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ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:20:08 -
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Yaasmine wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:Yaasmine wrote:sero Hita wrote:ViolentDesire wrote: The issue was if they wanted to know. They dont. If they did, they could find out. This is in line with refusing to discuss in the 300 page thread.
Well, not really. It would be hard to know what people really want from that vote. Most likely only the ones strongly for or against would vote. The ones who don't care and will not leave the game if it is implemented, would most likely not vote. As the ones that don't care counts in CCPs favor regarding implementing SP trading (As they are not against and would not leave), you would bias the survey. By omitting the ones who don't care if it is implemented, the people against it would end up as overrepresentated. It would be %con vs. %pro, instead of the more relevant %con vs. %pro + %neutral. I understand why you woul want that as it is biased in your favour, but scientific it is not. This is of course without considering how ridiculous it would be to get everyone to vote for something this small. and including how many people have alts that would use the alts to gain more votes for their opinion That would be irrelevant given that reddit is used to argue this being supported. But if that was a concern, CCP could likely filter out a significant number of alts. or. CCP could look at Reddit, see how many more upvoted than downvoted. they could compare these numbers to facebook, how many likes it recieved.
Or they could send an eve mail and take part in the discussion and maybe offer a compromise. They selectively use the sources that support their position and ignore everything else. |
Yaasmine
Touch of Death
8
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:22:50 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:
Or they could send an eve mail and take part in the discussion and maybe offer a compromise. They selectively use the sources that support their position and ignore everything else.
LOL sendd an EVE mail, and then read EVERY SINGLE RESPONSE.
RIP THE INTERNS. THEY NEVER HAD A CHANCE.
they did make this thread to discuss comprises (of which the ones said were limiting to a few per 6 months, or capping out at a level of SP, or keeping for new player tutorials.)
but. the thread had negative nancy doomcallers who flooded it with spam calls of greed, end of the game, and corruption.
so they likely decided "its the same 5 people spamming over and over. lets just go to other sources that don't have someone's finger on the copy paste key"
after all, its hard to have a conversation to reach a compromise when theres a 3rd person throwing crap at you in between each line of dialogue |
ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:25:46 -
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Yaasmine wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:sero Hita wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:
That would be irrelevant given that reddit is used to argue this being supported. But if that was a concern, CCP could likely filter out a significant number of alts.
yes, but the silent minority who would not care or be against, would not vote. They would count as pro SP trading (they are not against), from CCPs point of view. If they did the vote like you say, they fix their own survey against themselves. Who would do that? I disagree with that assessment. It is more honest than reddit. We also dont know how many would vote, it might result in a clear yes/no. instead of putting it in 1 place(IE in game), they can get the feeling from people who are considering playing as well(potential new players) and people who may be inactive (cause skill que online only needs you to log in once a month)and active players. there are college courses for polling methods. go take one =/ reddit says 88-92% support similar number of likes on facebook to reddit and videos talking about it that support it get 92% likes to dislikes. so 92% support. Skill Injector is approved
It is reasonable to ask the current players. The reason they dont is because they likely know already. Facebook and reddit upvote pretty much anything.
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:27:34 -
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ViolentDesire wrote: Disagree. But even if it did, it would be better than what we have now. So it comes back not wanting to know. Probably because they do "know".
You can disagree all you want, it does not invalidate my point. And a faulty survey is faulty. There is no "better than what we have now", there is only reliable data and unreliable data. Your survey would paint a wrong picture of the truth, hence has no value.
But I agree with you, that they don't want to know. Like I wrote. I think it is fine though, that they put up the small play, for the people in the community who needs to feel like their voice is important enough to be heard.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:27:36 -
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Yaasmine wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:
Or they could send an eve mail and take part in the discussion and maybe offer a compromise. They selectively use the sources that support their position and ignore everything else.
LOL sendd an EVE mail, and then read EVERY SINGLE RESPONSE. RIP THE INTERNS. THEY NEVER HAD A CHANCE. they did make this thread to discuss comprises (of which the ones said were limiting to a few per 6 months, or capping out at a level of SP, or keeping for new player tutorials.) but. the thread had negative nancy doomcallers who flooded it with spam calls of greed, end of the game, and corruption. so they likely decided "its the same 5 people spamming over and over. lets just go to other sources that don't have someone's finger on the copy paste key" after all, its hard to have a conversation to reach a compromise when theres a 3rd person throwing crap at you in between each line of dialogue
No, it would contain a link to a page where people could vote.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1882
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:29:44 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:It is reasonable to ask the current players. They did ask back in October.
