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Dani Lizardov BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm 32	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:02:13 - [391] - Quote Too many triangles I do not like the new icons. Thx CCP after 5 years I have to learn the overview again.
quiki1 BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm 1	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:03:05 - [392] - Quote OMG. What a fail. Bring back the old icons.
Walkyier State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:03:43 - [393] - Quote tell ya what the cerb looks bad ass !!! overview icons take a little getting used to
Porucznik Borewicz Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 31	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:04:59 - [394] - Quote OK, so after an actual elite PVP fleet I have some more feedback regarding the new overview icons / brackets. Apart from the fact that the drones Xes need to come back, because the new ones look just silly and clutter the view anyway, there is one major issue with the new icons - they are unreadable when no standings / background colours are set towards an neutral player you are fighting. Stuff just looks too much the same. And the more things you have apart player ships on your OV the more you are screwed. The new icons are OK-ish in a way. You could get used to them. We just need a more "at a glance" way to tell the player controlled ships in space. Like a colour maybe. Making the player ships green for instance would help me a lot. And I bet a lot of colour blind people would also welcome the option to change player ships colour. Right now, everything on the OV that is not a waypoint object (stargate, station) has the same colour. The other way would be reverting the old brackets for player ships. TL;DR: Let me change the player controlled ships icons colour and it will be much better.
Lil' Brudder Too Pistols for Pandas 146	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:05:38 - [395] - Quote All the NPC icons floating in space look like player icons, they are not distinct enough, like they used to be. A white symbol with just a touch of 'white' in the center does not work. Like we told you in the SiSi thread. Soo many other points, but they have been covered time and again in that same SiSi thread. Please revert this.
Total Newbie Patriotic Tendencies Executive Outcomes 80	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:10:26 - [396] - Quote I am actually quite tired of CCP people asking why people turn up or down their scaling.... It's called preference.... CHOICE..... Not everyone who plays eve is a technogeek ( I say that in loving terms BTW) Some of us are just regular schlubs, who want to play a USABLE game. We don't want eye strain to try to figure out WTF it is we are seeing.... We don't want to buy the latest and greatest graphics card...... Why does everything evolve around "Golly Gee, look how pretty" rather than...... Hey, I can actually differentiate and see something?
Jellyfish Original Dawn Expeditionary Force 2	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:12:24 - [397] - Quote The new icons look like that they are hand drawn, and I'm staring at a terrible painting when I play...
Daemun Khanid Sanctus Imperialis 82	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:13:07 - [398] - Quote I like the changes. After years of staring at the same UI its nice to see something new. I'll never understand ppls adversity to change. Daemun of Khanid
Asarian Yahnid Highly Inappropriate 2	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:13:32 - [399] - Quote New icons are Horrid. Ship preview icons are all gold. You guys need to learn the old saying "if it aint broke, dont fix it". Overview icons worked fine... No change needed. Ship thumbnails..... Looked fine... No change needed. Horrid Update.
chmeee kzin Raging Main Zero Fux. 4	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:14:36 - [400] - Quote CCP Surge wrote: [quote=Joia Crenca] I'm also curious to hear more from, and maybe wasn't aware of how many users played with a 90% downscaled UI (as opposed to scaling up for accessibility reasons.) What are your reasons for doing so? I know many who UI downscale either due to screen size, G-card limitations, or many who try and stuff way to many dialogue boxes onto the screen. CCP Claymore and team, don't take the overview icon issue to hard. I'm sure changes where well intended. Remember, the road to hell ( volcanoes for you Icelandic folk ) is paved with good intentions. Everything else with Carnyx is awesome, love the new skins, rendering, ship looks ( Jackdaw will take some getting used too, looks like a flying cell phone tower ), module-cides, etc. Good job! Serious question... How does CCP determine the initial price on BPO's for new modules? is there some market forecasting meta or such that is used? 200 mil for entosis link BPO seems kinda high considering its function. Do you set a NPC market high/low limit price on BPO.s? ( not player driven market price in other words ).

