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She11by
Big Boys Don't Cry Kids With Guns Alliance
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Posted - 2017.06.12 15:36:55 -
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So basically you are forcing people to WORK in EVE not PLAY it.
P.S. In pvp, carriers and motherships are already 100% useless to any ship with AB or low signature, and we are not even talking about 3-5 fragile downgraded drones that are called ' squads ' |
Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2017.06.12 15:41:06 -
[1772] - Quote
She11by wrote:So basically you are forcing people to WORK in EVE not PLAY it.
P.S. In pvp, carriers and motherships are already 100% useless to any ship with AB or low signature, and we are not even talking about 3-5 fragile downgraded drones that are called ' squads '
And buy more PLEX to supplement your income. |
Sam Khanid
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2017.06.12 15:43:33 -
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Linus is the biggest troll on this forum, I'd almost swear she's logging in alts to like her posts x2 everytime she does it - her prose reaks of vanity, and her logic is about as hollow as it gets. Nerfing fighters by 20% damage is a **** move, there are hundreds of posts from others in this threadchain echoing those thoughts, but CCP doesn't care and all our words are worth less than nothing to them. If you hate the changes, unsub for a month or two and hit them in the wallet--nothing else matters. |
Kortes Ellecon
INSePaRaBLeS Wings Wanderers
3
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Posted - 2017.06.12 15:45:23 -
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1800 replies under this thread ,but 0 response from ccp .The situation of players for now .Currently online: 24,732 Max (24h): 35,914 (2017-06-11 19:34
online: 65,303 (2013-05-05)
so its the result of your update strategy . its 3rd big fail from ccp after "epic fatigue update" which leads to killing game online if u will release this update online will be down under 20000 again .So think twice before releasing your "epic rebalance ideas" . |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3178
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Posted - 2017.06.12 15:50:26 -
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baltec1 wrote:
What they could do is make this change as a temporary fix and then move to make anoms unfarmable for supers by adding dreadnoughts that don't have a bounty that spawn if a capital is on grid. They then unerf carriers and supers.
That would be better.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1549
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Posted - 2017.06.12 15:50:50 -
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Sam Khanid wrote:Linus is the biggest troll on this forum, I'd almost swear she's logging in alts to like her posts x2 everytime she does it - her prose reaks of vanity, and her logic is about as hollow as it gets. Nerfing fighters by 20% damage is a **** move, there are hundreds of posts from others in this threadchain echoing those thoughts, but CCP doesn't care and all our words are worth less than nothing to them. If you hate the changes, unsub for a month or two and hit them in the wallet--nothing else matters. To put in the effort to like my own posts I'd have to give a **** about likes in the first place. I don't.
And just a tip. If you want to argue with me on a logical level, then use logic. Tears and illogical emotional made-up arguments don't qualify.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Beast of Revelations
Hedion University Amarr Empire
219
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Posted - 2017.06.12 15:51:36 -
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Sam Khanid wrote:If you hate the changes, unsub for a month or two and hit them in the wallet--nothing else matters.
Already done. |
Sam Khanid
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2017.06.12 15:52:42 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Sam Khanid wrote:Linus is the biggest troll on this forum, I'd almost swear she's logging in alts to like her posts x2 everytime she does it - her prose reaks of vanity, and her logic is about as hollow as it gets. Nerfing fighters by 20% damage is a **** move, there are hundreds of posts from others in this threadchain echoing those thoughts, but CCP doesn't care and all our words are worth less than nothing to them. If you hate the changes, unsub for a month or two and hit them in the wallet--nothing else matters. To put in the effort to like my own posts I'd have to give a **** about likes in the first place. I don't. And just a tip. If you want to argue with me on a logical level, then use logic. Tears and illogical emotional made-up arguments don't qualify.
Your logic equates to: agree with me or I'm going to insult your intelligence, you're hardly a person one can reason with--just an apologist defending the update. It's not like anyone reading your posts isn't going to be able to see through it, so I'll leave it at that. |
Analius Glover
The Fatal Visionaries Honorable Third Party
4
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:03:23 -
[1779] - Quote
Sam Khanid wrote:Linus is the biggest troll on this forum, I'd almost swear she's logging in alts to like her posts x2 everytime she does it - her prose reaks of vanity, and her logic is about as hollow as it gets. Nerfing fighters by 20% damage is a **** move, there are hundreds of posts from others in this threadchain echoing those thoughts, but CCP doesn't care and all our words are worth less than nothing to them. If you hate the changes, unsub for a month or two and hit them in the wallet--nothing else matters.
