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elise densi
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:47:05 -
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remove the damn poison called skill injectors and ur market will fix itself ! |
Cyclo Hexanol
The Dickwad Squad Rote Kapelle
66
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:48:23 -
[152] - Quote
Why not just make fighters ineffective against NPC and player subcaps? Seems like that would solve both the problem of carriers being used to over farm anoms and them being dropped on roaming gangs and solo pilots just because they cant be countered by those gangs effectively.
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Colonel Carter
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:48:37 -
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I never flown carriers but this looks like a super hardcore kitchen sink nerf to fighter abilities. Maybe make it 10% nerf instead to soften the blow?
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aussieftw
Marvinovi pratele Circle-Of-Two
16
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:48:43 -
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CCP you just making people angry, but this will not help. Your real problems are jump fatigue, fozziesov and skill injectors. Just think for few seconds about that, why you have too much isks in game and too many people with capital ships. |
Jin Booster
Invictus Origin Brothers in Arms Alliance
1
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:49:02 -
[155] - Quote
hahah funny i am done with this game |
Chance Ambramotte
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:50:05 -
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This is not a balancing adjustment. This is part of several changes that all lead to one thing: A cash grab by CCP.
The PLEX has been split into the 500 units for 1 month new dynamic. The PLEX has also replaced AURUM. Training times are extensive and the only way to get some of these skills in a timely fashion is skill injectors or ghost train. Now we nerf the primary in game cash generators into irrelevance.
All this means is if you want to have an effective pilot, buy PLEX, if you want to have time to work, shower, live and still have progress in the game buy PLEX. And so on, slowly every problem is starting to have the same solution: buy PLEX.
Soon this game will be pay to win (Buy PLEX)
This is all part of the EA Games micro transaction cancer where fun, gameplay or entertainment are all trampled in the attempt to drain the wallets of the players as fast as possible.
For the record I have only on account, and no capitol ships and do not mine.
We will see if greed will continue to reign at CCP or if they want to continue to have a game business in the near future. |
Racken Ormand
Something Something Darkside. Circle-Of-Two
8
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:50:09 -
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Shock.
i have read many of the replies and many make perfect sense. Instead of nerfing a carrier on it's PVE capabilities why don't you just decrease bounty payouts. Carriers are valuable assets to their owners and using them is highly risky and if you get caught in one ratting consider yourself dead 90% of the time. Now you are making them less valuable.
Good to see that CCP is going out of it's way lately to displease so many of us who have spent hundreds if not thousands over the years on memberships to play this game in which we have invested so many hours into. |
Ergum Motsu
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:50:19 -
[158] - Quote
And what happened to garnering player feedback to gauge ideas before implementing changes or is that a thing of the past? Telling people less than a week before said changes are going to happen smacks of poor customer relations. |
Total Newbie
Hogyoku Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:50:25 -
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Well Played CCP ! ! ! ! !
You have taken a war game and made it nearly impossible for any entity to deploy and have a good scrap. Hello Jump fatigue.
You forced entities into a sandbox in individual regions to play magical wands meet Harry Potter. Hello entosis!
You made the sandbox indestructible by allowing thousands of citadels that take a week to destroy. Hello Upwell.
You forced people to do nothing in the game but stay in their region ratting and mining to get some form of content.
And now you want to try to blame everything on Capital and Super Capital ratting?????????
The problem CCP is your utter lack of vision and your myopic view that left the part out, that this is a WAR GAME!
Well played indeed, politicians have nothing on you. You have garnered more control over a sinking ship, with the people who fund your venture literally finding another war game to play. |
Sassura
Sassy's Corporation
12
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:50:58 -
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aussieftw wrote:CCP you just making people angry, but this will not help. Your real problems are jump fatigue, fozziesov and skill injectors. Just think for few seconds about that, why you have too much isks in game and too many people with capital ships.
You forgot citadels. |
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aussieftw
Marvinovi pratele Circle-Of-Two
16
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:51:51 -
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Total Newbie wrote:Well Played CCP ! ! ! ! !
You have taken a war game and made it nearly impossible for any entity to deploy and have a good scrap. Hello Jump fatigue.
You forced entities into a sandbox in individual regions to play magical wands meet Harry Potter. Hello entosis!
You made the sandbox indestructible by allowing thousands of citadels that take a week to destroy. Hello Upwell.
You forced people to do nothing in the game but stay in their region ratting and mining to get some form of content.
And now you want to try to blame everything on Capital and Super Capital ratting?????????
The problem CCP is your utter lack of vision and your myopic view that left the part out, that this is a WAR GAME!
Well played indeed, politicians have nothing on you. You have garnered more control over a sinking ship, with the people who fund your venture literally finding another war game to play. Exactly. |
Mary Timeshift Jane
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:51:57 -
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Dear space friends,
Due to this upcoming fighter nerf, I'd like to share with you not often known or spoken ways of PVE null isk making. I wish you spread this message to all corners of Eveverse for everyone should no longer scramble for isk and live poor!