Total Newbie Patriotic Tendencies Executive Outcomes 80	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:15:07 - [401] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: I like the changes. After years of staring at the same UI its nice to see something new. I'll never understand ppls adversity to change. This is CCP mentality... change for the sake of change..... How about USABLE
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 726	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:15:25 - [402] - Quote Icons are ****. Sorry CCP, but while some icons, like for POS mods, are OK, the main ship and drone icons are TERRIBLE. There was absolutely nothing wrong with old icons to be honest; you could tweak a few here and there, but to change rats from crosses to whatever unholy mess this is, is just bullcrap. Now i cant tell a battleship sleeper apart from a cruiser of a frigate sleeper. Its just bullcrap.
Lara Divinity Black Scorpion Nomads 39	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:17:13 - [403] - Quote there i was gettin targetted by a tractor unit oh no wait it is actually a ship these icons suck ccp 12 years around n thats what u guys come up with is it to take attention of the new map or somthing 2 updates later the map still sucks n nothing has changed besides then the icons
Steijn Quay Industries 701	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:19:31 - [404] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: I like the changes. After years of staring at the same UI its nice to see something new. I'll never understand ppls adversity to change. peoples complaints are nothing to do with change and everything to do with useability.

CCP Surge C C P C C P Alliance 75	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:19:50 - [405] - Quote Also to address some of the concerns voiced, our overall aim was not to change the old icons just for the sake of something new or because we thought they weren't working, but to provide better granularity and at-a-glance awareness of the objects on grid. But change is tough and we are definitely keeping an eye on your feedback in all channels as we had been during testing on Singularity for the past while. This relatively small icons swap isn't an end-all-be-all "tough luck" change we're aiming to saddle the playerbase with. For now a few things I urge patience. There are dozens of new icons to learn, and it might take the brain a while to untangle the new "messy blob" at first. Post back in a few days and share if they've changed your game for better or worse after you've gotten a little more comfortable identifying them. We'll be keeping an eye on this post initial-reaction feedback closely. Check out this image to help learn your icons: http://images.contentful.com/kvd74o0q2fjg/4Hgu1BcYAE22wgokiKeYO4/4001f1c3132cc7749d9d25ec8851798e/NewOvervieBracket-IconsImage.jpg?w=1920&fm=jpg&q=85 While GÇ£deconstructive feedbackGÇ¥ is cathartic in some ways I am sure, itGÇÖs likely not going to help get your point across. We are looking for specific feedback: What specifically don't you like about the new icons? Can you share an in-game story or experience which backs up your conclusions? It's the kind of feedback that's most useful to us when making calls on these types of things. We've taken seriously the calls to include a "use classic bracket icons" option. Originally we thought having two sets of icons in the client might just cause confusion and miscommunication among players, and tough learning/teaching decisions for newbros as well as vets welcoming them in. However these concerns might be overblown, especially in regards to little bracket icons. In any case its definitely a debate worth having. Thanks for reading!

LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 729	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:21:30 - [406] - Quote Can you please let me turn off new icons for rats, sleepers and ships, and revert to the old set?
Lil' Brudder Too Pistols for Pandas 146	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:21:34 - [407] - Quote CCP Claymore wrote: That would be me and my team, Team Game of Drones. We are reading the feedback you are providing. All I can say at the moment is please take some time to get used to the new icons if this is the first time you are seeing them. It has been a while since they last changed, if ever, and it will take a while to learn them again. We are aware that the new icons do not look great with 90% UI Scaling. This is an issue we are looking at but is a bigger project due to the nature of UI Scaling. We are monitoring your feedback and will try and respond to your issues and concerns. Thank you for all your feedback so far. That is your answer to ALL of the solid feedback from the SiSi thread? Incase you lost the linky for said thread You guys are terrible....answer the hard questions like why we need to see small medium, and large belt rocks...? Atleast make another pass through that thread and tell us why our feedback was not used please. Some people put some serious time into giving it to you, it would be wise to not just blow them off simply because it hurts your pride. New Icon SiSi feedback thread that got wholly ignored!