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Yaasmine
Touch of Death
10
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:33:33 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:Yaasmine wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:sero Hita wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:
That would be irrelevant given that reddit is used to argue this being supported. But if that was a concern, CCP could likely filter out a significant number of alts.
yes, but the silent minority who would not care or be against, would not vote. They would count as pro SP trading (they are not against), from CCPs point of view. If they did the vote like you say, they fix their own survey against themselves. Who would do that? I disagree with that assessment. It is more honest than reddit. We also dont know how many would vote, it might result in a clear yes/no. instead of putting it in 1 place(IE in game), they can get the feeling from people who are considering playing as well(potential new players) and people who may be inactive (cause skill que online only needs you to log in once a month)and active players. there are college courses for polling methods. go take one =/ reddit says 88-92% support similar number of likes on facebook to reddit and videos talking about it that support it get 92% likes to dislikes. so 92% support. Skill Injector is approved It is reasonable to ask the current players. The reason they dont is because they likely know already. Facebook and reddit upvote pretty much anything. THEY DID ASK CURRENT PLAYERS
fanfest was positive to it. they announced it on main page and launcher. plus made this thread (but thread died to 5 people spamming doomcry an corruption insults over and over and over)
there are massive EVE communities on reddit. who are also current players. (and they don't upvote anything. trust me. go tell Wargaming to nerf the IS-3 in WoT on reddit and get ready for a hellstorm to come your way)
facebook has more social communities, which are major for spread the word to people who might not notice the above ways. and has current players
youtube is the biggest form of advertisement honestly, and lets people converse in different styles. and the videos i've seen explaining it (i just post my favorite) all have vast supporting statistics.
the difference between reddit, facebook, youtube, and the forums. is reddit, facebook, and youtube have more people who notice them.
and remember. skill que online only requires you to log in once per month (or 3 months) so you'll get more peoples attention from reddit, youtube, and facebook. than you would if you ask in game where people aren't even undocking or logging in because the skill que to use something is weeks or months long.
CCP wants people to PLAY. undock and PLAY
they don't want people to sub, and then leave an forget because skill que online doesn't encourage people to log on.
and remember. fanfest was largely positive to it. |
ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:33:44 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:It is reasonable to ask the current players. They did ask back in October.
Our conversation is over. It is implied that the "answer" they get should be able to affect the decision. It is unlikely that it ever could. |
Yaasmine
Touch of Death
10
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:36:42 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:It is reasonable to ask the current players. They did ask back in October. Our conversation is over. It is implied that the "answer" they get should be able to affect the decision. It is unlikely that it ever could. it did affect the descision
for higher total SP captains. they now get more SP from injectors than was originally planned. why? because alot of PLAYERS wanted it that way |
ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:37:15 -
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sero Hita wrote:ViolentDesire wrote: Disagree. But even if it did, it would be better than what we have now. So it comes back not wanting to know. Probably because they do "know".
You can disagree all you want, it does not invalidate my point. And a faulty survey is faulty. There is no "better than what we have now", there is only reliable data and unreliable data. Your survey would paint a wrong picture of the truth, hence has no value.
It is not impossible to have a poll on this. It does not have to be perfect.
I would prefer if they took part in the discussion and argued their positions. I remember at least a few solid points from the previous thread that deserved a reply.
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Suede
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:38:25 -
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sero Hita wrote:ViolentDesire wrote: Disagree. But even if it did, it would be better than what we have now. So it comes back not wanting to know. Probably because they do "know".
You can disagree all you want, it does not invalidate my point. And a faulty survey is faulty. There is no "better than what we have now", there is only reliable data and unreliable data. Your survey would paint a wrong picture of the truth, hence has no value. But I agree with you, that they don't want to know. Like I wrote. I think it is fine though, that they put up the small play, for the people in the community who needs to feel like their voice is important enough to be heard.
people have been playing since alpha/beta and the old vet do have the right to say what they feel as they had to wait out many months to train skills. we all have the right to say our views to CCP if they read them
Always have been a done deal from the word go. not sure if you have alts just sero Hita kinda a new toon 2015 |
ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:39:56 -
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Yaasmine wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:It is reasonable to ask the current players. They did ask back in October. Our conversation is over. It is implied that the "answer" they get should be able to affect the decision. It is unlikely that it ever could. it did affect the descision for higher total SP captains. they now get more SP from injectors than was originally planned. why? because alot of PLAYERS wanted it that way
I don't see how that conclusion could have been reached based on that thread. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1882
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:40:56 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:It is reasonable to ask the current players. They did ask back in October. Our conversation is over. It is implied that the "answer" they get should be able to affect the decision. It is unlikely that it ever could. The answer did affect the decision, as shown by changes in the details of the plan. That's not the same as deferring the decision to a popular vote.
