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Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:01:00 - [841] Exactly. i swear if that region would belong to bob, it would be fixed on the 1st day. or even would not be broken! I think i cancel my subscription till the things would work fair. and ask all my friends do the same. maybe so we can get some attention
Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:15:00 - [842] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... the wrecks are not 'empty', you just need the right tool As i know the other commanders in other regions are also salvagable and as i mentioned they're dropping quite good loot there - not just the rig components. But i guess i should be happy that we have atleast t2 rig components now... We all know that the drone regions are intended to be hard. And it's nothing wrong with it. But seeing that next to our region with the same effort someone is making 10x more isk than us is simply annoying. And seeing it for 6 MONTHS makes us really really angry.
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:24:00 - [843] Frankly, I don't give a damn about all the people saying "OMG if it sucks move!!1" Where should we move? I hear lots of suggestions on moving, but I don't see any offers to trade places. Even regions like Pure Blind, which anyone with a brain will admit, are a fetid hole, have: Working rats Working belts Working loot I can visit any other area, get some bounties, some phat lewt, maybe some faction mods (either for huge profit or e-peen). Here, I get.... Minerals. At least the other regions have the option of refining the loot to minerals. You know what it's like to have to depend on EVERY SINGLE THING you use being built or shipped in!? Some things like trade goods for POSes, it's unavoidable, but we need to IMPORT T1 AND NAMED ITEMS. Boosted trit and pyerite will alleviate some of the issues with t1, but in the end, give 2 people 12 hours to rat, loot, and build a ship with the mods, one in any other area, and one here, and even if we allow the drone region dude to make his own stuff from the mins, his ship will be inferior, his profit from what he killed will be lower, and he needs skills and blueprints to do it. All so that some muppet with a tenth of the skills can cruise belts, pwn for bounties, and get fancy toys? Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:29:00 - [844] Yes, the trit and pye in alloys is good, but for this we need alloys, and for alloys we need rats, what is almost unpossible since tha patch http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9741/rinaldo2ir8.jpg
Manic Smile Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:45:00 - [845] Can we get a decent non-'unknown' plex please...that isn't mining either.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:51:00 - [846] Originally by: Karanth Frankly, I don't give a damn about all the people saying "OMG if it sucks move!!1" Where should we move? I hear lots of suggestions on moving, but I don't see any offers to trade places. Even regions like Pure Blind, which anyone with a brain will admit, are a fetid hole, have: Working rats Working belts Working loot I can visit any other area, get some bounties, some phat lewt, maybe some faction mods (either for huge profit or e-peen). Here, I get.... Minerals. At least the other regions have the option of refining the loot to minerals. You know what it's like to have to depend on EVERY SINGLE THING you use being built or shipped in!? Some things like trade goods for POSes, it's unavoidable, but we need to IMPORT T1 AND NAMED ITEMS. Boosted trit and pyerite will alleviate some of the issues with t1, but in the end, give 2 people 12 hours to rat, loot, and build a ship with the mods, one in any other area, and one here, and even if we allow the drone region dude to make his own stuff from the mins, his ship will be inferior, his profit from what he killed will be lower, and he needs skills and blueprints to do it. All so that some muppet with a tenth of the skills can cruise belts, pwn for bounties, and get fancy toys? I've logged in 2-3 times today to ask in alliance if the rats were spawning properly. All to a resound 'No' so off I go to play other games. As I said in a post above, CCP should just bite the bullet get rid of rogue drones and put in guristas and angels since despite having 8 months to develop and implement a solution I'm frankly sick of the inequity of the drone regions compared to other regions. Fixed? pff, Now I know how my cat felt when he got 'fixed'.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:56:00 - [847] Yes u had 8 month to fix the drone regions, and what happend? nothing or even worst now. On the place of fixing a very very important thing devs made overload and heat. a play stuff for solo or small gangs. A limited usable feature which noone would use in fleets because the lag what is not resolved either. RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE
fun q	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:30:00 - [848] CCP r wasting player's time and money now. ofcoz all game need time and money ,but (as somebody said)some make u fun ,some make u angry . they r pushing ppl make a choice (leave or stay).
Effei Gloom Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:37:00 - [849] signed - next minnie Outpost bpc me:5 available in 25 days -
RustyPwnStar	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:45:00 - [850] Edited by: RustyPwnStar on 22/06/2007 09:44:49
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:47:00 - [851] Edited by: Karanth on 22/06/2007 09:45:43 Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... the wrecks are not 'empty', you just need the right tool Hmm, not to be too flippant, but my MSN is not working ATM, anyone got a loaner I can borrow for a few minutes? Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Rusty PwnStar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:47:00 - [852] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... the wrecks are not 'empty', you just need the right tool Great response, thank you.