Steijn Quay Industries 701	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:24:42 - [408] - Quote CCP Surge wrote: Also to address some of the concerns voiced, our overall aim was not to change the old icons just for the sake of something new or because we thought they weren't working, but to provide better granularity and at-a-glance awareness of the objects on grid. But change is tough and we are definitely keeping an eye on your feedback in all channels as we had been during testing on Singularity for the past while. This relatively small icons swap isn't an end-all-be-all "tough luck" change we're aiming to saddle the playerbase with. For now a few things I urge patience. There are dozens of new icons to learn, and it might take the brain a while to untangle the new "messy blob" at first. Post back in a few days and share if they've changed your game for better or worse after you've gotten a little more comfortable identifying them. We'll be keeping an eye on this post initial-reaction feedback closely. Check out this image to help learn your icons: http://images.contentful.com/kvd74o0q2fjg/4Hgu1BcYAE22wgokiKeYO4/4001f1c3132cc7749d9d25ec8851798e/NewOvervieBracket-IconsImage.jpg?w=1920&fm=jpg&q=85 While GÇ£deconstructive feedbackGÇ¥ is cathartic in some ways I am sure, itGÇÖs likely not going to help get your point across. We are looking for specific feedback: What specifically don't you like about the new icons? Can you share an in-game story or experience which backs up your conclusions? It's the kind of feedback that's most useful to us when making calls on these types of things. We've taken seriously the calls to include a "use classic bracket icons" option. Originally we thought having two sets of icons in the client might just cause confusion and miscommunication among players, and tough learning/teaching decisions for newbros as well as vets welcoming them in. However these concerns might be overblown, especially in regards to little bracket icons. In any case its definitely a debate worth having. Thanks for reading! my patience has lasted for around 8 hours since DT, it wont be getting tried again until something drastic is changed.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11193	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:25:11 - [409] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: I like the changes. After years of staring at the same UI its nice to see something new. I'll never understand ppls adversity to change. Adversity to change has nothing to do with anything. Give us good changes and watch the complaining not happen. I'll personally underastand people who advocate change for nothing more than the sake of change. If it ain't broke.....
Spc One The Chodak Void Alliance 252	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:25:32 - [410] - Quote CCP Surge wrote: Post back in a few days and share if they've changed your game for better or worse after you've gotten a little more comfortable identifying them. I've been trying that since they came out on sisi, I did extensive pve/pvp on sisi test server and it's getting worse every day, at 90% scaled UI it's horrible.

mne lee Viziam Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:27:16 - [411] - Quote WTF just bring back the old icons you realy have screwed the game
xSlaughtershy The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 9	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:28:10 - [412] - Quote When things like Carnyx happens, it fills me with confidence that I will find a good job in the graphic arts community. Not because Carnyx is an inspiring piece of work, but rather when the work quality and effort put into the Carnyx icons can pass into a live update, I feel that I would be able to land a graphics job anywhere. That is, of course, if I can manage to spell my full name correctly.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11195	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:29:22 - [413] - Quote Lil' Brudder Too wrote: CCP Claymore wrote: That would be me and my team, Team Game of Drones. We are reading the feedback you are providing. All I can say at the moment is please take some time to get used to the new icons if this is the first time you are seeing them. It has been a while since they last changed, if ever, and it will take a while to learn them again. We are aware that the new icons do not look great with 90% UI Scaling. This is an issue we are looking at but is a bigger project due to the nature of UI Scaling. We are monitoring your feedback and will try and respond to your issues and concerns. Thank you for all your feedback so far. That is your answer to ALL of the solid feedback from the SiSi thread? Incase you lost the linky for said thread You guys are terrible....answer the hard questions like why we need to see small medium, and large belt rocks...? Atleast make another pass through that thread and tell us why our feedback was not used please. Some people put some serious time into giving it to you, it would be wise to not just blow them off simply because it hurts your pride. That's the worst part of it, people gave CCP feedback and that was ignored. I am at least encouraged by the fact that they will consider "classic icons". If they do implement classic icons, for me personally the space invader icons will go the way of the Captains Quarters (ie technically still there but I wouldn't know it because I never use it).