ViolentDesire wrote:I don't see how that conclusion could have been reached based on that thread. Then you didn't read as much as others did and missed those claiming the plan did too much to disenfranchise older players with the high SP penalties. |
Yaasmine
Touch of Death
10
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:41:46 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:sero Hita wrote:ViolentDesire wrote: Disagree. But even if it did, it would be better than what we have now. So it comes back not wanting to know. Probably because they do "know".
You can disagree all you want, it does not invalidate my point. And a faulty survey is faulty. There is no "better than what we have now", there is only reliable data and unreliable data. Your survey would paint a wrong picture of the truth, hence has no value. It is not impossible to have a poll on this. It does not have to be perfect. I would prefer if they took part in the discussion and argued their positions. I remember at least a few solid points from the previous thread that deserved a reply. this is a poll http://i.imgur.com/lgXNmsG.png
a poll that is 92% positive to it
this is also a poll http://i.imgur.com/o1k1Pxs.png
that is 88% positive to it
this is also a poll http://i.imgur.com/Rflvo75.png
that is 92% positive to it
you know what a poll is right? it doesnt need to be on EVE's main page. because not many visit the main page. or read the launcher.
and people who CARE about the topic, have gone to these. and voted.
they not hard to find. just type eve skill injector to google. |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:46:18 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:
I would prefer if they took part in the discussion and argued their positions. I remember at least a few solid points from the previous thread that deserved a reply.
I agree on this part. Personally I can understand though how one can loose the motivation to answer (also the very good points), when you see the tone in which some people reply. It is not optimal to ignore the threads, but I do understand it from CCPs point of view, when you are just trying to do your job, and is met with sometimes extreme negativity.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:49:34 -
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Yaasmine wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:sero Hita wrote:ViolentDesire wrote: Disagree. But even if it did, it would be better than what we have now. So it comes back not wanting to know. Probably because they do "know".
You can disagree all you want, it does not invalidate my point. And a faulty survey is faulty. There is no "better than what we have now", there is only reliable data and unreliable data. Your survey would paint a wrong picture of the truth, hence has no value. It is not impossible to have a poll on this. It does not have to be perfect. I would prefer if they took part in the discussion and argued their positions. I remember at least a few solid points from the previous thread that deserved a reply. this is a poll http://i.imgur.com/lgXNmsG.png a poll that is 92% positive to it this is also a poll http://i.imgur.com/o1k1Pxs.png that is 88% positive to it this is also a poll http://i.imgur.com/Rflvo75.png that is 92% positive to it you know what a poll is right? it doesnt need to be on EVE's main page. because not many visit the main page. or read the launcher. and people who CARE about the topic, have gone to these. and voted. they not hard to find. just type eve skill injector to google.
Anyone can upvote on reddit. If the accuracy of the poll is of any concern, Reddit is invalid by default. Unless there is massive confirmation bias.
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Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:50:33 -
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Rat Scout wrote:They have a name for the in-game item to utilize this feature, it will happen. Resistance is futile.
+1 CCP
ps: Can I have your (skillpoint-)stuff?
just like I said before, kick the dead horse a few more times, contract me your stuff and say hello to SP packs |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:50:44 -
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Yaasmine wrote:this is a poll http://i.imgur.com/lgXNmsG.png a poll that is 92% positive to it this is also a poll http://i.imgur.com/o1k1Pxs.png that is 88% positive to it this is also a poll http://i.imgur.com/Rflvo75.png that is 92% positive to it you know what a poll is right? it doesnt need to be on EVE's main page. because not many visit the main page. or read the launcher. (even less when u remember SKILL QUE ONLINE ONLY NEEDS YOU MONTHLY) and people who CARE about the topic, have gone to these. and voted. they not hard to find. just type eve skill injector to google.
these surveys have very small sample sizes though, and seems hardly representative of the community. I would be very carefull with interpreting too much from these.