That's why he was kicked from BB. Just ignore that crying girl |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1549
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:05:55 -
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Sam Khanid wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Sam Khanid wrote:Linus is the biggest troll on this forum, I'd almost swear she's logging in alts to like her posts x2 everytime she does it - her prose reaks of vanity, and her logic is about as hollow as it gets. Nerfing fighters by 20% damage is a **** move, there are hundreds of posts from others in this threadchain echoing those thoughts, but CCP doesn't care and all our words are worth less than nothing to them. If you hate the changes, unsub for a month or two and hit them in the wallet--nothing else matters. To put in the effort to like my own posts I'd have to give a **** about likes in the first place. I don't. And just a tip. If you want to argue with me on a logical level, then use logic. Tears and illogical emotional made-up arguments don't qualify. Your logic equates to: agree with me or I'm going to insult your intelligence, you're hardly a person one can reason with--just an apologist defending the update. It's not like anyone reading your posts isn't going to be able to see through it, so I'll leave it at that. If someone wants an intelligent response, he has to emit intelligence first to show he is worthy of it. Crying about a change that is badly needed isn't emitting intelligence, it's emitting entitled whining. If you don't think this change is needed, then get your head out of your ass and look at the economy. Think about how it works and what pumping massive amounts of ISK into it results in. If you fail to figure out basic economics, then you shouldn't comment on economics in the first place.
Construct a logical argument that's not falling apart the moment someone with half a brain dares look at it the wrong way and you get a response in kind.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1549
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:10:16 -
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Analius Glover wrote:Sam Khanid wrote:Linus is the biggest troll on this forum, I'd almost swear she's logging in alts to like her posts x2 everytime she does it - her prose reaks of vanity, and her logic is about as hollow as it gets. Nerfing fighters by 20% damage is a **** move, there are hundreds of posts from others in this threadchain echoing those thoughts, but CCP doesn't care and all our words are worth less than nothing to them. If you hate the changes, unsub for a month or two and hit them in the wallet--nothing else matters. That's why he was kicked from BB. Just ignore that crying girl Just who are you again? Since I have no clue who you are, your information about the reasons why I was "kicked" are nothing but hear-say. Let's just say that 2 days after I left, the people responsible committed a real-life felony and are legally being investigated.
If you care about the truth instead of spoon-fed lies, then drop me a mail and I'll educate you.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Sam Khanid
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:11:06 -
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Analius Glover wrote:Sam Khanid wrote:Linus is the biggest troll on this forum, I'd almost swear she's logging in alts to like her posts x2 everytime she does it - her prose reaks of vanity, and her logic is about as hollow as it gets. Nerfing fighters by 20% damage is a **** move, there are hundreds of posts from others in this threadchain echoing those thoughts, but CCP doesn't care and all our words are worth less than nothing to them. If you hate the changes, unsub for a month or two and hit them in the wallet--nothing else matters. That's why he was kicked from BB. Just ignore that crying girl
Exactly. The "hide posts" option was created for a reason, lol. I had hoped CCP would reconsider these changes, but they seem intent on them regardless. Too bad, but Goons will survive and thrive :D |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1554
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:16:17 -
[1783] - Quote
Sam Khanid wrote:Analius Glover wrote:Sam Khanid wrote:Linus is the biggest troll on this forum, I'd almost swear she's logging in alts to like her posts x2 everytime she does it - her prose reaks of vanity, and her logic is about as hollow as it gets. Nerfing fighters by 20% damage is a **** move, there are hundreds of posts from others in this threadchain echoing those thoughts, but CCP doesn't care and all our words are worth less than nothing to them. If you hate the changes, unsub for a month or two and hit them in the wallet--nothing else matters. That's why he was kicked from BB. Just ignore that crying girl Exactly. The "hide posts" option was created for a reason, lol. I had hoped CCP would reconsider these changes, but they seem intent on them regardless. Too bad, but Goons will survive and thrive :D So, I challenge you to use that underdeveloped brain of yours and to no surprise your response is this.
Not surprised. Not at all.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Banshee Clarity
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:24:34 -
[1784] - Quote
Looks like I'm going outside this summer.
Get bent CCP. |
Darkligh 81
RaTaX Home Defense Union
0
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:31:22 -
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Ok so I see the nerf is going live in the patch notes. but i figured I would post anyway just incase CCP wakes up and sees there is a far simpler solution.
The most logical solution I have found is pretty simple and does not need to nerf the carriers, thus wasting a lot of SP and ISK on skill books. Especially for those who did it without injectors. those who used injectors can just as easily do it for the next 'Big Shiny' that becomes the top dog of anomalies.
So to my point-
Same as jump fatigue. The longer you rat the more of a penalty you incur and then start to suffer a negative penalty to fighter damage and also possibly to resists. get over a certain limit and your carrier becomes useless in combat as you have worm yourself out. and have to rest until you can effectively use your carrier again.
