] Originally by: Victor Vision If this tactic is used by alts that are recycled after sec rating is too low it is concidered an EXPLOIT with all its consequences. I agree with what you say, however, ganking people in high sec is not an exploit and is not bordering an exploit either. Bypassing the in-game security system by recycling alts is.
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc. Eternal Empire	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:40:00 - [57] Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 07/11/2006 02:40:13 bpo's should be carried in shuttles or ints real expensive stuff in BS's and you should put nano's and stabs on your hauler as well as extenders you just need to make more runs but that means your less of an attractive target and your better equiped to get away you should of know better greifers is just a term for ppl that are mad
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:42:00 - [58] Edited by: Victor Vision on 07/11/2006 02:52:37 Edited by: Victor Vision on 07/11/2006 02:45:38 Originally by: Futuri Originally by: Victor Vision If this tactic is used by alts that are recycled after sec rating is too low it is concidered an EXPLOIT with all its consequences. I agree with what you say, however, ganking people in high sec is not an exploit and is not bordering an exploit either. Bypassing the in-game security system by recycling alts is. Yes, true. Still makes sense to petition, since in these instances of high sec hauler ganking alt squads are often used, and these are usualy recycled after a while to bypass the ingame sec system. And as you said, recycling alts to bypass the ingame sec system is an exploit. Edit: And the underlined part of my post you quoted is 100% correct
Morfane Privateers	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:43:00 - [59] Use your aggresive feelings, boy. Give in to your anger. Let the hate flow through you. Join the dark side, and get your isk back from some other poor shmuck.
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Rekindle The truth is I've played far too many MMORPG games and anyone who clearly has experience should look at the issue of gate campers in NPC patrolled space with some suspicion and question it. I havent yet disagreed with the notion that it IS a game mechanic-- perhaps it was stupid of me to attempt to work the way I did within that mechanic. that does not, however, take away from my orignal notion that the mechanic is stupid and its broken. No matter how often you narrow minded types flame me, call me a stupid noob idiot who knew better, I will maintain my belief (which I'll add attacks no one, trolls no one) that the mechanic , as it is, is designed to support grief play and we wouldnt be having this conversation it if wasnt condusive to such. There's your problem. You're comparing EVE with your knowledge of other MMORPGs. But that is something that you can't do because EVE is nothing like other MMORPGs. The mechanics are designed so that it is easy to lose stuff and that's why it's called pirating and not griefing in EVE. Having stuff lost so easily is what keeps the EVE economy running. Games with no loss all have really bad economies (which are usually also controlled by chinese currency sellers.) As I said in an earlier post, removing the ability to sucide gank will ruin the EVE economy due to both less stuff needing to be replaced and invincible macrominers. It would also remove all of the skill and strategy needed to move expensive stuff around; you might as well just let people teleport all their stuff between stations in high sec... So you need to choose: Do you want to play a game controlled by chinese macroers where RMTers are better than the real players? Or do you want to play a game with a strong economy where everyone has an equal chance as long as they use some intelligence? _______________________________ It's great not being Amarr, isn't it?



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