Disteeler Moritso Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:49:00 - [853] CCP at least give us a badge like in Star Wars Galaxies "...has lived in the New Regions against the odds thus becoming a real man" "...has cleaned the New Regions from the Drone infestation" "...has found the hidden drone graveyard" "...bears the Mark of Grand Drone Slammer" "...has mined 1000 units of tritanium from a veldspar rock" C'mon :\|
jonus Rath Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:06:00 - [854] I'm tired of the promises. More than half year passed and our home getting worst and worst while all other areas are improving. I'd better spend my next 6 months with waiting for another sci-fi mmo rather than "fixes". Looking forward to Tabula Rasa and Huxley in the first round.
Effei Gloom Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:15:00 - [855] let belt ratz drop drone capital ship bpc and all is fixed - next minnie Outpost bpc me:5 available in 25 days -
Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:15:00 - [856] One last question for a 'Designer' why are the commanders dropping T2 rig components? Because as you may know we're unable to get ANY T2 rig bpcs in the whole drone regions cuz we haven't got Archaeology sites.
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:19:00 - [857] It's becoming time to do the math on missed income again and comparing that with the revenue math from other regions, no matter how much people resent it eve in 0.0 is about regional competition and the drone regions just can't compete. That has its consequences for immersion, subscriber choices, but also in game situations and environments alike, from wars at home to conflicts elsewhere. Now, it's clear many folks feel rather frustrated, but let's keep things clear and focus on getting the situations solved, because without finally seeing resolutions to in situ structural problems and adressing the imbalance in regional competition the perspective of ghetto problems will only get reinforced, and in essence be actual rather then perceived. In a sense of income, the patch has increased the time and work requirements for generating income, while decreasing the output, and complicating that situation with bugs and unfortunately broken feature sets while the general models of feature introductions and changes is not on par with other region income models. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug

CCP LeMousse	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:21:00 - [858] Originally by: Seramyr l'Ethia Edited by: Seramyr l''Ethia on 22/06/2007 07:56:17 Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... the wrecks are not 'empty', you just need the right tool It should be mentioned that even if you salvage the wrecks, as is intended, the payoff seems to have been undervalued by CCP given the current market. My last sentient commander spawn gave me about 2-3m in rig parts, going by Jita sell orders. My first comm spawn I actually bugreported despite salvaging it, as it didn't even occur to me that that was the reward in entirety. The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. Rogue Drone Commanders will, however, also be getting non-salvaging loot in the near future. Also, the issue with NPCs is being investigated.

LvxOccvlta	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:23:00 - [859] Edited by: LvxOccvlta on 22/06/2007 10:28:52 This is like a never-ending beta. With each release it seems EVE makes more problems without addressing the problems they intended to fix. I'm convinced that CCP is now in over its head. Virtuozzo, let's move INVICTUS to Syndicate :-v
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:26:00 - [860] /me gently pokes Lemousse on source files for those brilliant sovereignty presentations ... :-) Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:40:00 - [861] Originally by: CCP LeMousse The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. That is directly dependant on the empire value of T2 rig components I'd say, if that market tanks, cool, if it doesn't, nope. That is a very vulnerable situation I'd say. Not to mention that unless this is another broken element, rogue drone commanders show up only in encounters .. not in belts .. Also, the required time to make ISK via ratting is not on par with making ISK from ratting with bounty NPC's, because of the required time to turn the drops into ISK. An argument which applies in part to bounty rats, but those, well, do carry a bounty. In the drone regions you have no choice but to return to station, invest in infrastructures for storing drops in space, etc, increasing the time-to-isk requirements. The rat spawn triggers, that is probably just a bug and it will get fixed, but I really have the idea that the drone regions design has structural issues which in the current trends and developments in eve are counterproductive for subscribers to engage in. Even if the ISK values obtainable are upped to being on par with bounty rats, it still takes a lot more time and resources. That is an imbalance. Now I won't go into the impact of all of this for alliances in the drone regions required to invest in the new sovereignty types and other Revelation 2 features which do cost bucket loads of ISK. With the incredible increase in logistics required the workload is much much higher, the income is lower and takes longer to accumulate, I think anyone can do the math there for scenarios where it comes to conflicts between inhabitants of the drone regions and bounty npc regions with an abundance of easy, flexible, multi resource type income methods available (income being both ISK and actual resources). That is a whole debate on its own. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Seramyr l'Ethia Fallen Angels Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:44:00 - [862] Originally by: CCP LeMousse The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. Rogue Drone Commanders will, however, also be getting non-salvaging loot in the near future. Also, the issue with NPCs is being investigated. Out of curiosity, could you detail what sort of metric you use to evaluate the worth of any given loot? This isn't meant to be snide or patronizing; I'm sure many of us would be interested in how the value of t2 rigs parts are measured against, say, guristas tags (dropped by comms in normal regions). The t2 rig market is stagating at the moment for a variety of reasons (and is marginalized further by half of salvage loot correlating to worthless rigs), and as demand is entirely player-driven I imagine it's hard to get a bearing on the isk conversion of loot. Good to hear it's under review, however. Danke. :) Also, quick question: At the moment, escalating waves in encounters are triggered when you kill a designated (hardcoded?) rat in the current spawn that's not visually differentiated from any other (instead of when the last rat dies). So, you could have a swarm of warp-scrambling striker alvatis spawn semi-randomly as you're still clearing the current wave. From my limited experience in normal region encounters they function differently. Is this intended, or am I merely mistaken?
