We can already do that because of the last stupid feature the SP extractor. A suicide ganker has a very limited set of kills he needs. Once that is trained up you can simply extract and sell the excess SP to get the next PLEX. I reduced my subscriptions from 3 to 1 and have now 4 account, 3 of them get PLEXed this way.

So looks like you once again make a drama about nothing.

Quality product almost always sells.
Why not focus all these efforts on making the product better, rather than simply opening up more avenues to selling it?
Work on the NPE driving players to seek other players.
Throw a bone to the veteran, persistent subscribers, and soon.

The complaint that I don't get here is the 'oh god we're going to be overrun by kiddies and gold sellers and bots.' Uhm, this isn't the type of game that is likely to attract or retain kiddies

Was a reply to someone request cyno be added to list of skill ...read the posts...Sheesh

- Can only use ships to run level 2 missions? Buy a PLEX with $ and get more ISK!
- Only extremely slow SP accumulation? Buy more PLEX with $ and get more SP!
- Only crappy ships and modules? Pay 15$ a month to access all the other toys!
- Paid those 15$ and now you need even more SP and ISK? Get some more PLEX for $!!!
This just looks really horrible for a new player

Okay, so what happens when you need to evac your stuff from a pos/Citadel. But then you cant fly your x ship.
Or your in a super, but only you cant jump and you cant pay a sub because x problem?
Alternatively, your a new player who can no longer afford to sub after 4 months of subbed play, now all your skills are gone and your back to square one?

Don't feel bad, seems most of us missed it too.

What?

Wow, you are going run missions and mine for years. Holy Hell I can't think of anything more depressing.

Cause farming HS is everything in Eve.

The more i ponder this the more I am left with one bad feeling:

I pay for this game, a monthly fee of 10-15$ a month. The wonder of EvE is that at any moment I can lose everything that I have built up. However I am losing it to someone who is my equal - someone who has paid and built up their version of the game. So in a sense we are equals.

Now we are going to have a new class of folks, those that have invested nothing in to the game, paid not a nickle, and they potentially could have the same effect of destroying all that someone has built up and actually paid for. That to me does not seem 'fair'.

In every other MMO you don't lose your stuff when you die. You simply re spawn and move on, maybe pay a repair bill to take the damage out or refresh your armor. EvE is that unique and wondrous thing where dying has consequences.

Not that I should be stupid and carry everything in a T1 hauler, but there are those out there that do that. The more I think about it the more these accounts MUST be restricted in high sec. They cannot be allowed to gank, period.

I can justify dying to another sub, because we both have 'real isk', on the line. But dying to someone who has not paid a penny just simply does not seem fair.

I also have concerns about how they can be used in some of the war dec corps. Abuse of war dec to gain "ganking" access will be something CCP has to think long and hard about. We want newbro's to join corps, but to allow them to be abused by people who use VPN or other technologies and open up dozens of gank alts, this is where there is going to be a problem, I am not sure CCP has the technology or the staff levels to monitor and ensure that this is policed and does not become an issue.

I think those that wish to have the full pirate/gank experience should have to pay for it like I do. Failing to restrict these accounts from ganking will I believe be the nail in the coffin of this game, as many players I have spoken to are feeling this right now, we paid for a game, now someone can come in for 'free' and potentially destroy all that we have built, but never pay a cent or invest in EvE's future.

Just because I send silly amounts of money to this game whenever I look at it sideways doesn't mean I think everyone should - or can. Free play means more people to kill and buy my crap! Yay! I doubt I will even bother owning an alpha unless maybe an extra scout or something.

What I'm most worried about is the scenario where a pile of curious Alpha State newbies show up and are promptly sent running in tears for the exit by the terminally awful NPE, as happened with previous influxes (This Is Eve, etc).

What is CCP doing to improve this situation?

I think I get your point although I'm not sure if using word "fair" was a best choice here...... It is EvE after all, I thought the lack of any "fairness" was one of main selling points here?

Idea...

Limit Alpha clones to High and Low security space. Only let the Alpha clones set safety to red if they are in Low Sec. If in High Sec, the safety is set to green/yellow..

yeah tell that to SWOTR.... god that game went down hill

Ill try to dumb it down for you..

In P2W games they have a system in which free players are no more than sheep...that is they are basically there for P2W players to farm. That intentional mechanic provides content for P2W players and acts as an incentive to "buy in". Eve has no such mechanic because players are protected by concord. There has never been a reason to have such a system in Eve. So a free player in Eve can literally farm for an infinite amount of time and as long as they dont leave high sec be mostly protected from being farmed themselves.