This does 2 things.
Allows casual players to still enjoy their toy.
Clamps down heavily on those utilising carriers to "Milk ISK" thus limiting the increase in money supply "from carriers" we are seeing.
My last 0.2 isk worth on the subject.
Ohh, I forgot: Thanks CCP for all the replies you gave. Shows your interest in your customers. |
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CCP Larrikin
C C P C C P Alliance
798
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:39:27 -
[1786] - Quote
Original Post updated
Game Designer | Team Phenomenon | https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
646
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:44:30 -
[1787] - Quote
CCP Larrikin wrote:Original Post updated
thanks for the update and changes. i hope you guys are ready for a roll back if everything goes to shite
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Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:47:07 -
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"We are working on changes to Anomalies that will reduce the effectiveness of Carriers and Supercarriers. These changes will be announced at a later date."
Good luck with that |
Random Freak
Fearless Tiger. Tactical Narcotics Team
6
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:49:02 -
[1789] - Quote
Darkligh 81 wrote:Ok so I see the nerf is going live in the patch notes. but i figured I would post anyway just incase CCP wakes up and sees there is a far simpler solution.
The most logical solution I have found is pretty simple and does not need to nerf the carriers, thus wasting a lot of SP and ISK on skill books. Especially for those who did it without injectors. those who used injectors can just as easily do it for the next 'Big Shiny' that becomes the top dog of anomalies.
So to my point-
Same as jump fatigue. The longer you rat the more of a penalty you incur and then start to suffer a negative penalty to fighter damage and also possibly to resists. get over a certain limit and your carrier becomes useless in combat as you have worm yourself out. and have to rest until you can effectively use your carrier again.
This does 2 things.
Allows casual players to still enjoy their toy.
Clamps down heavily on those utilising carriers to "Milk ISK" thus limiting the increase in money supply "from carriers" we are seeing.
My last 0.2 isk worth on the subject.
Ohh, I forgot: Thanks CCP for all the replies you gave. Shows your interest in your customers.
If I may expand on that idea a bit.
Since the bounty isk comes from CONCORD, let's give them a limited pool of isk to draw bounties from.
The total pool being the maximum amount of isk ccp wants in the system per day, week, month, whatever. Divide the total over all players. Each player reaching the bounty cap will get a decreased or no payout (insert balancing here). At the end of the bounty period, untouched bounty pools can be split up from inactive towards active players. CCP can decide what the total pool is, active players are limited in generating isk, casuals (such as me) get to keep enjoying full payouts, people who don't do anything concerning bounties will be unaffected, pvp will be unaffected, missionrunners will be unaffected and it would make sense lore wise for CONCORD to have limited money available. And if you need more isk in the system, just tweak the numbers a bit or raise the total pool.
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Banshee Clarity
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:51:37 -
[1790] - Quote
CCP Larrikin wrote:Original Post updated
Thank you for the clarification.
I really appreciate the clarification of "[No Change]"
Sunscreen is expensive
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Sassura
Sassy's Corporation
28
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:53:37 -
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Thank you for updating us.
I'd like to ask why is it that reddit users get a decent response from CCP Falcon which contains some additional information than the facts that you shared, whereas those who avoid that cesspool of idiots and use the actual game forums do not get that courtesy? |
Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:53:53 -
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"Just under half (46.5%) of the bounties earned during the time period was generated by Supercarriers and Carriers, meaning a small percent of the population received a huge portion of the total bounties."