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:52:00 - [863] Edited by: Rinaldo Titano on 22/06/2007 10:52:26 Originally by: CCP LeMousse -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. Rogue Drone Commanders will, however, also be getting non-salvaging loot in the near future. Also, the issue with NPCs is being investigated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. The value of rig component is dependent on market, and if it would dropped by drone commanders it would go down like Zydrine does. 2. So commanders would drop something in near future. What is by ccp a near futire, because roids should be fixed in near future after rev1 and after 8 months in rev2 are still broken. 3. I hope they investigate the NPC problem with all your power or u would somehow compensate us for this broken gametime and really tnx for the answer. was very nice from u http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9741/rinaldo2ir8.jpg
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:54:00 - [864] Originally by: LvxOccvlta Edited by: LvxOccvlta on 22/06/2007 10:28:52 This is like a never-ending beta. With each release it seems EVE makes more problems without addressing the problems they intended to fix. I'm convinced that CCP is now in over its head. Virtuozzo, let's move INVICTUS to Syndicate :-v Nah, we'll take Delve. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:00:00 - [865] Originally by: Virtuozzo Edited by: Virtuozzo on 22/06/2007 10:55:33 Originally by: LvxOccvlta Edited by: LvxOccvlta on 22/06/2007 10:28:52 This is like a never-ending beta. With each release it seems EVE makes more problems without addressing the problems they intended to fix. I'm convinced that CCP is now in over its head. Virtuozzo, let's move INVICTUS to Syndicate :-v Nah, we'll take Delve. Just filed the reimbursement petition. :P Yeah. i like delve. lets go there :)
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:02:00 - [866] I'm up for a trip, as long as I don't have to pack the sandwiches. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:02:00 - [867] Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Virtuozzo Edited by: Virtuozzo on 22/06/2007 10:55:33 Originally by: LvxOccvlta Edited by: LvxOccvlta on 22/06/2007 10:28:52 This is like a never-ending beta. With each release it seems EVE makes more problems without addressing the problems they intended to fix. I'm convinced that CCP is now in over its head. Virtuozzo, let's move INVICTUS to Syndicate :-v Nah, we'll take Delve. Just filed the reimbursement petition. :P Yeah. i like delve. lets go there :) Ack, I jsut realised, according to CAOD we already live there >.< Now, BACK ON TOPIC. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:16:00 - [868] Originally by: CCP LeMousse The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. Rogue Drone Commanders will, however, also be getting non-salvaging loot in the near future. Also, the issue with NPCs is being investigated. So the loot drops are messed up but the salvage tables are on par. But the changes to the regular loot drop from the drones has made it so that we are only getting half as much as what we used to pre-patch. The alloys were adjusted so that they give different amounts of materials when refined. CCP did a good job when they changed this because the value of the alloys themselves havent changed much. However, CCP did miss 1 very important issue. And that is in rev-2 the amount of alloys that is dropped by the drones has been cut in half. So even though CCP balanced it so that the prices of the alloys themselves wouldn't change much, they totally missed the part where the amount of alloys dropped was cut in half. Also commander/faction rats don't seem to drop more alloys than other rats. So killing a commander drone queen isnt any more profitable than killing a regular one. Unless on the off chance you find some t2 salvage. Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Disteeler Moritso Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:21:00 - [869] Edited by: Disteeler on 22/06/2007 11:20:35 Would be nice to know wich is CCP's short/long term plan for the New Regions. We are maybe moaning for something that is working as intended...like +being some kind of mineral pricing/flow/balancer/etc. developer tool?
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:22:00 - [870] CCP Also needs to look into the exploration sites. Still no hacking/archaelogy content in the drone regions. We also dont have anything for booster manufacture not even gas clouds. Another thing that happened with the exploration sites is that it seems CCP has removed *exploration sites* from the drone regions. And replaced those with encounter sites. If encounter sites are going to try to get more people interested in exploration, CCP should provide exploration content Also, the encounter site spawning needs to be looked at. Some constellations have alot of encounter sites, while others have none. Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking

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