^edit- Plus if you can vote more times, it really becomes dangerous to interprete considering only 200-300 people voted in some of these.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Yaasmine
Touch of Death
10
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:51:04 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:Yaasmine wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:sero Hita wrote:ViolentDesire wrote: Disagree. But even if it did, it would be better than what we have now. So it comes back not wanting to know. Probably because they do "know".
You can disagree all you want, it does not invalidate my point. And a faulty survey is faulty. There is no "better than what we have now", there is only reliable data and unreliable data. Your survey would paint a wrong picture of the truth, hence has no value. It is not impossible to have a poll on this. It does not have to be perfect. I would prefer if they took part in the discussion and argued their positions. I remember at least a few solid points from the previous thread that deserved a reply. this is a poll http://i.imgur.com/lgXNmsG.png a poll that is 92% positive to it this is also a poll http://i.imgur.com/o1k1Pxs.png that is 88% positive to it this is also a poll http://i.imgur.com/Rflvo75.png that is 92% positive to it you know what a poll is right? it doesnt need to be on EVE's main page. because not many visit the main page. or read the launcher. and people who CARE about the topic, have gone to these. and voted. they not hard to find. just type eve skill injector to google. Anyone can upvote on reddit. If the accuracy of the poll is of any concern, Reddit is invalid by default. Unless there is massive confirmation bias.
which is why you use MULTIPLE sources
reddit, facebook, various youtube videos, fanfest.
all positive. |
ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:52:55 -
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sero Hita wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:
I would prefer if they took part in the discussion and argued their positions. I remember at least a few solid points from the previous thread that deserved a reply.
I agree on this part. Personally I can understand though how one can loose the motivation to answer (also the very good points), when you see the tone in which some people reply. It is not optimal to ignore the threads, but I do understand it from CCPs point of view, when you are just trying to do your job, and is met with sometimes extreme negativity.
By ignoring the thread, they arguably caused that themselves. I thought it was more civil than many shitstorms in the past. |
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ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:55:23 -
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Yaasmine wrote: which is why you use MULTIPLE sources
reddit, facebook, various youtube videos, fanfest.
all positive.
There is a difference in relevance. Voting should primarily be based on a valid eve account. Accuracy is clearly not a concern if those are the sources they have. |
Suede
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:56:05 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:sero Hita wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:
I would prefer if they took part in the discussion and argued their positions. I remember at least a few solid points from the previous thread that deserved a reply.
I agree on this part. Personally I can understand though how one can loose the motivation to answer (also the very good points), when you see the tone in which some people reply. It is not optimal to ignore the threads, but I do understand it from CCPs point of view, when you are just trying to do your job, and is met with sometimes extreme negativity. By ignoring the thread, they arguably caused that themselves. I thought it was more civil than many shitstorms in the past.
CCP is at fault even dev don't even reply to the dev blog. we are going to be down this road again when CCP tell us the cost of them which is going to be funny again as going to get more Negs again |
Yaasmine
Touch of Death
10
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Posted - 2016.01.27 22:06:02 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:Yaasmine wrote: which is why you use MULTIPLE sources
reddit, facebook, various youtube videos, fanfest.
all positive.
There is a difference in relevance. Voting should primarily be based on a valid eve account. Accuracy is clearly not a concern if those are the sources they have. valid eve accounts
aka, alts
which also fails to take the opinion of potential future players. or players who are taking a break from EVE
OR PLAYERS WHO AREN'T LOGGING ON CAUSE SKILL QUE ONLINE ONLY NEEDS THEM ONCE A MONTH |
ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2016.01.27 22:23:22 -
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Yaasmine wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:Yaasmine wrote: which is why you use MULTIPLE sources
reddit, facebook, various youtube videos, fanfest.
all positive.
There is a difference in relevance. Voting should primarily be based on a valid eve account. Accuracy is clearly not a concern if those are the sources they have. valid eve accounts aka, alts which also fails to take the opinion of potential future players. or players who are taking a break from EVE OR PLAYERS WHO AREN'T LOGGING ON CAUSE SKILL QUE ONLINE ONLY NEEDS THEM ONCE A MONTH
if they can ban "every" account that a botter owns, they can certainly filter this. Even if they didnt, it would be much better than reddit/facebook where everyone can vote. |
Yaasmine
Touch of Death
10
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Posted - 2016.01.27 22:24:50 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:Yaasmine wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:Yaasmine wrote: which is why you use MULTIPLE sources
reddit, facebook, various youtube videos, fanfest.
all positive.