************************************************************************************** Step.1 - Make a new toon (if you don't have one) Step.2 - Upgrade it to Omega Step.3 - Buy 1 Injector (is enough) and skill up for either Vexor Navy Issue or Rattlesnake and required mods (use factions or DED, must be CAP stable!) Step.4 - Fly them into the advanced 7/10 or 8/10 sites, VNI will be speed tanking (orbiting an object - a wreck or can), Rattle can sit still. Step.5 - release drones and walk afk or do something else on your PC. Step.6 - come back after 30-45 minutes when site is done, warp to the next site and repeat from Step.4
This method is relatively safe, npcs of 7/10 and 8/10 will not break your tank and you do not risk Dreadnaught spawning on you while you're AFK. Ticks between 12-15mil, sit them in sites all day with minimum attendance and for maximum convenience!
For absolute AFKers (who don't attend their computers at all) - to prevent getting you killed by passers-by or gangs, have an active player in the system be your squad leader able to warp you off (cause that's what friends are for) should the danger be heading your way (do not mind lost drones). Because unlike us, Supercarrier ratters, who have to micromanage our supers, actively mash buttons of our keyboard and mouse every second we're out there ratting, you don't!
Collect over 250+mil each day per toon and enjoy - you are all soon to be billionaires! **************************************************************************************
I, sincerely, hope this message reaches as many capsuleers as possible, that you all become rich without having to play the game of preposterous nerfs against SUPERactive players and that you all will finally be able to afford all your dreams effortlessly.
Share this with every newbie and every Alpha, help your fellow capsuleers get into awesome ways of iskmaking in AFK VNIs and Rattles today and rip that monthly economic report that CCP can... whatever.
Enjoy. Peace out .\/
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Wilfred Motte
Shadow Proclamation 15
1
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:52:11 -
[163] - Quote
Exactly 2 weeks, to the day, after I dropped $200 to inject myself into a carrier, so that I could rat in NS, to make isk, to buy frigates to go shoot other people in frigates.
Well played, CCP. Well. Played. |
Linda Bradford Raschke
LBR Group
3
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:52:50 -
[164] - Quote
The Judge wrote:Not everyone will be happy with this change, but reducing NPC bounty payouts through a direct rebalance of carriers and supers is in the best interest of eve as a whole. Changing bounty payouts would hurt people ratting in every class of ship when carriers and supers are the main problem child. This is the best option I can see.
Keep up the great work.
BS. I think everyone here knows you only support this because the big bad supers kicked your sand castle over. |
Anthar Thebess
1701
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:54:03 -
[165] - Quote
Wilfred Motte wrote:Exactly 2 weeks, to the day, after I dropped $200 to inject myself into a carrier, so that I could rat in NS, to make isk, to buy frigates to go shoot other people in frigates.
Well played, CCP. Well. Played. Charge back
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Tiesto DJ
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:54:15 -
[166] - Quote
Chance Ambramotte wrote:This is not a balancing adjustment. This is part of several changes that all lead to one thing: A cash grab by CCP.
The PLEX has been split into the 500 units for 1 month new dynamic. The PLEX has also replaced AURUM. Training times are extensive and the only way to get some of these skills in a timely fashion is skill injectors or ghost train. Now we nerf the primary in game cash generators into irrelevance.
All this means is if you want to have an effective pilot, buy PLEX, if you want to have time to work, shower, live and still have progress in the game buy PLEX. And so on, slowly every problem is starting to have the same solution: buy PLEX.
Soon this game will be pay to win (Buy PLEX)
This is all part of the EA Games micro transaction cancer where fun, gameplay or entertainment are all trampled in the attempt to drain the wallets of the players as fast as possible.
For the record I have only on account, and no capitol ships and do not mine.
We will see if greed will continue to reign at CCP or if they want to continue to have a game business in the near future.
Here is a catch 22. In order to sell PLEX people need isk to buy PLEX. If they reduce ISK faucets, they reduce the isk being generated for PLEX and to this degree injectors.
Taking a dump on isk faucets and forgetting to flush will eventually stagnate the PLEX market as ISK will become tied to a few accounts. It will also reduce the amount of people buying them. |
Killah Bee
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
25
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:54:18 -
[167] - Quote
Suitonia wrote:Great changes
Yo Mr. Kestrel the cookies are to shut up when the cakes are talking okay ? Thanks |
Takashi X2
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:54:30 -
[168] - Quote
I tried to read most of the responses but one thing never came up. This change renders regular carriers unable to run dreads. I do feel like the carriers have a lot of dps and maybe needed to be scaled back a bit but not 20 percent. I think that is a little drastic. As of right now I barely have enough dps with t2 fighters to run a dread and i have to pull them back once sometimes twice to reload on missiles to do it. With 20% gone im not sure I can actually beat the reps anymore.
My suggestion is lower the amount of armor while upping the amount of hull. This will still make you need a significant amount of dps which the carrier can do in bursts without rendering them completely unable to. Supers will still be complete overkill like before so it doesnt make any difference there one way or another. |
addelee
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:54:47 -
[169] - Quote
So, rorq's get nerfed as they're an isk facet and now fighters. This will reduce the amount of isk ingame and also push prices of things up making plex suddenly an attractive option. I get why CCP are doing it, they want more money, but it'll push people away thus leading to them having less money.
