Wow.

Just wow.

So CCP knew their UI scaler was unable to scale pixel-sharp objects properly and yet considered it a good idea to push the new icons through?

CCP, have a long hard look at the old icons - the reason why nobody complained about how they looked, scaled or not, was that whoever designed them actually considered what your scaler could and couldn't do (I can't believe they would have been so cleverly designed just by coincidence). The shapes were chosen (and implemented) so that they would scale acceptably even with a crappy scaler.

THIS ALONE IS A REASON GOOD ENOUGH TO REVERT BACK TO THE OLD ICONS - at least until you can improve the UI scaler so that it scales sharp pixel-sized objects properly.

Hate the new icons.

something to consider ...

the reaction time of the human eye is limited. the old icons were easy on the eyes as far as reaction time is concerned. when you introduce multiple shapes into a visual environment where reaction time is critical, you reduce the speed at which the human brain reacts, thusly reducing the speed in which it takes the human brain to send a command to the hand to "click".

the old icons allowed a simple and basic instruction set for the eyes to react upon. uniformity provided ease in that reaction time. the player knows exactly what theyre going to do based on uniformity of a set of given shapes.

the new icons reduce eye to brain to hand reaction time due to the increased number of shapes introduced into the visual environment. this causes delays, pause for the brain to think, confusion in the brain causes the hand to delay waiting for a commmand from the brain, which is awaiting the reaction from the eye.

multiple shapes in the visual environment where speed is a crucial factor can, and does, cause eye strain, delayed reaction, reduced thought processing, stress, fatigue ... and all of this can create anger since the mind desires speed and is not obtaining that speed.

introducing multiple non-colored shapes into the visual environment where speed is a crucial factor DOES reduce reaction time since the human brain sometimes doesnt retain in memory too many shapes being delivered through the eyes at one single moment.

proven, large scale pvp is a pain in the arse - too many shapes being introduced in the overview causing confusion and delays in reaction time. the simplicity was removed, complexity was added, thusly the end result is going to be frustration and anger, not pleasure and acceptance.

multiple shapes in a visual environment where reaction time is not a factor is easily processed in the brain ... but again, when reaction timing is critical, those same shapes will cause a slowdown in reaction time.

this entire thread is about frustration, dislike, hatred, and confusion as to why this is being added and that it should be removed.

yay groovy someone got paid to create a bunch of things they thought was going to be cool ... what has happened is something entirely different due to ignorance and a lack of consideration.

what is going to happen here, is people WILL quit this game due to the fact that the human body can only process so much and to introduce factors that exceed that processing ability, you create a negative reaction in the mind. create a negative reaction in peoples minds and people walk away. they might not really want to, but they will.

24h since last login...
hey look a new patch, hmm no info on when u can switch back to the old icons so i can play again...

i check back in tomorrow again, i guess i check whats on sale on steam while I wait.

something to consider ...

the reaction time of the human eye is limited. the old icons were easy on the eyes as far as reaction time is concerned. when you introduce multiple shapes into a visual environment where reaction time is critical, you reduce the speed at which the human brain reacts, thusly reducing the speed in which it takes the human brain to send a command to the hand to "click".

the old icons allowed a simple and basic instruction set for the eyes to react upon. uniformity provided ease in that reaction time. the player knows exactly what theyre going to do based on uniformity of a set of given shapes.

the new icons reduce eye to brain to hand reaction time due to the increased number of shapes introduced into the visual environment. this causes delays, pause for the brain to think, confusion in the brain causes the hand to delay waiting for a commmand from the brain, which is awaiting the reaction from the eye.

multiple shapes in the visual environment where speed is a crucial factor can, and does, cause eye strain, delayed reaction, reduced thought processing, stress, fatigue ... and all of this can create anger since the mind desires speed and is not obtaining that speed.

introducing multiple non-colored shapes into the visual environment where speed is a crucial factor DOES reduce reaction time since the human brain sometimes doesnt retain in memory too many shapes being delivered through the eyes at one single moment.

proven, large scale pvp is a pain in the arse - too many shapes being introduced in the overview causing confusion and delays in reaction time. the simplicity was removed, complexity was added, thusly the end result is going to be frustration and anger, not pleasure and acceptance.

multiple shapes in a visual environment where reaction time is not a factor is easily processed in the brain ... but again, when reaction timing is critical, those same shapes will cause a slowdown in reaction time.

this entire thread is about frustration, dislike, hatred, and confusion as to why this is being added and that it should be removed.

yay groovy someone got paid to create a bunch of things they thought was going to be cool ... what has happened is something entirely different due to ignorance and a lack of consideration.

what is going to happen here, is people WILL quit this game due to the fact that the human body can only process so much and to introduce factors that exceed that processing ability, you create a negative reaction in the mind. create a negative reaction in peoples minds and people walk away. they might not really want to, but they will.

Yes.

I'd also like to be able to colour code it and colour code the dscanner read out :)
It would also help immensely if the chat windows could be border-less (so that only the actual text in would take up space) and some other other solution to displaying who's in them could be found.

For God's sake new icons are something very terrible.

They are confusing, a frigate is like an old beacon, a destroyer like an empty wreck. The wreck icon (looted and not looted) is something just very ugly and not easy to understand at a first sight. The old system was working great giving all the information we needed. Now is a big mess. Especially for people involved in PvP.

I will not play until this stupid thing is fixed. Otherwise bye bye Eve

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icons are bad very very bad i cant recognize ships and structures

The 90% scaling problem is engine-level. It's particularly blatant when scaling single-pixel wide strokes as in the new icons.
In the end we support "UI scaling" functionality to some extent, but don't have the proper tech in place to make the experience feel great at anything other than 100% at the moment.

So,

Being playing pretty much solidly since icon-gate was released, determined to give it the best shot, the best benefit of the doubt possible.

Firstly, I'd like to thank the art department for conceptually trying to improve the game for all of our benefit.

In reality, however, it just hasn't worked - the icons dilute to such a degree the immediacy of the information the old icons provided to a point that makes the game that much worse to play.

Please revert.

[quote=Joia Crenca]

Thanks for responding!

I'm also curious to hear more from, and maybe wasn't aware of how many users played with a 90% downscaled UI (as opposed to scaling up for accessibility reasons.) What are your reasons for doing so?

i want the old icons back,

im afraid since the majority of the community is saying the same. ccp has put on the wall module and are no longer paying any attention to this thread.

I cannot believe that my gaming community is being so ridiculous about the new icons. They are a great idea and I personally think they look awesome.