Don Matteo Fortuna Executive Fortuna Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:30:36 - [414] - Quote CCP Surge wrote: Also to address some of the concerns voiced, our overall aim was not to change the old icons just for the sake of something new or because we thought they weren't working, but to provide better granularity and at-a-glance awareness of the objects on grid. But change is tough and we are definitely keeping an eye on your feedback in all channels as we had been during testing on Singularity for the past while. This relatively small icons swap isn't an end-all-be-all "tough luck" change we're aiming to saddle the playerbase with. For now a few things I urge patience. There are dozens of new icons to learn, and it might take the brain a while to untangle the new "messy blob" at first. Post back in a few days and share if they've changed your game for better or worse after you've gotten a little more comfortable identifying them. We'll be keeping an eye on this post initial-reaction feedback closely. Check out this image to help learn your icons: http://images.contentful.com/kvd74o0q2fjg/4Hgu1BcYAE22wgokiKeYO4/4001f1c3132cc7749d9d25ec8851798e/NewOvervieBracket-IconsImage.jpg?w=1920&fm=jpg&q=85 While GÇ£deconstructive feedbackGÇ¥ is cathartic in some ways I am sure, itGÇÖs likely not going to help get your point across. We are looking for specific feedback: What specifically don't you like about the new icons? Can you share an in-game story or experience which backs up your conclusions? It's the kind of feedback that's most useful to us when making calls on these types of things. We've taken seriously the calls to include a "use classic bracket icons" option. Originally we thought having two sets of icons in the client might just cause confusion and miscommunication among players, and tough learning/teaching decisions for newbros as well as vets welcoming them in. However these concerns might be overblown, especially in regards to little bracket icons. In any case its definitely a debate worth having. Thanks for reading! I urge you to drop the new icons, there is no need for this change... As my brain is simple and can understand bigger and smaller, however different shapes???
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 16467	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:33:41 - [415] - Quote I guess I'm the only one who kind of likes the new icons? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Total Newbie Patriotic Tendencies Executive Outcomes 86	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:35:07 - [416] - Quote CCP Surge wrote: Also to address some of the concerns voiced, our overall aim was not to change the old icons just for the sake of something new or because we thought they weren't working, but to provide better granularity and at-a-glance awareness of the objects on grid. But change is tough and we are definitely keeping an eye on your feedback in all channels as we had been during testing on Singularity for the past while. This relatively small icons swap isn't an end-all-be-all "tough luck" change we're aiming to saddle the playerbase with. For now a few things I urge patience. There are dozens of new icons to learn, and it might take the brain a while to untangle the new "messy blob" at first. Post back in a few days and share if they've changed your game for better or worse after you've gotten a little more comfortable identifying them. We'll be keeping an eye on this post initial-reaction feedback closely. Check out this image to help learn your icons: http://images.contentful.com/kvd74o0q2fjg/4Hgu1BcYAE22wgokiKeYO4/4001f1c3132cc7749d9d25ec8851798e/NewOvervieBracket-IconsImage.jpg?w=1920&fm=jpg&q=85 While GÇ£deconstructive feedbackGÇ¥ is cathartic in some ways I am sure, itGÇÖs likely not going to help get your point across. We are looking for specific feedback: What specifically don't you like about the new icons? Can you share an in-game story or experience which backs up your conclusions? It's the kind of feedback that's most useful to us when making calls on these types of things. We've taken seriously the calls to include a "use classic bracket icons" option. Originally we thought having two sets of icons in the client might just cause confusion and miscommunication among players, and tough learning/teaching decisions for newbros as well as vets welcoming them in. However these concerns might be overblown, especially in regards to little bracket icons. In any case its definitely a debate worth having. Thanks for reading! I still don't understand your insistence that this even needed a change. You guys keep asking us "Why"? How about you guys give us some reasoning behind the change, other than granularity. WTF is that? Catch phrases don't create..... Next thing you know you're going to use "transparent"..... You are killing your player base one silly change at a time. THAT is the bottom line.