I suspect, given a choice, CCP would leave us with 1 ship so it's a level playing field and they'd probably still have to rebalance that!
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Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords Kraftwerk.
92
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:54:52 -
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I find this rather unnessesary.
Carrier-Ratting was an efficient ratting-method for ppl with only a single character that at least let them compensate for their lack of multiboxing somewhat. (carrier-ratting is too much micromanagement to multibox, but very efficient with a single character)
Super-carrier-ratting is even forbidden in a lot of regions, because their alliances don't think its a good idea. And if you risk your permaclick 30bil isk slowpoke u better make some more isk than 2 navy vexors.
1. Carrier-Ratting is completly compensated by the inability to multibox 2. supercarrier-ratting is compensated by the inability to multibox and the risk of losing the ship
The only problem I see here is if your supercarrier is absolutely 100% safe because of your alliances backup, as that pushes supercarriers over the top. I think a better solution to this problem would be the following:
Prevent Supercarriers from fitting Cynos. This way if one gets attked the other 30 cant just jump to it, making it impossible to kill. That should be enough balance for super-ratting. Carrier-ratting is in a good place for reasons stated above.
About myself: I have a ratting-carrier but I don't use it, because its not efficient for me isk/h. I would like to rat in a super but it's not allowed in my region and god damn risky without backup. That means your proposed nerf will actually help me, as it nerfs income of my competitors but in no way nerfs multiboxing income like mining with 20 rorquals (:
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Lucian James
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
175
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:55:04 -
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Total Newbie wrote:Well Played CCP ! ! ! ! !
You have taken a war game and made it nearly impossible for any entity to deploy and have a good scrap. Hello Jump fatigue.
You forced entities into a sandbox in individual regions to play magical wands meet Harry Potter. Hello entosis!
You made the sandbox indestructible by allowing thousands of citadels that take a week to destroy. Hello Upwell.
You forced people to do nothing in the game but stay in their region ratting and mining to get some form of content.
And now you want to try to blame everything on Capital and Super Capital ratting?????????
The problem CCP is your utter lack of vision and your myopic view that left the part out, that this is a WAR GAME!
Well played indeed, politicians have nothing on you. You have garnered more control over a sinking ship, with the people who fund your venture literally finding another war game to play.
#CCPigs |
Pesadel0
Zonk Squad Badfellas Inc.
130
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:55:14 -
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So you nerfing carriers and supers ability to make money in PVE nuking them in PVP also , why not nerf the damage they do only to NPC?
I mean god forbid you actually ADD PVE content to nullsec , and i hope you nerf incursions and WH income . |
Cpt Makanen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:55:18 -
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There is a simple Solution for all These Problems...
Just fire all the eve devs and "Designers" we better call them destroyer. Reset the Servers and hire devs which Listen to the Little playerbase we got.
I hate to read all this we are the devs we def. Know what you want ****. If any of the devs would know it than we wouldnt See such changes right now. |
Ranik Sandaris
El Ultimo Hombre Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:55:44 -
[174] - Quote
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Dont those numbers over 5 years worry you CCP? |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
4096
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:56:24 -
[175] - Quote
Wilfred Motte wrote:Exactly 2 weeks, to the day, after I dropped $200 to inject myself into a carrier, so that I could rat in NS, to make isk, to buy frigates to go shoot other people in frigates.
Well played, CCP. Well. Played.
that sounds totally ********, you can now extract and get your isk back to buy a million frigates
Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel
Calm down miner.
As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they
would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
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Guillejejeje XDD
What The FAX
3
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:56:45 -
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why dont you nerf citadels? is ridiculous in all aspects |
Decres Estidal
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
8
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:57:49 -
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Cyclo Hexanol wrote:Why not just make fighters ineffective against NPC and player subcaps? Seems like that would solve both the problem of carriers being used to over farm anoms and them being dropped on roaming gangs and solo pilots just because they cant be countered by those gangs effectively.
Carriers are anti-subcap platforms, they do **** all do caps. And if you can't lock and kill that carriers fighters that is solo dropping you you have no right to complain after the last nerf they are poss easy to kill now they do 20% less damage. |
alex tow
Real One Corp Axiom Vocation Alliance
3
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:57:49 -
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It seems that a lot of player forgot how eve was 10 years ago...it's now really way too easy to buyt a capital ship/super cap....you can make 100/200/400m isk/h now where you had 90m with a carrier ratting in null years ago....but well, now it seems that people want to have easy farming....contrary to the rorqual....I think it's a good nerf. Make Capital ships CAPITAL again. |
Aria Blackmoon
Closer to the Clouds
0
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:58:49 -
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Killah Bee wrote:Suitonia wrote:Great changes Yo Mr. Kestrel the cookies are to shut up when the cakes are talking okay ? Thanks
I give Killah right |
Danny Woo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.06.09 11:59:04 -
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those nubmers are insane, so much wasted RL time and money and u do this? Give me one good reason to not end this while i can... |
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