You really should undock more. There are people in Eve that do nothing but mine for 8-12 hours a days for years on end. And there will be players doing every faucet of PVE like that. And Eve players arent even close to what free play will bring in. Your going to see farmers on a whole new level. Farmers that will keep ratting, mining, and running sites like little lemmings despite the obstacles you put in their way.

You think Eve PVERs are bad you havent seen anything yet, Wait till you get a load of the F2P crowd.


For some people mining in high sec is enough. Not everyone requires the same level of entertainment. Just like some people can sit on the front porch for hours and be entertained by the nothingness that happens in front of their house.

CCP dev posted earlier that NPE will be getting an overhaul.

For any potential veteran / returnee - this is not f2p, this is completely pointless (they can at best "retry" the game on some fresh alt)

A long-time player who's been unsubscribed could log back on to their existing character in the Alpha clone state and play the game that way for a while, reconnect socially, and maybe buy a PLEX in-game or pay for a subscription if something exciting happens or they decide it's worth it, and drop back to free play when things slow down for them.

A veteran player who's paying monthly now but has to take a month or two away from serious Eve play for personal reasons could end their subscription but still log on occasionally to stay involved, then resubscribe and be back where they had been when it makes sense.

A player who would love to keep playing but can't justify the subscription cost can drop back to Alpha status on their existing character and stay involved, remain connected with their corp, fly in fleets with their friends, and be under no pressure to grind out the ISK for a PLEX.

If clone states were just an extended trial, it wouldn't offer these options to veteran Eve players.

A long-time player who's been unsubscribed could log back on to their existing character in the Alpha clone state and play the game that way for a while, reconnect socially, and maybe buy a PLEX in-game or pay for a subscription if something exciting happens or they decide it's worth it, and drop back to free play when things slow down for them.

A veteran player who's paying monthly now but has to take a month or two away from serious Eve play for personal reasons could end their subscription but still log on occasionally to stay involved, then resubscribe and be back where they had been when it makes sense.

A player who would love to keep playing but can't justify the subscription cost can drop back to Alpha status on their existing character and stay involved, remain connected with their corp, fly in fleets with their friends, and be under no pressure to grind out the ISK for a PLEX.

If clone states were just an extended trial, it wouldn't offer these options to veteran Eve players.

It is this that I support 100%. During the past year and half I have had 10 weeks of chemo and a bunch of other bloody awful things happen. I did unsub for a bit, and I truly missed those friend I had in game, not being able to just stop in and say hello etc.. I still had some I could text and stuff, but it was somehow not the same.

Now that I am partially better I have resubed, however should the need arise again I may have to unsub, now I can at least come back and say hello when I am able. That is a good thing I think.

You sir are 100% correct SWTOR has become nothing but a meh game attached to a Pay Shop.

Extracting SPs from the Alpha skill set won't be allowed as the Dev Blog says:

"Currently, we are planning to require Omega state for skill extraction and also not allow the extraction of skills in the Alpha set."

A long-time player who's been unsubscribed could log back on to their existing character in the Alpha clone state and play the game that way for a while, reconnect socially, and maybe buy a PLEX in-game or pay for a subscription if something exciting happens or they decide it's worth it, and drop back to free play when things slow down for them.

A veteran player who's paying monthly now but has to take a month or two away from serious Eve play for personal reasons could end their subscription but still log on occasionally to stay involved, then resubscribe and be back where they had been when it makes sense.

A player who would love to keep playing but can't justify the subscription cost can drop back to Alpha status on their existing character and stay involved, remain connected with their corp, fly in fleets with their friends, and be under no pressure to grind out the ISK for a PLEX.

If clone states were just an extended trial, it wouldn't offer these options to veteran Eve players.

Thinking of vets and people who have since left EVE, is there any consideration to offering unsubbed accounts a week or two free when the Alpha clones take effect in November? A lot of places and companies always offer great deals and offers for newcomers, but existing customers tend to be forgotten about when it comes to promotions. Offering unsubbed accounts a free week to come back when Alpha clones get opened up might give them a chance to get their drive back, or at least hyped a bit, in a way that the Alpha restrictions wouldn't due to their likelihood of having bigger ships and different activities than what are available to Alpha characters.