There is a difference in relevance. Voting should primarily be based on a valid eve account. Accuracy is clearly not a concern if those are the sources they have. valid eve accounts aka, alts which also fails to take the opinion of potential future players. or players who are taking a break from EVE OR PLAYERS WHO AREN'T LOGGING ON CAUSE SKILL QUE ONLINE ONLY NEEDS THEM ONCE A MONTH If they can ban "every" account that a botter owns, they can certainly filter this. Even if they didnt, it would be much better than reddit/facebook where everyone can vote. potential future players are needed
and again, skill que online is not a good way to get people's attention
3rd party sites that people ACTUALLY FREQUENT is better than the EVE site or in game where skill que online means people don't log in often. |
saltrock0000
DottCom
118
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Posted - 2016.01.27 22:29:12 -
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Just read the upcomming patch notes and where I agree about the diminishing returns in regards SP I think there should be a addition.
When removing SP and then reapplying it to the same character you should get 100% of the SP removed and not a diminishing amount. This would allow people to get rid of unwanted skills and reapply the SP more appropriatly. Keep the diminishing returns from SP from other sources, but not form the same character.
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2016.01.27 22:35:07 -
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ViolentDesire wrote: By ignoring the thread, they arguably caused that themselves. I thought it was more civil than many shitstorms in the past.
Well, a lot of people were plainly rejecting the idea. Some were threatening to unsup. Some of the posters, like Suede (in this thread) got stuck in 2011, and are passive agressively threatening CCP that this will end like the summer of rage, eventhough it is pretty clear that ship has sailed. Do you honestly think this is constructive and worth listening to? The only thing that could have lend you the ears of the devs, would have been an discussion on how to adjust their current idea, so it is easier for some to swallow. But that did not happen. Rejecting an idea or wanting a rollback (like the new overviewicons) is not civil, but quite aggressive, like all ultimatums are.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2016.01.27 22:37:51 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:Just read the upcomming patch notes and where I agree about the diminishing returns in regards SP I think there should be a addition.
When removing SP and then reapplying it to the same character you should get 100% of the SP removed and not a diminishing amount. This would allow people to get rid of unwanted skills and reapply the SP more appropriatly. Keep the diminishing returns from SP from other sources, but not form the same character.
I am actually okay with that re-skilling would be with dimissive returns, choices and consequences etc.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2016.01.27 22:46:18 -
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Yaasmine wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:Yaasmine wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:Yaasmine wrote: which is why you use MULTIPLE sources
reddit, facebook, various youtube videos, fanfest.
all positive.
There is a difference in relevance. Voting should primarily be based on a valid eve account. Accuracy is clearly not a concern if those are the sources they have. valid eve accounts aka, alts which also fails to take the opinion of potential future players. or players who are taking a break from EVE OR PLAYERS WHO AREN'T LOGGING ON CAUSE SKILL QUE ONLINE ONLY NEEDS THEM ONCE A MONTH If they can ban "every" account that a botter owns, they can certainly filter this. Even if they didnt, it would be much better than reddit/facebook where everyone can vote. potential future players are needed and again, skill que online is not a good way to get people's attention 3rd party sites that people ACTUALLY FREQUENT is better than the EVE site or in game where skill que online means people don't log in often. as only people who frequent eve site or online are likely people who have SP already. and thus wouldnt benefit much from this.
Reddit is mostly goons + some other alliances that are over enthusiastic about eve. Everybody with an eve account has an email registered with it. There is clearly more accuracy there.
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ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2016.01.27 23:01:46 -
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sero Hita wrote:ViolentDesire wrote: By ignoring the thread, they arguably caused that themselves. I thought it was more civil than many shitstorms in the past.
Well, a lot of people were plainly rejecting the idea. Some were threatening to unsup. Some of the posters, like Suede (in this thread) got stuck in 2011, and are passive agressively threatening CCP that this will end like the summer of rage, eventhough it is pretty clear that ship has sailed. Do you honestly think this is constructive and worth listening to?
The rejection is the reason they should discuss. The problem with "constructive" is that it is often used to dismiss strong arguments. I doubt anybody expected CCP to reply to every post.
Quote:The only thing that could have lend you the ears of the devs, would have been an discussion on how to adjust their current idea, so it is easier for some to swallow. But that did not happen. Rejecting an idea or wanting a rollback (like the new overviewicons) is not civil, but quite aggressive, like all ultimatums are.
It is possible that people didnt want it, and that must be a valid opinion. Its ultimately on CCP to offer a compromise, but the relevant dev didnt post once.
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