CCP Surge C C P C C P Alliance 77	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:35:53 - [417] - Quote Porucznik Borewicz wrote: OK, so after an actual elite PVP fleet I have some more feedback regarding the new overview icons / brackets. Apart from the fact that the drones Xes need to come back, because the new icons look just silly and clutter the view anyway, there is one major issue with the new icons - they are unreadable when no standings / background colours are set towards a neutral player you are fighting. Stuff just looks too much the same. And the more things you have on your OV the more you are screwed. The new icons are OK-ish in a way. You could get used to them. We just need a more "at a glance" way to tell the player controlled ships in space. Like a colour maybe. Making the player ships green for instance would help me a lot. And I bet a lot of colour blind people would also welcome the option to change player ships colour. Right now, everything on the OV that is not a waypoint object (stargate, station) has the same colour. The other way would be reverting the old brackets for player ships. TL;DR: Let me change the player controlled ships icons colour and it will be much better. Hey, thanks for sharing your experience. And keeping in mind color blindness :) I agree NPC distinction is rather nuanced with the new icon set - NPC icons have a faint inner fill compared to players ships. We also color hostile NPCs red by default, but we don't allow players to change this, or set any color for the icons themselves besides background and colortags. Anyone else think a custom "icon color" would be a good option to expose to aid in situational awareness?

Ripblade Falconpunch Centurion Logistics 142	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:35:59 - [418] - Quote CCP Surge wrote: Also to address some of the concerns voiced, our overall aim was not to change the old icons just for the sake of something new or because we thought they weren't working, but to provide better granularity and at-a-glance awareness of the objects on grid. We've taken seriously the calls to include a "use classic bracket icons" option. Originally we thought having two sets of icons in the client might just cause confusion and miscommunication among players, and tough learning/teaching decisions for newbros as well as vets welcoming them in. However these concerns might be overblown, especially in regards to little bracket icons. In any case its definitely a debate worth having. [/list] Thanks for reading! Well, it didn't work because I have no idea what I'm looking at. I'm curious as to what your thought process was in going live in the current state, especially after the massive outpouring of bad feedback from SiSi. A classic bracket icons option would be fantastic. That way, everyone is happy regardless of what side of the new icon debate you fall on. You said your new icons improve "granularity" and make it easier to take everything in at a glance, and apparently the bulk of 20 pages of customer responses disagree. This way, we all go home happy.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11199	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:36:32 - [419] - Quote CCP Surge wrote: Also to address some of the concerns voiced, our overall aim was not to change the old icons just for the sake of something new or because we thought they weren't working, but to provide better granularity and at-a-glance awareness of the objects on grid. Personally, that was unnecessary, the UI already gave more than enough information for us to do what we wanted to do. This new scheme is a messy clutter. I was just in a fight in providence and it was awful, I turned my brackets off and if I could have turned the overview icons off too I would have. Quote: We've taken seriously the calls to include a "use classic bracket icons" option. Originally we thought having two sets of icons in the client might just cause confusion and miscommunication among players, and tough learning/teaching decisions for newbros as well as vets welcoming them in. However these concerns might be overblown, especially in regards to little bracket icons. In any case its definitely a debate worth having. [/list] Thanks for reading! This part is, again, the only thing that give me some hope here. The new icons aren't a "shoot the monument and unsubscribe" issue, but they do lessen my enjoyment of EVE Online. The old icons were not perfect, but they were simple (Spartan even) and I think you'll find a good few of us player like that aspect of a thing...which is why were playing EVE Online in the 1st pace lol.
Nemesis DCC Dead Crow Cult 0	Posted - 2015.06.02 21:36:43 - [420] - Quote Sissy Fuzz wrote: Nemesis DCC wrote: Sissy Fuzz wrote: Nemesis DCC wrote: Is there a way to fix the launcher not and game not responding issue? Seems to have utterly failed to launch the game since the new release! Hate to ask: Have you tried rebooting? Yes I have tried. Just nothing seems to work. The game starts and just goes to Not Responding Mode. Then the launcher follows. Everything was fine until Carnyx!! Run the launcher and try clearing the cache. Under Advanced tab use 'Clear all cached data'. If that doesn't work run the 'EVE Repair Tool' on the same tab. /Sissy F The repair toold brings an error message. I cleared the cache. Now the launcher won't start LOL I will just download and reinstall the whole game I reckon. See how that goes.



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