You should of thought of capital proliferation when your were implementing skill injectors. Oh wait you did, you hired the EA marketing team. |
Stunt
Anime Masters
3
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:56:42 -
[1793] - Quote
This still does not address the core issue of pve being safe and lack of content mechanics. |
Antony Ottig
Fractal Industries Shadow of xXDEATHXx
6
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:57:33 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Original Post updated classic scheme. 1. announce a ridiculously big nerf. 2. Everyone cry like a babies and curse the devs. 3. Then DO MAKE that nerf but a less powerful nerf then was first announced. 4. Everyone praise the devs for their greatness. and happy like never before. 5. Nerf successfully deployed like it was indented in the first place. |
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
999
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Posted - 2017.06.12 16:58:01 -
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Still screwing over PvP for a PvE problem. Totally uncool and content killing. |
Minerva Arbosa
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
27
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Posted - 2017.06.12 17:00:46 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/71813/1/GermanFlag33.png[/img] [img]http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/FLAG_-_RUSSIAN-33.png[/img]UPDATE 2017-07-12: Reduced the damage reduction to fighters. Added supporting data. Greetings Capsuleers, Coming tomorrow in the June 2017 release, the damage output of Fighters will see a reduction by the game design team. After a long weekend sifting through some passionate feedback and taking into consideration previously ongoing design work, letGÇÖs take a look at whatGÇÖs coming. The Data:LetGÇÖs set the stage for the decision by taking sample of 5 days in June. During that timeframe 10.6 Trillion ISK was rewarded in bounties. Of that: - 22.3% (2.3T) of the ISK was generated by 1.4% of characters earning bounties, using Supercarriers
- 24.2% (2.6%) of the ISK was generated by 4.8% of characters earning bounties, using Carriers
- 19.1% (2T) of the ISK was generated by 16.6% of characters earning bounties, using T1 Cruisers
Just under half (46.5%) of the bounties earned during the time period was generated by Supercarriers and Carriers, meaning a small percent of the population received a huge portion of the total bounties. Why:Our primary goal for this change is reducing the combat power of Carriers & Supercarriersin PvE, specifically anomaly ratting in Nullsec. As you may have seen in the May Monthly Economy Report, there is a significant upward trend in the Money Supply. This is due to NPC Bounties. [img]http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/MER/May_2017/9b_isk.float.3.jpg[/img]This trend is unsustainable. Having such a large ISK faucet is bad for the economy, and this ISK faucet is concentrated to a relatively small number of players. Our secondary goal is that Carriers and Supercarriers are too effective in PvP, even for the investment it takes to create them. This change will shift the PvP balance, but weGÇÖre confident that Carriers and Supercarriers will remain powerful options for PvP battles. What:- Light Fighters (Space Superiority): No Change
- Light Fighters (Attack): 10% reduction to Basic Attack and Heavy Rocket Salvo damage (was 20%)
- Support Fighters: No Change
- Heavy Fighters (Heavy Attack): No Change (was 10% reduction to Basic Attack and Torpedo Salvo damage)
- Heavy Fighters (Long Range Attack): 20% reduction to Basic Attack damage (was 30%)
- Heavy Fighters (Shadow): No Change
- NPC Fighter Aggression: No Change (was +15%)
- We are working on changes to Anomalies that will reduce the effectiveness of Carriers and Supercarriers. These changes will be announced at a later date.
We will continue to observe the economy after these changes and will make adjustments as necessary to keep it healthy for all our players. Some of you have asked 'Why not just reduce the bounties?'. The focus of this change is Supercarriers and Carriers. We don't want to effect the income of ships besides those with this change.
Stop needing Citafels.
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Resnar Deathnar
BLACK SQUADRON. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.06.12 17:00:54 -
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That's very nice thanks CCP to listen us, even if I still have a bit of concern, why nerfing Super ratting ? Those ship cost a lot, need a big intel to keep it safe, everyone look to kill them, need a very long time to train (T2 fighter/nice shield/armor skill etc to be effective). Those ship are the end game of eve, all my eve life I want to have one, and even If i have one now, i feel like pushing 100mil tick (and it ask a lot of APM) is not enough. If a war explode, you can't use your ratting super if you are hit by the war, as a goon, I can tell you, we rat in super because there is nothing else to do, if you realy want to nerf super ratting/rorq mining, you should look at adding isk sink like a war, the best exemple for that was goons deployement in catch, during this period of time no one had time to rat/mine, super was deploy for the war and rorq was not safe to use (hi 5 min siege). Anyway, I hope you will look further, sorry for my bad english, not native english speaker. |
Sassura
Sassy's Corporation
31
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Posted - 2017.06.12 17:01:26 -
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Thead Enco wrote:"Just under half (46.5%) of the bounties earned during the time period was generated by Supercarriers and Carriers, meaning a small percent of the population received a huge portion of the total bounties."
You should of thought of capital proliferation when your were implementing skill injectors. Oh wait you did, you hired the EA marketing team.
Indeed and when you look at the actual figures that carriers and supers make ratting, it's not really all that crazy considering the isk and skill requirements. Also, a huge number of the subcap numbers will be people multiboxing and that should be taken into account.
Skill injectors and overpowered rorquals mining up a storm and building cheap capitals and supers made this all possible. Perhaps the skill injectors need a nerf too, so that they do not work on actual capital ship skills, just all the prereqs. They continue to help the newer players as intended by slow down the all to easy progression to top tier ships. Or would that hurt the revenue too much? |
Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
303
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Posted - 2017.06.12 17:01:32 -
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Stunt wrote:This still does not address the core issue of pve being safe and lack of content mechanics. Safe in Delve?
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Creeda Vain
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2017.06.12 17:01:34 -
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nerf nerf nerf nerf always nerf for the old player that look for fun with expensive ship.
why would I stay in the game to play only frigate to have fun?
If other people want to make more money go farm with super if they don't have balls .... it's not our fault.
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